Letters of APPEAL (post-secondary, pre-interview)

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Hi, would someone mind helping me out with this... I dont know much about letters of appeal, but I am going to turn one in for a UC school. I received a secondary there and was just rejected. 🙁

What kinds of things are good to include in an appeal??
Here's what I'm thinking, perhaps people can share their thoughts?

1. WHY you are interested in the school... this seems obvious.

2. ?? Predicting why you think they may not have wanted to give you an interview and explain??
(like for example, in crude terms: "I realize I may not have enough clinical, but..." or "though my grades are not exceptionally high...") ??

3. What else??

I've seen the other threads on this and they haven't gotten very far, so I was hoping this new thread could get the conversation going again 🙄

OK thank you for your 2 cents! 😛

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The school receives thousands of applications and has many more qualified applicants than spots to offer. What you're doing is making excuses for yourself. What you should be doing is figuring out the shortcomings in your app and fix them for next time. Good luck.
 
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there's a girl from last year's app cycle who did this to UCI and she eventually got in. her testimony and a copy of her letter of appeal is on her mdapps

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=6325

a good friend of mine is doing this too this application cycle. i might take up his advice and do the same with reason being that UCI actually takes time during their adcom meetings to review appeals during feb-march. please note that this is only for UCI, I don't know about the other UCs.

good luck.
 
there's a girl from last year's app cycle who did this to UCI and she eventually got in. her testimony and a copy of her letter of appeal is on her mdapps

http://www.mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=6325

a good friend of mine is doing this too this application cycle. i might take up his advice and do the same with reason being that UCI actually takes time during their adcom meetings to review appeals during feb-march. please note that this is only for UCI, I don't know about the other UCs.

good luck.

Beat me to it. Haha.

Yeah OP, basically you want to address:

What you will benefit from them letting you in.
What they will benefit from them letting you in.
Updates since you applied (if possible incorporate these into the letter under things about the school that fit you well).
You can address weakness but be careful. I addressed my lack of research in the first letter. I addressed some poor grades my sophomore year in my second letter (not in my mdapps). Just be careful about bringing up weaknesses, you don't want it to sound like you're making excuses or bringing excessive attention to them.

Good luck, as the above poster said - some UCs are more open to this than others and you really do need to fit the school well. Basically my letter was true to form - I am one of the leaders in the new free clinic and I am active in a homeless group that is working with a public health organization. I really do have passion for the underserved. If you write about something that isn't true it will be apparent in interviews. So just be careful - if you claim to be passionate about x you better be ready to talk excitedly about your work in the past and plans for the future during interviews - otherwise thats a HUGE red flag.
 
The school receives thousands of applications and has many more qualified applicants than spots to offer. What you're doing is making excuses for yourself. What you should be doing is figuring out the shortcomings in your app and fix them for next time. Good luck.



Ya know what, this answer's SO good, I'll quote it again!


The school receives thousands of applications and has many more qualified applicants than spots to offer. What you're doing is making excuses for yourself. What you should be doing is figuring out the shortcomings in your app and fix them for next time. Good luck.


You got rejected. As I did, as did 80% of my current medical school class on their first time around.

Direct your energy into self-improvement, not making excuses. If anything, you're lowering your chances for a future interview next year.
 
Hi, would someone mind helping me out with this... I dont know much about letters of appeal, but I am going to turn one in for a UC school. I received a secondary there and was just rejected. 🙁

What kinds of things are good to include in an appeal??
Here's what I'm thinking, perhaps people can share their thoughts?

1. WHY you are interested in the school... this seems obvious.

2. ?? Predicting why you think they may not have wanted to give you an interview and explain??
(like for example, in crude terms: "I realize I may not have enough clinical, but..." or "though my grades are not exceptionally high...") ??

3. What else??

I've seen the other threads on this and they haven't gotten very far, so I was hoping this new thread could get the conversation going again 🙄

OK thank you for your 2 cents! 😛

Appeals generally work when there was an irregularity in the review, interview and committee process. If you feel that this is the case, then by all means state your case and appeal. For example, at one school that I know of, an applicant appealed because he was supposed to be interviewed by both a faculty member and a student. He ended up being interviewed by two students; rejected and then appealed. He got in on the appeal because the process was not correct.

Another applicant appealed because it turned out that one of the interviewers had worked with her and could not conduct the interview. She ended up with only one interview (The school's policy dictated two) and thus she appealed and entered.

There are the two cases that I know of, neither of which, happened at my schools. We have not had a successful appeal largely because we follow our selection process to the letter with no single person making the final decision. Our process takes longer but in the long run, it is better for applicants because they know what is taking place during those weeks when they don't hear anything.
 
Hi, would someone mind helping me out with this... I dont know much about letters of appeal, but I am going to turn one in for a UC school. I received a secondary there and was just rejected. 🙁

What kinds of things are good to include in an appeal??
Here's what I'm thinking, perhaps people can share their thoughts?

1. WHY you are interested in the school... this seems obvious.

2. ?? Predicting why you think they may not have wanted to give you an interview and explain??
(like for example, in crude terms: "I realize I may not have enough clinical, but..." or "though my grades are not exceptionally high...") ??

3. What else??

I've seen the other threads on this and they haven't gotten very far, so I was hoping this new thread could get the conversation going again 🙄

OK thank you for your 2 cents! 😛


Well, if you're already rejected at the school, it can't hurt to send a letter. I'm not quite sure why someone would say it would hurt your chances of getting an interview next year to send an appeal letter expressing interest this year.

Say why you want to go there, say why your unique skills and atributes are a great fit for their school, be specific and give examples of things you've done (don't be vague). If you want to address your weaknesses, use careful word choice to even make the weaknesses sound like postives. You've got nothing to lose.

There are times when being a California resident sucks 😎

:luck:
 
The school receives thousands of applications and has many more qualified applicants than spots to offer. What you're doing is making excuses for yourself. What you should be doing is figuring out the shortcomings in your app and fix them for next time. Good luck.

Writing a letter of appeal doesn't necessarily mean one is "making an excuse for" one's poor application. I happen to be a first year medical student in a CA school, and many of my classmates should NOT be doctors, yet are still in my class. This goes to show that the admissions process is far from perfect and the unfortunate reality is that deserving candidates are rejected, while far from deserving ones end up matriculating. I think that a letter of appeal could be helpful, especially if one had received a secondary at a CA medical school (as CA schools screen secondaries)...since receiving a secondary means that the school thinks you are somewhat of a worthy candidate. Just make sure the letter emphasizes your strengths and specifically addresses why you'd benefit the school.
 
Ya know what, this answer's SO good, I'll quote it again!





You got rejected. As I did, as did 80% of my current medical school class on their first time around.

Direct your energy into self-improvement, not making excuses. If anything, you're lowering your chances for a future interview next year.

👎 bad advice.

You're assuming the OP is going to get rejected from EVERY medical school he applies to. And even if this were the case and the OP had to reapply next year, I doubt that a letter of appeal, showing genuine interest, would HURT his chances for an interview next year. They probably wouldn't even remember the OP.
 
Writing a letter of appeal doesn't necessarily mean one is "making an excuse for" one's poor application. I happen to be a first year medical student in a CA school, and many of my classmates should NOT be doctors, yet are still in my class. This goes to show that the admissions process is far from perfect and the unfortunate reality is that deserving candidates are rejected, while far from deserving ones end up matriculating. I think that a letter of appeal could be helpful, especially if one had received a secondary at a CA medical school (as CA schools screen secondaries)...since receiving a secondary means that the school thinks you are somewhat of a worthy candidate. Just make sure the letter emphasizes your strengths and specifically addresses why you'd benefit the school.

Correct. Writing a letter of appeal in itself is not making excuses. However, look at what the OP is thinking of including:

I realize I may not have enough clinical, but..." or "though my grades are not exceptionally high..."

If you realize you don't have enough clinical experience, go get it. If your grades aren't high enough, take more classes or do well enough on the MCAT to indicate that this won't hold you back in med school.

Please don't take this as my saying that the OP wouldn't make a good physician. However, part of practicing medicine involves taking responsibility for your own actions. Start now and it will serve you well.

As for the opinion that your fellow medical school classmates are not worthy of becoming physicians, realize that what you prefer in a doctor may be not be what Patient A, B or C prefers. The adcom saw potential in those students, as they did in you. Instead of judging your classmates for their abilities, why not focus on what you can do to become the best physician possible?
 
. I happen to be a first year medical student in a CA school, and many of my classmates should NOT be doctors, yet are still in my class. This goes to show that the admissions process is far from perfect and the unfortunate reality is that deserving candidates are rejected, while far from deserving ones end up matriculating.quote]

What are your reasons for judging that MANY of your classmates SHOULD NOT be medical studednts?...I think that is pretty presumptious and arrogant to say!👎
 
👎 bad advice.

You're assuming the OP is going to get rejected from EVERY medical school he applies to. And even if this were the case and the OP had to reapply next year, I doubt that a letter of appeal, showing genuine interest, would HURT his chances for an interview next year. They probably wouldn't even remember the OP.

Perhaps it is wrong to base my information on my personal interactions with several members of the admissions committee at my school.

It might work for his school, but as for mine, it definitely does NOT work. There are some members, in particular, who have their own ideas about the perfect applicant. That being, applicants who do NOT whine nor give off the appearance of making excuses.

I'm pretty sure his letter will get read by the assistant dean's secretary, but unless there truly was a discrepancy, nothing will come of it. In fact, if there WAS a discrepancy, it's extremely optimistic to think that they're going to make an exception. He might get re-interviewed if there was something grossly wrong or unfair, but they usually don't find these errors.

It's their game. Their world. Their rules. Their playing field. If you want in, you need to play the game, and play it well.

Sure it sucks and might be tough to hear, but it's the way it goes. Not everyone's the perfect applicant, but most of the people rejected for one reason are another have a FIXABLE flaw. I spent a LONG time fixing my flaws.
 
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Thanks for the responses everyone... I wasn't expecting it to turn into a mini-debate, but regardless, good points were shared. I will say that the grades/ clinical thing was actually just an EXAMPLE (for sake of discussion) haha so no need to worry about that (but it could have been useful for other readers)

I completely agree that an appeal letter shouldn't be an excuse letter. However, my friend told me about a person who eventually got into a UC school with a letter of appeal, PRE-interview post-secondary...so I know (though rare) it has happened. Thus, I was curious as to what sorts of ideas can be put in it because as some of you said, it doesn't hurt to try (it just gives your app one more chance to be read).

Thanks for the link s3park.🙂
 
UCSF specifically says on their website that you can appeal pre-secondary and pre-interview, so it must be pretty common.
 
Perhaps it is wrong to base my information on my personal interactions with several members of the admissions committee at my school.

It might work for his school, but as for mine, it definitely does NOT work. There are some members, in particular, who have their own ideas about the perfect applicant. That being, applicants who do NOT whine nor give off the appearance of making excuses.

I'm pretty sure his letter will get read by the assistant dean's secretary, but unless there truly was a discrepancy, nothing will come of it. In fact, if there WAS a discrepancy, it's extremely optimistic to think that they're going to make an exception. He might get re-interviewed if there was something grossly wrong or unfair, but they usually don't find these errors.

It's their game. Their world. Their rules. Their playing field. If you want in, you need to play the game, and play it well.

Sure it sucks and might be tough to hear, but it's the way it goes. Not everyone's the perfect applicant, but most of the people rejected for one reason are another have a FIXABLE flaw. I spent a LONG time fixing my flaws.
Yeah but it happens. And as the person said, you're assuming they got in NO WHERE. The OP is appealing a UC...if they really think they have a chance at a UC they are probably holding another acceptance. Which means it can't possibly hurt their next cycle...so your advice is inapplicable in this case. They can't 'fix' their application for next time - there won't be a next time. As far as being whiney and making excuses - thats a perspective. Your adcomm's look at it as that, others might look at is as being grown up and admitting to your mistakes and being man enough to address them. At other times its not even a mistake, just a possibly perceived weakness that you might want to ease the adcomms mind about. I don't think I made mistakes in undergrad, I couldn't prevent the things that happened to my GPA and I wouldn't change my lack of research - but I'm aware of these weaknesses and I addressed them. Its perspective and I have a feeling your whole "whiney excuse" view isn't the whole story.

It can't hurt the OP to send the letter.

I'm where I am off a pre-interview, post-secondary letter of appeal. So it does happen. The OP should certainly try.
 
Yeah but it happens. And as the person said, you're assuming they got in NO WHERE. The OP is appealing a UC...if they really think they have a chance at a UC they are probably holding another acceptance. Which means it can't possibly hurt their next cycle...so your advice is inapplicable in this case. They can't 'fix' their application for next time - there won't be a next time. As far as being whiney and making excuses - thats a perspective. Your adcomm's look at it as that, others might look at is as being grown up and admitting to your mistakes and being man enough to address them. At other times its not even a mistake, just a possibly perceived weakness that you might want to ease the adcomms mind about. I don't think I made mistakes in undergrad, I couldn't prevent the things that happened to my GPA and I wouldn't change my lack of research - but I'm aware of these weaknesses and I addressed them. Its perspective and I have a feeling your whole "whiney excuse" view isn't the whole story.

It can't hurt the OP to send the letter.

I'm where I am off a pre-interview, post-secondary letter of appeal. So it does happen. The OP should certainly try.

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. I happen to be a first year medical student in a CA school, and many of my classmates should NOT be doctors, yet are still in my class. This goes to show that the admissions process is far from perfect and the unfortunate reality is that deserving candidates are rejected, while far from deserving ones end up matriculating.quote]

What are your reasons for judging that MANY of your classmates SHOULD NOT be medical studednts?...I think that is pretty presumptious and arrogant to say!👎

An apology for the vagueness of my comment above, which is stimulating much questioning from other posters. I'm not much of a responder to posts, but to address the antagonistic accuation that I'm "arrogant" and "presumptious," I'd like to make the following points:

I believe that we all have judgements and make judgements, and to pretend this doesn't exist in the world is simply impractical. Thus, to say that many of my classmates don't "deserve" to enter medical school is still, nonetheless a judgement on my part. While it may seem extremely unjust, there are practical reasons (through first hand interactions with my peers) that warrent me stating this.

If you believe that the definition of "deserving" entails high GPA and MCAT scores, then yes, many (if not all) of my peers do deserve to enter medical school. However, I believe that "deserving" implies so much more than these factors; to me, a deserving individual is kind, culturally competent, tolerant...one who exerts little judgement upon peers, professors, staff, and most importantly the patients he or she is entrusted care over. There have been many regretable instances where I have interacted with classmates who scorn their patients' (and their classmates') socio-economic status, sexuality, sexual orientation, diet, lifestyle habits, "ignorance," etc. I have classmates who essentially believe that medicine is a venue to exert power and knowledge upon individuals (aka patients) who intrinsically are "stupider" and "less educated." Rather than seeking to educate patients on how to acheive the best possible state of health, I have witnessed many of my classmates publically ridicule patients (for example, by using inappropriate racial terms).

Though these attributes are definitely not the norm, I think that as medical school applicants / re-applicants, you absolutely cannot say that everyone who gets into medical school will be at least an "ok" doctor. While that may not be your criteria in defining the word "deserve," I feel that entering medical school means that you respect your peers and patient first; you're an advocate for your patient (and for your colleges, too). If a person can't handle that responsibility (and believe me, many can go through a primary, secondary, and interview masking these negative attributes), then that person doesn't deserve to be in medical school, no matter how amazing the resume is.

I believe that essentially, the overall determinant of being "deserving" is one's commitment towards care and humanism. Tying this back into the OP, I feel that its a bit presumptuous to think that he or she needs to "improve," because sometimes the process is so random / flawed such that good people get excluded and poor candidates make it through. Since I have seen that latter already occur (please see above for the abbreviated examples), I believe that the former can occur as well.

To the OP: I think that yes, you should go back and re-evaluate your resume and application and think things through practically. However, if you feel strongly about one particular school (and that your resume is viable there), then by all means I'd write that letter. It seems that you've been getting interviews at other places, so that means you're doing something right!
 
The school receives thousands of applications and has many more qualified applicants than spots to offer. What you're doing is making excuses for yourself. What you should be doing is figuring out the shortcomings in your app and fix them for next time. Good luck.

Thanks for the pep rally, jerk. If you have nothing constructive to say about this process in the application, then don't say it. Obviously people can apply in the next cycle, but I don't think giving up so easily is characteristic of premeds who have worked so hard to get to this point.
 
Thanks for the pep rally, jerk. If you have nothing constructive to say about this process in the application, then don't say it. Obviously people can apply in the next cycle, but I don't think giving up so easily is characteristic of premeds who have worked so hard to get to this point.

Dude, that was 2 years ago ... chill out
 
Thanks for the pep rally, jerk. If you have nothing constructive to say about this process in the application, then don't say it. Obviously people can apply in the next cycle, but I don't think giving up so easily is characteristic of premeds who have worked so hard to get to this point.

posts like this really confuse me...

why are you attacking someone from 2.5 years ago???
 
This thread is fun... Do all UC schools accept appeals? Any other schools?
 
You know better, but unless it is an extreme circumstance and you were treated unfairly, I would more likely focus on the next year's application cycle. Figure out what you need to improve on.

I'm not sure if this is against protocol at certain schools, always check 1st. I've known schools that will give you feedback depending on your relationship (if you have always been timely and polite etc...) with the faculty or administrative staff.

If you are not sure where to start, ask the administrative assistant who is in charge of collecting records/forms during application if there is anyone whom you can speak with regarding your denial/waitlist. Sometimes there is a particular staff member who is more patient with students that are applying (many will not give "the time of day" and I do not believe it is part of their job description).

Always be patient, everyone is usually too busy to finish the work they already have. You may hear things that you can improve upon for the next year, the staff will be very pleased if they think you were listening and have been diligently working hard to improve upon what they mentioned.
 
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