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Tuition + Ridiculous secondary is exactly why i have ZERO respect for MSU
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Tuition + Ridiculous secondary is exactly why i have ZERO respect for MSU
People here laugh, but yes, salaries are going up, but that's mainly due to doctors seeing more patients.
Can I see your data on this? Because according the AMA doctors salaries haven't even kept up with inflation over the last 10 years.
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Most the numbers being corrected are for 2010-2011 tuition.
That's a different criteria. Salaries have gone up, but have they kept up with inflation? I doubt it, as practically no jobs these days do. http://www.beckershospitalreview.com/hospital-financial-and-business-news/10-current-healthcare-employment-and-compensation-trends.html
According to this, Physician salaries are expected to go up by 2.3% in 2011. For comparison, nurse salaries are expected to go up by 2.7%, but of course, that is a much smaller absolute number.
When salaries don't keep up with inflation it becomes a pay cut, so while I would agree that salaries are increasing, they are also steadily decreasing since the value of the dollar is decreasing faster than their pay raises. There are definitely other fields that have this problem as well, but that doesn't take away from the fact that pay is not technically increasing, but rather decreasing.
http://www.fiercehealthcare.com/story/study-physician-compensation-not-keeping-inflation/2009-06-23
Shows some of the deficits.
Even looking at the link you provided, assuming 4% inflation, physicians are at a deficit of 1.7%.
http://www.com.msu.edu/ss/scholarships.html
"Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine Non-Resident Student Scholarship" - Gives IS rates for OOS students. Applies to three years of school. It's extremely competitive to get it (about seven people get it).
IMO you'd be crazy to attend without that scholarship or a military scholarship - though the cost ends up being around the same as anyone attending UNECOM aka ridiculously expensive. Don't let people tell you the cost of school does not matter. Of course MSU intentionally favors IS students since it's a state funded school and wants to create graduates who stick around.
Yeah, what a dilemma that would be. Imagine, applied to 10 schools, only MSUCOM accepts you. I'd probably go there, though 320k for tuition is really pushing it.
lol. Well IMO - primary care and lowering paying specialities would be out of the question at that point. Ironically, literally all of the OOS students I know at MSU are interested in ortho
Also I know the majority of D.O. schools are private but damn the tuition is absurd at most of them.
Done. Thanks everyone!
That's assuming 4% which inflation is nowhere near(try sub 2%). 4% inflation would be a level which hasn't been seen in the US since the 70's. When prices go up and wages stagnate or go down is is stagflation and that is a very serious problem that will make the news nightly. Strictly speaking as physicians you occupy the top 5% of earners(top 1% in many specialties) and economic trends have favored this group more than any other in the last 20 years. Given the loans ill have I would invite some serious inflation, it would make repayment less painful.
I know this is an old thread that got bumped but holy crap at MWU tuition hikes!
Then or now? Was there a recent hike?
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The 2010 tuition was ~$45-46k and then in 2011 it jumped to ~$50k. It's currently up to $54k at CCOM and $52k at AZCOM
for the coming year... $58,030 for AZCOM and $59,826 for CCOM. not including fees.
Hmm, I guess I pulled up the wrong CIB.
Geeze, that's like going to LECOM twice!
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Its actually really cool/depressing to see this increase of price over the years. Has the teaching at these schools gotten that much better to justify the 10K price bump?
Yup... messed up.
Not by that much.
I will admit the students at AZCOM are really bright and the school spends a good amount of resources reevaluating how things are going.
I remember the dean mentioned they take feedback from preceptorship and see how to improve. It was the only place that mentioned they are constantly trying to improve.
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No, its greed plain and simple. Your professors and preceptors probably care about you to the owners of the school your just cashflow. Even Ivy leagues with their high tuition give lots of aid to those that cannot afford it.
I just LOLed so hard at this that OMM-kool-aid just came out of my nose.
I think most of this money goes toward high-up admin that keep poking and prodding that poor old PhD whose english is his 4th language to "Teach, Teach!" When we all know he's at Private University's COM teaching because no self-respecting undergraduate biology department was willing to roll the dice on a lecturer that rambles about god-only-knows-what for 50 minutes before he realizes that he's on slide 4 of 45.
That is the reason I cancelled my interviews at ATSU-SOMA and Touro-NV
Ouch, do I detect some bitterness? Yeah, the few lectures we actually have aren't really like that here. You're making me glad I chose a PBL curriculum.
That said, don't be so down on your prof, I'm sure he'd get a job at a number of undergrad places, but at COMP he gets to shape the minds of future healers! (only partly joking - I'm sure that's why some people work at med schools as opposed to CCs or random small colleges)
After seeing these COM tuition, I guess I should stop complaining about my 32k/year... I think WVSOM has not had an increase, but 50k in 2012 and 50k now is still ridiculous...
haha, yes some bitterness. I was shocked when I found out that I was paying top-dollar for some really, really awful lectures. Some are ok. Some are just downright pathetic. They literally have no business mumbling in front of a crowd and confusing themselves in their explanations. A few are phenomenal! I've never encountered such lecture incompetence in my 1 CC and 2 state universities college career.
You said it best on another thread, ultimately we're each responsible for our own education. I rely probably 60-70% on outside resources for my education. Which is sad because we're basically paying the school to certify that we've jumped through the appropriate hoops--Not to teach us much.
Yeah. That's med school. Its definitely mostly on us.
