Any thoughts?
VCOM. If you've been to either school you'll see why.
There's an old thread about this topic (exactly dcom vs. vcom). You should look it up
Been to both. I am thinking LMU-DCOM.
I also found the old thread about this. That was from a year ago, and I just wanted to see if anyone had some recent thoughts.
VCOM may have a reputation of being around for a while but thats about it. DCOM is working on the best reputation for all DO schools. Ask any attending who has seen their students and they will tell you the same.VCOM, older school with more reputation behind their name.
VCOM may have a reputation of being around for a while but thats about it. DCOM is working on the best reputation for all DO schools. Ask any attending who has seen their students and they will tell you the same.
How can you back this up? That attending would also have to have students from every other schools rotate through to be a judge of that. I believe that it could be an excellent school, but have the best DO reputation?
I think what he/she meant was they are very satisfied with the students coming from DCOM.
Best DO reputation? The best? You can't say for sure than what school has a DO reputation using your logic. No offense!
I will attend LMU so I am biased, but as much as I saw it will have a great reputation among DO schools in the near future. (considering it is a fairly new school).
Also, attending a school just because it has "the best DO reputation" is pretty stupid to me.Again, no offense. There are much more important factors to consider when you pick your school.
I said they are WORKING on having the best reputation, not that they have it. But I guess that is the mission statement of every school. I just know that DCOM is doing things differently than most schools and it has really shined through in the students they have sent to rotations so far.
I said they are WORKING on having the best reputation, not that they have it. But I guess that is the mission statement of every school. I just know that DCOM is doing things differently than most schools and it has really shined through in the students they have sent to rotations so far.
I said they are WORKING on having the best reputation, not that they have it. But I guess that is the mission statement of every school. I just know that DCOM is doing things differently than most schools and it has really shined through in the students they have sent to rotations so far.
Thanks Grace! I hope some current students can add to this opinion. Also, since they are a new school that has provisional accredidation, do you have to take out private loans? Does anyone know how hard it would be to get all rotations in Knoxville (except electives)? Is this year the first class to participate in a match? Thank everyone!
Ok, well DCOM is one of the schools I haven't researched all that much so could you tell me what they are doing differently than other schools?
I looked over there clinical rotations and I'm concerned about the size of the hospitals and medical centers...I mean I recognize that most schools have a blend of sites, but maybe you can give your insight into there clinical years for me.
As for what DCOM is doing differently: They put a heavy focus on clinical medicine through a 4 semester course called essentials of patient care. One of the professors calls it "real doctor stuff" because it is all hands-on. You will learn: full H&P's, CXR, LP, central venous access, airway management, ACLS, PALS, Rx writing, suturing, bone marrow biopsy, surgical scrubbing, intubation, full orthopedic exams, CPR and the list goes on. They also have about 5 simulation labs and 5 objective skills clinical assessment exams each semester. The point is that they want you to be the best student on every rotation. The feedback so far has been amazing. 3rd year students from DCOM are outperforming most 4th year students.
As for what DCOM is doing differently: They put a heavy focus on clinical medicine through a 4 semester course called essentials of patient care. One of the professors calls it "real doctor stuff" because it is all hands-on. You will learn: full H&P's, CXR, LP, central venous access, airway management, ACLS, PALS, Rx writing, suturing, bone marrow biopsy, surgical scrubbing, intubation, full orthopedic exams, CPR and the list goes on. They also have about 5 simulation labs and 5 objective skills clinical assessment exams each semester. The point is that they want you to be the best student on every rotation. The feedback so far has been amazing. 3rd year students from DCOM are outperforming most 4th year students.
I don't know about VCOM but I've heard that LMU assigns rotation spots to people. I don't know how they do it but you do get to stay in one city unlike VCOM. I don't know if VCOM changed that aspect of their school curriculum but you can never underestimate the value of not having to stay at a hampton inn for months at a time. Also, don't underestimate having a choice in where you rotate for half of your med school career.
VCOM is starting an orthopedic surgery residency in a year or two, so that would be one advantage. We've also had several grads work their way into good ortho residencies as well. Other than that, working hard at either school would probably help you land a good spot. LMU students have just started their rotational years, so over time we'll see how all the clinical sites work out.
Peds shouldn't be a problem at either school, as it is one of the less competitive fields.
VCOM is starting an orthopedic surgery residency in a year or two, so that would be one advantage. We've also had several grads work their way into good ortho residencies as well. Other than that, working hard at either school would probably help you land a good spot. LMU students have just started their rotational years, so over time we'll see how all the clinical sites work out.
Peds shouldn't be a problem at either school, as it is one of the less competitive fields.
Now I might be biased as I just got accepted to DCOM and am definitely wanting to go there, but I would say DEFINITELY go there if you feel more comfortable there. I went with my gut like this in undergrad and sure I ended up in a lot more debt, but I would never take it back because I am so happy with the experience I had. Intuition exists for a reason. I don't know how far away you live with each, but if you can, visit one or both of the schools again. That might help. Good luck- it's a great position to be in really!I heard that DCOM was going to start an orthopedic surgery residency as well.
It's a tough choice for me. I liked the students at DCOM more than I liked the students at VCOM. It seemed like both DCOM and VCOM recruited two totally different types of students. I felt like that I would fit in better at DCOM, but others will feel like they fit in better at VCOM. "Different strokes for different folks." It doesn't really matter to me if I am Blacksburg or Harrogate. Both schools have top notch faculty members. Both schools have nice facilities. VCOM has been around longer. I'm leaning toward DCOM just because that's where I feel like I would fit in. The only reason why VCOM would win out is because it has been around a few more years, and they already have people in some very nice residency programs. VCOM's first class had very good residency placements...who's to say that the same thing won't happen at DCOM. Decisions, decisions...
I heard that DCOM was going to start an orthopedic surgery residency as well.
It's a tough choice for me. I liked the students at DCOM more than I liked the students at VCOM. It seemed like both DCOM and VCOM recruited two totally different types of students. I felt like that I would fit in better at DCOM, but others will feel like they fit in better at VCOM. "Different strokes for different folks." It doesn't really matter to me if I am Blacksburg or Harrogate. Both schools have top notch faculty members. Both schools have nice facilities. VCOM has been around longer. I'm leaning toward DCOM just because that's where I feel like I would fit in. The only reason why VCOM would win out is because it has been around a few more years, and they already have people in some very nice residency programs. VCOM's first class had very good residency placements...who's to say that the same thing won't happen at DCOM. Decisions, decisions...
Wow, after interviewing at both I completely agree with you. I liked the DCOM students so much more! BUT the agenda of VCOM fits me more than DCOM. The nice thing about VCOM is that they already graduated students. Anyway, good luck.
for what it's worth, I really like my classmates here at VCOM. We hang out a lot after class, study together, help each other out with notes before exams, go out and celebrate after test day, etc. so there's no lack of social fabric or cohesiveness here.
I have no doubt about that. I'm not trying to slam VCOM at all. The VCOM students were too "Type-A" for my taste. They may not have been representative of the whole class. All of the DCOM students were very down to earth. Like I said, it just appeared that the two schools recruited two totally different types of students. I'm not saying that one is better than the other. The demeanor of the DCOM students just appealed to me more than that of the VCOM students. Simple as that.
I don't want you to call anyone names or anything, but do you mean the DCOM students were friendlier? Or more out-going? Open-minded? I'm just curious as I am trying to determine the list of places I plan on applying to. Since DCOM is so new I am hesitant about it, but from reading the threads on it the students really love it so I am thinking of adding it to my list.
I'll post up more thoughts since I recently made this decision and have a unique position having interviewed at DCOM twice. The first time I interviewed (2 years ago) at DCOM, I loved it, either because it was my first and only interview anywhere or I genuinely loved the school. I thought the technology in the building was great and that all of the faculty were interested in getting to know me. The second time interviewing (this cycle) I was less impressed. The technology was still there but the faculty, specifically the interviewers acted like it was a chore having me there. There was no conversation to the interviews, just each interviewer taking turns asking me questions. I tried to lighten the mood a little by joking slightly and all I got was a wry pity smile. Another thing that negatively affected me was the wide spread of rotation sites. Sure there's the positive spin about having a wide variety of experiences but rotations in Memphis do not interest me, way too far away. All of the students were easy to talk to and very enthusiastic about their school. I received the acceptance and was very happy to know I would be SOMEWHERE next fall and not in my perpetual improving my medical school application cycle.
When I interviewed at VCOM, it was the best interview day of any that I've had so far. The presentations were informative and lunch was great. Each of the faculty I interviewed with showed genuine interest in finding out who I was. They talked with me and let the conversation run it's course, not just firing the questions off the paper. The anatomy lab at VCOM was great. I liked the way their OMM classes were setup where 2-3 students per room and each room had a practicing physician for guidance. The tour of Blacksburg was fun and the VaTech campus was impressive. I also liked the rotation sites at VCOM better, they seemed more centralized. The icing on the cake for me at VCOM was their involvement in rural clinics, RAM, and the international medicine opportunities in Latin America.
Between two great programs it was a tough decision but I went with VCOM for a lot of reasons. VCOM felt more like an environment I would be comfortable in. The students at VCOM loved their school, but not in the "we drank the koolaid" sort of way that some DCOM students come across to me. I would have been happy and excelled in either program, I am sure of it. The deciding factor for me, despite all of the stated above pros and cons of each school was a program that my significant other could attend. At DCOM, we would have had to live half way between LMU and UT because LMU has no graduate program of interest to them. At Virginia Tech, there is a great program for them which won't add a long commute into the stingy time requirements of either of our programs of study. In medical school, time will be an important commodity.
I think it is unfair to judge the school based on the actual interview itself. Each school conducts interviews a different way depending on the format set out by the admissions committee. Some schools have conversational interviews while others they ask specific questions that the admissions committee uses to gauge each student. I have actually been an interviewer before (at my old job, not for medical school) and was told not to smile or nod because sometimes students are surprised by the outcome of interviews, despite getting that positive feedback initially from the interviewer.
Anyway, I choose DCOM over PCOM. As you probably noticed by this forum, a lot of people agree that PCOM is one of the best osteopathic medical schools around. It was a tough choice. However, after talking to many students I feel that I made the right choice with DCOM. When making my choice, I did not contact any of the students from the pizza night or tour because I know those are the students that probably have the most favorable impressions of their school. I contacted random students on facebook that were part of the DCOM network and asked for their honest opinion. A lot of students I talked to also turned down some a lot more established schools to attend DCOM and do not regret their decision at all.
When you attend interviews, you will notice that each school has a different personality. I choose DCOM because I feel that I will excel there. I liked the smaller class size and the attitude of the students .. The first two years of medical school suck so you might as well be in a place where you feel comfortable and supported.
The faculty at DCOM is excellent! They recruited the best professors from all over. When you start youre assigned faculty mentor to help guide you and make sure youre on the right track. The staff is also extremely nice and gracious and I loved that. They really prepare students for the board exams so that was also a big plus for me.
The third years that I talked to told me about how prepared they were for their rotations and how they know more than some of the interns. Also, on rotations you are either 2:1 or 1:1 with a doctor and I think thats awesome.
To the originally poster: Ive never been to VCOM but I am sure you wont go wrong with either school. It sounds like both schools have a great curriculum and state of the art technology. Also- remember, VCOM was also a new school just a few years ago. I'm pretty sure DCOM will have excellent residency placements as well. Go with where you felt the most comfortable and where you will fit in the best. Good luck!
def go where you feel most comfortable. I had a chance to go to a school in a nice location with beautiful weather, which had a stellar matchlist, good faculty, etc. etc. but I simply hated their curriculum after attending one class. All of its positives didn't make up for the fact that I could be miserable there. most students that I've met are happy where they go to school...there's no reason to be the bitter sour one at yours. Go where you'd be most happy.
I went to the pizza night before my interview at dcom. I told the student host that I had interviewed at VCOM the week before, and she said, "well, WE'RE better." Kinda turned me off, especially since my mind was almost made up at that point.
this particular school (not DCOM) used PBL; I thought it would be an awesome idea of independent studying. then, they stuck us in a room with the students during a group session. I almost fell asleep.
I like having a little more structure in my educatioon.