lets make an updated list of DO schools WITHOUT mandatory attendance

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Its honestly probably shorter to list the ones that DO have mandatory attendance...aren't there only like 3?
 
ARCOM, LECOM, ICOM for sure. I know there's others. Some have a dress code on top of mandatory attendance 😛

KCU it depends, some are required some aren't.
 
Do ACOM and WCUCOM still have mandatory attendance?
 
VCOM (80% - about 11 full days and 22 half days allowed to miss per block)
 
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Magus5454 said:
ARCOM, LECOM, ICOM for sure. I know there's others. Some have a dress code on top of mandatory attendance

KCU it depends, some are required some aren't.
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Actually only Anatomy and the group sessions like TBL, IBC sessions, OPP lab, FOPC lab are mandatory at ARCOM now. The other lectures are recommended, but not mandatory. But they don't like that you make it a habit of missing lectures either. You might lose some professionalism points if you do that.

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UIWSOM.

Mandatory attendance with decreased school hours compared to most.
Class ends at noon every day.
SIGS (Small groups/case based learning MWF - two hours each day), DOCs (Tuesday - 4 hours) , structures (anatomy Tuesday - 4 hours) are mandatory.

LGS (large group sessions/"lecture - MWF - 2 hours) are not mandatory.
 
Take off OU-HCOM, their new curriculum requires attendance to all courses.
 
BurntFlower said:
Do ACOM and WCUCOM still have mandatory attendance?
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For ACOM, I think that they allow you to miss 40% of lectures each semester. The mandatory lectures are mandatory (of course, lol), and you have to attend labs and TBL sessions.
 
PopeKnope98 said:
Lol can we make one of these for dress code?!
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Yeah, the thing that bothers me more is the dress code. I have to go to work every day. I just think if achool the same way. But I can dress comfortably at work. I don’t have to spend money I don’t have to wear clothes others think are “professional.” But I’m old and grumpy that way.

Now someone go get me my walker and get off my lawn.
 
I dont get the angst over going to lecture, being on time, bathing, dressing, putting on a tie,(or professional dress). What do you think happens in 3rd and 4th year on clinical rotations? Be at work early morning, on time, mandatory noon lectures, professional behavior, nights, and weekend duty. I believe this is the job everyone wants to sign up for. So why complain about doing the same thing for the first 2 years? Medical school and a career in medicine is hard for most ,except for the most talented students. If you "dont do hard", maybe medicine is not a good fit for you. Like football, medicine is not for everyone. Just because you are fast doesn't mean you will be a good football player. Just because you are intelligent, doesn't mean you will be an excellent doctor. The work ethic needs to be there.
 
Angus Avagadro said:
I dont get the angst over going to lecture, being on time, bathing, dressing, putting on a tie,(or professional dress). What do you think happens in 3rd and 4th year on clinical rotations? Be at work early morning, on time, mandatory noon lectures, professional behavior, nights, and weekend duty. I believe this is the job everyone wants to sign up for. So why complain about doing the same thing for the first 2 years? Medical school and a career in medicine is hard for most ,except for the most talented students. If you "dont do hard", maybe medicine is not a good fit for you. Like football, medicine is not for everyone. Just because you are fast doesn't mean you will be a good football player. Just because you are intelligent, doesn't mean you will be an excellent doctor. The work ethic needs to be there.
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I totally understand your perspective, and I don't care that much about mandatory lecture but I believe the problem with dress code is that A) it is another added expense that, at least at this point of medical school, is unnessesary and B) it usually consists of more than just wearing professional clothing. It can be removing piercings, having specific hair dyes, wearing your hair a specific way, regulating facial hair, etc....all things that are, again, unnessesary to alter for a learning environment. In a patient driven environment, I can definitely understand wanting to encourage professionalism but not necessarily for a 5 hour mandatory lecture 5 days a week.

And none of this necessarily has to do with work ethic. I work just as hard at one of my jobs that I don't have a dress code for as I do for my second job that I do have a dress code for. I think this has more to do with professionalism and the bounds of when you should and shouldn't have to be professional.

But again, I appreciate your point, and can see how it comes off as whiny.
 
I'm_a_dogtor said:
I totally understand your perspective, and I don't care that much about mandatory lecture but I believe the problem with dress code is that A) it is another added expense that, at least at this point of medical school, is unnessesary and B) it usually consists of more than just wearing professional clothing. It can be removing piercings, having specific hair dyes, wearing your hair a specific way, regulating facial hair, etc....all things that are, again, unnessesary to alter for a learning environment. In a patient driven environment, I can definitely understand wanting to encourage professionalism but not necessarily for a 5 hour mandatory lecture 5 days a week.

And none of this necessarily has to do with work ethic. I work just as hard at one of my jobs that I don't have a dress code for as I do for my second job that I do have a dress code for. I think this has more to do with professionalism and the bounds of when you should and shouldn't have to be professional.

But again, I appreciate your point, and can see how it comes off as whiny.
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Thank you for your polite response and your perspective. Having gone to catholic school, tie required, and was a student teacher, professional dress was not much of an effort when I was in med school . Always good to see someone else perspective .Good luck and best wishes with your career!
 
Angus Avagadro said:
Thank you for your polite response and your perspective. Having gone to catholic school, tie required, and was a student teacher, professional dress was not much of an effort when I was in med school . Always good to see someone else perspective .Good luck and best wishes with your career!
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Dress code isn’t the problem. Mandatory attendance is. I attended a mandatory attendance school which sucked. Lectures are extremely inefficient. I wish I would’ve chosen the other school I was contemplating which didn’t have an attendance policy. I ended up going with my current school because I didn’t think mandatory attendance was a big deal... boy was I wrong.
 
DO2015CA said:
Dress code isn’t the problem. Mandatory attendance is. I attended a mandatory attendance school which sucked. Lectures are extremely inefficient. I wish I would’ve chosen the other school I was contemplating which didn’t have an attendance policy. I ended up going with my current school because I didn’t think mandatory attendance was a big deal... boy was I wrong.
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This is not true 100% of the time. In fact, I like attending class in my school, and 3 out 5 days of the week we get done at 12pm. And I don't mind the dress code either. People made it seem like a dress code was the worst thing ever when I was applying, but then I wear slacks or khaki pants and a polo shirt to school every day, and I'm super comfortable with it.

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Angus Avagadro said:
Thank you for your polite response and your perspective. Having gone to catholic school, tie required, and was a student teacher, professional dress was not much of an effort when I was in med school . Always good to see someone else perspective .Good luck and best wishes with your career!
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And thank you for yours! It gives me a lot to think about regarding perception of professionalism and dress. Good luck in your endeavors as well
 
For me
lenspx said:
This is not true 100% of the time. In fact, I like attending class in my school, and 3 out 5 days of the week we get done at 12pm. And I don't mind the dress code either. People made it seem like a dress code was the worst thing ever when I was applying, but then I wear slacks or khaki pants and a polo shirt to school every day, and I'm super comfortable with it.

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Call me crazy but when I'm sitting in a chair for 4 hours, I want to be comfortable. I'm not a fan of dressing up for class.
 
Magus5454 said:
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Call me crazy but when I'm sitting in a chair for 4 hours, I want to be comfortable. I'm not a fan of dressing up for class.
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Well, you either feel uncomfortable now or 2 years later. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why someone would feel uncomfortable in business or business-casual clothes for 4 to 6 hours, let alone 12 to 24 hours by the time you're in residency.

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lenspx said:
Well, you either feel uncomfortable now or 2 years later. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why someone would feel uncomfortable in business or business-casual clothes for 4 to 6 hours, let alone 12 to 24 hours by the time you're in residency.

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Rotations are different. *shrugs*
 
lenspx said:
This is not true 100% of the time. In fact, I like attending class in my school, and 3 out 5 days of the week we get done at 12pm. And I don't mind the dress code either. People made it seem like a dress code was the worst thing ever when I was applying, but then I wear slacks or khaki pants and a polo shirt to school every day, and I'm super comfortable with it.

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Of course it’s not 100% true. Only a sith deals in absolutes. My school had a few great professors that I was glad I went to but then the vast majority were a waste of time. No attendance policy will still allow you to attend the good ones but also dodge the bad ones.
 
lenspx said:
Well, you either feel uncomfortable now or 2 years later. Maybe it's just me, but I don't see why someone would feel uncomfortable in business or business-casual clothes for 4 to 6 hours, let alone 12 to 24 hours by the time you're in residency.
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I feel like some people don't get it. Just because it's not uncomfortable for you, doesn't mean it's justified. There's a time a place for certain attire. Just because you wear a full suit for a 12-16 hour work day in your day job doesn't mean you should be forced to wear it on a 12-16 hour flight. Seeing patients, clients, having meetings, discussing business = professional attire. Sitting in a lecture hall, studying in a library, sitting in a plane = wear whatever you want (within reason). Did I wear business casual dress 12 hrs a day 5-6 days a week as a resident? You bet I did. Do I want to do that if I'm just going to go study? Do I want to be mandated to do that? Hell no.
 
I heard PCOM recently switched to mandatory lectures. Any confirmations
 
I would not count PNWU in that list.
Yes, not all lectures are mandatory, but they pepper in so much quizzes, you might as well call it mandatory.
OPP lectures(1hr every week) and OPP labs(2~3 hr weekly) are mandatory with sign in sheets
1st year is very lecture heavy. On 2nd year most of the systems are FDS(self study) except when there's guest lecturers, quizzes, or CILs, which is very often. Most of 'community doctoring' classes(3hr/wk) and clinical skills lectures and labs all mandatory.
If you are independent-study type, you will feel sufffocated by constant quizzes and mandatory classes in first 2 years. The later 2 years, they don't manage you AT ALL, to the other extreme.
I once took couple weeks off on my second year and was inundated by 2 exams and 15 quizzes to makeup. So glad it wasn't during my first year because I would have had even more exams and quizzes to makeup.
 
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