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to all the members of this sad party with sh**ty music,

how do you tell your parents that you're not good enough (or don't think you're good enough) because of your low gpa...low first mcat score... ugh

im doing a master's next year. hoping that will boost my chances ten fold (esp for a DO program with my interest in sports med).

my dad walked into my room today saying, "you cannot apply to any DO schools. no. apply only to MD"

hey dad, what if my orgo classes hurt me so much that I can't get in? then what??

It gets harder and harder as the days go on to explain to the parent world about why things work the way they work in this premedical society.. I get so discouraged because I'm not "following their preferred, traditional way" to get to medical school.

fml? 🙁
 
to all the members of this sad party with sh**ty music,

how do you tell your parents that you're not good enough (or don't think you're good enough) because of your low gpa...low first mcat score... ugh

im doing a master's next year. hoping that will boost my chances ten fold (esp for a DO program with my interest in sports med).

my dad walked into my room today saying, "you cannot apply to any DO schools. no. apply only to MD"

hey dad, what if my orgo classes hurt me so much that I can't get in? then what??

It gets harder and harder as the days go on to explain to the parent world about why things work the way they work in this premedical society.. I get so discouraged because I'm not "following their preferred, traditional way" to get to medical school.

fml? 🙁

Are you parents immigrants? Mine are. I deal with this **** all the time. They don't really understand how things work for US med school admissions these days. In their minds, anyone who is a "good" student should go straight to medical school right after undergrad, but they don't understand how competitive it is, and how selective medical schools are nowadays.

The other day my mom was berating me for not fluffing my application with fake extracurriculars, insisting that "everybody does it, and if you don't, then you're just being a naive idiot and you'll fall behind" (exact words, except not in english).

Ignore your parents. This is YOUR life.
 
Yeah, my parents do not understand how competitive it is to get into medschool. I tell them that my GPA is not near good enough, but they still say "Ohhh, stop being negative. You'll get in somewhere!" I continue in attempt to explain that I'm not being negative, just realistic and that there really is a good chance I won't get in on the first try. I know they're trying to be supportive and encouraging...but they just don't get it...
 
Yeah, my parents do not understand how competitive it is to get into medschool. I tell them that my GPA is not near good enough, but they still say "Ohhh, stop being negative. You'll get in somewhere!" I continue in attempt to explain that I'm not being negative, just realistic and that there really is a good chance I won't get in on the first try. I know they're trying to be supportive and encouraging...but they just don't get it...

my mother is the EXACT same way. i'm a rising junior, so i have a year till i apply, but i tell her how screwed I am because my sGPA sucks and I have virtually no ECs and she's like "oh you'll be fine, don't stress yourself out about it".

and when i try to tell her about the MCAT...lolz. she says "i don't think you need to study all that much, you did great on the SAT with no studying so you're a good test taker".

LOLZ. no matter how much i explain it to them my parents just don't understand anything i say about how incredibly competitive it is and how much hard work it takes to get into med school..

i've given up trying to make them understand.
 
to all the members of this sad party with sh**ty music,

how do you tell your parents that you're not good enough (or don't think you're good enough) because of your low gpa...low first mcat score... ugh

im doing a master's next year. hoping that will boost my chances ten fold (esp for a DO program with my interest in sports med).

my dad walked into my room today saying, "you cannot apply to any DO schools. no. apply only to MD"

hey dad, what if my orgo classes hurt me so much that I can't get in? then what??

It gets harder and harder as the days go on to explain to the parent world about why things work the way they work in this premedical society.. I get so discouraged because I'm not "following their preferred, traditional way" to get to medical school.

fml? 🙁

Here's what I did. I told them the next step of my plan every step of the way, saying I will be applying after that. Then, as my dad kept saying "apply now, apply now, apply now", my mom saw the results I was putting out (4.0 every semester, 33 MCAT) and gained faith in my ability to plan correctly. so I kept her legit in the loop. Parents will come around more when you show them results. I had to put up a lot of crap in the beginning of my first post-bacc year but their complaining slowly waned
 
You can also show parents any 'evidence' you have, i.e. email responses from pre-health advisors at your school, even SDN threads, to point them in the direction of understanding the process instead of them coming back to you on a random day in December saying, "HEY! My friend is a doctor and said, "just apply!" Can you still apply in December? Why don't you go for it!"
Yes, that was my dad suggesting I apply last December with a 2.8 GPA
 
Yeah, my parents do not understand how competitive it is to get into medschool. I tell them that my GPA is not near good enough, but they still say "Ohhh, stop being negative. You'll get in somewhere!" I continue in attempt to explain that I'm not being negative, just realistic and that there really is a good chance I won't get in on the first try. I know they're trying to be supportive and encouraging...but they just don't get it...

I have a similar problem. Mine keep telling me I have to get into the local top 10 med school. I promptly squash their hopes every time they mention this by telling them it's never going to happen. I found that if I'm ever less than completely blunt with them, they'll just hear what they want to.
 
You can also show parents any 'evidence' you have, i.e. email responses from pre-health advisors at your school, even SDN threads, to point them in the direction of understanding the process instead of them coming back to you on a random day in December saying, "HEY! My friend is a doctor and said, "just apply!" Can you still apply in December? Why don't you go for it!"
Yes, that was my dad suggesting I apply last December with a 2.8 GPA

hahahahaha i was telling my dad that I'm applying this year and planning to do research while I go through the admissions process. He told me not to waste a year on research and just start medical school THIS fall. This is after I explained to him 10 times that the application process takes a whole year. He thinks I'm making it up..... maybe I should hand him a copy of the MSAR and ask him to read up.
 
I see a lot of concern about what parents think about entering medical school. As a non-trad, I have the great fortune of not needing to answer to my parents. Nevertheless, you need to think about your reasons about going to medical school. This is how you're going to spend the rest of your life, and there are a lot of other careers that you can go into that will take less time and that may bring you more enjoyment.

So, before going any further in the process, take the time to really think about why you want to be a doctor. If parental expectations factor into your decision at all, you may want to reconsider.
 
I notice that some of you in here come from top 10 and top 20 type schools. How screwed are you if you have a 3.4 or 3.5 GPA at a tier 2 school?
 
I notice that some of you in here come from top 10 and top 20 type schools. How screwed are you if you have a 3.4 or 3.5 GPA at a tier 2 school?

I go to the University of Michigan and the average student that gets accepted to medical school from here has a 3.6 cGPA and a 3.5 sGPA.
 
I go to the University of Michigan and the average student that gets accepted to medical school from here has a 3.6 cGPA and a 3.5 sGPA.

:slap: tier two means schools ranked 101 and below, not ranked 20 and below. Jerokin you're not screwed do your best and aim for a competitive MCAT
 
:slap: tier two means schools ranked 101 and below, not ranked 20 and below. Jerokin you're not screwed do your best and aim for a competitive MCAT

Well I was just giving them an idea of how it doesn't really help a whole hell of a lot from a higher ranked school. I know that the U of M isn't a tier 2.
 
Freshman stats
2.58 1st quarter
3.31 2nd quarter
3.78 3rd quarter
cum 3.22
scum 3.27
Hopefully i bring my stats up in the next 3 yrs, college was a huge transition.
 
Well I was just giving them an idea of how it doesn't really help a whole hell of a lot from a higher ranked school. I know that the U of M isn't a tier 2.
sry, i believe i overreacted 😛
Freshman stats
2.58 1st quarter
3.31 2nd quarter
3.78 3rd quarter
cum 3.22
scum 3.27
Hopefully i bring my stats up in the next 3 yrs, college was a huge transition.
great job bringing it up so far! stay focused and you'll be fine. and welcome to sdn ^_^
 
Hello Everyone:

I have read the post here and all i got was upsetting thoughts. I do have a lower GPA than pretty much everyone. In high school i had great grade history, when i started college grades where great, B and A's in science, but then i dropped and changed my major in Criminology. The rest of my college career was B's and C's. Then i went to grad school for international business where i survived and got my degree.

Once done with Grad, i really wanted to go back and finish the premed requirements and go to Med SChool. I took a year where i did all the pre-reqs, sat in front of the classroom, studied and even became a science tutor at the college. I tutored physics, chemistry, organic and some biology. Even though i did all this, i still got C's in all my classes. My professors where confused on how was i able to get labs, participate and explain the material but it never translated into testing. During this period of time i shadowed and assisted in surgery in a plastic surgery office for over 300+ hours. I also became a full time Boy Scout Volunteer Leader which i am still currently am doing.

THen i started to study for the MCAT for about three months, my practice test were in a range of the 20's. THe results were pathetic (13), then i decided to re-study, i talked to my organic professor and he asked if i ever had been checked for ADHD, i said no, and he advised me to go to a physician to check into it. I asked why and he said because during Orgo 2 he was getting frustrated on how was i doing so badly on test even though i would be explaining to other students the material and they were increasing the scores, he also mentioned that there was a reason he gave me extra time in the final, which helped him make the decision for this advise. I kicked ass on the final with an A.

So i went to the doctor he said i should have come for this issue years ago. I went on Amphetamines and my life changed 100%. I decided to retake the MCAT, took 13 practice test in all i had a range from 25-31's. I took it, very confident, and left happy all under normal conditions no extra time or anything. Then i received the results.... i got a 14... one point above my last score. Not to be a pansy but i lost it and cried the whole day. I had studied to hard, had taken all these test that were consistent.

During the period of waiting for my scores i started(and currently) working and shadowing at a Gyno-Onco Clinic, under three different doctors and in three different departments (chemotherapy research, Shadowing, and Prepping patients either for Chemo Treatment or Physicians)).

Now i am at a crossroads, where i have looked up my options, i can request extra time for MCAT, and maybe look into a tutor, i previously studied kaplan and exam krackers. BY all means you all readers, I ENJOY studying and learning. I ENJOY every second i have in an physicians office, i get excited about everything i experience and learn. I know the journey in Med school will be tough but i cannot see myself doing anything else.

If anyone has made it through this i thank you and would appreciate any a guidance, advice, schools to look at time-line on when i should retake the mcat ( i dont mind studying again for it, as i said i dont mind studying and using my mind). :xf:
 
uGPA (including post-bacc grades) 3.22 (AACOMAS 3.35)
sciGPA 3.41 (AACOMAS 3.7)
post-bacc 3.86

32Q - balanced

Applying MD and DO

hopefully they'll gloss over my scary undergrad transcripts

I tell them that my GPA is not near good enough, but they still say "Ohhh, stop being negative. You'll get in somewhere!" I continue in attempt to explain that I'm not being negative, just realistic and that there really is a good chance I won't get in on the first try.

I work for a med school, doing research, and a couple of my coworkers are the exact same way. Only person who understands is the PI...cause she used to sit on admissions.
 
Hello Everyone:

I have read the post here and all i got was upsetting thoughts. I do have a lower GPA than pretty much everyone. In high school i had great grade history, when i started college grades where great, B and A's in science, but then i dropped and changed my major in Criminology. The rest of my college career was B's and C's. Then i went to grad school for international business where i survived and got my degree.

Once done with Grad, i really wanted to go back and finish the premed requirements and go to Med SChool. I took a year where i did all the pre-reqs, sat in front of the classroom, studied and even became a science tutor at the college. I tutored physics, chemistry, organic and some biology. Even though i did all this, i still got C's in all my classes. My professors where confused on how was i able to get labs, participate and explain the material but it never translated into testing. During this period of time i shadowed and assisted in surgery in a plastic surgery office for over 300+ hours. I also became a full time Boy Scout Volunteer Leader which i am still currently am doing.

THen i started to study for the MCAT for about three months, my practice test were in a range of the 20's. THe results were pathetic (13), then i decided to re-study, i talked to my organic professor and he asked if i ever had been checked for ADHD, i said no, and he advised me to go to a physician to check into it. I asked why and he said because during Orgo 2 he was getting frustrated on how was i doing so badly on test even though i would be explaining to other students the material and they were increasing the scores, he also mentioned that there was a reason he gave me extra time in the final, which helped him make the decision for this advise. I kicked ass on the final with an A.

So i went to the doctor he said i should have come for this issue years ago. I went on Amphetamines and my life changed 100%. I decided to retake the MCAT, took 13 practice test in all i had a range from 25-31's. I took it, very confident, and left happy all under normal conditions no extra time or anything. Then i received the results.... i got a 14... one point above my last score. Not to be a pansy but i lost it and cried the whole day. I had studied to hard, had taken all these test that were consistent.

During the period of waiting for my scores i started(and currently) working and shadowing at a Gyno-Onco Clinic, under three different doctors and in three different departments (chemotherapy research, Shadowing, and Prepping patients either for Chemo Treatment or Physicians)).

Now i am at a crossroads, where i have looked up my options, i can request extra time for MCAT, and maybe look into a tutor, i previously studied kaplan and exam krackers. BY all means you all readers, I ENJOY studying and learning. I ENJOY every second i have in an physicians office, i get excited about everything i experience and learn. I know the journey in Med school will be tough but i cannot see myself doing anything else.

If anyone has made it through this i thank you and would appreciate any a guidance, advice, schools to look at time-line on when i should retake the mcat ( i dont mind studying again for it, as i said i dont mind studying and using my mind). :xf:

You didn't mentiona a GPA, ECs or anything like that but here is a shot:

I think you reasonably have one more shot at the MCAT. ASK for EVERY accomidation you are eligable for. Use the science tutors at what ever school you currently attend. Give it your all!:luck:
 
Hello Everyone:

I have read the post here and all i got was upsetting thoughts. I do have a lower GPA than pretty much everyone. In high school i had great grade history, when i started college grades where great, B and A's in science, but then i dropped and changed my major in Criminology. The rest of my college career was B's and C's. Then i went to grad school for international business where i survived and got my degree.

Once done with Grad, i really wanted to go back and finish the premed requirements and go to Med SChool. I took a year where i did all the pre-reqs, sat in front of the classroom, studied and even became a science tutor at the college. I tutored physics, chemistry, organic and some biology. Even though i did all this, i still got C's in all my classes. My professors where confused on how was i able to get labs, participate and explain the material but it never translated into testing. During this period of time i shadowed and assisted in surgery in a plastic surgery office for over 300+ hours. I also became a full time Boy Scout Volunteer Leader which i am still currently am doing.

THen i started to study for the MCAT for about three months, my practice test were in a range of the 20's. THe results were pathetic (13), then i decided to re-study, i talked to my organic professor and he asked if i ever had been checked for ADHD, i said no, and he advised me to go to a physician to check into it. I asked why and he said because during Orgo 2 he was getting frustrated on how was i doing so badly on test even though i would be explaining to other students the material and they were increasing the scores, he also mentioned that there was a reason he gave me extra time in the final, which helped him make the decision for this advise. I kicked ass on the final with an A.

So i went to the doctor he said i should have come for this issue years ago. I went on Amphetamines and my life changed 100%. I decided to retake the MCAT, took 13 practice test in all i had a range from 25-31's. I took it, very confident, and left happy all under normal conditions no extra time or anything. Then i received the results.... i got a 14... one point above my last score. Not to be a pansy but i lost it and cried the whole day. I had studied to hard, had taken all these test that were consistent.

During the period of waiting for my scores i started(and currently) working and shadowing at a Gyno-Onco Clinic, under three different doctors and in three different departments (chemotherapy research, Shadowing, and Prepping patients either for Chemo Treatment or Physicians)).

Now i am at a crossroads, where i have looked up my options, i can request extra time for MCAT, and maybe look into a tutor, i previously studied kaplan and exam krackers. BY all means you all readers, I ENJOY studying and learning. I ENJOY every second i have in an physicians office, i get excited about everything i experience and learn. I know the journey in Med school will be tough but i cannot see myself doing anything else.

If anyone has made it through this i thank you and would appreciate any a guidance, advice, schools to look at time-line on when i should retake the mcat ( i dont mind studying again for it, as i said i dont mind studying and using my mind). :xf:

You need to take the MCAT one more time, and if you don't improve by more than 10 points at least don't waste your money applying and shoot for some other career in the medical field like a researcher. https://www.aamc.org/data/facts/app...mcat-gpa-grid-by-selected-race-ethnicity.html
This shows that if you improve by ten points your chance of being accepted to a US med school would be roughly 25% with good GPA and ECs etc.
 
Hello Everyone:

I have read the post here and all i got was upsetting thoughts. I do have a lower GPA than pretty much everyone. In high school i had great grade history, when i started college grades where great, B and A's in science, but then i dropped and changed my major in Criminology. The rest of my college career was B's and C's. Then i went to grad school for international business where i survived and got my degree.

Once done with Grad, i really wanted to go back and finish the premed requirements and go to Med SChool. I took a year where i did all the pre-reqs, sat in front of the classroom, studied and even became a science tutor at the college. I tutored physics, chemistry, organic and some biology. Even though i did all this, i still got C's in all my classes. My professors where confused on how was i able to get labs, participate and explain the material but it never translated into testing. During this period of time i shadowed and assisted in surgery in a plastic surgery office for over 300+ hours. I also became a full time Boy Scout Volunteer Leader which i am still currently am doing.

THen i started to study for the MCAT for about three months, my practice test were in a range of the 20's. THe results were pathetic (13), then i decided to re-study, i talked to my organic professor and he asked if i ever had been checked for ADHD, i said no, and he advised me to go to a physician to check into it. I asked why and he said because during Orgo 2 he was getting frustrated on how was i doing so badly on test even though i would be explaining to other students the material and they were increasing the scores, he also mentioned that there was a reason he gave me extra time in the final, which helped him make the decision for this advise. I kicked ass on the final with an A.

So i went to the doctor he said i should have come for this issue years ago. I went on Amphetamines and my life changed 100%. I decided to retake the MCAT, took 13 practice test in all i had a range from 25-31's. I took it, very confident, and left happy all under normal conditions no extra time or anything. Then i received the results.... i got a 14... one point above my last score. Not to be a pansy but i lost it and cried the whole day. I had studied to hard, had taken all these test that were consistent.

During the period of waiting for my scores i started(and currently) working and shadowing at a Gyno-Onco Clinic, under three different doctors and in three different departments (chemotherapy research, Shadowing, and Prepping patients either for Chemo Treatment or Physicians)).

Now i am at a crossroads, where i have looked up my options, i can request extra time for MCAT, and maybe look into a tutor, i previously studied kaplan and exam krackers. BY all means you all readers, I ENJOY studying and learning. I ENJOY every second i have in an physicians office, i get excited about everything i experience and learn. I know the journey in Med school will be tough but i cannot see myself doing anything else.

If anyone has made it through this i thank you and would appreciate any a guidance, advice, schools to look at time-line on when i should retake the mcat ( i dont mind studying again for it, as i said i dont mind studying and using my mind). :xf:

I don't think you were meant to be successful in this process. You should be realistic with yourself about your goals. 😳

I am not trying to be mean, and maybe others will disagree, but this is my opinion
 
I don't think you were meant to be successful in this process. You should be realistic with yourself about your goals. 😳

I am not trying to be mean, and maybe others will disagree, but this is my opinion

I disagree, both with your opinion and your manner of conveying it. I appreciate that you're not trying to be mean, but telling someone who is still admirably motivated to keep trying that you "don't think [they] were meant to be successful in this process" is a pretty poor choice of words. I am not trying to be mean either, but I sincerely hope you have the ability to be more diplomatic than that, and simply didn't feel the need to use it due to internet anonymity, etc.

...So i went to the doctor he said i should have come for this issue years ago. I went on Amphetamines and my life changed 100%. I decided to retake the MCAT, took 13 practice test in all i had a range from 25-31's. I took it, very confident, and left happy all under normal conditions no extra time or anything. Then i received the results.... i got a 14... one point above my last score. Not to be a pansy but i lost it and cried the whole day. I had studied to hard, had taken all these test that were consistent...

Now i am at a crossroads, where i have looked up my options, i can request extra time for MCAT, and maybe look into a tutor, i previously studied kaplan and exam krackers. BY all means you all readers, I ENJOY studying and learning. I ENJOY every second i have in an physicians office, i get excited about everything i experience and learn. I know the journey in Med school will be tough but i cannot see myself doing anything else.

If anyone has made it through this i thank you and would appreciate any a guidance, advice, schools to look at time-line on when i should retake the mcat ( i dont mind studying again for it, as i said i dont mind studying and using my mind). :xf:

I'm sorry I don't have much useful advice for you, since I'm pretty much the opposite of you: not the hottest with in-class work and ongoing studying, but a pretty good test-taker. But I do want to point out a couple things. What were your practice test conditions that second time around, when you were getting 25-31? Was it as close as possible to the actual conditions? Consider timing, when and how long your breaks are, distractions like someone typing/breathing/shifting in their chair in some annoying way, whatever.

I love that you're willing to try again, lots of people would give up just out of frustration. You have good reasons to give it another shot - you should definitely work to get the special conditions, but also take some time to analyze the differences between your practice tests and the actual test. And of course, do as many new practice problems as you can, in between now and your next test, and always be sure to understand solutions. Berkeley Review books are great practice, if you're looking for any more materials.

Good luck to you. It's a long tough road you've got, but you have a lot of courage, and a decent list of ECs, both of which will help you.
 
how do you tell your parents that you're not good enough (or don't think you're good enough) because of your low gpa...low first mcat score... ugh

It may be too late at this junction, but buy an MSAR and ask your parents for their advice on picking out schools for you to apply to.

My parents became a lot more respectful of the whole process once they saw how my GPA and MCAT score fits into state averages. Plus, they felt like they were contributing to the whole process (even though I had my school list mostly picked out, lol) They still think I'm going to be accepted to like 10 schools (ahahaha), but I just keep answering that I'll be happy with 1. 😛 Good luck!
 
Damn this thread is depressing, reminds me of when my parents used to give me **** about my GPA too. I thought I was screwed even after sophomore year and would be glad to just not end up in the Carib.

I don't have much advice except I took my "want to shove boot up parents' ass" energy and applied it toward 1) finding the courses I would do well in 2) actually doing well in those courses (3.2->3.6->3.9trend) 3) research

You can do it!
 
I'll join the club too!

sGPA: 3.7ish (AMCAS)
cGPA; 3.35, because of my engineering GPA which is 2.99

I should have majored in something science-y like bio or chem. thought I was challenging myself by taking up something I'm not familiar with! At least it's over...

and to those whose parents don't understand the whole process, mine is worse. We come from a culture that doesn't value honesty, basically my mom told me if I can chat up a med school dean and get admitted that way. Too bad I can't talk back as sarcastically as I would like.
 
I'll join the club too!

sGPA: 3.7ish (AMCAS)
cGPA; 3.35, because of my engineering GPA which is 2.99

I should have majored in something science-y like bio or chem. thought I was challenging myself by taking up something I'm not familiar with! At least it's over...

It's likely you'll get some love because your sGPA is so high. Just make sure to do well on your MCATs.
 
It's likely you'll get some love because your sGPA is so high. Just make sure to do well on your MCATs.

Thanks, but you've no idea how much regret I feel for trying to be cool. If you like chemistry, stick to it. I took a scenic route through hell (engineering).
 
Thanks, but you've no idea how much regret I feel for trying to be cool. If you like chemistry, stick to it. I took a scenic route through hell (engineering).

I'm in the same boat as you. I was a biomedical engineering major. My cumulative GPA is pathetic, but my science GPA is fine. I did really well on the MCATs, so I'm hoping the adcoms will put the pieces together and realize that a low cGPA in engineering does not mean an incompetent student...
 
joining the low GPA group. UG cGPA 3.4, sGPA 3.45. grad GPA 4.0. MCAT 33Q. lots of people told me the grad GPA doesn't count for much. i hope that's not true because i worked my butt off in grad school. i'm reapplying (applied last year with 29O, 6 on VR), so i'm hoping for a success story this time around.
 
Ah, my old stomping grounds. If I could get in with a 2.96 cGPA, 2.7x science, you can to. Work your butts off, kids
 
Ah, my old stomping grounds. If I could get in with a 2.96 cGPA, 2.7x science, you can to. Work your butts off, kids

I'm in the EXACT same boat as you...how/what did you do, if you don't mind me asking.

and to all the ppl talking about their parents...I agree...my parents keep asking their random ass family friends who are like "oh she'll get in somewhere my son/daughter/random neighbor was doing worse and is a dr"...failing to mention the fact that they ended up going to the caribbean...bahhhhh.
 
I'm part of this club but I feel I've shown a strong upwards trend. And I feel since my Science GPA is higher than my cumalitive that the adcom may favor that more than if my science GPA was lower with the same cumulative. What do you guys think?

Cumalitive
Fr. 2.81
So. 3.29
Jr. 3.65
Sr. 3.74
Total 3.34

Science
Fr. 3.00
So. 3.26
Jr. 3.70
Sr. 3.77
Total 3.49
 
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