Low Tier DO school

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I have been searching for a list of low tier DO schools and found none on this forum. Does someone have a list of low tier DO school plus new school. This could be a sticky for new applicants.

 

[sylvanthus]

Dude there are no tiers its DO school.

 

[GopherMD]

Dude there are no tiers its DO school.

Yeah ok.

 

[cabinbuilder]

I have been searching for a list of low tier DO schools and found none on this forum. Does someone have a list of low tier DO school plus new school. This could be a sticky for new applicants.

The whole "tier" thing is made up by pre-meds to try to give justification about their school choice trying to belittle the others who did not accept them. It's a bunch of crap and you need not get sucked into the delusional hype it creates. Any medical school in the country is fine, you will be a doctor in the end. No one cares once you finish where you go.

 

[Canoedad]

I have never been in a doctors office and actually paid attention to where they graduated

The whole "tier" thing is made up by pre-meds to try to give justification about their school choice trying to belittle the others who did not accept them. It's a bunch of crap and you need not get sucked into the delusional hype it creates. Any medical school in the country is fine, you will be a doctor in the end. No one cares once you finish where you go.

 

[diagonal]

Yeah ok.

He's right. The only advantage one DO school gives you over another is local/regional recognition from certain residency programs that have had experience with that school's grads (and likes them).

This whole notion that going to PCOM or CCOM or DMUCOM or KCOM or whatever is going to confer some awesome training or greater prestige is laughable to those of us that have been through it. It's a DO school. It's not prestigious.

 

[GopherMD]

He's right. The only advantage one DO school gives you over another is local/regional recognition from certain residency programs that have had experience with that school's grads (and likes them).

This whole notion that going to PCOM or CCOM or DMUCOM or KCOM or whatever is going to confer some awesome training or greater prestige is laughable to those of us that have been through it. It's a DO school. It's not prestigious.

There are big differences between DO schools IMO. The schools you listed have better resources, history, and opportunities for students than other schools. Im not saying those schools are prestigious but they are better (again in my own opinion) than others.

BUT medical school is what YOU make of it.

 

[michow87]

He's right. The only advantage one DO school gives you over another is local/regional recognition from certain residency programs that have had experience with that school's grads (and likes them).

This whole notion that going to PCOM or CCOM or DMUCOM or KCOM or whatever is going to confer some awesome training or greater prestige is laughable to those of us that have been through it. It's a DO school. It's not prestigious.

Wat.

 

[diagonal]

There are big differences between DO schools IMO. The schools you listed have better resources, history, and opportunities for students than other schools. Im not saying those schools are prestigious but they are better (again in my own opinion) than others.

BUT medical school is what YOU make of it.

Coming from a pre-med who has absolutely no experience in the reality of it all, your opinion on the matter means a lot.

 

[diagonal]

Wat.

Pretty clear. No one is going to be enamored by the DMU on your resume. Believe me.

 

[michow87]

Pretty clear. No one is going to be enamored by the DMU on your resume. Believe me.

I never said that anyone would be enamored (what an odd word choice).

However, I will be respected for going through the rigorous training required to become a practicing physician.

 

[diagonal]

I never said that anyone would be enamored (what an odd word choice).

However, I will be respected for going through the rigorous training required to become a practicing physician.

Whatever. You referred to my comment on prestige. Now you're twisting it into some issue about respect for being a doctor.

 

[michow87]

Whatever. You referred to my comment on prestige. Now you're twisting it into some issue about respect for being a doctor.

Being a doctor in and of itself is prestigious.

Jeesh, you are very simple minded.

 

[DrapDO]

Dude there are no tiers its DO school.

Everyone knows that there is absolutely no difference in educational quality between one lowly school of janitorial arts and the next.Honestly there is no such thing as a good JA school they all are terrible! OP you need stop being delusional and simply resign yourself to accept the fact that only sanitary engineering SE schools have value and can be compared one with another, and that everything in the JA world is and forever will be trash.

After all we all know that sylvanthus feels PNWU is as good as DO schools get right?

 

[GopherMD]

Pretty clear. No one is going to be enamored by the DMU on your resume. Believe me.

So all DO schools are created equal?

 

[coolingglasses]

Top DO school = whichever one accepts you

if you give a crap about prestige and history, go to a school that has it. if you care about rotating in a certain state, go to a school that has connections to that state. if you want a school that records their lectures/offers lots of ways to study and learn the basic sciences, then go there.

DERP.

 

[ladybug1552]

Whatever. You referred to my comment on prestige. Now you're twisting it into some issue about respect for being a doctor.

There are tiers in everything and DO schools are no exception. Some are more established than others with better residency spots, match rates, clerkships, etc. Generally that establishment is coupled with higher matriculant stats. Some DO schools have an avg mcat and gpa of 28 and 3.6. Others are 25 and 3.2. Lower tier school=lower matriculant stats.

 

[diagonal]

So all DO schools are created equal?

It's all about how you perform, the school is irrelevant. DO schools, as a rule, have much less resources in the things that matter come time for residency. They have no departments, for example. You want to be a general surgeon? Well it would be really helpful to have a surgery department at your school, with a Program Director, someone that knows the climate and can make efforts to help you get a residency. As a DO, you will be entirely on your own. That's one of countless examples.

 

[GopherMD]

It's all about how you perform, the school is irrelevant. DO schools, as a rule, have much less resources in the things that matter come time for residency. They have no departments, for example. You want to be a general surgeon? Well it would be really helpful to have a surgery department at your school, with a Program Director, someone that knows the climate and can make efforts to help you get a residency. As a DO, you will be entirely on your own. That's one of countless examples.

But wouldn't you agree that some schools give me a better chance at performing well than others?

 

[deleted480308]

Imy kids and I have used 15-20 different doctors over the years and I mever knew where any of them went to school

 

[diagonal]

But wouldn't you agree that some schools give me a better chance at performing well than others?

Dude, I don't even know how to respond to this. I can assure you that the answer to it is only something that can be determined in hindsight, after attending several different medical schools. Basically, the answer is no. If there is an answer, it's not going to be related to any false sense of tier or prestige. It'll be in intangible things, like do you have good friends, do you like your living conditions, do you enjoy the city, etc.

 

[DrapDO]

So all DO schools are created equal?

Absolutely! No DO school has any unique resources. I even heard that the first two years are taught using the exact same method through out all DO schools and that they all have the same third and fourth year rotation site in some Barn converted into a hospital in middle of nowhere! They are all the same give it up...

 

[diagonal]

Being a doctor in and of itself is prestigious.

Jeesh, you are very simple minded.

You have a talent for not understanding the topic of conversation.

 

[cabinbuilder]

But wouldn't you agree that some schools give me a better chance at performing well than others?

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. And the delusion persists.

 

[michow87]

You have a talent for not understanding the topic of conversation.

You explained how DO schools are not prestigious. I explained how they are by mentioning the end goal. Try to keep up.

 

[diagonal]

You explained how DO schools are not prestigious. I explained how they are by mentioning the end goal. Try to keep up.

I think it's nap time for you.

 

[dichloromethane]

The whole "tier" thing is made up by pre-meds to try to give justification about their school choice trying to belittle the others who did not accept them. It's a bunch of crap and you need not get sucked into the delusional hype it creates. Any medical school in the country is fine, you will be a doctor in the end. No one cares once you finish where you go.

No, it comes from selectivity.

Snobby top tier med student: "I went to a top undergrad. I have a 4.0 and a 36 MCAT and so do most of my classmates. Most of us become top paid, top tier specialists while you all fight with nurses and technology for FM positions. Our babies will be gold."

Everyone else: "It took me 5 years to graduate, a couple post-bacc programs a masters degree and a 29 MCAT to get into DO/Caribbean med school. Thank god for grade replacement."

It's like that. It's mean and evil, but hey so is life.

OP, you need to just google DO schools. The school that is easiest to get into will be the schools you're looking for.

So many taboo thread topics these days... 😕

We like to think that everyone is equal and there is no variation in anything. Communism lol jk but yeah

You don't HAVE to be the best at everything...

By the way y'all... prestige and doctor is going to become a thing of the past. Become a doctor to practice medicine..not to get paid and be prestigious.

 

[DrWily]

You don't HAVE to be the best at everything...

I do. I really do.

Because if you ain't first, you're last.

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. And the delusion persists.

? Care to elaborate.

I'm obviously not a med student but in my experience of going to different schools for taking ugrad course I notice a substantial difference in resources and rigor and I feel as though I'm learning a hell of a lot more where I am now than where I was before.

If all schools are the same, and it is all contingent on the student. then how do you account for variation that does exist between different schools based on standardized metrics such as COMLEX scores?

Obligatory side note: I'm not saying that people are going to die because you went to accredited school X,Y,Z. Obviously, it is only accredited because it has a decent track record of preventing things like that. What I am saying though, is that beyond accreditation standards schools still do seem to have different outcomes with respect to their graduating classes learning and competence.

 

[Dharma]

Any of them will provide the opportunity to succeed. I stress the word "opportunity". When it comes down to it, it's mostly on you. Besides, they will all put you through the wringer a few times, testing your stamina, patience, work-ethic, persistence, etc.

Go where you will be happy! Forget prestige, unless you think that will make you happy!

 

[DrWily]

? Care to elaborate.

I'm obviously not a med student but in my experience of going to different schools for taking ugrad course I notice a substantial difference in resources and rigor and I feel as though I'm learning a hell of a lot more where I am now than where I was before.

If all schools are the same, and it is all contingent on the student. then how do you account for variation that does exist between different schools based on standardized metrics such as COMLEX scores?

Note, I'm not saying that people are going to die because you went to accredited school X,Y,Z. Obviously, it is only accredited because it has a decent track record of preventing things like that. What I am saying though, is that beyond accreditation standards schools still do seem to have different outcomes with respect to their graduating classes learning and competence.

Board scores are not really a measure of a school's performance. It's more on the individual student to prepare. Schools lay down the foundation; really devoting time to studying for the boards are what gives you the scores. The same student who scores 250+ on USMLE would have gotten that at any school he/she attended.

 

[michow87]

Any of them will provide the opportunity to succeed. I stress the word "opportunity". When it comes down to it, it's mostly on you. Besides, they will all put you through the wringer a few times, testing your stamina, patience, work-ethic, persistence, etc.

Go where you will be happy! Forget prestige, unless you think that will make you happy!

Probably the best post in this thread.

 

[MedPR]

But wouldn't you agree that some schools give me a better chance at performing well than others?

Your comfort level at the school will give you a better chance at peforming well. Not the school itself.

 

[deleted480308]

Also, I can't spell on an iphone

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

Board scores are not really a measure of a school's performance. It's more on the individual student to prepare. Schools lay down the foundation; really devoting time to studying for the boards are what gives you the scores. The same student who scores 250+ on USMLE would have gotten that at any school he/she attended.

Indeed. I'm not using board scores are simply one metric of many. I'm not saying that individual effort isn't a factor, it obviously is. But considering the variation that does exist for means scores between schools, the education provided at the school also seems to play a role.

Just because two schools are 'good' does not mean one isn't 'better'. And an individual thrives as much as the resources available to her allow her to.

 

[GopherMD]

Your comfort level at the school will give you a better chance at peforming well. Not the school itself.

Well then technically that school is better 😉

 

[cabinbuilder]

? Care to elaborate.

I'm obviously not a med student but in my experience of going to different schools for taking ugrad course I notice a substantial difference in resources and rigor and I feel as though I'm learning a hell of a lot more where I am now than where I was before.

If all schools are the same, and it is all contingent on the student. then how do you account for variation that does exist between different schools based on standardized metrics such as COMLEX scores?

Obligatory side note: I'm not saying that people are going to die because you went to accredited school X,Y,Z. Obviously, it is only accredited because it has a decent track record of preventing things like that. What I am saying though, is that beyond accreditation standards schools still do seem to have different outcomes with respect to their graduating classes learning and competence.

Board scores are an indication of an individuals performance. You can have a student who doesn't do well on standardized tests go to the school with the "highest scores" and still barely pass. There were a few students in my class who passed the boards in the 95th percentile while mine was much lower than that. So why would I say it's the schools fault they didn't teach me well enough because of my score? When you could argue they were the "best" because of the better testers? It's just a foolish argument because everyone learns differently and everyone tests differently. So does that make me a worse doctor because I don't test well? Is that the school's fault? NO. You learn to practice medicine in residency and as long as there is variability in the individual person, or school, or residency NO ONE can EVER say one school or one program is better than another.

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

NO ONE can EVER say one school or one program is better than another.

I think therein lies the rub. Not to sound to tangential but obviously different people have different preferences for certain things (school mission, location, etc) that will allow them to do better at one school or another, like everyone else has said.

The problem with asserting that one school has more 'quality' over another is that most people seem to lump that as a sort of one-size fits all argument where because more people do well there *everyone* will do well there which is obviously untrue. But what I don't agree with in your original statement was your assertion that the school one attends will not have an impact on the skills they learn nor their career prospects down the line. I think there is ample evidence to suggest that is not true and where you go to school can have an impact on that. It obviously isn't the only impact but it's still an impact and the size of which varies from person to person.

 

[cabinbuilder]

I think therein lies the rub. Not to sound to tangential but obviously different people have different preferences for certain things (school mission, location, etc) that will allow them to do better at one school or another, like everyone else has said.

The problem with asserting that one school has more 'quality' over another is that most people seem to lump that as a sort of one-size fits all argument where because more people do well there *everyone* will do well there which is obviously untrue. But what I don't agree with in your original statement was your assertion that the school one attends will not have an impact on the skills they learn nor their career prospects down the line. I think there is ample evidence to suggest that is not true and where you go to school can have an impact on that. It obviously isn't the only impact but it's still an impact and the size of which varies from person to person.

My point is while students jump around to different undergrad schools on a regular basis and have a frame of reference between one or more institutions. This is generally not the case for medical school so to claim that one medical school is better over another cannot be stated when 99% of medical students ONLY attend one.

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

My point is while students jump around to different undergrad schools on a regular basis and have a frame of reference between one or more institutions. This is generally not the case for medical school so to claim that one medical school is better over another cannot be stated when 99% of medical students ONLY attend one.

Agreed but I find arguing that the quality of a medical education and the opportunities it provides is entirely dependent on the individual so long as they attend an accredited school is specious. Just as saying the quality of a medical education is entirely dependent on the school and not the student is specious.

I happen to think that if you do get into med school in the United States that what an individual gets out of it is mostly due to what she makes out of it but like I said different schools may have better resources she can utilize as well which may not be available everywhere (such as quality rotations).

 

[diagonal]

Agreed but I find arguing that the quality of a medical education and the opportunities it provides is entirely dependent on the individual so long as they attend an accredited school is specious. Just as saying the quality of a medical education is entirely dependent on the school and not the student is specious.

I happen to think that if you do get into med school in the United States that what an individual gets out of it is mostly due to what she makes out of it but like I said different schools may have better resources she can utilize as well which may not be available everywhere (such as quality rotations).

Yeah, Yale med gives you much better opportunity than PCOM. The same can't be said for PCOM vs RVU. We're talking about the "tiers" of DO schools. Those don't exist. None of the DO schools have the resources, the faculty, the facilities, the connections, etc that an elite medical school has. Among the DO schools themselves, all of it is very comparable and rather uninspiring.

 

[Skeeks]

I think what OP was really asking was what school is going to be actively recruiting students more than others.

IMO, take it for what it's worth, newer schools are going to be more forgiving than the older ones because of reputation. If people know you exist you are going to get more applicants. That said, if you are looking for a school that you might be more competitive in look into these schools:

Alabama College of Osteopathic Medicine (Dothan, AL)

Campbell University School of Osteopathic Medicine (Buies Creek, NC)

Marian University College of Osteopathic Medicine (Indianapolis, IN)


If you are just looking for what schools to "stay away from" because they are "considered lower tier" I would refer you to the feisty conversation above. 🙂 Good luck

 

[MedPR]

Well then technically that school is better 😉

No it isn't.

 

[GopherMD]

No it isn't.

Clearly my wink wasn't enough. Obviously the school that makes me feel comfortable is the better one...for me individually

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

Yeah, Yale med gives you much better opportunity than PCOM. The same can't be said for PCOM vs RVU. We're talking about the "tiers" of DO schools. Those don't exist. None of the DO schools have the resources, the faculty, the facilities, the connections, etc that an elite medical school has. Among the DO schools themselves, all of it is very comparable and rather uninspiring.

Exactly.

Just because you aren't 'the best' doesn't mean you aren't still good.

 

[outsider]

the lowest tier school is the one that rejects you. The one you attend is the best school in the world and, ergo, the highest tier school. Even Harvard and Yale will never turn out a doctor like the one you become.

 

[deleted480308]

Don't feel too bad OP, my application plans next year are basically everything in my state and then the lowest gpa/mcat private md/Do schools I can find to help increase odds of getting an acceptance. And I'd gladly brag about getting into the most crapped on name in the list. Doctor is doctor to me

 

[Balantidiumcoli]

the lowest tier school is the one that rejects you. The one you attend is the best school in the world and, ergo, the highest tier school. Even Harvard and Yale will never turn out a doctor like the one you become.

I swear, in real life you let this kind of stuff go because it's well intentioned, innocuous and really just makes people feel better about themselves. But this place, this SDN, seems to bring out the nit-picky, AXIS II: OCD, pedantic creep in all of us... and I don't know why.

Uniqueness doesn't necessarily pertain to quality. 😀

 

[Skeeks]

don't feel too bad op, my application plans next year are basically everything in my state and then the lowest gpa/mcat private md/do schools i can find to help increase odds of getting an acceptance. And i'd gladly brag about getting into the most crapped on name in the list. doctor is doctor to me

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

 

[diagonal]

I swear, in real life you let this kind of stuff go because it's well intentioned, innocuous and really just makes people feel better about themselves. But this place, this SDN, seems to bring out the nit-picky, AXIS II: OCD, pedantic creep in all of us... and I don't know why.

Uniqueness doesn't necessarily pertain to quality. 😀

OCD would be on Axis I...