Low Tier Allopathic (MD) Schools

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Can anyone list some low tier schools and give their average accepted student stats?

Sure. All low tier schools have MCATs below the national average. If you've got around a 24 to 27, you're bang on target for the lower tiers. There might be a couple that don't even require an MCAT. Same for your GPA. Around 2.5 should be more than adequate.

You should call each lower tier school and confirm the above. You may have to try a couple of times because sometimes they can't figure out how to use the phone. The last low tier school admissions dean I spoke to sounded more like an ape than a human, so you'll have to speak real slowly.

But to put your mind at rest, anyone with dismal MCAT scores and a dismal GPA can get into a low tier MD school. Despite what you may have read, the schools at the low end of the rankings are disgusting and most grads are ashamed to go there. Some of the schools don't even teach "grown up" medicine, and you'll spend four years learning how to open a box of Band-Aids.
 
Sure. All low tier schools have MCATs below the national average. If you've got around a 24 to 27, you're bang on target for the lower tiers. There might be a couple that don't even require an MCAT. Same for your GPA. Around 2.5 should be more than adequate.

You should call each lower tier school and confirm the above. You may have to try a couple of times because sometimes they can't figure out how to use the phone. The last low tier school admissions dean I spoke to sounded more like an ape than a human, so you'll have to speak real slowly.

But to put your mind at rest, anyone with dismal MCAT scores and a dismal GPA can get into a low tier MD school. Despite what you may have read, the schools at the low end of the rankings are disgusting and most people are too ashamed to go there. Some of the schools don't even teach "grown up" medicine, and you'll spend four years learning how to open a box of Band-Aids.
Hahahahahaha :laugh:
 
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Umm..low tier medical schools? umm...I think there's one in Cuba that an adviser has been encouraging kids to apply to. U should check that out. :p
 
Sure. All low tier schools have MCATs below the national average. If you've got around a 24 to 27, you're bang on target for the lower tiers. There might be a couple that don't even require an MCAT. Same for your GPA. Around 2.5 should be more than adequate.

You should call each lower tier school and confirm the above. You may have to try a couple of times because sometimes they can't figure out how to use the phone. The last low tier school admissions dean I spoke to sounded more like an ape than a human, so you'll have to speak real slowly.

But to put your mind at rest, anyone with dismal MCAT scores and a dismal GPA can get into a low tier MD school. Despite what you may have read, the schools at the low end of the rankings are disgusting and most grads are ashamed to go there. Some of the schools don't even teach "grown up" medicine, and you'll spend four years learning how to open a box of Band-Aids.

That is pretty funny! I guess silly questions get silly responses.
 
Umm..low tier medical schools? umm...I think there's one in Cuba that an adviser has been encouraging kids to apply to. U should check that out. :p

Okay, it's shark week, so I'm a little cranky.

Please tell me you're attempting to amuse me.
 
I think all schools require MCATs these days except for those ill-regarded BA/MD programs.
 
Can anyone list some low tier schools and give their average accepted student stats?

I guess I will be nice and throw the OP a bone:

Outside of the HBCs, the low tier (unranked) schools have an average MCAT around a 29 and an average GPA ranging from a 3.5-3.6. The HBC averages are going to be only marginally less than the above stats, if at all.
 
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To the OP,

It is not to say that very good schools would not consider a 27 MCAT. I had a 27 on my MCAT, it was never questioned. I was accepted to AECOM, UPITT, and UCONN...although some are higher ranked than others, the truth is that they all only accept about 3% of applicants. I would consider only a very small portion of US medical programs to be low tier. My opinion is that most schools base their standards on their goals, that is, some are just looking for people who are likely to go into primary care, while others are looking for those candidates that have the potential to be specialist and 'nobel prize laureates.'

Work hard, be yourself, and you may land a star school,..regardless, any accredited school in the US is better than schools abroad or no school at all.
 
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JHU-37, 3.9
Stanford-37, 3.9
WashU-46, 4.5

These come to mind when thinking of low tier med schools.
 
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JHU-37, 3.9
Stanford-37, 3.9
WashU-46, 4.5

These come to mind when thinking of low tier med schools.

This made me chuckle as well! You guys are on fire today!
 
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There are no low-tier medical schools. If there are any, you could say (without offending osteopaths) that DO schools are "back-ups" in that their entry requirements of GPA and MCAT are generally lower than allopathic medical schools. Plus, I do not think according USNWR and MSAR that there is a school that has over a 15-20% acceptance rate. I would consider that threshold rather selective and competitive.
 
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I guess I will be nice and throw the OP a bone:

Outside of the HBCs, the low tier (unranked) schools have an average MCAT around a 29 and an average GPA ranging from a 3.5-3.6. The HBC averages are going to be only marginally less than the above stats, if at all.

QFT.

Check out my profile for some lower-tier MD schools that take lots of OOS.

Do yourself a favor and pick up an MSAR so you can figure this stuff out on your own.
 
Umm..low tier medical schools? umm...I think there's one in Cuba that an adviser has been encouraging kids to apply to. U should check that out. :p

Actually, cuban medical schools are really good. ;) So, that isn't the great attempt at sarcasm. Now, the eastern european ones that are making an attempt at getting american students..that is another story.

That being said.. The "low tiers" (which I really don't put much stock in) are considered to be schools like rfu, vcu, temple, drexel, nymc, albany, etc. I know a kid that got into michigan and wash u and denied post interview from nymc and rfu. So, nothing is a given.
 
Actually, cuban medical schools are really good. ;) So, that isn't the great attempt at sarcasm. Now, the eastern european ones that are making an attempt at getting american students..that is another story.

That being said.. The "low tiers" (which I really don't put much stock in) are considered to be schools like rfu, vcu, temple, drexel, nymc, albany, etc. I know a kid that got into michigan and wash u and denied post interview from nymc and rfu. So, nothing is a given.

MCV/VCU? Really?
 
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To the OP,

It is not to say that very good schools would not consider a 27 MCAT. I had a 27 on my MCAT, it was never questioned. I was accepted to AECOM, UPITT, and UCONN...although some are higher ranked than others, the truth is that they all only accept about 3% of applicants. I would consider only a very small portion of US medical programs to be low tier. My opinion is that most schools base their standards on their goals, that is, some are just looking for people who are likely to go into primary care, while others are looking for those candidates that have the potential to be specialist and 'nobel prize laureates.'

Work hard, be yourself, and you may land a star school,..regardless, any accredited school in the US is better than schools abroad or no school at all.

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JHU-37, 3.9
Stanford-37, 3.9
WashU-46, 4.5

These come to mind when thinking of low tier med schools.

Yeah anything that's not Harvard is pretty much a terrible school.
 
Yeah anything that's not Harvard is pretty much a terrible school.
Harvard is, too, low tier. They have self inflated egos. The only school worth attending is the Medical college of MIT.
 
Harvard is, too, low tier. They have self inflated egos. The only school worth attending is the Medical college of MIT.

I respectfully have to disagree. Hogwarts >>> MC of MIT.
 
If you want to put Harvard in the bottom tier, though, I guess that's ok.
 
MCV/VCU? Really?

That's what many people think since their numbers are lower compared to others (especially on the east coast) and every borderline applicant and his mother applies there. Belies the fact that it has a tremendous reputation (especially within Virginia), produces great doctors, people fall in love with it when they interview, etc.

Anyway, I know the OP meant "lower tier" in the context of "low stats," but that term often is used to insinuate some schools don't train competent doctors. As demonstrated above, the idea of a lower tier med school is stupid. If you go to school in the United States you are going to a "top tier" med school.
 
That's what many people think since their numbers are lower compared to others (especially on the east coast) and every borderline applicant and his mother applies there. Belies the fact that it has a tremendous reputation (especially within Virginia), produces great doctors, people fall in love with it when they interview, etc.

Anyway, I know the OP meant "lower tier" in the context of "low stats," but that term often is used to insinuate some schools don't train competent doctors. As demonstrated above, the idea of a lower tier med school is stupid. If you go to school in the United States you are going to a "top tier" med school.

People are stupid.

They've still got rotations at Inova Fairfax, yeah? Sign me up.
 
I veto Stewie U, its requirements are too high to be truly considered low-tier. ZSOM on the other hand...
 
Threads like this make me wish there was a "worthless" function on these forums. There should be a worthless button at the top of a thread, and if 75%+ of people who viewed the thread click it the thread would be instantly deleted.

That would clean up pre-allo quite a bit.
 
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Threads like this make me wish there was a "worthless" function on these forums. There should be a worthless button at the top of a thread, and if 75%+ of people who viewed the thread click it the thread would be instantly deleted.

That would clean up pre-allo quite a bit.

Agreed! But I gotta say...WashU - 46MCAT and 4.5 GPA....that's hilarious cuz it's so true
 
Threads like this make me wish there was a "worthless" function on these forums. There should be a worthless button at the top of a thread, and if 75%+ of people who viewed the thread click it the thread would be instantly deleted.

That would clean up pre-allo quite a bit.

yes, that's exactly what my uncle Stalin would do;)
only he would lower 75% threshhold to 1%
 
Medical School Admission Requirements (MSAR™)

http://www.aamc.org/students/applying/msar.htm

get this book, or see if your library has it if you are feeling poor. it gives you a nice run down of all the accredited schools, their average mcats, and average gpas, and all sorts of things you need to gauge your chances at any given school, low or high tier. when i got it all my nagging insecurities about where i should apply were cured.

no, i don't get a cut of royalties. i just like the book.
 
haha! use your superpowers to buy/steal/make one. and while you're at it get me one too! lemon cream frosting :hardy:please!

yes this is true.

but now i reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally want one. :smuggrin::hardy:
 
I hear the LSV (louisiana school of Voodoo) is so good they can bring you back after they screw up!!!
 
How can you guys sit around and pretend there's no lower tier med school?
Of course there are. I would say Harvard is distinctly higher tier than SUNY Downstate.

With that said, they're not necessarily easier to get in. I was accepted at a few schools in the top50 us news and universally rejected by all the schools I thought I have a better shot at.

As to answer the OP's question, I would say the lower tier med school averages about a 3.5/30 but I'm just pulling numbers out of my arse. I will attach the magic numbers of a few schools with lower averages. I don't remember who compiled this list, so take it w/ a grain of salt. I think this list is of the averages of the students that matriculated in 2005 for each school. To put it in perspective (and also shows why it may not be accurate), WashU is listed at 76.9, which is almost impossible.
  • 64.9 Chicago Medical School at Rosalind Franklin U-Med & Sci
  • 64.9 University of Arkansas for Medical Sciences College of Medicine
  • 64.7 University of Minnesota Medical School - Duluth
  • 64.7 Wright State University School of Medicine
  • 64.7 Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center School of Medicine
  • 64.5 West Virginia University School of Medicine
  • 64.3 Louisiana State University School of Medicine in Shreveport
  • 64.3 Southern Illinois University School of Medicine
  • 63.9 University of Mississippi School of Medicine
  • 63.8 Florida State U College of Medicine
  • 63.8 Northeastern Ohio Universities College of Medicine
  • 63.3 Mercer University School of Medicine
  • 62.7 Brody School of Medicine at East Carolina University
  • 61.8 Joan C. Edwards School of Medicine at Marshall University
  • 60.6 Morehouse School of Medicine
  • 58.9 University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine
  • 58.7 Howard University College of Medicine
  • 57.5 Meharry Medical College
  • 56.3 Ponce School of Medicine
  • 53.5 Universidad Central del Caribe School of Medicine
 
The OP obviously has lower stats and is looking for MD schools they stand a chance at. Sure they lack eloquence but they are looking for advice. Instead of advice they get a bunch of people who laugh at their own jokes.
 
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yeah.. be nice :p

i think its just mean to make a person sorry they just asked a question.

for the record, i did try to help before i went off on the cupcake tangent. heehee.

The OP obviously has lower stats and is looking for MD schools they stand a chance at. Sure they lack eloquence but they are looking for advice. Instead of advice they get a bunch of people who laugh at their own jokes.
 
In all seriousness, there is a good answer to this question.

Low tier MD schools are in 2 groups of schools:
* Puerto Rico (Ponce, Universidad Central, U of PR)
* Historically black (Morehouse, Meharry, Howard)

Lowest tier MD schools are this group:
* Caribbean (St. George's and a bunch you've never heard of)

Some allopathic medical schools don't even require you to take the MCAT... I've never seen this outside of the Caribbean however.

People who trash D.O. degrees don't realize than the M.D. degree is much easier to come by. One just has to be willing to go outside of the country.
 
In all seriousness, there is a good answer to this question.

Low tier MD schools are in 2 groups of schools:
* Puerto Rico (Ponce, Universidad Central, U of PR)
* Historically black (Morehouse, Meharry, Howard)

Lowest tier MD schools are this group:
* Caribbean (St. George's and a bunch you've never heard of)

Some allopathic medical schools don't even require you to take the MCAT... I've never seen this outside of the Caribbean however.

People who trash D.O. degrees don't realize than the M.D. degree is much easier to come by. One just has to be willing to go outside of the country.

The problem with putting the historically black med schools into the context most people would like is that unless you are really interested in a career following these schools' mission statements, most people STILL wouldn't get in.

And anyone who uses the "tier" terminology is kidding themselves. There will always be schools ranked higher on USNews that will accept you while "lower ranked" schools won't even interview you (see my MDApps). Thinking that stats are the only thing that matter is why so many people year after year never get in. It's just not that simple.
 
There are no low-tier medical schools. If there are any, you could say (without offending osteopaths) that DO schools are "back-ups" in that their entry requirements of GPA and MCAT are generally lower than allopathic medical schools. Plus, I do not think according USNWR and MSAR that there is a school that has over a 15-20% acceptance rate. I would consider that threshold rather selective and competitive.

agreed
 
Hrmmm... hrmmm... two of these posts seem very sarcastic, I just can't tell though :(
 
The problem with putting the historically black med schools into the context most people would like is that unless you are really interested in a career following these schools' mission statements, most people STILL wouldn't get in.

And anyone who uses the "tier" terminology is kidding themselves. There will always be schools ranked higher on USNews that will accept you while "lower ranked" schools won't even interview you (see my MDApps). Thinking that stats are the only thing that matter is why so many people year after year never get in. It's just not that simple.

This is very true. If your mission statement is not to help underserved areas than you will not get into a historically black med school.
 
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