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Ok, now you have me confused. You enrolled in a formal SMP program, correct? At my school, and many others, we would *mainly* look at your SMP - and maybe quickly glance at your uGPA for curiosity. Like I said before, the whole point of SMP is to give you a new chance. As long as you have proven to be capable in med-level classes - then you are admission material.
I think stopping your SMP in the middle to go back to undergrad was a big mistake. At MOST, a few schools is never going to forgive you with a bad GPA. Most schools, no matter what your uGPA was, is mainly going to consider only your SMP. You should have saved the time and money and finished that SMP on track with that 4.0, and never looked back on undergrad.
Oh, those were just a few classes freshman year. Prolly should have mentioned that.
This sem was:
Undergrad research: A
Physiology of Bacteria: A-
Pathogenic Microbiology: B+
German I(5 hours): B+
I am skeptical that you really were an adcom. Pretty much everyone on here in the reapplicant forum has had the exact opposite experience where Ugrad GPA ends up being a terrible ball and chain they have to carry around despite an exceptional SMP GPA.
Were it really the case that the SMP GPA was so important, people would have no problem getting into med school after an SMP... that is not the case.
Seeing all the overachievers in SDN made me do it, I swear![]()
good work lol.
i quickly glanced at ur profile and i realized we follow the same trend of upward GPA trend lol. mine goes up by .4 every year, 2.9 freshmen, 3.3 soph and then 3.7 junior. i just wish i didt fudge up freshmen year lol. im sure u feel the exact same way.

they don't, and this now makes me question you as well.. i think it'd be in everyone's benefit if you registered as a verified advisor with the site adminsWell, how do most SMP programs advertise that 95, 99, or even 100% of their graduating classes matriculate into medical schools then?
I have a cGPA of 3.02 and I don't even want to calculate my sGPA.
they don't, and this now makes me question you as well.. i think it'd be in everyone's benefit if you registered as a verified advisor with the site admins
Oh, those were just a few classes freshman year. Prolly should have mentioned that.
This sem was:
Undergrad research: A
Physiology of Bacteria: A-
Pathogenic Microbiology: B+
German I(5 hours): B+

I may have exagerrated with the 100% quote - I did recall a SMP/post-bac program advertising that almost all of their graduates at one point or another have gotten into medical school.
My original point still stands - your SMP grades triumph your undergrad grades at many universities. The point of SMP if basically a second chance/fresh start to prove that you can handle medical school classes.
You should expect to be flooded with pm 😀wrong smp does NOT trump ugrad grades.
wrong. Smp does not trump ugrad grades.
I don't think anyone can say that all schools put little or no weight on SMP grades. Every applicant has their own situation and with a compelling essay I'm sure that an applicant with not so stellar undergrad grades will at the very least be granted an interview if the adcoms feel this person would be successful at their school.
People do overcome rocky pasts and go on to be successful.
I thought your avatar was a bug on my screen. 🙂
I have registered for 18 science credits for Fall '11. I think this will be my first "Low GPA Suicide Run".
I have yet to bring it up to either my adviser, both academic and pre-health one. But I so want to do it because that will leave a big mark towards the 3.xx and more importantly the "Upward Trend" justification.
But I am still a bit hesitant. I am not prescribed to any ADD/ADHD medication nor have I found any dietary supplements that have really given me significant amount of aid besides simply being a placebo effect. And things like coffee and caffeinated stuff has a 50/50 chance of actually providing any sort of benefit. I don't know, I want to say that it is doable...I mean, 18 credits is not that much, but often people who take that many still have GenEd classes they need to take...But I am done with mine, only science left.
🙁
I was in this boat as well... but luckily am matriculating in the fall.
3.1X GPA and SGPA 32 mcat
c's in bio, chem, ochem and basically B's in all other prereqs...
no post bacc no smp no grad school
definitely possible to get in.
I did only semesters of 18/19 units from end of soph to first semester of senior year. Which I do not recommend your more likely to kill your gpa then have a positive impact.
I was in this boat as well... but luckily am matriculating in the fall.
3.1X GPA and SGPA 32 mcat
c's in bio, chem, ochem and basically B's in all other prereqs...
no post bacc no smp no grad school
definitely possible to get in.
I did only semesters of 18/19 units from end of soph to first semester of senior year. Which I do not recommend your more likely to kill your gpa then have a positive impact.
wrong. smp does NOT trump ugrad grades.
really???
Had continuity in my activities: I just picked things I liked and stuck with them I didn't do a lot of different things just research and teaching and stuck with them. The activities I did do lasted longer then a year and I had different activities linked to them (ie after-school tutor -> high school mentor; research in X lab to research in Y lab).
Wrong boat.i'm in this boat!
3.52 cGPA, 3.58 sGPA
FR 3.1 *epiphany* SO 3.9 JR 3.8 SR 3.4 *had to skip classes*
I feel like if I could just get lucky enough to score a handful of interviews then I could demonstrate in person that my GPA (most damage from Fresh/Soph) is not at all representative of my ability now.
Is this party still happening?? If so, I'm ready to rock!!!
cGPA: 3.38
sGPA: 3.46
SMP GPA: 3.70
MCAT: 38Q
Is it true that adcoms focus on the SMP GPA and look at the undergrad GPA as an afterthought?? I've heard this from a few sources, but I'm hesitant to pick my schools based on a 3.7 GPA and a 38 MCAT with an undergrad GPA like mine...
My application is definitely a more unusual one:
Things I did not do:
I did not have much leadership, I didn't join many clubs frankly I just didn't care about them I didn't want to spend each week attending meetings. (Leadership is something many schools look for).
Zero Awards: not even a Dean's list to my name, no grants, no scholarships of mention no summer activities. I just wasn't special enough... lol
Things that I did do:
I had an upward trend my first two years was basically a 2.8 (yea quite horrid) then 3.3 3.4 3.5 4.0 (ending strong!!!).
Had continuity in my activities: I just picked things I liked and stuck with them I didn't do a lot of different things just research and teaching and stuck with them. The activities I did do lasted longer then a year and I had different activities linked to them (ie after-school tutor -> high school mentor; research in X lab to research in Y lab).
Get rocking LORS: Don't go to the best professor ie Nobel, Wolf Prize dept Chair. This one goes hand in hand with the continuity point and has other pluses, too. If your willing to put in the work ask for more and be reliable people notice, all my letters came from professors who knew me. This is something you can achieve even without a great GPA.
I had four LORS:
Assistant Prof I: Took his class, OH every week, joined his lab volunteered 2 years.
Assistant Prof II: Volunteered in her clinic, shadowed her, one of the first in last out, 1.5 years. Because I worked hard she helped me find other opportunities to shadow, get paid etc.
Associate Prof: Volunteered in his lab a few years, hired me after college.
Adjuct Prof: Took his class, OH every week I was the only one who went and all we talked about was his past experiements (I really like biochem and VEGF the class was on something entirely different)
Non of these people are the chairs or the deans etc title doesn't matter as much as content of the letters and these letters definitely helped.
Personal Statement/Secondary Essays: Make sure yours shine, I have no doubt in my mind that my secondary essay was the main reason I rocked my interview and got into one school. Make sure its personal simple as that make it emotional make it meaningful to yourself even if it seems like a stupid question; DO NOT write something just to write something don't write something that is I'm balla I did this that and that or a reiteration of everything on CV.
I was under 3.6 and got my first choice med school. A guy in my class had a 2.7. You guys can and will make it if you try.
You are in the wrong place. Your stats are good, especially with that MCAT score.
Newly accepted with a 3.14 sGPA. Hence the dancing banana.
cGPA: 3.53
sGPA: 3.55
Freshman year: 3.0
Sophomore year: 3.64
Junior year: 3.71
Senior year: 3.78
MCAT: 36S (10p,11v,15b)
Applying to:
Einstein, Boston U, RFU, Loyola, MCW, Mayo, Ohio State, OHSU, Penn State, Rush, Brown, Arizona, Iowa, Miami, Minnesota, UNC, Rochester, UW, Wisconsin, VTech, Wake Forest, WVU
Anybody have any opinions on some other schools I should apply to? My mdapps has all my ECs listed. Any more reachy schools you think I might have a shot at?