All very interesting responses. Let's test my rhetoric again.
No one ever a aid that doctors don't find fulfillment in their jobs, or are happy with their career decision in general. Medicine is very interesting, but it also comes with a ton of baggage. Go look at medacape surveys on physician satisfaction, you will be surprised. And yes actually healthcare does tread there frequently. Have you ever worked in a hospital? No. So you have no idea and are just spouting teenager altruistic nonsense. Healthcare is a business and is all about the bottom line, not at an individual physician level but on a corporate broad level it is all about the sweet $$$
I have. I mentioned in the other thread, that I've shadowed a doctor for a while. Nobody commits to medicine without reason. I also pointed out in the other thread that although in healthcare we sometimes tread into the zone where integrity is jeopardized, we don't too frequently. I don't think so. If you disagree with me on this section of our argument, then this is, unfortunately, settled.
Healthcare is about healing the patient integrally and comprehensively, and the work is definitely enjoyable and rewarding. Although we may spend as much as 1/3 of our time doing paperwork, it's meaningful and useful work. We need to file each case and organize it well, and make sure it's documented in the patient's history, so future physicians can see the most up-to-date status on the patient, and care for him/her more efficiently. How much this varies by will indeed also depends on the specialty you choose; I think the doctors you've shadowed yourself might've exemplified behavior that you might disapprove of, thus your grim outlook on healthcare. Medscape indicates that 30~45% of doctors in their chosen specialties are unsatisfied - well then, I'm in the 55~70% that'll enjoy what they do to a great extent. To consolidate this, I'll be choosing very carefully the specialty I select, making sure it really fits me.
Just stop, you have no knowledge of what you talk about. Opening your own clinic is exceptionally difficult and is getting even more difficult as our healthcare model is slowly moving away from this.
The cog in the wheel thing is really confusing me, and I can't get my head around what it's trying to convey. I'll leave that for now until I look further.
I believe starting a practice isn't "hard" if you know what you're doing? Do some research, and get help from current clinicians. If funds is what you're missing, contact the USSBA.
Yes you are too young with literally zero functional experience. You only have opinions based on freaking YouTube and ER.... The thing is that it is ok you don't know, because you are a high school student. Just stop spouting nonsense based on media potrayals.
That's not the case. I said in the other thread, that not only have I shadowed an ortho, I did extensive research. ER isn't a misrepresentation of an ER setting at all - there may be exaggerated drama, but the cases and diagnosis are definitely accurate and feasible. There's no dispute with that. I want to do something similar, without participating in the dysfunctional, melodram relationships.
Wrong again, and like I said before it isn't at the individual physician level most times, but have you ever seen the salaries of some of these healthcare administrators or insurance company leaders? They make physicians look like blind beggars. It's all about the bottom line.
That's why they're in the administration. They run the hospital, don't really do clinic hours, and employ
you for the "labor". Accumulate enough funds and set up your clinic, or live with it. I won't complain as long as I get 150K as a starting salary, then make 200~350K annualy afterwards. That's definitely possible. Notwithstanding, you could practice as an Attending Physician for long enough, then request promotion to chief of staff. Demonstrate competence in business administration as CS, then you could go further still. Might stop you from the patient care you're meant to do, but if seven figures if what you're after, there's your path.
Because I don't give a rip if it is non-binding. You don't know if this is what you will actually end up liking, he'll you may not end up even liking science. Because in this program you are essentially put right onto a science pre-requisite train without being able to truly get experience with other fields. Maybe you will really like accounting, finance, or engineering. In this program you don't have the freedom to explore because you you will have three years to essentially get done with all of the pre-reqs. Go to a normal undergrad, sniff around a bunch of different fields and then if you can't see yourself in anything else then go into medicine. Medical schools won't be going anywhere.
Medicine is something I look forward to with excitement. Other careers don't melt my butter. That's why I applied to a BS/DO 7-year accelerated program; it'll direct me to the career I desire with less time and expenses. It's not binding for a reason - it permits a sense of safety and flexibility if I do decide to apply elsewhere, with my B.S.
Age really has nothing to do with it. It's the content of what you say that draws ire. But there definitely is a correlation between age and immature comments based on unfounded "realities". Also because tv shows are 90% false and unrealistic. Now seriously stop using them as "evidence" of your point, because it only continually shows that you really don't know much.
That poster said that 50% of DOs will be forced into primary care. Big difference. Yes DOs tend to practice more in primary care, but this has nothing to do with our discussion.
My first post on that thread was not personally directed. It might be sassy, but it offers direct, insistent, and most important,
correct advice. We can debate on that if you so desire. If you found my words inappropriate or the content of my advice erroneous, let me know in a mature, non-contentious way; but your comment spurred my response: "One's age doesn't designate one's maturity or ability to be analytical and observative." The correlation you speak of has its exceptions.
Regarding the primary care thing. Indeed it has nothing to do with
our argument, but not all text I said in that post is directed at you? It's my exasperated anecdote that the community can sometimes be unnecesarily critical and belittling.
This is where you really need to stop because you have almost zero working knowledge of medical training. Do you know that FM residents essentially do a medical intern year? Because they do.... psychiatry residents generally don't. They have intern years but it is usually made up of neurology rotations, outpatient psychiatry, and a mix of other fields. It is not that similar to a FM residents intern year. I don't agree with that posters opinion but for different reasons.
I can't really process that comment. He wanted the OP to compromise to the silly, irrational demands of a wife and two parents. The wife has a personal, sexual fetish for Family Physicians due to some nefarious soup opera, while the parents have certain misguided values. His comment is not acceptable, and is misleading the OP. Michael also mentioned
directly that he has trouble paying equivalent respect to psychiatrists, than to other doctors. That's just discriminatory, and again, very misleading for the OP.
You, quite frankly, are an absolute child and know absolutely nothing about life and marriage. I am not 22, I have been married for 3 years, and I have kids. I worked all through undergrad to support my family all the while getting good enough grades to get into medical school, doing research, killing the MCAT, and doing all other various ECs I needed. On top of that I have had enough hours in my day to even spend quality time with my family. If I had to do it over again I wouldn't change a single thing. The idea that you have to wait until you or your SO have a meaningful career before getting married is downright laughable.
With this post are showing how childish and immature you are, almost everyone I know applying to medical school from my undergrad is married and has children. Our undergrad is frequently one of the top 10 producers of medical students, almost every year in fact. I work at a hospital where most of the doctors were married before medical school, some even had as many as 5 kids through medical school and residency.
The real world is going to eat you alive if you continue to have the attitude you have shown here, brace yourself.
I made a mistake, in assuming you are not married, have no children, and was lying. Nevertheless, you did make a "correlation" that lead you to comment - I should not offer my opinion and advice due to my reported age. And you, being one of the pre-med, usually pressed with student loans and unable to obtain an appreciable income required to sustain a family, lead me to believe you are not married(and the kids part). Therefore, I'd say I made a reasonable, albeit biased and wrongful, claim. If I were you, I would definitely do things differently. Without the burden of marriage and children, you would be able to graduate sooner, matriculate into medical school with less time and expenses, and divebomb into a well-salaried residency. That should be everyone's(pre-med's) priority. I could inquire all the pre-meds in the states, and at 99%(or more) of them would respond that they would not invest in marriage and parenthood while an yet-to-graduate undergraduate.
You can have a stable relationship without having to marry. I wouldn't guarantee my SO that I'd be able to support her and our children without that degree at my hands. If you end up failing the rigorous, intensive M1 year, or after two years, unsuccessfully take the COMLEX, things will turn sorely grim.
"almost everyone I know applying to medical school from my undergrad is married and has children"
You can't expect anyone to believe this.
