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Michigan, UNC, Maryland, UF, etc with a 6 in VR ===> I bet money they are in state.
I bet money the Miami student was a hispanic.
Rosalind Franklin with a 3..the student is lying
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Michigan, UNC, Maryland, UF, etc with a 6 in VR ===> I bet money they are in state.
I bet money the Miami student was a hispanic.
Rosalind Franklin with a 3..the student is lying
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Maybe MSAR is lying. Who knows.
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That's awfully presumptious of you.
where do you get this 3 from MSAR? are you talking about the shaded regions on the chart? pg 171...?
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I really hope MSAR is not lying about those scores
Ok fine. If you get into ROSALIND FRANKLIN with a freaking 3 in verbal. you better have 4.0 gpa, BS 15, PS 15. and built hosipitals around the world. AND ALSO be a person of colour and be an IL resident.
MSAR is not always right. Many schools they say international applicants accepted. turns out they dont!
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I'm now convinced you're telling people with sub-9 VR scores to not apply to better your chances.
I dont always say this...http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=333213
I believe strongly that a person with VR 6,7 can get in. IF
1) your gpa is high >3.8
2) your BS and PS are high 12+
if they dont have this, it's a uphill battle.
I dont think there is ANY hope of getting accepted if you have <6.
I would never do that...
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You really hurt my feelings with this statement BTW.
Anyways, I am about this close of calling RF and asking them weather they accepted a person with a 3 in VR. You want me to do it?
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Sure man, knock yourself out.
My main point was that you're an international student and you came across like your opinion reflected the situation of others closely. Some schools don't even accept internationals (like you said about matriculants in MSAR not being accurate). Even with your current stats, I'd make the argument your uphill battle is worse than say the 6VR for an in-state (like Michigan, UF, UNC, etc).
What I'm saying is that the VR subscore is one piece of the application. True, some schools do screen and have certain cut-offs (Canada comes to mind), but if someone has other areas of their app strong (not insane like building hospitals), they could apply. If they've already paid for and filled out their secondaries, they might as well send them out since they don't need to do anythign else after that but wait for an interview invite. I think a 6 is fine for most places and a 5 would be pushing it assuming the rest is good.
Did I mention Tufts accepted someone with a 2 in VR?
Blah, it takes me directly to voice mail...grrr
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Voice mail or automated system?
Btw, FSU accepted someone with a 4 in VR, but only FL residents are allowed to apply.
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I should add that Tufts takes your highest sub-scores from multiple MCAT scores. So the two may have been the low of that one person. Don't get too crazy now...
Ok I called tufts up...and they told me to email the "director". haha, but her voice didnt sound that optimistic...😀
anyways, I guess its possible. Anything is possible...go ahead apply...I apologize for telling ppl not too...
Come to think of it now...your stats are not that bad. If you have research, good EC, good LOR you have a chance...ignore all my other posts 🙂 Just hurry up though, dont waste any more time...
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Try not to discourage people from applying just because you're already in. That's all. 😎
I apologize for that. i was reading some of my posts and they make me sound like a total pessimistic. So from now onwards...My advice would be: APPLY!
I say, if you dont get in this year: the experience in itself is worth it, because the second time around you will be LOT wiser! I certainly was...so APPLY 😀
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Btw, congrats on your acceptance.
However, GA is a completely **** show. 🙂
Lost FTW! They have a spine surgeon on the show you know...
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No offense, but that's kind of crappy. You went on and on about how terrible this would look, despite several people who tried to be encouraging and now you want to take it all back?
I don't know why anyone comes to these boards to ask about their chances since so many posters seem to revel in squashing their dreams.
yes, i had an epiphany. i am freaking international student. i play by different rules 😱.
P.S I want to go about deleting my posts (I can do that now 😛 ), but then i will deleting history. in the muddled mess, both sides make good points. but i will admit, i was wrong.
I think we should all give everyone hope. I think, everyone has hope despite how high/low their stats are. because you know what...everyone is UNIQUE, and everyone can get lucky also....HOPE is all we have, in this process...
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That is so true.. Even CA schools start accepting from 6 VR. But u need a lot ECs and research.
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dude i cant believe you called a school to ask that...hopefully your sleeping better at night now
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That's so true ... some people are real jerks
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I would never say "never apply, you have no chances." You have a chance. Hell, someone with a 14 MCAT and 2.8 GPA has a chance. But your chances won't be as high as they would be if you retook and applied mad early (got scores and time against you right now).
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my verbal score is also low.
First MCAT (11-6-11)= 28L
Second MCAT (11-7-13) = 31 L
I just hope i get in and i don't have to retake it again with the computer format.
First MCAT (11-6-11)= 28L
Second MCAT (11-7-13) = 31 L
I just hope i get in and i don't have to retake it again with the computer format.
I'm an international student applying this cycle too and I'm pretty late already (with 12 secondaries not submitted yet). I got 6 VR as well (though my BS and PS are 12 and 14). Do you think I have a good chance of getting in? I'm kinda worried right now.
what's your GPA?
what's your gpa? what's your state?
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The high GPA means nothing, it doesn't indicate you know the material well. The bio section doesn't really require you to know all that much bio. If you're a good test taker, you'll be fine without a strong science background. Almost all of the questions are passage derived. You just have to be good at verbal reasoning, that's all the bio section is. It's all interpreting data. You have to have some background, but not that much, not really.
In the same way, you acn absolutely have the material nailed down, and still do poorly on the bio section. It's all test taking.
And anyway, a 10 isn't a bad score by any means.
In the same way, you acn absolutely have the material nailed down, and still do poorly on the bio section. It's all test taking.
And anyway, a 10 isn't a bad score by any means.
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I have posted on these boards before about this, but my april score was 24P with a 6 in VR and i am an international student. I received an invite from Cleveland Clinic Lerner College of Medicine even before my retake came out in October. I am not saying that I will get in, but there is always hope and definitely apply. Good luck to you OP.😀
👍 👍 👍 AWESOME!!!!!!!!!! Can i ask you what country you are from!?
EDIT: Is cleveland clinic = case western?
My GPA is 3.69 both BCMP and overall.
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I am from Nigeria and the cleveland clinic is the college program of casewestern
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Btw, I already got 4 interviews from the 10 schools that I have submitted so far...so there's still hope, hopefully. I wish you luck too!
just apply to a good range of schools.
just apply to a good range of schools.
Btw, I already got 4 interviews from the 10 schools that I have submitted so far...so there's still hope, hopefully. I wish you luck too!
My theory does hold true for INTERNATIONAL students. Above average GPA and BS and PS scores (12-14) = lots of interviews despite low VR! ya 👍 👍 👍 I wish I knew this 2 years ago, and I would have concetrated on PS and BS instead of verbal only. damm...oh well!
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Wow, 92 responses. This is great.
It is good to know that I am not the only one struggling.
Thanks everyone for your advice.
I didn't make it clear but I wanted to ask about my low verbal score not because I am applying this time (I'm not), but because there is a good chance I will get 6 again if I take the MCAT again in April. Then what should I do? Give it up? It really is difficult to improve verbal score, and it is very difficult to beat native speakers. Can you imagine taking the verbal section in Spanish or any other foreign language? Don't you think you would probably get 6 or even lower score?
Also, I took most of my science courses at one of the UCs. It is not a grade inflated school. I'm just not good at standardized tests probably because they are so reading intensive and I'm not a good or fast reader. Mid-term and final exams were not quite like that, and I did well in most of the classes. I even got As in most of my English classes, too!!! It doesn't seem fair to me that I cannot apply as disadvantaged status. If English is not your first language, it is a serious disadvantage. I did not come to U.S. until I was 18.
It is good to know that I am not the only one struggling.
Thanks everyone for your advice.
I didn't make it clear but I wanted to ask about my low verbal score not because I am applying this time (I'm not), but because there is a good chance I will get 6 again if I take the MCAT again in April. Then what should I do? Give it up? It really is difficult to improve verbal score, and it is very difficult to beat native speakers. Can you imagine taking the verbal section in Spanish or any other foreign language? Don't you think you would probably get 6 or even lower score?
Also, I took most of my science courses at one of the UCs. It is not a grade inflated school. I'm just not good at standardized tests probably because they are so reading intensive and I'm not a good or fast reader. Mid-term and final exams were not quite like that, and I did well in most of the classes. I even got As in most of my English classes, too!!! It doesn't seem fair to me that I cannot apply as disadvantaged status. If English is not your first language, it is a serious disadvantage. I did not come to U.S. until I was 18.
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I'll start this off by saying I wish you all the luck in the world in reaching your dreams of medical school. The problem you're up against is that the MCAT has a verbal section for a reason. Once you're in med school, you will have to read, memorize, and understand information (in English) at an amazing speed. If you are unable to do this, you will not be able to succeed in med school. Fast reading comprehension is simply necessary. Now, there are many international students in American medical schools, so it's certainly possible to gain the skills you need, however, you will be doing yourself an injustice if you attempt to get in through disadvantaged status backdoors and are not prepared for the volume of written material you will be required to assimilate. My advice: study hard, develop your verbal skills, and apply when you are prepared for the challenges ahead of you. Again, best of luck to you! And if there's anyone out there who feels my advice is off base, feel free to interject 🙂
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Btw, I already got 4 interviews from the 10 schools that I have submitted so far...so there's still hope, hopefully. I wish you luck too!
Wow... 4 interviews out of 10, U must be doing something seriously better than the rest of the applicant pool... 🙄
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GPA = 3.7 and state: MN, and 31 you have a excellent chance (despite the 7). Apply boardly 👍. I dont think the 7 will hold you back. in the unlikely event you dont get in this year. definitely do not re-write. i think applying super early, padding up your ecs, will get you in 👍.
How does your state treat MN? I know Minnesotta -Duluth and Twin cities are very good universities.
How does your state treat MN? I know Minnesotta -Duluth and Twin cities are very good universities.
