low GPA from school notorious for Grade Deflation with decent DAT - chances?

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I go to a top 30 school (constantly ranked for highest grade deflation) and have a pretty awful GPA (2.9oGPA, 2.7 science) and my DAT is solid (21AA,21TS,22PAT - nothing below 20).. my question is.. do Dental Schools take into account grade deflation schools?

I know regardless a sub 3.0 gpa won't cut it, so I am currently in an SMP where I hold a 4.0 after just 9 credits... I applied this cycle to 20 schools.. so lets see what happens.
 
I go to a top 30 school (constantly ranked for highest grade deflation) and have a pretty awful GPA (2.9oGPA, 2.7 science) and my DAT is solid (21AA,21TS,22PAT - nothing below 20).. my question is.. do Dental Schools take into account grade deflation schools?

I know regardless a sub 3.0 gpa won't cut it, so I am currently in an SMP where I hold a 4.0 after just 9 credits... I applied this cycle to 20 schools.. so lets see what happens.
I'm in a similar boat, although I have to say that I'm above a 3.0 (barely) I go to a "public Ivy" that's notorious for grade deflation (strict A = 10% B = 15% curve) and professors who emphasize on learning their proprietary material. Nothing wrong with both, just a unique experience that might help us prepare for the rigors of dental school 😉

If you're doing an SMP, you should have a better chance, but from what I've heard from the more knowledgeable SDN members, your undergrad GPA is the most important, unfortunately. Apparently schools much rather see a 3.8 GPA 18AA than a 3.1 GPA 24AA even if they went to a joe blow liberal arts college where all they did in genchem is balance equations 😱

I'm applying to around 20 schools also.... If I don't get in this cycle, I might do an informal postbac to get my sGPA up.

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They do take into account the school you went to, but it's not as important as you'd think.
 
Your chances are much better with that 4.0 from the SMP. You might be forgiven a little for going to a school "notorious for grade deflation" but only to an extent. You can't really blame a 2.7 on grade deflation. There are many applicants from "top schools" or with grades better than that. You probably still have a chance this cycle though.

@redhotchiligochu , your comparison is quite a hyperbole. There are many, many, applicants with good GPAs from "public Ivies." Who do you think got those A's? 😉
 
They do take into account the school you went to, but it's not as important as you'd think.
Exactly. I mentioned that it's cool to go to a competitive ugrad but unfortunately the actual GPA is the most important, regardless.
 
Your chances are much better with that 4.0 from the SMP. You might be forgiven a little for going to a school "notorious for grade deflation" but only to an extent. You can't really blame a 2.7 on grade deflation. There are many applicants from "top schools" or with grades better than that. You probably still have a chance this cycle though.

@redhotchiligochu , your comparison is quite a hyperbole. There are many, many, applicants with good GPAs from "public Ivies." Who do you think got those A's? 😉
lol no worries I get you. I was just addressing OP's concern about grade deflation, just to make ourselves feel better 😛
 
There's a ranking system for grade deflation? Is this a new US News Ranking I missed?
 
Yeah, I'm not really buying the whole "grade deflation" argument.

For quite a few classes at my university 0 people receive an A and I highly doubt my school is ranked for "highest grade deflation."
 
I'm in a similar boat, although I have to say that I'm above a 3.0 (barely) I go to a "public Ivy" that's notorious for grade deflation (strict A = 10% B = 15% curve) and professors who emphasize on learning their proprietary material. Nothing wrong with both, just a unique experience that might help us prepare for the rigors of dental school 😉

If you're doing an SMP, you should have a better chance, but from what I've heard from the more knowledgeable SDN members, your undergrad GPA is the most important, unfortunately. Apparently schools much rather see a 3.8 GPA 18AA than a 3.1 GPA 24AA even if they went to a joe blow liberal arts college where all they did in genchem is balance equations 😱

I'm applying to around 20 schools also.... If I don't get in this cycle, I might do an informal postbac to get my sGPA up.

Edit: Added some stuff

all public school that enforce grading on a curve have the 16% A distribution and 20% B MAXIMUM, this is done to maintain the average graduating GPA at around 2.8. if you go to a super grade deflation school, your GPA can be like 0.3 less and its still in the running game. not like a 2.7 GPA compared to a 3.4 GPA from an easier school and you can still claim these stats are equivalent. if the person with a 3.4 GPA does even better on the DAT then its all said and done.

some may argue then why not all go to the less competitive 4 year undergrad to max out the GPA and try hard on the DAT, the simple answer is that the less competitive undergrad may not have the same opportunities for research, EC that you could have received at the more competitive undergrad. Plus, if you perform well at the more competitive undergrad and do well on the DAT, you will fare better than the student with similar stats from the less competitive undergrad because when two students have same weight, the undergrad name and reputation come in to become a factor. However, the name does not matter if there is a significance in stats and academic performance between two students that came from two different undergrads that are even supposedly belonged to different school caliber.

and this redhotchiligochu =_________+ just do yourself a favor and ENROLL in the postbach classes right now. or I will see you 1 year from now enrolling in a postbach anyways. sorry, truth hurts and is harsh.
 
all public school that enforce grading on a curve have the 16% A distribution and 20% B MAXIMUM, this is done to maintain the average graduating GPA at around 2.8. if you go to a super grade deflation school, your GPA can be like 0.3 less and its still in the running game. not like a 2.7 GPA compared to a 3.4 GPA from an easier school and you can still claim these stats are equivalent. if the person with a 3.4 GPA does even better on the DAT then its all said and done.

some may argue then why not all go to the less competitive 4 year undergrad to max out the GPA and try hard on the DAT, the simple answer is that the less competitive undergrad may not have the same opportunities for research, EC that you could have received at the more competitive undergrad. Plus, if you perform well at the more competitive undergrad and do well on the DAT, you will fare better than the student with similar stats from the less competitive undergrad because when two students have same weight, the undergrad name and reputation come in to become a factor. However, the name does not matter if there is a significance in stats and academic performance between two students that came from two different undergrads that are even supposedly belonged to different school caliber.

and this redhotchiligochu =_________+ just do yourself a favor and ENROLL in the postbach classes right now. or I will see you 1 year from now enrolling in a postbach anyways. sorry, truth hurts and is harsh.
We'll see about that... If you're been stalking me like a creeper then you'd know that my GPA is nowhere close to the OP's situation. But hey, since you care so much and you seem to spit more criticisms than sympathy, laugh all you want if I come back to SDN next year and whine, b*tch and moan that I have to do a postbac.
 
We'll see about that... If you're been stalking me like a creeper then you'd know that my GPA is nowhere close to the OP's situation. But hey, since you care so much and you seem to spit more criticisms than sympathy, laugh all you want if I come back to SDN next year and whine, b*tch and moan that I have to do a postbac.

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We'll see about that... If you're been stalking me like a creeper then you'd know that my GPA is nowhere close to the OP's situation. But hey, since you care so much and you seem to spit more criticisms than sympathy, laugh all you want if I come back to SDN next year and whine, b*tch and moan that I have to do a postbac.

lollll, you seem to re-state your GPA and DAT in like every other post you make I don't even need to make a slight effort to stalk you.

okay, shoot me a message then because may be I will leave SDN.
 
Hey OP, I'm in the exact same boat. I went to an undergrad school considered top 15 by most ranking sites. Our grade deflation was also pretty real. And if that wasn't enough, I made the "smart" decision to major in a branch of engineering. I ended up with roughly a 3.18 for my overall and science gpa. But you know what, I just own it. Instead of worrying how it'll make my application look, I take pride in knowing I've been made a stronger student for it. Anyone can ask about my grades, and I'll proudly tell them how being challenged has helped me develop better study skills, time management, etc. Remember, the application is more than just our gpa.

In case anyone cares, I took the DAT two weeks ago and scored 23 AA and 24 TS.
 
Hey OP, I'm in the exact same boat. I went to an undergrad school considered top 15 by most ranking sites. Our grade deflation was also pretty real. And if that wasn't enough, I made the "smart" decision to major in a branch of engineering. I ended up with roughly a 3.18 for my overall and science gpa. But you know what, I just own it. Instead of worrying how it'll make my application look, I take pride in knowing I've been made a stronger student for it. Anyone can ask about my grades, and I'll proudly tell them how being challenged has helped me develop better study skills, time management, etc. Remember, the application is more than just our gpa.

In case anyone cares, I took the DAT two weeks ago and scored 23 AA and 24 TS.
Graduating with a 3.2 in engineering is actually pretty decent and your DAT is excellent. I think you and OP are in different boats.
 
@hellofuturedentists Oops, maybe I wasn't coming across clear enough. All I meant to say was that I understand what it feels like not to have a stellar gpa like many other people seem to have. And that we should focus more on our strengths instead. (I'm new to this and don't know how to quote previous replies)
 
@hellofuturedentists Oops, maybe I wasn't coming across clear enough. All I meant to say was that I understand what it feels like not to have a stellar gpa like many other people seem to have. And that we should focus more on our strengths instead. (I'm new to this and don't know how to quote previous replies)
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I understand your point. I agree you should focus on your strengths, and it's good you're doing that! I think the disagreement here was about how much you can blame a low GPA on "grade deflation." Based on what you wrote, it doesn't seem that you believe your GPA is attributed to "grade deflation" but rather a difficult engineering curriculum.
 
And here I've been painstakingly highlighting every post and then clicking on reply when it popped up on my cursor...man this is a whole new world for me.
I can't tell if you're being serious but if you are, glad I could help lol. I actually didn't know about the highlighting thing. That lets you quote only certain parts more easily. A whole new world for me, too!
 
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