Locum Agencies and Noncompete

[anonanes]

I've run into some issues with non-compete clauses and locum contracts - worst contenders are the agencies that monopolize the market (CHG Healthcare owned - LT Medical (Locum tenens), CompHealth, and Weatherby). Recommend avoiding them if at all possible.

Most of the standard contracts have a 2year noncompete fine print in them - but if you go back and forth with them - they will come around and change it to 1 year. Your handler or bookie - or whatever you want to call this salesman - will tell you they can't change it but after saying you're not going to work with them - they will change it to 1 year.

Most of the larger companies (listed above) run by having a higher profit margin so pay locum docs less and pocket more. Looks like some of the smaller/lesser known agencies are willing to have a smaller profit margin to get their foot in the door.

I'm not sure if anyone else has had this issue before but I'm working and have worked at a facility where colleagues of mine with smaller named agencies work at the same place and are paid more. After working in the OR with CMO of hospital, I learn that hospital pays each agency the same amount of $/hr/day for locum doc - which goes in line with what I wrote earlier regarding profit margins for locum agencies.

I'd like to jump ship and work for other agency that is paying more but the average "buy out" for the CHG owned agencies - LocumTenens, Weatherby, and CompHealth is 30-50k. They state some BS that they cannot "release" me from my contract - complete BS. Other agency will not pay the "buy out" and said they will not proceed until formally released by Weatherby. (Other agency is Medicus - likely no better at the core, but they overall pay more).

Since the FTC has formally banned noncompetes - does it matter? Has anyone else run into similar issues or have any thoughts? I've learned to avoid CHG Healthcare locums agencies like the plague and recommend the same to anyone looking into doing locums. I've since left working for them - on good terms with the hospital - and willing to go back and work there with the other agency but I have this "noncompete" thing lingering in the background.

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[Innominate]

The FTC rule is not yet in effect, so it's hard to say... But, how about this scenario playing out right now in a state that bans noncompetes (CA, ND, MN, OK). If anyone has experience on how things currently play out there, especially if it is specific to locums contracts, it'd be a good indicator of how things *could* play out Nationally in the future. Remember, non-solicit and NDA clauses are still enforceable.

Your example is a good one. Let's say you live out of state and have previously worked with CHG in MN. It is now a year later, and the contract CHG has with the facility is in the clear (those are usually 1 year). Your terms, however, specify 2 years before you can work with the client. But, it's a no-noncompete state. Are you in the clear?

 

[narcotics999]

The FTC rule is not yet in effect, so it's hard to say... But, how about this scenario playing out right now in a state that bans noncompetes (CA, ND, MN, OK). If anyone has experience on how things currently play out there, especially if it is specific to locums contracts, it'd be a good indicator of how things *could* play out Nationally in the future. Remember, non-solicit and NDA clauses are still enforceable.

Your example is a good one. Let's say you live out of state and have previously worked with CHG in MN. It is now a year later, and the contract CHG has with the facility is in the clear (those are usually 1 year). Your terms, however, specify 2 years before you can work with the client. But, it's a no-noncompete state. Are you in the clear?

I worked with a small agency in CA. I was given a standard contract with non-compete. The agency is in WI. Went to CA gov website and gave the recruiter the citation. Non-compete removed.

Attorney General Bonta Reminds Employers and Workers That Noncompete Agreements Are Not Enforceable Under California Law

Noncompete agreements are widespread, affecting an estimated 20-25% of the nation’s labor force OAKLAND – California Attorney General Rob Bonta today issued an alert reminding employers and workers that noncompete agreements are not enforceable in California. Noncompete agreements generally...

oag.ca.gov

The above is from CA AG office, as good as it can be.

The tricky part is that often the staffing companies are in states honoring non-compete. In contract it is often stated that any legal dispute will be contested in the state of the staffing company (eg Medicus, NH). So better remove non-compete based on the assignment location from the beginning.

 

[Innominate]

It's stuff like this that still worries me slightly, as a resident of a state that does allow non-competes:

"California law prohibits employers, including those who operate out of state but employ **California residents**, from enforcing noncompete agreements."

Also, they could still try to make a case on breach of the NDA or non-solicit. Might still be enough to scare either me or the facility away.

 

[IVdoc]

I have done some locums but with smaller agencies. They have told me no noncompetes with them which I assumed are noncompetes with other agencies for other hospital location jobs. Two agencies told me no noncompete with other agencies for different locums assignments. But if I was "name cleared" for a specific locums gig at a hospital for X locums agency that I could not work with another agency for the same hospital locums job that I was named cleared by the first agency for 1 year. Is that what most people doing locums have been informed by the agencies? I live in a bigger city with locums jobs but decline to take those locums jobs because all the postings are with Staffcare and AMN. I feel like once my hometown hospitals decide not to use locums that if I am bound to Staffcare or AMN that I will not be able to get a permanent job with those hometown hospitals for 1-2 years. So I do travel for the locums jobs even though there are locums jobs locally with Staffcare and AMN. If anyone is a long time locums doc, please chime in on this topic.

 

[jthedestroyr]

I just negotiated out it to 6months. Happy medium, company feels like they got something and I nailed it down to 6 months. They were surprised I did it. Actually you can change your contract and if they sign it, they agreed to the contract.

 

[caligas]

If they really need someone wouldn’t they just drop the non compete? Non compete for a locums doc makes no sense anyway. Isnt that what a locums does, go from place to place?

IDK, I’ve been at the same place 15 years so I’m obviously clueless about this

 

[jthedestroyr]

Yes, and no. They do not want to drop the none compete since agency is making an insane amount too, as if they like you, they can drop agency, sign you directly and cut out middle man. I did try doing this a few years ago, but hospitals were greedy and would give me the agency published rate. Makes absolutely no sense, but with his market, I am being more aggressive and going directly to hospitals for the ask now.

Apparently the threat of ORs closing, is enough to scare them to pay finally. Covid helped show a bunch of admin what happens when ORs close.

 

[anonanes]

The FTC rule is not yet in effect, so it's hard to say... But, how about this scenario playing out right now in a state that bans noncompetes (CA, ND, MN, OK). If anyone has experience on how things currently play out there, especially if it is specific to locums contracts, it'd be a good indicator of how things *could* play out Nationally in the future. Remember, non-solicit and NDA clauses are still enforceable.

Your example is a good one. Let's say you live out of state and have previously worked with CHG in MN. It is now a year later, and the contract CHG has with the facility is in the clear (those are usually 1 year). Your terms, however, specify 2 years before you can work with the client. But, it's a no-noncompete state. Are you in the clear?

This is for the state of FL - hospital is based there. I'm not sure where CHG/Weatherby is based.

 

[anonanes]

I worked with a small agency in CA. I was given a standard contract with non-compete. The agency is in WI. Went to CA gov website and gave the recruiter the citation. Non-compete removed.

Attorney General Bonta Reminds Employers and Workers That Noncompete Agreements Are Not Enforceable Under California Law

Noncompete agreements are widespread, affecting an estimated 20-25% of the nation’s labor force OAKLAND – California Attorney General Rob Bonta today issued an alert reminding employers and workers that noncompete agreements are not enforceable in California. Noncompete agreements generally...

oag.ca.gov

The above is from CA AG office, as good as it can be.

The tricky part is that often the staffing companies are in states honoring non-compete. In contract it is often stated that any legal dispute will be contested in the state of the staffing company (eg Medicus, NH). So better remove non-compete based on the assignment location from the beginning.

Yeah - the best I've been able to do is get this companies to cut down to 1 year. They're all trash and devious. Sucks working with a bunch of snakes but it is what it is. Thanks for sharing this.

 

[anonanes]

I have done some locums but with smaller agencies. They have told me no noncompetes with them which I assumed are noncompetes with other agencies for other hospital location jobs. Two agencies told me no noncompete with other agencies for different locums assignments. But if I was "name cleared" for a specific locums gig at a hospital for X locums agency that I could not work with another agency for the same hospital locums job that I was named cleared by the first agency for 1 year. Is that what most people doing locums have been informed by the agencies? I live in a bigger city with locums jobs but decline to take those locums jobs because all the postings are with Staffcare and AMN. I feel like once my hometown hospitals decide not to use locums that if I am bound to Staffcare or AMN that I will not be able to get a permanent job with those hometown hospitals for 1-2 years. So I do travel for the locums jobs even though there are locums jobs locally with Staffcare and AMN. If anyone is a long time locums doc, please chime in on this topic.

Yes generally speaking. They tell you that you cannot work at the same hospital with a different locums agency. Now if you were to be employed by the hospital there or whomever has the anesthesia contract there - they can "buy" you out of that locums contract for a nominal fee.

That's the issue I ran into - I do not want to work with CHG/Weatherby anymore at a FL hospital. There are other agencies that staff there and pay more - Weatherby doesn't really have docs there anymore.

All these agencies - particularly Weatherby and LocumTenens use this phrase "we have your best interest" - but as someone whose been doing locums full time over for around 4-5 years - this is far from the truth.

 

[anonanes]

There is a fair bit of litigation that I have heard surrounding USAP and non-competes. I'm told (through word of mouth) that USAP does not pursue "noncompete" violations as a reason to file suit but rather pursues suit on the grounds that "doctor credentialing fees and costs" etc. if their docs leave and work in the same town elsewhere.

Just nasty practices - makes you want to leave medicine. Our jobs are stressful enough but then when you have folks in the c-suite and a bunch of goons working from home fearmongering - just lame. Patients are the ones that lose out in the end.

 

[deleted1183938]

Yes generally speaking. They tell you that you cannot work at the same hospital with a different locums agency. Now if you were to be employed by the hospital there or whomever has the anesthesia contract there - they can "buy" you out of that locums contract for a nominal fee.

That's the issue I ran into - I do not want to work with CHG/Weatherby anymore at a FL hospital. There are other agencies that staff there and pay more - Weatherby doesn't really have docs there anymore.

All these agencies - particularly Weatherby and LocumTenens use this phrase "we have your best interest" - but as someone whose been doing locums full time over for around 4-5 years - this is far from the truth.

Get Weatherby to pay you more or find a different job. Your only solution. I was able to match a rate with one of my crappy agencies once I realized I was being paid poorly compared to one of my colleagues. Even after repeated refusal in the beginning to increase my pay. Once they asked me to give more hours I said match the rate and I sent them my friend’s contract and they did.
They can, they just choose not to. Move on. There are other fish in the sea.

 

[Ashers]

Get Weatherby to pay you more or find a different job. Your only solution. I was able to match a rate with one of my crappy agencies once I realized I was being paid poorly compared to one of my colleagues. Even after repeated refusal in the beginning to increase my pay. Once they asked me to give more hours I said match the rate and I sent them my friend’s contract and they did.
They can, they just choose not to. Move on. There are other fish in the sea.

I tried that with Weatherby, and they wanted to cut my hours. I wanted an 8% increase in pay to match other locums, and they wanted to cut my hours by 20%. I left the hospital and took another job.

 

[deleted1183938]

I tried that with Weatherby, and they wanted to cut my hours. I wanted an 8% increase in pay to match other locums, and they wanted to cut my hours by 20%. I left the hospital and took another job.

This is the only way!!!

 

[Status Sciaticus]

who in your opinions have the best rates?
I've used LocumsTenens exclusively until now because the recruiters at Staff Care and AMN have very poor follow-up.
Weatherby has the lowest rates in my experience.

 

[aneftp]

who in your opinions have the best rates?
I've used LocumsTenens exclusively until now because the recruiters at Staff Care and AMN have very poor follow-up.
Weatherby has the lowest rates in my experience.

The best rates aren’t necessary the best working conditions. I can get $450hr now in some areas. I’m just not gonna to kill myself doing it. When the w2 docs are offering to do the trauma 1 hospitals and they want u to cover the women’s and children’s hospitals at night. Those are red flags.

All these companies will shop around just like u are shopping around

 

[jthedestroyr]

who in your opinions have the best rates?
I've used LocumsTenens exclusively until now because the recruiters at Staff Care and AMN have very poor follow-up.
Weatherby has the lowest rates in my experience.

I just started back up in Locums, and Velosource has absolutely crushed it.

My comphealth person, while she’s nice, can’t even touch the rates Velosource offers, not to mention Velosource staff was 1000% better with helping with credentialing. My experience with Comphealth = trash, Weatherby = trash rates, Medicus = not bad rates, Delta = not bad rates, but mainly southern based.

 

[jthedestroyr]

The best rates aren’t necessary the best working conditions. I can get $450hr now in some areas. I’m just not gonna to kill myself doing it. When the w2 docs are offering to do the trauma 1 hospitals and they want u to cover the women’s and children’s hospitals at night. Those are red flags.

All these companies will shop around just like u are shopping around

Man’s this is why nobody should be taking BELOW 375-400/H right now at lowest.

Death Star is even paying 375/H W2 PRN at a place I have credentials at and I had to fight to get 275/H just 2 years ago at this same place.

 

[aneftp]

Man’s this is why nobody should be taking BELOW 375-400/H right now at lowest.

Death Star is even paying 375/H W2 PRN at a place I have credentials at and I had to fight to get 275/H just 2 years ago at this same place.

I’m taking $300/hr w2 prn. Supervise 2-3 rooms. No ob. 10-12 min from my house on my off days. Get done 2-3 pm.

It’s no biggie. Easy gig. Money is money
It’s not my money gig so it’s just side hustle.

Think of this way.

I spend 25 min total in my car. For $2400 w2 prn 1-2 days a month commute time

Vs spending 2 hours in my car driving 1 hour for $2800-3000 1099 1-2 days a month.

So I wood have spent 1.5 extra hours on the road to make $500 extra. In reality. I’m only making $250/300 extra per shift total.

Time and money.

Im home by 320pm on that job I took less money.

Now I wouldn’t do that prn job as my main money maker.

 

[deleted1183938]

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I’m taking $300/hr w2 prn. Supervise 2-3 rooms. No ob. 10-12 min from my house on my off days. Get done 2-3 pm.

It’s no biggie. Easy gig. Money is money
It’s not my money gig so it’s just side hustle.

Think of this way.

I spend 25 min total in my car. For $2400 w2 prn 1-2 days a month commute time

Vs spending 2 hours in my car driving 1 hour for $2800-3000 1099 1-2 days a month.

So I wood have spent 1.5 extra hours on the road to make $500 extra. In reality. I’m only making $250/300 extra per shift total.

Time and money.

Im home by 320pm on that job I took less money.

Now I wouldn’t do that prn job as my main money maker.

But this is W2 close to home. Not 1099. The money you talk about as a locums 1099 is in line with what he or she said.

 

[deleted1183938]

Man’s this is why nobody should be taking BELOW 375-400/H right now at lowest.

Death Star is even paying 375/H W2 PRN at a place I have credentials at and I had to fight to get 275/H just 2 years ago at this same place.

What region is this?

 

[jthedestroyr]

375/H Deathstar rate is a smaller, hard to recruit state on Eastern coast.

I’m in the Midwest on assignment and I know the CRNAs are making near 300/H, while I’m above them, makes me think they would just have solo physician doing cases at my rate, cutting crna out.

I looked at multiple jobs in Florida and laughed at what they’re offering for perm. I could make that doing locums 2 weeks, effectively having 24 weeks off. Every Florida HCA/envision/napa is paying mid 400s, with call + only 8 weeks vacation. That’s insulting !

 

[aneftp]

375/H Deathstar rate is a smaller, hard to recruit state on Eastern coast.

I’m in the Midwest on assignment and I know the CRNAs are making near 300/H, while I’m above them, makes me think they would just have solo physician doing cases at my rate, cutting crna out.

I looked at multiple jobs in Florida and laughed at what they’re offering for perm. I could make that doing locums 2 weeks, effectively having 24 weeks off. Every Florida HCA/envision/napa is paying mid 400s, with call + only 8 weeks vacation. That’s insulting !

Because you are looking at south Florida. (Palm beach to Miami) primarily. And maybe Orlando area. The Sarasota implosion the docs make 650k. Their base is 515k plus other perks before overtime.

Academics in Jacksonville recently raised their pay big time. That’s academics. Because they had an implosion.

It’s a dynamic market

The pay is close to mid 550s with 9 weeks off in most places with just a little bit of extra work. In a place that’s advertised as mid 400s. My friend hit 700k but did 2 weekends a month but still averaged around 50 hrs a week which isn’t bad.

You are just sniffing at wrong places or do not understand different places have different compensation models.

 

[jthedestroyr]

Because you are looking at south Florida. (Palm beach to Miami) primarily. And maybe Orlando area. The Sarasota implosion the docs make 650k. Their base is 515k plus other perks before overtime.

Academics in Jacksonville recently raised their pay big time. That’s academics. Because they had an implosion.

It’s a dynamic market

The pay is close to mid 550s with 9 weeks off in most places with just a little bit of extra work. In a place that’s advertised as mid 400s. My friend hit 700k but did 2 weekends a month but still averaged around 50 hrs a week which isn’t bad.

You are just sniffing at wrong places or do not understand different places have different compensation models.

Disagree respectfully, reached out to other side of Florida including Sarasota group, they offered similar to the other side of Florida.

 

[aneftp]

Disagree respectfully, reached out to other side of Florida including Sarasota group, they offered similar to the other side of Florida.

Huh?

I have the Bradenton package printed out. The Sarasota package last year was very similar.

 

[jthedestroyr]

Maybe it was a different group there ? Was it hospital employeed position ?

I interviewed for the group that was private than got bought out by PE, their offer was terrible, 435k.

I loved the case mix (everything I enjoy in Anesthesia: neuro anesthesia, ortho, thoracotomies), no OB. Although it’s PE, and they are already using “nurse residents,” that made me vomit in my mouth hearing that.

Speaking of offers, I will drop my current offer in another post. I need some input from the more seasoned guys.

 

[aneftp]

Maybe it was a different group there ? Was it hospital employeed position ?

I interviewed for the group that was private than got bought out by PE, their offer was terrible, 435k.

I loved the case mix (everything I enjoy in Anesthesia: neuro anesthesia, ortho, thoracotomies), no OB. Although it’s PE, and they are already using “nurse residents,” that made me vomit in my mouth hearing that.

Speaking of offers, I will drop my current offer in another post. I need some input from the more seasoned guys.

The private group broke up. 40 plus crnas left. It got taken in by the hospital. Level 2 trauma with soveign immunity being hospital employed now

So hospital runs it. I’m sure the offer starts in the 500s before call stipends etc pushing it to the mid 600s if u hustle a little. It’s not a bad deal cause they gotta compete with local places

Sarasota memorial hospital was at the Florida Asa conference last month and has a booth there.

 

[jthedestroyr]

I will have to reach out to Sarasota Memorial.

I signed with a MD only group, but I’m not sure I’m ready to give up CCM. I have a love hate relationship with CCM, I love being the doctor, making the decisions daily, running the unit, but 24/7 for a week straight suuuuuucks.

My hospital just back stabbed us, stating we are going in house also. Which means 7am-7pm or 7pm-7am for a week straight isn’t appealing to me in my 40s.

That home call with Anesthesia sure sounds better now 🙂

 

[IVdoc]

So how do you know what agreement the locums agencies have with the hospitals with non-competes? I've had a locums agency tell me the non-compete with the hospital I did locums with is for 1 year and just with that hospital I did locums with. But then I had another locums agency tell me that that they can't present me for another hospital within the same hospital system because I worked for one hospital or was presented for one hospital within the same system. So for example, if you did locums at an HCA with X agency, does that mean that you can't do locums with another HCA facility in a different state with a different locums agency or that you can't be employed as a hospital employee by HCA or that HCA has to buy you from the locums agency even if it's a different state or city HCA that you did the locums with?

This seems like a worse deal with these locums agencies on the non-competes than with the hospitals themselves. Most hospitals if you work as an employee may have a non-compete within a certain mileage distance for like 1 year. But if these locums agencies are contracting with the hospitals and other locums agencies to say that as the locums physician who worked with them that you will be excluded from all HCAs in the country for 1-2 years then that's ridiculous. The locums company told me, it's a non-compete with one hospital, but what did their contract with the hospital say? These locums agencies seem to run on their own terms and make up their own non-compete rules. Very deceptive practices

 

[aneftp]

One of the crnas is telling me envision “owns” you if you are ever an employee so will never allow u to be 1099? With envoy? Is that even legal? Like she hasn’t worked for envision for 5 years. She works for the university.

I’ve never heard of such things. I signed an envoy locums contract and it’s a 1 year non compete when it’s terminated. But that’s the envoy 1099 side.

But if u are w2? Envison won’t allow u to be 1099 forever??

Same with team health. This newer grad doc told me they won’t let him work 1099 with dy staff in Wisconsin and he’s w2 with team health in Florida.

Like Florida and Wisconsin are completely different markets.

None of this makes sense to me.

 

[IVdoc]

I'm surprised that there aren't lawsuits against these huge million(s) dollar locums agencies for blocking physicians/nurses who do locums at one site from getting employment at another site within the same hospital system at a different city/state. This should be illegal.

This makes me very weary about doing locums. Yes it can be a lot more money and more flexibility in schedule. But what's the trade-off? Not being able to get another locums contract in your home city within the same hospital system even if you didn't work for that hospital system in your home state? Who wants to fly out of their state for 1-2 years to ride-out a noncompete when the locums job in their city is within driving distance and then when the non-compete is done, that locums job in your city may be closed or you can't get a permanent job with that hospital system for 1-2 years in your city. So will the only locums jobs available to a physician in a big city be those that are in remote rural hospitals where there is no hospital system attached to them in a bigger metropolitan area? That's not the flexibility that I thought locums would provide.

 

[Ashers]

One of the crnas is telling me envision “owns” you if you are ever an employee so will never allow u to be 1099? With envoy? Is that even legal? Like she hasn’t worked for envision for 5 years. She works for the university.

I’ve never heard of such things. I signed an envoy locums contract and it’s a 1 year non compete when it’s terminated. But that’s the envoy 1099 side.

But if u are w2? Envison won’t allow u to be 1099 forever??

Same with team health. This newer grad doc told me they won’t let him work 1099 with dy staff in Wisconsin and he’s w2 with team health in Florida.

Like Florida and Wisconsin are completely different markets.

None of this makes sense to me.

I had it where Envision "owned" me and no one could figure out why. I hadn't worked for Envision ever. I never applied for a job with Envision. I was trying to work with Vista who was previously owned by Envision, but they broke away.

It turned out that back in 2015, I applied for a job with the University of Arizona, who had just merged with Banner. Envision then took over the anesthesia group, so because of me applying for a job in 2015, Envision owned me. I only figured it out because every 6 months, I'd get an email telling me about jobs in PHX. I'd tell the lady to stop emailing me, but she wouldn't, and I eventually called her and asked what was up, she said I might have applied for a job, so I was in their email system. I was in their system. I told her to take me out. That is the ONLY way I could feel how Envision got my information and "owned" me.

 

[CopaceticOne]

I had it where Envision "owned" me and no one could figure out why. I hadn't worked for Envision ever. I never applied for a job with Envision. I was trying to work with Vista who was previously owned by Envision, but they broke away.

It turned out that back in 2015, I applied for a job with the University of Arizona, who had just merged with Banner. Envision then took over the anesthesia group, so because of me applying for a job in 2015, Envision owned me. I only figured it out because every 6 months, I'd get an email telling me about jobs in PHX. I'd tell the lady to stop emailing me, but she wouldn't, and I eventually called her and asked what was up, she said I might have applied for a job, so I was in their email system. I was in their system. I told her to take me out. That is the ONLY way I could feel how Envision got my information and "owned" me.

Were you no longer “owned” after that?

 

[aneftp]

I had it where Envision "owned" me and no one could figure out why. I hadn't worked for Envision ever. I never applied for a job with Envision. I was trying to work with Vista who was previously owned by Envision, but they broke away.

It turned out that back in 2015, I applied for a job with the University of Arizona, who had just merged with Banner. Envision then took over the anesthesia group, so because of me applying for a job in 2015, Envision owned me. I only figured it out because every 6 months, I'd get an email telling me about jobs in PHX. I'd tell the lady to stop emailing me, but she wouldn't, and I eventually called her and asked what was up, she said I might have applied for a job, so I was in their email system. I was in their system. I told her to take me out. That is the ONLY way I could feel how Envision got my information and "owned" me.

It’s hard to believe any of envisions previous “owning” anyone survived bankruptcy. Or maybe it did?

The profits sharing from some of the original practices that sold to Sheridan circa 2012-2015 ended with the bankruptcy. Only the original partners got the profits sharing even after sell out (depends how the groups negotiated the profit sharing). Some groups only go 1 year profit sharing. Others got 8-10 years, those were the sweetheart deals and why the original partners stayed on.

 

[Ashers]

It’s hard to believe any of envisions previous “owning” anyone survived bankruptcy. Or maybe it did?

The profits sharing from some of the original practices that sold to Sheridan circa 2012-2015 ended with the bankruptcy. Only the original partners got the profits sharing even after sell out (depends how the groups negotiated the profit sharing). Some groups only go 1 year profit sharing. Others got 8-10 years, those were the sweetheart deals and why the original partners stayed on.

All I know is i couldn't pass a name clear until i had them take me out of their system for just applying for a job that wasn't even an Envision job when I applied. I was looking at locums jobs with Envision in 2022/3, and after all that I decided I really wanted to have nothing to do with them.

 

[Ashers]

Were you no longer “owned” after that?

Correct. But then I hated Envision more than before, and i didn't pursue the jobs anymore.

 

[aneftp]

All I know is i couldn't pass a name clear until i had them take me out of their system for just applying for a job that wasn't even an Envision job when I applied. I was looking at locums jobs with Envision in 2022/3, and after all that I decided I really wanted to have nothing to do with them.

I’m so confused. If u contacted Envison before. U can’t be a 1099?

I haven’t done anything with envoy (1099) since 2022. Never employed by Envison as w2

I may do some prn w2 work for Envison but haven’t done any thing with them ….yet simply because its easy from the guys who have gone through there.

So if I do prn w2?? I can’t do 1099 for envoy?? Even if I’ve been 1099 with envoy at different location.

 

[Ashers]

I’m so confused. If u contacted Envison before. U can’t be a 1099?

I haven’t done anything with envoy (1099) since 2022. Never employed by Envison as w2

I may do some prn w2 work for Envison but haven’t done any thing with them ….yet simply because its easy from the guys who have gone through there.

So if I do prn w2?? I can’t do 1099 for envoy?? Even if I’ve been 1099 with envoy at different location.

I couldn't get a name clear by a locums company, and i never worked with Envision. They took over a company where i had applied for a job and turned the job down in 2015-2016.

Then when I started doing locums, I couldn't get a name clear, and Envision wouldn't say why. I figured it out after getting emails and talking to someone and asking why I was on their contact list, how I got on it, and they told me it was due to applying for a job in 2015.

I did any 1099 or W2 with them. Envision said they "owned" me because I was on a list from a job application when they weren't even on scene.

I got away from them when I complained, but now I refuse to have anything to do with them.