List of PsyD Programs

[erg923]

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I completely agree that APA-accredited internships are an important basic standard. I'm just commenting on the fact that if one doesn't have an APA, they still do fine in private practice. Until/unless insurance companies make APA-internships a requirement for being impaneled.

This is already happening. Not widespread at moment by any means, but happening. And if you have a historical understanding of mananged care (and their underhanded attempts to cut costs) then one should probably understand whats coming down the pipe.

 

[Phipps]

I am interested in psychodynamic but not spirituality. I do have "research experience" but not much I can put on a CV. For instance, I wrote an honor's thesis based upon my friend's independent study, am second investigator on another one of their studies right now, and am submitting my own study to the IRB this week. We are submitting our studies to SEPA for next year.

...if you are interested in psychodynamics, George Washington U (Psy.D.) might be of interested. They have been put on probation but should be taken off beginning of next year. Wasn't anything serious. Loyola U in MD is a decent school, but more competitive than GW, with smaller cohorts and more cbt oriented classes. Good luck in your discernment process!

 

[deleted176373]

I will echo Erg to some extent and perhaps sound a bit more abrasive.

If you believe that an UNFUNDED Psy.D. program is the right answer ask yourself this: What is the outcome you are hoping to achieve? For most of us it's a career with an income. Going to an UNFUNDED Psy.D. might make sense, if the formula broke down like this:

Talent * Money Borrowed = Income

Unfortunately, it appears to be something more approaching this:

((Talent * (1/Money Borrowed)) * 10e5) + Scholarship Funding = Income

This is not a problem with the training and in no way am I attempting to assert that Psy.D's are inferior to Ph.D's. Let's get away from that nonsense and just look at the VALUE that is being achieved by some Psy.D. programs, it's abyssmal! The outcomes do not justify the costs.


Mark

 

[WisNeuro]

I also want to point out that the old adage of "just go into pp" is not the most sound advice. Some will make it just fine, sure, but that landscape is only getting harder with changes to reimbursement and insurance. I would want to keep as many options open career-wise as I could rather than rely on one available path.

 

[smalltownpsych]

I also want to point out that the old adage of "just go into pp" is not the most sound advice. Some will make it just fine, sure, but that landscape is only getting harder with changes to reimbursement and insurance. I would want to keep as many options open career-wise as I could rather than rely on one available path.

With the proliferation of professional schools in California cranking out people who want to go into private practice, it will start looking like real estate agents where the majority don't make any money

 

[463951]

...if you are interested in psychodynamics, George Washington U (Psy.D.) might be of interested. They have been put on probation but should be taken off beginning of next year. Wasn't anything serious. Loyola U in MD is a decent school, but more competitive than GW, with smaller cohorts and more cbt oriented classes. Good luck in your discernment process!

I would wait until they are taken off probation, I heard it was sort of serious.

 

[Bryan91]

I will be applying to graduate school this semester and I would like to make sure I have not left out any "good" programs. I know all of these schools are expensive, please note that is not what I am seeking feedback about. I used the Insider's Guide to select the following schools:

FIT
NOVA
MSPP
Baylor University
Rutgers University
Antioch University New England
Pacific University
Chestnut Hill College
University of Hartford
Indiana State University
Indiana University of Pennsylvania
University of Indianapolis
La Salle University
Long Island University
Loyala University Maryland
Pepperdine University
Roosevelt University
Widener University
Wright State University
Xavier University

I am currently at pacificu for my PsyD program. I love the program in every aspect, the professor's really care about the students. The clinical tracks provide opportunities for publications and higher a APA matching to internships. Do not let the class size and tuition scare you away from the program!

Any good ones a Forensic emphasis?

Pacificu has one of the stronger PsyD forensic tracks. The forensics track provides APA-accredited placements to correctional facilities and/or state hospitals for their track students each year. In terms of matching to APA-accredited internships, the track is notorious for having all of their students matched each year; which is why there is a growing number of applicants who apply to this program each year for just the forensics track. The forensic professor's are well established within the program. However, it can become quite competitive, depending on the cohorts research and clinical interests.

 

[WisNeuro]

Pacificu has one of the stronger PsyD forensic tracks. You are guaranteed a match to an APA site

You sure you want to make this statement? Unless you aren't referring to APA-accredited.

 

[erg923]

I am currently at pacificu for my PsyD program. I love the program in every aspect, the professor's really care about the students. The clinical tracks provide opportunities for publications and higher a APA matching to internships. Do not let the class size and tuition scare you away from the program!
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My financial advisor is curious why taking out three times the average starting salary for a degree is nothing to be worried about and "should not scare a person off." If the person is of middle or even upper middle class means, your conclusion defies economic sense and logic. You might want to explain your statement a bit better here.

 

[erg923]

You sure you want to make this statement? Unless you aren't referring to APA-accredited.

They have an inhouse APA accredited intenrship in their training clinic. But obviously, one training clinic can't accomodate 20 interns, so making such a statment seems quite silly.

 

[WisNeuro]

Well, their numbers in the past several years show around a 50% accredited match rate, so guaranteed didn't make sense to me.

 

[karepine]

I'm applying to 8 Psy.D programs.

LIU Post
La Salle
Loyola
Widener
Xavier
Rutgers
Argosy DC
Argosy Chicago

Any thoughts? I feel I will be competitive so I'm hoping I will have a tough decision to make!

 

[WisNeuro]

Drop the Argosy's. Generally bad news, that name will hurt you moving forward even if you do get an accredited internship.

 

[463951]

I'm applying to 8 Psy.D programs.

LIU Post
La Salle
Loyola
Widener
Xavier
Rutgers
Argosy DC
Argosy Chicago

Any thoughts? I feel I will be competitive so I'm hoping I will have a tough decision to make!

APA match rates are poor for Argosy (both) and cohort sizes are large. Rutgers and Loyola are good. Xavier is okay.

 

[Bryan91]

You sure you want to make this statement? Unless you aren't referring to APA-accredited.

Sorry, I forgot to edit that post earlier... What I meant was the forensics track provides APA-accredited placements to correctional facilities and/or state hospitals for their track students each year. The forensics track only accepts a certain number of people each year (2-6 students) depending on how many placements they obtain. In terms of matching to APA-accredited internships, the track is notorious for having all of their students matched each year; which is why there is a growing number of applicants who apply to this program each year for just the forensics track. Hopefully, this makes more sense than my last post (which was phrased obnoxiously wrong).

 

[karepine]

Drop the Argosy's. Generally bad news, that name will hurt you moving forward even if you do get an accredited internship.

I'm keeping them as back ups just in case. I feel as if I won't need them, but I already took a gap year and I'm not planning on taking anymore time off. They're basically my B list. I know four professionals from Argosy DC and Atlanta that have fared extremely well in their field.

 

[WisNeuro]

Argosy shouldn't be a b list. They shouldn't be on a list period. The plural of anecdote is not data.

 

[OneNeuroDoctor]

Chicago School of Professional Psychology is opening a campus in a partnership with Xavier University in New Orleans with first cohort in 2015.

Argosy closed a number of programs including Dallas, Denver, and Seattle, but other programs are moving into these areas. However, Argosy continues to have MA Counseling Programs in those states with large enrollments.

There are many doctoral jobs that go unfilled and people with the PsyD have no problems with finding employment even if the program is non APA accredited.

There might be some restrictions for acquiring certain positions at VA, federal prisons, or University-Academia but these are a small subsector of the overall psychologist job opportunities.

One of the reasons the professional school and PsyD model maintains success is due to graduates acquiring jobs.

In a number of states you will discover more PsyD rather than PhD psychologists. In the real world no one talks about psychologists degree or University attended.

Here on SDN, there are threads over and over related to these topics and it seems that the same posters frequent these and post with their subjective opinions about PsyD and unaccredited programs. This in no way maintains generalization into the real world of PsyD and PhD psychologist in the real world.

 

[erg923]

There are many doctoral jobs that go unfilled and people with the PsyD have no problems with finding employment even if the program is non APA accredited.

What is the source for this? Personal experience/anecdotal knowledge?

Moreover, I have had this conversation with you before regarding your perception that jobs go unfilled due to lack of supply. Reposting of positions doesn't mean they went unfilled, and cancelling of posting doesn't mean it was cancelled because no one applied. Work in an admin position for a bit and you'll quickly see what I'm talking about.

And why would you say the Department of Veteran Affairs is "small subsector." You are aware we are the largest single employer of psychologist in this country, right? Over 5000 of us, about 5% of psychologists. Combine this with the numbers working for DoD as contract psychologists, BOP employees, and those working in colleges and universities, and you have about 25% of this nations psychologists. Small subsector, huh?

 

[erg923]

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[erg923]

One of the reasons the professional school and PsyD model maintains success is due to graduates acquiring jobs.

It success is that they are well known "ins" for individuals who have stats below, and sometimes well below, those needed at reputable programs at actual schools. They are Caribbean medical schools. And if you would like to bring some actual data into this, APPIC survey data shower a HIGHER unemployment rate for these grads 2 years post doc compared to university phd counter parts. So, where are you pulling this statement from?

 

[erg923]

Here on SDN, there are threads over and over related to these topics and it seems that the same posters frequent these and post with their subjective opinions about PsyD and unaccredited programs. This in no way maintains generalization into the real world of PsyD and PhD psychologist in the real world.

Your definition of "real world" is one divorced from scholarly pursuits, activity, training, or academic affiliation. Probably important to qualify that. Moreover, effects discussed don't disappear because they are not talked about in the work place, right?

 

[WisNeuro]

Our "subjective opinions" seem to have a lot of objective data behind them. Those posters are fine with reputable PsyD's, but by willfully misleading others about their job prospects if they go to a diploma mill is just irresponsible and borderline unethical. These are people's lives, don't take that lightly.

 

[463951]

Chicago School of Professional Psychology is opening a campus in a partnership with Xavier University in New Orleans with first cohort in 2015.

Argosy closed a number of programs including Dallas, Denver, and Seattle, but other programs are moving into these areas. However, Argosy continues to have MA Counseling Programs in those states with large enrollments.

There are many doctoral jobs that go unfilled and people with the PsyD have no problems with finding employment even if the program is non APA accredited.

There might be some restrictions for acquiring certain positions at VA, federal prisons, or University-Academia but these are a small subsector of the overall psychologist job opportunities.

One of the reasons the professional school and PsyD model maintains success is due to graduates acquiring jobs.

In a number of states you will discover more PsyD rather than PhD psychologists. In the real world no one talks about psychologists degree or University attended.

Here on SDN, there are threads over and over related to these topics and it seems that the same posters frequent these and post with their subjective opinions about PsyD and unaccredited programs. This in no way maintains generalization into the real world of PsyD and PhD psychologist in the real world.

The reason professional schools keep operating is because they bring in a lot of students (i.e., money). They do an excellent job of recruiting students who do not want to relocate, lack research experience, or who have less than stellar records (GPA, GRE scores). These schools promise that financial aid will not be a problem, and it is not, I have heard that students at these schools take out loans for huge amounts and it takes about 30 seconds to get approved. It's ridiculous. What these schools do not talk about is the interest on these loans, and how difficult it will be to repay the loans upon graduation. These schools are great at selling the idea that the possibilities are endless with a degree from their school. They don't discuss match rates, the EPPP, or the percentage of their graduates who have found employment (as a clinical psychologist). Getting a job doing what they were already doing prior to attending these schools does not count. Most of these students are not even aware of match rates, and they are definitely not aware of the fact that there is an internship crisis. Students need to be responsible and do their homework when thinking about graduate school, but these schools need to be held accountable as well.

You mentioned the Chicago School of Professional Psychology. One of these schools has been lying to students about their lack of accreditation status. I do not know why you would want to promote this school.

I do not know how you can say that those with a PsyD from an unaccredited program have no problems finding jobs? Have you actually read job descriptions for clinical psychologists? They state, "must have graduated from an accredited program."

You often disseminate false information, and I usually just roll my eyes, but when I read a post like this, I feel I need to respond, just in case a student browsing this forum is thinking about going to one of these schools, and reads your post full of false information.

 

[OneNeuroDoctor]

The program I graduated from was a PsyD professional school National Registered Program. I matched at an APA accredited internship. I am working at a Private Psychiatric Hospital and part-time independent practice.

I keep in touch with most of the graduates from my program. All are licensed. Some have thriving independent practice, Three are faculty members at University Training programs in clinical psychology. Some are working in State Hospitals. Everyone has completed their internships, postdoc, and became licensed.

All of the facts you are claiming do not seem to be happening in the real world. When I attend State Psychological Association Conferences or the APA Conference and socialize with colleagues, people are not concerned about where I graduated from or my type of degree.

All of the individuals I know who attended similar programs as my program are working as psychologist and did not have problems acquiring internships or jobs.

This may seems to be bogus to you but this is my world of experience. We actually had some students transfer from PhD APA accredited programs to our PsyD professional psychology program due to dissatisfaction with the quality of training in the PhD program and they had a specific area of interest similar to a faculty member at my school.

Related to using the EPPP and internship match rate to determine quality of a training program, extraneous variable need to be considered. People who don't pass the EPPP the first time often pass it by the third time. Some were already licensed as LPC and continue to work using their LPC license since reimbursement rate is equivalent. As one poster mentioned there is a shortage of internships and it would be a commonly held assumption that most APA accredited sites would select applicants from APA accredited programs over applicants from non APA accredited programs. Individual variable need to be evaluated as some applicants are not interested in APA accredited internships and they find a compatible site to meet their needs.

Regarding student loans, it may be common to have $200,000 or more in student loans but many of us qualify for help with paying back loans and some students are actually wealthy or family pays for their training. Usually payments are based on income variables.

Pertaining to advertisements specifying graduation from an APA accredited program, my current job was advertised in the APA Career section specifying an APA program and internship and I was selected for the position. Being from a NR program and completing an APA accredited internship is equivalent. However, before our program became NR, it did not interfere with students gaining internships and quality jobs. Some of our graduates are Clinical Training Directors at APA accredited internships and they did not complete an APA accredited internship.

We are very fortunate to have some diversity of training programs for professional psychology in either PhD or PsyD models. By having different training models, individuals may choose which models best matches their interest levels.

 

[WisNeuro]

Yes, you have an experience that is atypical of PsyD practitioners given that higher numbers go to diploma mills due to very high enrollment numbers. Go look at the APA salary survey numbers. PsyD's on average earn 10k less a year, more than 20% have more than 160k in loans, a very high percentage owes at least 100k. Certain boards are going to be passing rules in the coming years that an APA-accredited internship is required to be boarded. Some states require boarding to bill for certain psychological services. These are facts.

As for the internship "crisis." It's a problem of supply, not demand. I know of very few non-rural places where psychologist positions don't get a ton of applicants for every posted job. I do know of some places that are vastly over-saturated with providers though.

This is the real world, and this landscape is changing. People are going to make their choices, but you shouldn't willfully mislead people into taking a path that is only going to encounter more roadblocks as they go forward and that real word landscape changes and leaves them behind.

 

[erg923]

The program I graduated from was a PsyD professional school National Registered Program. I matched at an APA accredited internship. I am working at a Private Psychiatric Hospital and part-time independent practice.

I keep in touch with most of the graduates from my program. All are licensed. Some have thriving independent practice, Three are faculty members at University Training programs in clinical psychology. Some are working in State Hospitals. Everyone has completed their internships, postdoc, and became licensed.

All of the facts you are claiming do not seem to be happening in the real world. When I attend State Psychological Association Conferences or the APA Conference and socialize with colleagues, people are not concerned about where I graduated from or my type of degree.

All of the individuals I know who attended similar programs as my program are working as psychologist and did not have problems acquiring internships or jobs.

This may seems to be bogus to you but this is my world of experience. We actually had some students transfer from PhD APA accredited programs to our PsyD professional psychology program due to dissatisfaction with the quality of training in the PhD program and they had a specific area of interest similar to a faculty member at my school.

Related to using the EPPP and internship match rate to determine quality of a training program, extraneous variable need to be considered. People who don't pass the EPPP the first time often pass it by the third time. Some were already licensed as LPC and continue to work using their LPC license since reimbursement rate is equivalent. As one poster mentioned there is a shortage of internships and it would be a commonly held assumption that most APA accredited sites would select applicants from APA accredited programs over applicants from non APA accredited programs. Individual variable need to be evaluated as some applicants are not interested in APA accredited internships and they find a compatible site to meet their needs.

Regarding student loans, it may be common to have $200,000 or more in student loans but many of us qualify for help with paying back loans and some students are actually wealthy or family pays for their training. Usually payments are based on income variables.

Pertaining to advertisements specifying graduation from an APA accredited program, my current job was advertised in the APA Career section specifying an APA program and internship and I was selected for the position. Being from a NR program and completing an APA accredited internship is equivalent. However, before our program became NR, it did not interfere with students gaining internships and quality jobs. Some of our graduates are Clinical Training Directors at APA accredited internships and they did not complete an APA accredited internship.

We are very fortunate to have some diversity of training programs for professional psychology in either PhD or PsyD models. By having different training models, individuals may choose which models best matches their interest levels.

None of this addresses your habit of posting false facts. You have been doing this for a while and have been told by numerous posters to fact check your posts (I corrected your statement about APA accreditation timeline just the other day). You continue not to take this advice, however. Is there a reason for this?

 

[463951]

The program I graduated from was a PsyD professional school National Registered Program. I matched at an APA accredited internship. I am working at a Private Psychiatric Hospital and part-time independent practice.

Individual variable need to be evaluated as some applicants are not interested in APA accredited internships and they find a compatible site to meet their needs.

Regarding student loans, it may be common to have $200,000 or more in student loans but many of us qualify for help with paying back loans and some students are actually wealthy or family pays for their training. Usually payments are based on income variables.

Pertaining to advertisements specifying graduation from an APA accredited program, my current job was advertised in the APA Career section specifying an APA program and internship and I was selected for the position. Being from a NR program and completing an APA accredited internship is equivalent.

We are very fortunate to have some diversity of training programs for professional psychology in either PhD or PsyD models. By having different training models, individuals may choose which models best matches their interest levels.

What is the National Registered Program?

You are right – a minority of students do not care much about APA accredited internships for whatever reason. Some of these unaccredited sites are horrible though. From my understanding, all sites will need to be accredited by the APA beginning in 2018.

That's a **** load of money. Wealthy family or not, I can think of about 100 other things to spend your money on.

As @WisNeuro pointed out, this is not the norm, and you act like it is. You sound like the recruiters from these professional schools.

Never said anything about the PsyD degree. I was talking about the professional schools.

 

[cara susanna]

The program I graduated from was a PsyD professional school National Registered Program. I matched at an APA accredited internship. I am working at a Private Psychiatric Hospital and part-time independent practice.

That's great that you were able to get an APA-accredited internship. I know other people from professional schools who landed APA-accredited internships and have pretty great post docs now. However, that is not the norm. It's all about the average, which is shown by APPIC's data to be pretty low. And someone refusing to do an APA accredited internship just because they want to stay local is in my opinion irresponsible to the field.

 

[erg923]

This may seems to be bogus to you but this is my world of experience.

Exactly. And your "world of experience" is: 1.) atypical for an Argosy grad when looking at published numbers. 2) As mentioned before, is void of many of the activities, responsibilities, and experiences that many student-psychologists seek/aspire to be part of their careers.

 

[MCParent]

I keep in touch with most of the graduates from my program. All are licensed. Some have thriving independent practice, Three are faculty members at University Training programs in clinical psychology. Some are working in State Hospitals. Everyone has completed their internships, postdoc, and became licensed.

I've got to say that I seriously doubt the veracity of your statements. Given EPPP pass rates for programs like those you defend and presumably went to, the above is pretty unlikely. Whether it's intentional deception, cognitive dissonance, or selective memory beats me, but your consistent posting of incorrect or false information doesn't lend credence to statements like this.

 

[463951]

I've got to say that I seriously doubt the veracity of your statements. Given EPPP pass rates for programs like those you defend and presumably went to, the above is pretty unlikely. Whether it's intentional deception, cognitive dissonance, or selective memory beats me, but your consistent posting of incorrect or false information doesn't lend credence to statements like this.

Exactly. I could believe that this person beat the odds and was able to get an APA internship and a job, but to believe that ALL of the graduates from his program are licensed and that some have thriving practices, some are faculty members and whatever else – that's just ridiculous. Not just this post, but this person always seems to "know somebody" in a similar situation on many threads, and these people have always beaten the odds as well. Yet, there is always incorrect information posted along with whatever story @OneNeuroDoctor is sharing. Like, you need "top secret security clearance signed by Obama" to intern at a BOP. Yes, I am exaggerating, I don't remember exactly what he said about this, but I just remember a post like this a while ago, and it being wildly inaccurate, given that I know people who have been through that exact same process.

 

[OneNeuroDoctor]

I was going through our facebook pages and I see one of our students starting a new position as a psychologists in a new outpatient Navy Clinic, another is working at a University Counseling center in Philadelphia, It seems that everyone I am looking up is a licensed psychologist. Most of us did non APA accredited internships, but we are all working as licensed psychologists. Strange that students in my program have obtained success and reached their goals, when others on this thread maintain that doing a non APA accredited program and internship is equivalent to career suicide.

 

[erg923]

I was going through our facebook pages and I see one of our students starting a new position as a psychologists in a new outpatient Navy Clinic, another is working at a University Counseling center in Philadelphia, It seems that everyone I am looking up is a licensed psychologist. Most of us did non APA accredited internships, but we are all working as licensed psychologists. Strange that students in my program have obtained success and reached their goals, when others on this thread maintain that doing a non APA accredited program and internship is equivalent to career suicide.

Yes, because as psychologists we are aware that no one ever lies or exaggerates on Facebook. Good Lord. 🙂

The point is: People are distrustful of your claims. And for good reason.

You seem not to want to address your habit of poor fact checking in your posts. That's fine. But dont be surprised when your claims of Argosy success are then doubted.

 

[WisNeuro]

Well, I'm sure that we can cherry pick a handful of success stories out of any program, no matter how terrible it is. But, since there are giant class sizes, I'm sure we could find even more failure stories. Regardless, I would urge those considering to check out objective numbers.

1) APA accredited internship match rates (not having this limits your employment, which limits your earning potential and flexibility) 2) EPPP pass rate (a proxy measure for both the level of student admitted and how well they prepare you) 3) APA Salary Survey (this shows you your lower average earning potential, as well as the average debt load far exceeding 100k for most who take that route.

At least give them all the data so that they can hopefully make an informed choice. As for me, I enjoyed having 0 debt in grad school from a fully funded program. It makes that first post-fellowship year fantastic 🙂

 

[AcronymAllergy]

Also, for those interested, a calculator for the various loan repayment programs is available here: https://studentloans.gov/myDirectLoan/mobile/repayment/repaymentEstimator.action

As an example, with $150k @ 6% interest (I don't know what the current rate is, so I guesstimated) and earning $65k/year (family size of 1), monthly repayments under the various income-related plans range from about $400 (Pay as You Earn) to just under $900 (Income-Contingent). For $85k/year, the numbers jump to $560-1200/month.

The payments will last for 10 (public sector loan forgiveness) to 20 or 25 (standard) years, assuming those programs are still in place when the deadline is reached. There's already been discussion, per Obama's 2015 budget proposal, of capping the amount forgiven by PSLF to $57,500 for new borrowers and those choosing the Pay as You Earn option, for example. This is important to note because the PAYE option results in the lowest monthly payment, and in the above example, would not be covering the interest of the loan, let alone paying down the principle. Thus, if someone was hoping for forgiveness via PSLF, they would still be on the hook for about $100k in loans afterward. Assuming some semblance of the modification was approved, of course.

 

[QAsPsych]

Honestly the people who go to those programs and succeed would have succeeded anywhere.

I know someone who went to an Argosy, has a great private practice, a side business which includes research aspects, doing very well for herself. The problem is, she is way too smart for that lifestyle. If she had gone to any real school, she would be faculty now. Attending Argosy closed that option for her largely, and deprives the field of what could have been a brilliant researcher. It's the unfortunate truth.

 

[OneNeuroDoctor]

Honestly the people who go to those programs and succeed would have succeeded anywhere.

I know someone who went to an Argosy, has a great private practice, a side business which includes research aspects, doing very well for herself. The problem is, she is way too smart for that lifestyle. If she had gone to any real school, she would be faculty now. Attending Argosy closed that option for her largely, and deprives the field of what could have been a brilliant researcher. It's the unfortunate truth.

No shame in having a private practice. Actual truth could be they had interest in research but they had more interest in clinical practice. In reality you will find many highly successful PsyD graduates in many settings and this includes graduates from professional schools. The program I completed has faculty in medical schools, university training programs, and virtually in all areas of psychology. Thanks for a real world example of a highly successful professional school graduate. You are correct in that they would have been successful in research as well and this is boldly true for most professional school PsyD graduates.

 

[QAsPsych]

You are the most ridiculous.

 

[WisNeuro]

Seriously, I can't decide if it's the highest degree of cognitive dissonance that I've ever seen, or if someone is getting kickbacks from Argosy.

 

[LMK]

I was going through our facebook pages and I see one of our students starting a new position as a psychologists in a new outpatient Navy Clinic, another is working at a University Counseling center in Philadelphia, It seems that everyone I am looking up is a licensed psychologist. Most of us did non APA accredited internships, but we are all working as licensed psychologists. Strange that students in my program have obtained success and reached their goals, when others on this thread maintain that doing a non APA accredited program and internship is equivalent to career suicide.

Ummm, you have to do an APA internship to work in any capacity for the military, including a civilian position in an outpatient clinic.

 

[WisNeuro]

Ummm, you have to do an APA internship to work in any capacity for the military, including a civilian position in an outpatient clinic.

Apparently not in Bizarro world.

 

[QAsPsych]

Seriously, I can't decide if it's the highest degree of cognitive dissonance that I've ever seen, or if someone is getting kickbacks from Argosy.

My opinion is increasingly leaning in the latter direction.

 

[OneNeuroDoctor]

The colleague who recently accepted a job at a Navy outpatient clinic did an APA accredited internship and he is a Navy veteran. I guess they are opening up new outpatient clinics just for active military. Oh...I am not selling snake oil or getting my information from my alien abductions! I am wearing my tin foil hat to keep the aliens out of my head. I am taking my meds!!! 😉

 

[erg923]

Oh...I am not selling snake oil or getting my information from my alien abductions! I am wearing my tin foil hat to keep the aliens out of my head. I am taking my meds!!! 😉

Then why do you so frequently post information that needs to be corrected by other posters?

 

[MCParent]

The colleague who recently accepted a job at a Navy outpatient clinic did an APA accredited internship

I was going through our facebook pages and I see one of our students starting a new position as a psychologists in a new outpatient Navy Clinic, another is working at a University Counseling center in Philadelphia, It seems that everyone I am looking up is a licensed psychologist. Most of us did non APA accredited internships, but we are all working as licensed psychologists.

Do you see from these two posts why your posts are viewed as intentionally inaccurate by others?

 

[Ollie123]

I'm actually starting to think 4410 made a new account😉

 

[463951]

4410? Banned user I am guessing?

 

[WisNeuro]

Yes, from the long, long ago time. "thousands of years ago, before Sigourney Weaver..."

 

[CogNeuroGuy]

To the OP: Like another poster had mentioned, take the advice (professional as it is) with a grain of salt. You end up debating about more things than you originally came into asking in the first place. If the Psy.D. is the option you find to best provide you the ability to attain your goals (whatever they may be), neither myself, nor the other handful of typical posters on here should dissuade you. You should definitely use the information on here in context to how it is provided, it is nowhere near representative of all psychologists, not even a slight majority.

I would say that finances are personal, your goals are personal, your situation is personal, debating/explaining 15+ years of your background, struggles and perceptions to strangers probably wont help you find the answers you were looking for in your original post. To summarize and capitalize on yet another poster's comments...your credentials could be the factor(s) associated with you going this path, and if that is the case, you really don't need to explain yourself to anyone here. It is reality that students who did poorly in their undergrad may have to take alternative routes in attaining a goal. For example: I may not operate like many people in my cohort, that is fine, I am not worried about how THEY do a task, but how I can do it in context to what I have to work with. I may spend a little longer reading articles or data, but recognizing my limitations, I operate the most optimally that I can.

So, to round out my $.2s before I go back into hiding from this forum and to preparing a lecture I have to give tomorrow...if you have a plan, a means to achieve it, understand what is at risk and can reasonably attain your goal(s) with what you have to work with, I would explore it. I am not a Ph.D. psychologist, but at the same time, psychologists are people too, and they all come from varying beliefs and backgrounds and are prone to human error.

Hope this helps...and good luck.