Learning spanish too?

[ZpackSux]

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I think we should also use radio telescopes to busily search for incoming alien signals so we can decipher any possible alien languages in case they come by walgreens to get a prescription filled

Physics got to your head.. sad sad sad..

 

[aubieRx]

nah i just like the book "contact".

physics shmysics

 

[no-see-um]

ah I am assuming this is the race card. I knew it would get played. My problem is not with race it is with attitude. If millions of german speaking blonde haired blueeyed people came into america and were not learning english I would feel the same way about catering to these hypothetical german-speakers.

I do not care to see massive amounts of signs written in both english and german anymore than I do seeing them in english and spanish,.

If feeling this way is bigoted then yes I am bigoted against people who come to america and do not learn english. In the same sense the french are bigoted against people who come to France and expect to be spoken to in English.

I have already stated that I would not go out of my way to provide inferior service to a spanish speaker if i could speak spanish(Assuming they were a legal resident/legally visiting the country ). But nor would I bend over backwards with regards to language to serve them (this includes the fact I have no desire to learn spanish for the sole purpose of using it in a pharmacy).

Your original assumption is wrong, at least with regards to that post of mine directly preceding yours. I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trying to over-simplify what I just said- taking it on your own preconceived (and easier) level of dismissal. You 'knew it would be played', you say, and you showed your own cards too soon.

Just in case you actually do believe that I played some race card, let it be known that I was surely not talking about race. There is no 'mexican race'. Mexicans are of all types of origins, and you should know better than that. You should also know that race and language are two totally different things. (There are Japanese people who speak english, mind you!).

What I am addressing is how unprofessional it is to justify inadequate care and an unwillingness to treat others who have a different primary language just because of your political views.

And if you didn't like the word 'bigoted' that I used, then get out a dictionary and look it up. Apparently, you had race on the tip of your tongue- I sure as hell didn't...

'Bigotry' is not about race, although it could be. And although I didn't go so far as to call you a bigot, (I'm sure you wish I did to aid in your sophomoric response)- a bigot is a person 'obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices'- (So says Mr. Webster), I'd have called you a bigot against foreigners. Though, I didn't! So, I have two suggestions for you: 1) Read more critically AND 2) learn some professional compassion for patients.

 

[aubieRx]

I assumed you were referring to race because there is nothing bigoted about preferring people speak english in a country that has been dominated by english since 1776. (or refusing to go out of your way to cater to spanish speakers)

 

[no-see-um]

I assumed you were referring to race because there is nothing bigoted about preferring people speak english in a country that has been dominated by english since 1776.

That assumption is a major leap, outside the scope of anything that has been posted.

I would venture to say that there were a hell of a lot of Native languages and a hell of a lot of Native peoples in the United States during 1776. Did the Declaration of Independence- which I assume that you're referring to- make english America's official language? Or rather, did it ban the use of other languages? Do you consider Native American languages and the French spoken by traders at the time to be subversive to the mission of the US? Surely not. Did you realize that most Mexicans have native blood in them and that they have been on this continent much longer than any of your ancestors (or mine!)? Furthermore, did you realize that we created states out of areas that had once belonged to Mexico? I'm not making value judgements here, but I'm telling you that you have to think about the issue a little more and realize that we all have a common history...

Seems like an arbitrary date you chose, in that respect. You're still letting your political opinions cloud your professional duties to other human beings. Don't try to link patriotism to this issue. To me, it's patriotic and surely the American way to help others.

 

[aubieRx]

That assumption is a major leap, outside the scope of anything that has been posted.

I would venture to say that there were a hell of a lot of Native languages and a hell of a lot of Native peoples in the United States during 1776. Did the Declaration of Independence- which I assume that you're referring to- make english America's official language? Or rather, did it ban the use of other languages? Do you consider Native American languages and the French spoken by traders at the time to be subversive to the mission of the US? Surely not.

Seems like an arbitrary date you chose, in that respect. You're still letting your political opinions cloud your professional duties to other human beings. Don't try to link patriotism to this issue. To me, it's patriotic and surely the American way to help others.

No i don't think it was such a large leap. And even if i incorrectly guessed your intentions I made sure I specified it was an assumption.

The united states did not exist before 1776. any business in a pharmacy that is transacted today is transacted under law of the united states which was founded upon english. Business is not transacted under the law of a piece of land that has existed since time began.

it is not relevant that people who spoke differnet languages lived in the united states at the time of its founding. The people who created the US spoke english,

 

[no-see-um]

No i don't think it was such a large leap. And even if i incorrectly guessed your intentions I made sure I specified it was an assumption.

The united states did not exist before 1776. any business in a pharmacy that is transacted today is transacted under law of the united states which was founded upon english. Business is not transacted under the law of a piece of land that has existed since time began.

Yeh, it's not illegal to be exclusive, but it is professionally unethical. The profession of pharmacy and human health transcends those factors that set people apart. I would surely hope that if there were a spanish speaker with tuberculosis, that the person would be treated. Disease can speak any language.

Your logic seeks to justify not doing something as a politically-oriented professional. My logic has me or other pharmacists helping people of all types. You can be however you like... And since we're dealing with capitalism and free-market economy and patients of all types who come into a pharmacy for the most intimate thing of all- their health- I would at this point in the discussion throw this question out there: who would the patient rather have as his or her pharmacist?

 

[aubieRx]

Yeh, it's not illegal to be exclusive, but it is professionally unethical. The profession of pharmacy and human health transcends those factors that set people apart. I would surely hope that if there were a spanish speaker with tuberculosis, that the person would be treated as disease can speak any language.

Naturally they would be helped to the best of everyone's ability. But as zpack suggested, why should special steps be made to ensure health care practicioners can speak spanish? why not french? or mandrian chinese?

If it is unprofessional to be exclusive then favoring spaniards over french people is unprofessional

 

[ZpackSux]

Naturally they would be helped to the best of everyone's ability. But as zpack suggested, why should special steps be made to ensure health care practicioners can speak spanish? why not french? or mandrian chinese?

If it is unprofessional to be exclusive then favoring spaniards over french people is unprofessional

I refuse to learn French.. they coerced Saddam to sell oil in Euro. That's a no no.. everyone knows oil can only be sold and bought using the US dollar. That's right. It's a currency hegemony and currency supremacy of the mighty $. No sarcasm here.. We do need to protect the US interest and prevent the collapse of $. Why? Cuz I'm an American.. selfish? Yes. So be it. 👍

 

[aubieRx]

I refuse to learn French.. they coerced Saddam to sell oil in Euro. That's a no no.. everyone knows oil can only be sold and bought using the US dollar. That's right. It's a currency hegemony and currency supremacy of the mighty $. No sarcasm here.. We do need to protect the US interest and prevent the collapse of $. Why? Cuz I'm an American.. selfish? Yes. So be it. 👍

selfish american pig-dogs

when will zey learn? 😛

 

[no-see-um]

Naturally they would be helped to the best of everyone's ability. But as zpack suggested, why should special steps be made to ensure health care practicioners can speak spanish? why not french? or mandrian chinese?

If it is unprofessional to be exclusive then favoring spaniards over french people is unprofessional

Perhaps I missed the mention of the exclusive learning of Spanish. I would agree with you there, that there are other languages out there. But, Spanish is the 2nd most spoken language in the United States and latinos are a burgeoning population and have a lot of health disparities that ought to be addressed.

I agree, it would surely be going beyond the call of duty to learn spanish to tackle this, but I am one who do believe that there has to be more involvement out there by professionals to make for better health outcomes amongst populations.

It is stating the obvious to say that those who cannot speak english, despite what language they're speaking, may experience worse outcomes than those who speak english. Pharmacists (or any other health care professional) not learning another language to help tackle that problem and the patients themselves not learning english both work to maintain this schism.

Most people could only learn one other language, if at all. And like a triage, would you not consider the factor that could allow you to treat the most patients possible? Learning spanish would allow you to do that. Surely, that's a reason to learn spanish as a professional- if not for anything else but economic reasons.

But, one ought to be allowed to learn any language that he or she wants- as one could better the health outcomes for non-english speakers of non-spanish languages.

Also, I think that speaking a second language or showing the intention to learn another language should be one of the fators in pharmacy and health career admissions. The former allows people from such communities to effectively represent and affect those communities. And the latter, increases the reach of the professional.

 

[no-see-um]

I refuse to learn French.. they coerced Saddam to sell oil in Euro. That's a no no.. everyone knows oil can only be sold and bought using the US dollar. That's right. It's a currency hegemony and currency supremacy of the mighty $. No sarcasm here.. We do need to protect the US interest and prevent the collapse of $. Why? Cuz I'm an American.. selfish? Yes. So be it. 👍

lol

 

[ZpackSux]

Surely, that's a reason to learn spanish as a professional- if not for anything else but economic reasons.

Not disputing your patient advocacy. It's admirable and yes, we should care for all.

But I do believe treating unregistered Spanish speaking patients in the Triages of the US actually costs tax $.

Am I against it? No..not really. We should treat all.

But..I just wanted to point out your "economic reasons" argument..and why it doesn't work sometimes..

 

[no-see-um]

I used to live in an area (in the US), where most of my neighbors did not speak english, and the first question that I was asked when I looked for a pharm tech position in the pharmacies here is - "Do you speak X language?" Turns out I didn't know how to say my name in this language! Made it difficult to find a job in my own neighborhood. It would have helped me economically to learn that gibberish and then open up a pharmacy there. 😀

 

[ZpackSux]

But your patients will expect you to sell RX drugs without RX in Drosophila-Farmacia like the way they are used to in their home coutry..

 

[no-see-um]

But your patients will expect you to sell RX drugs without RX in Drosophila-Farmacia like the way they are used to in their home coutry..

I hope Drosophila doesn't carry any negative connotations in spanish. 😱 😀

Drosophila-Famacia it is!

 

[aubieRx]

Also, I think that speaking a second language or showing the intention to learn another language should be one of the fators in pharmacy and health career admissions. The former allows people from such communities to effectively represent and affect those communities. And the latter, increases the reach of the professional.

I think that the easier we make it for people to cope without doing some variety of work x the less likely they will be motivated to learn work x.

That is why I am so picky about the langauge thing. If we make it easy for people to use poor english or no english and get by they will be less motivated to change. Not all of them of course, but a large percentage will.

and when the numbers start hitting the millions that starts causing problems

I am glad we agree on the fact it should be "beyond the call of duty" to learn the foreign/non dominant language simply to accommodate people who speak a differnet language.

 

[ZpackSux]

selfish american pig-dogs

when will zey learn? 😛

u callin me a pig - dog.. what's a pig-dog..

 

[aubieRx]

u callin me a pig - dog.. what's a pig-dog..

something john cleese said in "monty p and the holy grail" when he played the french taunter.

"you...englisssh pig dog!"

 

[ZpackSux]

I hope Drosophila doesn't carry any negative connotations in spanish. 😱 😀

Drosophila-Famacia it is!

I think it means Fruit Fly Pharmacy

It may not be the most conducive name for a profitable pharmacy..but who knows?

 

[ZpackSux]

something john cleese said in "monty p and the holy grail" when he played the french taunter.

"you...englisssh pig dog!"

My goodness.. I think I saw that movie in 1981.. hmm that's a long time ago.

 

[aubieRx]

yes back in the days when dinosaurs marched brazenly across the planet's surface

 

[bananaface]

yes back in the days when dinosaurs marched brazenly across the planet's surface

He's still pretty brazen.

 

[ZpackSux]

He's still pretty brazen.

what kind of person uses the word "Brazen?"

 

[aubieRx]

someone who obviously is trying to be sensitive to the feelings of others in their choice of words 👍

 

[ZpackSux]

someone who obviously is trying to be sensitive to the feelings of others in their choice of words 👍

Prehistoric Dinosaurs aren't too concerned with word choice & sensitivity associated with it.. 😎

 

[aubieRx]

haha capitalization of P(harm)D duly noted.

we should start a thread of adjectives and phrases that describe you

 

[ZpackSux]

haha capitalization of P(harm)D duly noted.

we should start a thread of adjectives and phrases that describe you

ok if you insist..

Bold
Unfazed
Loving
Loud
Sensitive
Happy
Intelligent
Troubled..

 

[bananaface]

what kind of person uses the word "Brazen?"

educated

 

[aubieRx]

you are very intelligent.

But why are you troubled? it sounds like an adjective for angsty teenage boys

 

[ZpackSux]

you ever play cross word puzzle?

 

[aubieRx]

you ever play cross word puzzle?

no why do you ask? I do like scrabble tho.

 

[ZpackSux]

Bold
Unfazed
Loving
Loud
Sensitive
Happy
Intelligent
Troubled

What does it spell...

 

[aubieRx]

Is "bull****" supposed to be one of the adjectives in the list

 

[ZpackSux]

Is "bull****" supposed to be one of the adjectives in the list

So during my first of RX school.. just got my intern license and I needed a job.. Called around all the local hospitals.. one of the first was Childrens.. cuz in the Yellow Pages...C came before others..

"Sir, I'm a P1 and need experience. I'm poor..and really need to work.. Sir, what I lack in experience...I'll make it up with effort."

The director said.."dude..I already like you.. but remember, don't BS a BSer.."

 

[CAGinseng]

😀 Hey, Is this the Fruit fly, AubieRx, ZpackSux thread?

 

[ZpackSux]

😀 Hey, Is this the Fruit fly, AubieRx, ZpackSux thread?

We can add some Red Ginseng to it and stay up all night..

 

[aubieRx]

😀 Hey, Is this the Fruit fly, AubieRx, ZpackSux thread?

banannaface also made a brief cameo before she fled in horror

 

[bananaface]

banannaface also made a brief cameo before she fled in horror

Zpack gives me the runs. 👎

 

[ZpackSux]

Zpack gives me the runs. 👎

Take it with Flagyl 👍

 

[bananaface]

Take it with Flagyl 👍

And a nice warm beer to go with my flagyl....

 

[ZpackSux]

And a nice warm beer to go with my flagyl....

With the run and the barf.. u could get the double projectile..

 

[bananaface]

With the run and the barf.. u could get the double projectile..

I know. Pretty soon I'll be dehydrated and look like a little prune.

 

[ZpackSux]

I know. Pretty soon I'll be dehydrated and look like a little prune.

Prune gives you the run more so than Zpack.