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Those who are getting laptops, what are you guys considering? Although a Windows guy I've actually been considering getting a macbook pro or air but just saw Dell's new xps 13 and it looks amazing...
 
A lot of schools have specifications so you may have to get a PC instead of an apple. I however went apple and can never go back 😉
 
LECOM doesn't have that requirement, which is why the decision is so much more unsure for me haha >.<
 

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Honestly any modern laptop should work, even a $250 laptop will have 4Gb of ram and a dual processor. That is more than enough for any application they may need you to run. As for Mac vs PC, all new Macs have an intel processor and you can dual boot into windows. Just buy the one that you like.
 
Pretty much anything that matches your school's spec requirements will do.

I personally am using a Surface Pro 3. Can't beat the portability and note-taking capabilities. It's not for everyone though. It's expensive and will most likely be outdated in a couple of months when Surface Pro 4 comes out. But this will be the case with all kinds of emerging technology.

I just like handwriting my notes on the powerpoint slides but dont want to lug around 500 pages of powerpoint slides.

I will also have my powerhouse of a desktop in my apartment to process everything else. I just can't imagine a world where I have to do all my work off of an underpowered laptop and only 1 screen. Once you go trio screens, you don't ever go back.
 
I just can't imagine a world where I have to do all my work off of an underpowered laptop and only 1 screen. Once you go trio screens, you don't ever go back.

This. The multi-screen method, even if it is laptop + external monitor, was a game changer for me.
 
If you're not going the tablet route

A MacBook Air would be a dream! ~12hours of battery life :O
 
MacBook Pro. It's SO much faster than any windows program. There's going to be a lot of things that frustrate you in school the next couple years, don't let your laptop be one of those things 🙂
 
MacBook Pro. It's SO much faster than any windows program. There's going to be a lot of things that frustrate you in school the next couple years, don't let your laptop be one of those things 🙂

MBP is not a program lol.

He's not completely wrong though. I'd suggest a MB or iPad for anyone who is less than tech savvy. Better to have a store dedicated to fixing your machine rather than losing your notes.

I'd get one too if Apple had come out with something that can take good handwritten notes on powerpoints. But it would be kind of hard to service.
 
The majority of my class uses a MBP/MBA, minority uses Windows laptops/ultrabooks and I've seen a couple use tablets/iPads.

Go with whatever you are comfortable with, you really don't need much to run everything you use in dental school...
 
Those who are getting laptops, what are you guys considering? Although a Windows guy I've actually been considering getting a macbook pro or air but just saw Dell's new xps 13 and it looks amazing...
Get the cheapest one.

If it can run Microsoft Office and a web browser, then that should be more than enough for dental school.
 
I will absolutely be getting a Surface Pro 4 when it releases for dental school. There are very little options for such a portable full computer tablet WITH active pen support. I've used the Surface RT line for undergrad the past 3 years and have not been disappointed. I've kept my books on there and OneNote was a godsend for organizing my life. I'm an absolute mess with paper copies I get.

For me, I have already established a pretty efficient workflow with the Surface line, it will simply be enhanced with the addition of more screen space and active pen support from the Pro version. Also, I'll be probably be getting the docking station so I can simply throw it on there and use a big screen for extra work (and a full keyboard). These are things that I know will enhance my education and make learning efficient for me.

Both of the choices you are looking at are great. The new XPS is damn sexy. The small bezel profile is astonishing, and the battery life they claim is pretty fantastic as well. You'll save a lot of money if you get the non-touch version.

Macs are damn reliable from what I know. My best friend still has his Mac from 2006. Its definitely showing signs of aging but he just replaced his hard drive a year ago and its still going strong (granted he doesn't take it out of his room much).

Overall I would say this: think about your own personal use. Are you planning on taking physical notes on paper? Will you most likely just be using your computer to browse powerpoint slides? Do you want your PC to be mobile or will it sit at home most of the time? Go to a Mac store, go to a Microsoft store if you have one near you, and mess around with the hardware for a while.

I'm a big time windows/microsoft fan but I grew up messing and tinkering with computers and I love the control you get from the OS. My buddy (Mac guy) is pretty bad with anything technology related, and the Mac OS has served him very well. Its simplified and intuitive, and the build quality of Macs is (often without argument) the best. And of course with a mac you can dual boot if you want both OSes.

It's not an easy choice either way, but do your research and do some inner reflection on what you will need from a computer in dental school.
 
I'm going to humble myself in this thread and beg for help while I show my ignorance about new tech. Please bare with me and help if you can because it has been giving me an irrational amount of stress.
Right now I plan on getting a tablet and a new laptop for dental school because it's easiest for me to handwrite on slides (and don't want to have to lug around a giant notebook like I did all through undergrad) and I need something to have at home that's easy and quick to type on (a laptop). I'd love to have a desktop but I don't think I'll have the space for a comfortable setup in my apartment. Also I've been trying to use the winter break to learn about tech and what all the specs mean but it's just not meshing together well and I don't know what is actually "needed" for what I want to do and I don't trust consulting sales people.
My wants/priorities:
1)Something that will last all 4 years in a good state. I got my current Dell at the beginning of undergrad and it has a plastic frame that is now held together by duct tape and frequently overheats. I'll admit I'm not the gentlest on it but most of the cracks came from transporting it in my bag to classes freshmen year which wasn't worth the effort in hindsight. I've heard Macs are best for this so I'm leaning towards them but I have almost no experience on apple equipment aside from my Ipod (and Itunes is terrible lol).
2) Easy connectivity between tablet and laptop. This is where my ignorance really starts to show through, so I apologize. I think it'll be important that I can get stuff from my laptop onto my tablet (and vice versa) easily, I'm guessing cloud storage is the way to do this but I'm worried about differences in file types, say if I'm opening a word document on a windows that I started on my Ipad. I'm pretty sure there used to be an incompatibility with the file types but I'm not sure if there is anymore.
3)Best notetaking programs/ programs for dental school. I think Ipads have a special app that seems popular which isn't available for google/windows tablets. If someone can confirm or explain this it would be appreciated!
4)I'd like to be able to play Minecraft without terrible lag or overheating which I currently experience. This question is really asking more for what type of specs I would realistically need to do this. Do I really need a high end laptop for this? I'd say my current is/was middle of the road (around $700 at time of purchase) and it can only do 20-30 minutes before overheating.

Where I'm at right now: I'm leaning towards a Mac laptop because everybody says they are super durable but I'm really put off by the price of Ipads when there seem to be comparable tablets for much cheaper- but I'm a little hesitant because of the possible compatibility issues. If I go the Mac route should I do Air or Pro? If I go PC what are the best brands + models for somebody with needs like mine? Also with tablets, if I don't go Ipad is there any next-best contender, a lot of them seem fairly similar but I'm most interested in the Galaxy at the moment personally. I know I asked a lot, feel free to PM any suggestions if you'd rather do that than clog up the thread. Thanks!
 
Jophiel, you asked many questions that I also have about getting a laptop/tablet! If people PM about connectivity between PC tablet/mac laptop, please PM me as well! Thanks!
 
Seems like nobody is really pulling for Windows here, so I'll go for it:

Macs are really great laptops, with great support from Apple (so even if they break, you have good coverage) and they're pretty intuitive. Their "intuitive" nature probably isn't very useful for those of us who grew up using Windows anyways, which I bet is 95% of you.

The problem is, they're just very expensive and, unless you get a good deal, you're probably not getting your money's worth. I'm seeing MacBook pros ranging from $1100-$2500, with an average one around $1900. The problem is, when comparing to a Windows machine with comparable specs to the $1900 Macbooks, you're only paying around $400-$800. That means you're paying over twice the amount for a Macbook. Even if your Windows machine lasts half as long (in all likelihood, it'll last longer), it's still a better choice from consumer standpoint to buy that Windows machine. Plus, given the way technology works, you're going to want to update your laptop more often anyways because your laptop will be outdated in 4 years time.

Macs are great computers and you can trust the Apple brand to give you a great machine. But if you want to save money and you're not using your computer for very specific, Mac-related purposes (which you almost definitely aren't if you're going to dental schools), it's cheaper to just get a Windows machine that will in all likelihood have better specs than your potential MacBook.

As far as the guy who asked if Minecraft will run on his machine, any current machine will do it. It sounds like your current laptop is overheating because there's a problem with the CPU fan (or just a lot of dust in it). Anything worth over $400 should run Minecraft.
 
I'm going to humble myself in this thread and beg for help while I show my ignorance about new tech. Please bare with me and help if you can because it has been giving me an irrational amount of stress.
Right now I plan on getting a tablet and a new laptop for dental school because it's easiest for me to handwrite on slides (and don't want to have to lug around a giant notebook like I did all through undergrad) and I need something to have at home that's easy and quick to type on (a laptop). I'd love to have a desktop but I don't think I'll have the space for a comfortable setup in my apartment. Also I've been trying to use the winter break to learn about tech and what all the specs mean but it's just not meshing together well and I don't know what is actually "needed" for what I want to do and I don't trust consulting sales people.
My wants/priorities:
1)Something that will last all 4 years in a good state. I got my current Dell at the beginning of undergrad and it has a plastic frame that is now held together by duct tape and frequently overheats. I'll admit I'm not the gentlest on it but most of the cracks came from transporting it in my bag to classes freshmen year which wasn't worth the effort in hindsight. I've heard Macs are best for this so I'm leaning towards them but I have almost no experience on apple equipment aside from my Ipod (and Itunes is terrible lol).
2) Easy connectivity between tablet and laptop. This is where my ignorance really starts to show through, so I apologize. I think it'll be important that I can get stuff from my laptop onto my tablet (and vice versa) easily, I'm guessing cloud storage is the way to do this but I'm worried about differences in file types, say if I'm opening a word document on a windows that I started on my Ipad. I'm pretty sure there used to be an incompatibility with the file types but I'm not sure if there is anymore.
3)Best notetaking programs/ programs for dental school. I think Ipads have a special app that seems popular which isn't available for google/windows tablets. If someone can confirm or explain this it would be appreciated!
4)I'd like to be able to play Minecraft without terrible lag or overheating which I currently experience. This question is really asking more for what type of specs I would realistically need to do this. Do I really need a high end laptop for this? I'd say my current is/was middle of the road (around $700 at time of purchase) and it can only do 20-30 minutes before overheating.

Where I'm at right now: I'm leaning towards a Mac laptop because everybody says they are super durable but I'm really put off by the price of Ipads when there seem to be comparable tablets for much cheaper- but I'm a little hesitant because of the possible compatibility issues. If I go the Mac route should I do Air or Pro? If I go PC what are the best brands + models for somebody with needs like mine? Also with tablets, if I don't go Ipad is there any next-best contender, a lot of them seem fairly similar but I'm most interested in the Galaxy at the moment personally. I know I asked a lot, feel free to PM any suggestions if you'd rather do that than clog up the thread. Thanks!

Jophiel, you asked many questions that I also have about getting a laptop/tablet! If people PM about connectivity between PC tablet/mac laptop, please PM me as well! Thanks!

You're right, never trust sales. Their job is to sell you a product whether it be a car, computer, fridge. Im gonna try to help ya out.

First of all, Im sorry to say that regular windows laptops are not going to be cutting it out for you. It will end up giving you more frustration than benefit. So you may have to go with the more expensive option of Apple laptops. BUT if you manage to become sufficient in fixing minor problems, you may have a chance with a windows desktop and saving you heaps of $$$.

And dont you dare bash on iTunes. As much as I do not like Apple computers and laptops (way overpriced), their music department is amazing.

What you are looking for is almost exactly what I am also looking for notetaking in Dental School. Handwriting notes on powerpoint slides and have a more powerful machine to process everything else: media, entertainment, documents, etc.

iPads will most likely be able to handle any in-class work such as note-taking, powerpoint slide viewing, event planning. But in the end, it is only a tablet and is limited as such. Which means your multi-tasking won't be as quick as on a laptop and limited to only app. Which aren't bad as the App Store have millions of apps. As good as they are, they will never be as good when putting it on the same task as a full program. Unfortunately, there is almost no tablet out there that are good at handwritten notetaking. The App Store has something for the iPad but it is horrible. Yale Med gives out similar iPads with keyboards (along with the pen) to all of its students and my friend still types all of his notes. He used it once and never used the handwritten option again. But for all intends and purposes of Dental School, it is perfectly fine (I'd still check with your school though). In my opinion though, as of pure tablets. iPads win out in the end. Your next best bet is Windows Surface Pro 3 or 4. It is very pricey, but it combines the power of a laptop in the form of a tablet. And its pen writing technology is miles ahead of any laptop/tablet in its class. It uses the same technology (N-trig) as some comic book artists use. I have one and it is perfect for my purpose.

No matter what you pick for a laptop, Mac or Windows, MS Word will be compatible with MS Word. There is also a method you can access iCloud from a PC. So it is flexible there.

In conclusion, if you are looking for a laptop, go with MacBook Pro. Never Windows Laptops, I hate them with a passion and if I hate them, you wouldnt stand a chance. But otherwise, I highly suggest looking into a windows desktop. For $700, it would be more powerful than any Apple Laptops if you're smart about it (I can actually help you out when you are picking one out). And you can just stick to your iPad for portability. There would not be any overheating issues. And yes, it will play Minecraft flawlessly. Brands usually don't matter unless it's a Dell. Your other option is to go for a Surface Pro 3 or 4. Mind you, it is like a tablet with the power of a laptop so it is quite unserviceable on your own, just as bad as trying to open up an iPad, meaning you'll have to send it back to OEM for repairs. While I am not use to that, many Apple users have no problem sending products back. The Surface Pro 3 is quite pricey, starting at $799 plus a $123 keyboard (if you want to use the tablet as a laptop, though it is a VERY good keyboard).

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about what I said. I know kind of just blasted words onto a post.

EDIT: Added some more info
 
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You're right, never trust sales. Their job is to sell you a product whether it be a car, computer, fridge. Im gonna try to help ya out.

First of all, Im sorry to say that regular windows laptops are not going to be cutting it out for you. It will end up giving you more frustration than benefit. So you may have to go with the more expensive option of Apple laptops. BUT if you manage to become sufficient in fixing minor problems, you may have a chance with a windows desktop and saving you heaps of $$$.

And dont you dare bash on iTunes. As much as I do not like Apple computers and laptops (way overpriced), their music department is amazing.

What you are looking for is almost exactly what I am also looking for notetaking in Dental School. Handwriting notes on powerpoint slides and have a more powerful machine to process everything else: media, entertainment, documents, etc.

iPads will most likely be able to handle any in-class work such as note-taking, powerpoint slide viewing, event planning. But in the end, it is only a tablet and is limited as such. Which means your multi-tasking won't be as quick as on a laptop and limited to only app. Which aren't bad as the App Store have millions of apps. As good as they are, they will never be as good when putting it on the same task as a full program. Unfortunately, there is almost no tablet out there that are good at handwritten notetaking. The App Store has something for the iPad but it is horrible. Yale Med gives out similar iPads with keyboards (along with the pen) to all of its students and my friend still types all of his notes. He used it once and never used the handwritten option again. But for all intends and purposes of Dental School, it is perfectly fine (I'd still check with your school though). In my opinion though, as of pure tablets. iPads win out in the end. Your next best bet is Windows Surface Pro 3 or 4. It is very pricey, but it combines the power of a laptop in the form of a tablet. And its pen writing technology is miles ahead of any laptop/tablet in its class. It uses the same technology (N-trig) as some comic book artists use. I have one and it is perfect for my purpose.

No matter what you pick for a laptop, Mac or Windows, MS Word will be compatible with MS Word. There is also a method you can access iCloud from a PC. So it is flexible there.

In conclusion, if you are looking for a laptop, go with MacBook Pro. Never Windows Laptops, I hate them with a passion and if I hate them, you wouldnt stand a chance. But otherwise, I highly suggest looking into a windows desktop. For $700, it would be more powerful than any Apple Laptops if you're smart about it (I can actually help you out when you are picking one out). And you can just stick to your iPad for portability. There would not be any overheating issues. And yes, it will play Minecraft flawlessly. Brands usually don't matter unless it's a Dell. Your other option is to go for a Surface Pro 3 or 4. Mind you, it is like a tablet with the power of a laptop so it is quite unserviceable on your own, just as bad as trying to open up an iPad, meaning you'll have to send it back to OEM for repairs. While I am not use to that, many Apple users have no problem sending products back. And it is quite pricey, starting at $799 plus a $123 keyboard (if you want to use the tablet as a laptop, though it is a VERY good keyboard).

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions about what I said. I know kind of just blasted words onto a post.

EDIT: Added some more info

I just have to chime in really quickly about the Surface Pro 3/4. Its absolutely impossible to fix on your own, so no question if you crack the screen or it has a hardware issue you'll have to send it in UNLESS you live near a Microsoft Store. You'll have to buy the insurance package for this, but you can walk in, and swap for a new one under the one year warranty for free (no accidental damage) and on top of that , for 3 years if you do have accidental damage, for only $50 you can get a brand new surface. If they're out of your model, they typically honor by giving you the comparable updated model.
 
I don't know how many of you guys have actually taken notes on an ipad but I find it horrendous. Since the ipad can only take capacitive input, you'll usually end up with a crayon like stylus that is wildly inaccurate and is (in my opinion) only good for quick drawings or graphs, arrows etc. It also has no or limited palm block, so if (like most people) you take your notes with a palm on the screen, it'll block you out. Its frustrating to say the least. You'll absolutely want a keyboard to take actual notes the professor is giving out. I used an ipad for my organic courses and the most i ever got out of it was drawing structures. My notes, when I did take them, looked like a 1st grader wrote them. This all brings me to my final sell for the surface pro models (last time, I promise).

The surface Pro's have active input for pens, in normal people terms, that means its extremely accurate and on top of that it has palm blocking technology...as soon as the active stylus nears the screen, the mouse function stops, and it only listens to the pen input. You can take serious notes just like you would on a piece of paper, and that to me seems like it would be extremely useful in dental school. The Onenote program that comes with Microsoft office is amazing and compliments the surface very well. I believe one click of the pen brings you to onenote, a second click brings you to a snipping function wherever you are. So if you're in powerpoint but want to take notes over a specific graph, double click the pen, trim the graph with the pen, then take notes over it. I've tried it at the store and was blown away.

Finally, just to clarify so none of you are too confused (Microsoft did an awful job of explaining this). The surface Pro models are full fledged computers (as in Windows 8.1 x64 architecture)...they literally have the power of a laptop in a tablet format. This is different from Surface RT/2 (non-pro) which is an ARM processor...this model was meant to compete with the ipad in the tablet realm (I love my surface 2 but unfortunately the models failed to sell well).

If any of you all have a best buy or Microsoft store near you I highly recommend you give it a try. If any of you guys have more questions about the Surface Pro line give me a PM.
 
Just a few general things to consider:
1) Intel's quad-core Broadwell chips for higher-end laptops and desktops aren't scheduled to be out until this summer, so the next MacBook Pros might not be out until just before school starts. The GPU in the current MBP lineup is already 2 years old, which is an eternity in hardware (for comparison's sake, here's today's high-end mobile gpu, which probably won't be the one Apple picks, though).

2) If you can't afford a MacBook, or don't want one, I'd have no qualms going with an Asus, Lenovo or Dell these days, with whatever specs are recommended by your school. Windows 10 has a positive vibe about it, and should be out around this summer. There's a Windows 10 event on Jan. 21st, where we may get more details.

3) If you already have a laptop you like, and you just want to make it a little faster, consider a solid-state drive. I recently dropped a Samsung 840 Evo in a 4 year old MacBook Pro, and it's been awesome. Should've done it sooner. I'd go with the Samsung 850 Evo (or Pro model, if you know what you're up for).

4) I'm glad to see people raving about the Surface Pro 3's. I have an iPad 4 that I used for taking notes occasionally, but it just wasn't working for me during class. The styluses that are available are awful and it requires a lot of zooming to take notes by hand (at least for me). I do have a few textbooks on it, and I have scanned notes, rewritten notes, or otherwise digitized notes (lots of powerpoints turned into PDFs and marked all over), which I love, and which I couldn't do without, but I envy the Surface Pro folks. For notes, I mostly use the Notability app, and Google Drive/Docs.

5) There are rumors of a ~12" iPad Air Pro. Take that for whatever it's worth.

Bottom line, if you weren't already going to, I would suggest waiting until this summer to do anything.
 
SSD thinkpad over an overpriced MBP anyday IMO
 
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