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Hi guys,
I'm working in a research lab now, full time. I graduated (BS) last may, and have been working here since. I plan to continue doing research till Fall 2004, when I plan to go to medschool.
Shortly speaking, my PI want me to find a new lab now.
I had several job positions in the spring (about 5 or six in chicago area, where i am: northwestern, U Chicago). I put a lot of thought into selecting which would be best for me, considering everything (topic, how many papers this lab publishes.. which leads to likely hood of my getting published, type of work, lab size, contact with PI). So, i considered this the best lab, but it was borderline, several of the other labs would have been good too. Apparently he considered me a good candidate (i'm sure my recs were strong, and i had a lot of good research experience and publication an undergrad).
he rotated me through the different projects: imaging, behavioral stuff, and EEG stuff. I was mainly interested in doing the EEG things, since i came and still now. But, they just started a few weeks ago, and I hadn't really seen them much. Our first imaging project didn't go good, and we couldn't yet get data.
But, his main problem is that I'm apparently don't show enough interest in projects. it seems like i'm not passionate enough about it, and I don't take control of projects. In my perspective, I'm not used to having an entire project of my own dumped on me, and sometimes the guidance isn't that much over here. There are plenty of resources... a radiologist we can consult if they're are technical difficulties with the MRI machine, engineers who designed some of our equipment (to give heat, cold, vibrations, etc),etc. But, we're on our own in terms of designing the experiments etc. ANd, he's expecting i'm to be coming up with my own ideas and own experiments.
In terms of the EEG stuff, I was involved for one week. Than the PI told me I should focus on finishing the behavioral stuff (which is extraordinarily simple and routine), and look for another position. So, i became less involved. A week later talking with another PI im my lab (we have two PIs, who are at basically an equal level), I said I was still interested in the EEG and hadn't seen much of it. They apparently me expected me to object to working with behavioral stuff, and stay also involved with EEG and take charge of it, if that was my interest.
I'm guessing he's used to working with people of much higher level than I am (MDs, post-docs, and up). Another person in our lab (who is a little above me, just finished her MS in psych, but no prev research exp) says she had similar criticisms, and similar problems: Was totally lost what to be doing her first project, often told she isn't curious enough.
BTW, my prof thinks it's the topics that just don't interest me. I think, the same topics, I could have done better. Natuarally, there are some more interesting topics, but i'm not totally bored with this. I don't see a big problem, and won't mind staying in this lab. I am interested in the topics, but not overly excited about them. It's very NOT in my nature to go around asking everyone about everything, but I try.
soo..
you think it is common for people to expect this level of independence of someone at my level ?
What sort of questions will come up as I approach the next professor, w.r.t the fact that I am changing the lab? How negative will it be looked on? These will be profs in teh same department, likely. My current prof said he wont say anything negative, but obviously they will know. Several of those that I contact will be those I contacted before accepting with the current prof.
How will it look, in general, in the future, that I switched? How common is this?
Anything I should say, or avoid saying?
Any suggestions for me, about research, in general?
Here is the situation with a new prof I am considering...
I talked with him before going with this prof. He would have been delighted to take me in. He would like me to start up a brand new modeling project. He is studying biopysics/molecular and mechanisms of Ion channels (dopamine and serotonin modulation). I expressed that I was interested in the biophysics, and electrophys stuff, and he got excited about starting up this modeling idea he has (this prof has a BA in psych and PhD in Math, or something like that). Now, in this lab there will be post docs to teach me electrophys techniques and all, but I'll still be alone in terms of the experiments, i guess. I expressed this concern in my interview with him (this was before I took the position with the curr prof). And, he assured me, there isn't too much to modeling.. just a few differential eqns. but, the whole thing of my being on my own, i'm not sure of... especially after what happened here. I most definetly do NOT want to run into the same problem I did here. but, if it's something I can learn in the right atmosphere, i'm up for a challenge. I'm sure everything of this lab (where i'd do modeling) is else good. Maybe, i could just start with his existing project (study ion channels in addiction, or depress, etc), and become more familiar with stuff, and then do the modeling. He is excited about modeling, but I think he'd still let me do what follows my interest.
any particular questions i'll ask him? (I'll interview with him again, and tell him my current situation). Do you think i'm running into another trap?
Thank you for any suggestions, and sorry for an incredible lengthy post.
Sonya
I'm working in a research lab now, full time. I graduated (BS) last may, and have been working here since. I plan to continue doing research till Fall 2004, when I plan to go to medschool.
Shortly speaking, my PI want me to find a new lab now.
I had several job positions in the spring (about 5 or six in chicago area, where i am: northwestern, U Chicago). I put a lot of thought into selecting which would be best for me, considering everything (topic, how many papers this lab publishes.. which leads to likely hood of my getting published, type of work, lab size, contact with PI). So, i considered this the best lab, but it was borderline, several of the other labs would have been good too. Apparently he considered me a good candidate (i'm sure my recs were strong, and i had a lot of good research experience and publication an undergrad).
he rotated me through the different projects: imaging, behavioral stuff, and EEG stuff. I was mainly interested in doing the EEG things, since i came and still now. But, they just started a few weeks ago, and I hadn't really seen them much. Our first imaging project didn't go good, and we couldn't yet get data.
But, his main problem is that I'm apparently don't show enough interest in projects. it seems like i'm not passionate enough about it, and I don't take control of projects. In my perspective, I'm not used to having an entire project of my own dumped on me, and sometimes the guidance isn't that much over here. There are plenty of resources... a radiologist we can consult if they're are technical difficulties with the MRI machine, engineers who designed some of our equipment (to give heat, cold, vibrations, etc),etc. But, we're on our own in terms of designing the experiments etc. ANd, he's expecting i'm to be coming up with my own ideas and own experiments.
In terms of the EEG stuff, I was involved for one week. Than the PI told me I should focus on finishing the behavioral stuff (which is extraordinarily simple and routine), and look for another position. So, i became less involved. A week later talking with another PI im my lab (we have two PIs, who are at basically an equal level), I said I was still interested in the EEG and hadn't seen much of it. They apparently me expected me to object to working with behavioral stuff, and stay also involved with EEG and take charge of it, if that was my interest.
I'm guessing he's used to working with people of much higher level than I am (MDs, post-docs, and up). Another person in our lab (who is a little above me, just finished her MS in psych, but no prev research exp) says she had similar criticisms, and similar problems: Was totally lost what to be doing her first project, often told she isn't curious enough.
BTW, my prof thinks it's the topics that just don't interest me. I think, the same topics, I could have done better. Natuarally, there are some more interesting topics, but i'm not totally bored with this. I don't see a big problem, and won't mind staying in this lab. I am interested in the topics, but not overly excited about them. It's very NOT in my nature to go around asking everyone about everything, but I try.
soo..
you think it is common for people to expect this level of independence of someone at my level ?
What sort of questions will come up as I approach the next professor, w.r.t the fact that I am changing the lab? How negative will it be looked on? These will be profs in teh same department, likely. My current prof said he wont say anything negative, but obviously they will know. Several of those that I contact will be those I contacted before accepting with the current prof.
How will it look, in general, in the future, that I switched? How common is this?
Anything I should say, or avoid saying?
Any suggestions for me, about research, in general?
Here is the situation with a new prof I am considering...
I talked with him before going with this prof. He would have been delighted to take me in. He would like me to start up a brand new modeling project. He is studying biopysics/molecular and mechanisms of Ion channels (dopamine and serotonin modulation). I expressed that I was interested in the biophysics, and electrophys stuff, and he got excited about starting up this modeling idea he has (this prof has a BA in psych and PhD in Math, or something like that). Now, in this lab there will be post docs to teach me electrophys techniques and all, but I'll still be alone in terms of the experiments, i guess. I expressed this concern in my interview with him (this was before I took the position with the curr prof). And, he assured me, there isn't too much to modeling.. just a few differential eqns. but, the whole thing of my being on my own, i'm not sure of... especially after what happened here. I most definetly do NOT want to run into the same problem I did here. but, if it's something I can learn in the right atmosphere, i'm up for a challenge. I'm sure everything of this lab (where i'd do modeling) is else good. Maybe, i could just start with his existing project (study ion channels in addiction, or depress, etc), and become more familiar with stuff, and then do the modeling. He is excited about modeling, but I think he'd still let me do what follows my interest.
any particular questions i'll ask him? (I'll interview with him again, and tell him my current situation). Do you think i'm running into another trap?
Thank you for any suggestions, and sorry for an incredible lengthy post.
Sonya