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What was your COMLEX or step 1 score?
 
Man, you are golden. Mind sharing how you studied for step or if you did any aways? Or where all of your rotation at your home school?
 
Trollest said:
Man, you are golden. Mind sharing how you studied for step or if you did any aways? Or where all of your rotation at your home school?
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Man you have no idea how hard it is to be top 3 at a program for ortho. I did UFAPS starting in January of my second year for boards. For auditions, I rotated at 6 programs in 5 months for Ortho. Got 8 interviews and was able to make it to 7 of them due to date overlap. 2 of the programs called their top applicants and I wasn’t called. I met people with 850-900 comlex and 270+ USMLEs, people that previously served our country, and people that had their parents be trained as an orthopedic surgeon at programs. Ortho is wildly competitive because for the most part everyone was pretty cool on auditions. Fingers crossed going forward.
 
HueySmith said:
Last year where DO students have the chance to do surgical subspecialties!
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Oh come on. My school had dermatology and interventional radiology ACGME matches last year. Things are moving in the direction where MD and DO are going to merge in the near future. The loss of unique residencies and now AOA boards basically dying (and now requiring no OMM component) are resulting in the inevitable merge
 
HueySmith said:
Last year where DO students have the chance to do surgical subspecialties!
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Lol wut. At minimum there will be at least 20 ortho, 36 gen surg, 4 neuro surg, 11 uro, 4 ophtho, 11 otolaryngology AOA programs I’m the ACGMe merger and its likely the vast majority will take DOs. Probably less DOs marching these specialties overall bc of the closed programs but DOs will be matching each of these specialties for the foreseeable future.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Oh come on. My school had dermatology and interventional radiology ACGME matches last year. Things are moving in the direction where MD and DO are going to merge in the near future. The loss of unique residencies and now AOA boards basically dying (and now requiring no OMM component) are resulting in the inevitable merge
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The question is how long and what will the degree switch fee be? I doubt it’ll be $25 like it was in ‘69
 
DO2015CA said:
The question is how long and what will the degree switch fee be? I doubt it’ll be $25 like it was in ‘69
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The loss of California was a sad year *sarcasm*
 
BorntobeDO? said:
Or to not have to explain 'whats a DO? ever again.' But at the same time I do have a weird fondness of the DO. Its like a relic from a long lost era that I worked way too hard for to be anything less than proud of.
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I’ll be living in the Midwest anyways so meh on the DO. My biggest complaint is the *****ic old guard that are cult like in their belief of osteopathy.

Plus like you said, I worked damn hard for this. I am proud of my degree.
 
DO2015CA said:
The question is how long and what will the degree switch fee be? I doubt it’ll be $25 like it was in ‘69
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I doubt we'll have to pay because it'll be a change as a profession, but i could also see a scenario where they simply stop awarding DOs and we just stay as the last DOs in existence. Yet another alternative is that DO schools are forced into following MD standards but continue awarding a DO degree, or there could be a dual MD, DO award.
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
I doubt we'll have to pay because it'll be a change as a profession, but i could also see a scenario where they simply stop awarding DOs and we just stay as the last DOs in existence. Yet another alternative is that DO schools are forced into following MD standards but continue awarding a DO degree, or there could be a dual MD, DO award.
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I see this as the most likely scenario in a merger. Its cool but it kind of sucks tho.
 
BorntobeDO? said:
I see this as the most likely scenario in a merger. Its cool but it kind of sucks tho.
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To cheer you up I'll also propose that when the LL.B degree became JD then all the old law schools had to re-issue old diplomas with JD
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
Oh come on. My school had dermatology and interventional radiology ACGME matches last year. Things are moving in the direction where MD and DO are going to merge in the near future. The loss of unique residencies and now AOA boards basically dying (and now requiring no OMM component) are resulting in the inevitable merge
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Would you be able to expand on this a bit please? (Particularly the bolded)
 
DO2015CA said:
Also, MBBS are allowed to use MD in this country so I don’t see how old DOs wouldn’t be able to use whichever one they wanted
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Yeah can I have MD please. Not that I’m self hating of the do profession but just more to show Chapman’s points are bs and so is cranial k thanks
 
DO2015CA said:
My biggest complaint is the *****ic old guard that are cult like in their belief of osteopathy.
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Old Guards are already gone. I would venture to say that 99% of people entering a DO school after 1992 are not hard core osteopathy disciples. They (we?) are in a DO school because MD school did not give them the opportunity to become a physician. The recent AOA Presidents graduated in the late '70 and early '80's. In 10 more years, there will be a very different AOA.. if it is still there. It is hard to see that there will be the same kind of osteopathic loyalty even within the AOA in the near future.

Truth be told, if the "Old Guards" are still in charge, ACGME merger would never have happened and this major change (abandonment) of Osteopathy in AOA Board Certification would have never happened.
 
DO2015CA said:
I Do not have legal website but I remember some thread on here.

Mbbs = us md?

Looks like @Winged Scapula does this. Maybe they can provide some light.
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There really are two issues here:

One is what the state requires your license to say and two is how you were allowed to introduce or advertise yourself.

I only have experience with four states personally. Arizona is the only one that puts MBBS on my license all the rest say MD. However Arizona allows those with the MBBS or other similar and equivalent degrees to use MD in advertising and other forms of communication.

I don’t think personally anyone cares whether you say MD because of the fact that commonwealth type of degrees are not widely known here.
 
Winged Scapula said:
There really are two issues here:

One is what the state requires your license to say and two is how you were allowed to introduce or advertise yourself.

I only have experience with four states personally. Arizona is the only one that puts MBBS on my license all the rest say MD. However Arizona allows those with the MBBS or other similar and equivalent degrees to use MD in advertising and other forms of communication.

I don’t think personally anyone cares whether you say MD because of the fact that commonwealth type of degrees are not widely known here.
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So in the context of this thread and DO we’re to merge would there be any problem using MD?
 
DO2015CA said:
So in the context of this thread and DO we’re to merge would there be any problem using MD?
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Again that would be up to the individual state but if your degree is an osteopathic degree then currently you are not allowed to use “M.D.“ as I’m sure you understand. Some states, including Arizona, have separate licensing boards or osteopathic and medical degrees. Since I am not on the board I have no idea if they’d even discussed whether this would change with a merger.

If the merger results in a single medical degree then the point is moot.

I’m not sure the comparison is appropriate to Commonwealth countries where the osteopathic degree is more similar to a physical therapist.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Again that would be up to the individual state but if your degree is an osteopathic degree then currently you are not allowed to use “M.D.“ as I’m sure you understand. Some states, including Arizona, have separate licensing boards or osteopathic and medical degrees. Since I am not on the board I have no idea if they’d even discussed whether this would change with a merger.

If the merger results in a single medical degree then the point is moot.

I’m not sure the comparison is appropriate to Commonwealth countries where the osteopathic degree is more similar to a physical therapist.
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So in the commonwealth countries like Australia where USDO's now have full practice, do they get to use MD like you do here with your MBBS?
 
Winged Scapula said:
Again that would be up to the individual state but if your degree is an osteopathic degree then currently you are not allowed to use “M.D.“ as I’m sure you understand. Some states, including Arizona, have separate licensing boards or osteopathic and medical degrees. Since I am not on the board I have no idea if they’d even discussed whether this would change with a merger.

If the merger results in a single medical degree then the point is moot.

I’m not sure the comparison is appropriate to Commonwealth countries where the osteopathic degree is more similar to a physical therapist.
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Separate boards will likely remain a thing because of the old guard. My home state has a combined board, but my current state has them split and I'm thankful for that because I can get my full license and DEA after intern year rather than two years for the MDs
 
Mad Jack said:
Separate boards will likely remain a thing because of the old guard. My home state has a combined board, but my current state has them split and I'm thankful for that because I can get my full license and DEA after intern year rather than two years for the MDs
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Do you think that speific incidence is separate but not equal in that in your state a DO can recieve full license and dispense schedule I meds with literally a year less training compared to your MD counterparts?

I imagine media can spin this against us.
 
doctorsdatdo said:
Do you think that speific incidence is separate but not equal in that in your state a DO can recieve full license and dispense schedule I meds with literally a year less training compared to your MD counterparts?

I imagine media can spin this against us.
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*shrug*

I don't really care. Plenty of states have a 1 year GME requirement for licensure for US grads, I just happen to be in one that makes life harder for US MDs
 
Mad Jack said:
*shrug*

I don't really care. Plenty of states have a 1 year GME requirement for licensure for US grads, I just happen to be in one that makes life harder for US MDs
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Not really on topic, but isn't that a good thing? I'm not sure I would agree that 1 year training is adequate enough to allow someone to have an unrestricted license to practice.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Not really on topic, but isn't that a good thing? I'm not sure I would agree that 1 year training is adequate enough to allow someone to have an unrestricted license to practice.
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It just makes residency more challenging, as we do a lot of addiction medicine in my program and without a DEA it really limits your utility. It's not like having that license really affords you much aside from the ability to moonlight and write for controlled substances in residency (unless you decide to leave residency, in which case it opens the door for pharma trials, prison jobs, pre-employment/insurance physicals, etc).
 
AlbinoHawk DO said:
AOA boards basically dying (and now requiring no OMM component) are resulting in the inevitable merge
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Wait wut do you mean there's no OMM component? Do you mean for like Level 3? Cuz I know OMM is still on COMLEX 1...right?
 
Mad Jack said:
It just makes residency more challenging, as we do a lot of addiction medicine in my program and without a DEA it really limits your utility. It's not like having that license really affords you much aside from the ability to moonlight and write for controlled substances in residency (unless you decide to leave residency, in which case it opens the door for pharma trials, prison jobs, pre-employment/insurance physicals, etc).
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Well I mean I understand, after all as a surgical residents we wrote for a lot of controlled substances as well.

While there was a bit of grumbling it really just meant that the senior residents and attendings with unrestricted licenses and DEA numbers had to write the scripts for discharge. I’m not sure that inconveniences is reason why we should allow for earlier ability to prescribe.

I don’t want to get too much off topic but if we are presenting arguments about our lesser trained colleagues and the danger that exposes patients to, I’m not sure I can get behind advocating for less restrictions than what we already have.

I would be in favor of limited licensure for those who have not completed residency and/or restricting prescribing to institutional DEA numbers for those who are still in training.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Well I mean I understand, after all as a surgical residents we wrote for a lot of controlled substances as well.

While there was a bit of grumbling it really just meant that the senior residents and attendings with unrestricted licenses and DEA numbers had to write the scripts for discharge. I’m not sure that inconveniences is reason why we should allow for earlier ability to prescribe.

I don’t want to get too much off topic but if we are presenting arguments about our lesser trained colleagues and the danger that exposes patients to, I’m not sure I can get behind advocating for less restrictions than what we already have.

I would be in favor of limited licensure for those who have not completed residency and/or restricting prescribing to institutional DEA numbers for those who are still in training.
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I guess that all comes down to whether you think someone needs a full residency to safely be a physician. As military GMO positions demonstrate, there is at least some utility in internship trained physicians. And as physician assistants and nurse practitioners demonstrate, one can certainly function with far fewer clinical hours and years of training independently. And then there are the positions outside of "normal" medicine that require a medical license, such as clinical research trials, basic physicals for plasma centers, etc, where board certification is probably overkill. Could probably get away with doing cosmetic botox injections or vitamin infusions for hangovers like any midlevel hack could.

I guess it's one of those areas where I'm fine with letting the market decide. Insurers won't reimburse for physician services that are billed by non-board eligible individuals, which limits a lot of the damage that can be done, and malpractice exists to catch anyone who decides to cast too broad a net with their scope of practice. If a big enough problem arises, the law will deal with it. We've been giving intern-trained physicians licenses for around a century without issue though, so my guess? Things are fine.
 
Winged Scapula said:
Well I mean I understand, after all as a surgical residents we wrote for a lot of controlled substances as well.

While there was a bit of grumbling it really just meant that the senior residents and attendings with unrestricted licenses and DEA numbers had to write the scripts for discharge. I’m not sure that inconveniences is reason why we should allow for earlier ability to prescribe.

I don’t want to get too much off topic but if we are presenting arguments about our lesser trained colleagues and the danger that exposes patients to, I’m not sure I can get behind advocating for less restrictions than what we already have.

I would be in favor of limited licensure for those who have not completed residency and/or restricting prescribing to institutional DEA numbers for those who are still in training.
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Heck no. If an NP with less than 6 months of FT clinical shadowing can prescribe narcotics then there is no way that a MD/DO should be required to wait till the end of residency. Clearly no one gives 2 craps about how much extra training we have, since NPs and PA's are allowed to do so much, with much less training. Raising an extra imaginary moat against our own while allowing every NP in the back door is stupid.
 
CA is going to require minimum 3 years of postgrad training to obtain a state license
 
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