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Thanks for any thoughts on this decision. . .
If you go just by stats, Rush would probably come out on top. I haven't interviewed at Loyola (yet, hopefully) but I have heard has a great and friendly environment. They are both good schools, which place did you feel most comfortable at?Frica99 said:Thanks for any thoughts on this decision. . .
Little Rascal said:If you go just by stats, Rush would probably come out on top. I haven't interviewed at Loyola (yet, hopefully) but I have heard has a great and friendly environment. They are both good schools, which place did you feel most comfortable at?
cubs08 said:awesome thread guys - i'm currently torn between these two schools also!
Frica99 said:I'm curious what you mean by "just by stats"? Do you mean match stats or AAMC stats cause I actually thought the opposite.
Flopotomist said:What are you looking for in a school? What is important to you? What type of students do you want to be in school with? Where do you want to live? What specialty do you want to eventually work in? What will you do during the summers? What will you do AFTER class? (eg, have you seen Loyola's fitness center?) How important is "student happiness?" Are you more of a traditional, or non-traditional applicant? Help us out a bit, and maybe we can provide a better answer. In terms of numbers, I think these two schools are close enough that the numbers don't really matter.
Frica99 said:Holy questions, but thank you so much for the interest. Well-rounded good people to spend these tough years with is what I am looking for. The whole environment at Loyola seemed to be very student focused. The fitness center after school is important to me as well. As far as speciaties, I am open, but I am interested in surgery. I am a more non-traditional applicant. Student happiness is very important to me because life does go on in med school. I'm basically 99% sure of Loyola and just looking for confirmation probably or any major red flags.
cubs08 said:essentially, i think it comes down to location for me. it seems like the students at both places are incredibly happy and the education/training they recieve is comparable. if only we could take loyola's facilities and plant them on top of rush's campus...
Flopotomist said:Loyola is just a short blue line ride away from downtown - so I am not sure that the location deal is as big of an issue compared with say Rosalind Franklin. Plus, you can live somewhere with more square feet out by Loyola for the same price.
Still working that part out.. going to decide that in May or June.cubs08 said:completely agree with you flop - i just cant get over that 'intangible' with rush being downtown, in the mix of everything. loyola was awesome - everything about it was great, don't get me wrong - ill just have to take advantage of these second look days. btw, what are your housing plans for next year (said as un-creep-ily as possible)...
sanford_w/o_son said:The big plus with Rush (in my view) is being in the city and rotations at Stroger H (aka Cook County H). I understand that there are many nontrads there, too.
cubs08 said:completely agree with you flop - i just cant get over that 'intangible' with rush being downtown, in the mix of everything. loyola was awesome - everything about it was great, don't get me wrong - ill just have to take advantage of these second look days. btw, what are your housing plans for next year (said as un-creep-ily as possible)...
A few people have mentioned this concern, and it is one that I shared, so I asked about it. Loyola is aware of a need to improve in this area, and has increased recruiting efforts aimed at increasing the diversity of the school. In addition, they have added a summer program to help attract people from underserved areas. If you look at the current M1s, you will see a more diverse class than other years, and hopefully our class will be even more diverse.SpeedRacer said:i am, however, concerned about diversity.
cubs08 said:hey speedracer,
rush and uic are basically a 10 minute walk to the loop
Flopotomist said:Glad to see that Loyola is ahead in the poll!
What is the housing issue? I don't know much about Rush's housing situation... but just from looking at Craigslist, you can get more for the money out in Oak Park and Forest Park than you can downtown.cubs08 said:point well taken jbrice,
but that brings up another issue of student housing...
(btw, im not trying to antagonize pro loyola peeps - its just that this dialogue is really helping me flesh out a foundation for a future decision)
cubs08 said:point well taken jbrice,
but that brings up another issue of student housing...
(btw, im not trying to antagonize pro loyola peeps - its just that this dialogue is really helping me flesh out a foundation for a future decision)
jbrice1639 said:that said, i'm staying in my current home on the north side of chicago and taking out a second student loan to pay for gas to commute to maywood every day
jbrice1639 said:Students from any of the Chicago area schools can apply to do some away rotations at Stroger. It's a huge place. UIC and Rush obviously have more interaction with stroger because of location, but pritzker, northwestern, and loyola all end up having students that choose to spend time there as well. and, of course, like some other posters mentioned, maywood is not really "outside" chicago like rosalind is. public transportation is still nearby and the near west chicago suburbs are still very urban, moreso than a lot of other big city suburbs from my experience.
cubs08 said:i really appreciate all the comments/criticisms about both schools. does anyone have the matchlist for both available offhand? anyway, keep selling both schools - perhaps a little love for rush out there...
jbrice1639 said:that's not really a walk you'd want to make after dark though...
yes, the nice neighborhoods are starting to push west some, but the UIC neighborhood is still transitional at best. not to say it's unsafe to be a student, but it definitely is not really part of the nice part of chicago. of course, maywood isn't either, but in maywood, you're driving everywhere anyways, so walking around doesn't really matter.
Flopotomist said:Hey jbrice, for those of us not familiar, can you give us a comparison of Oak Park vs. Forest Park? Trying to figure where to look.
ucjames said:I've lived in Oak Park for, um, 25 years of my life on this earth, so I'll take a shot here
The two suburbs are right next to each other, and as a result things like public transportation and whatnot are basically identical. The blue line EL runs along the Eisenhower Expy through both, and the Green Line EL runs just south of Lake Street through Oak Park, ending at Harlem in Forest Park.
Oak Park is the more historic, and generally "nicer" of the two as far as neighborhoods, which basically translates into more expensive. Whether you are planning to rent or buy, Forest Park will be less expensive than Oak Park. Far, far less expensive for buying, and somewhat less for renting.
Oak Park is "dry" other than liquor served in restaurants - no bars or liquor stores. Forest Park has plenty of both to make up for that Oak Park has better restaurants (both in quality and sheer numbers), a slough of good ice cream shops and coffeehouses, and somewhat higher-end shopping (Gap/Old Navy/specialty shops/nice small chain movie theater in Downtown Oak Park as compared to the Walmart/Old Country Buffet of the Forest Park Mall).
For the most part, the best parts of either are easily accessible from either by car. If you prefer to walk more, I'd recommend Oak Park. There just isn't as much to do in Forest Park other than the bars on Madison Street, which frankly aren't anything special.
When I looked around for apartments about a year and a half ago, I looked mainly in Forest Park first due to the cost differences. I was never really happy with the neighborhoods though - not any sort of safety concerns or anything like that, just lack of much to do in the immediate area, typically. After digging around I found a very affordable 2 bedroom in Oak Park that's one block north of the downtown Oak Park area - near the Frank Lloyd Wright houses, a bunch of good restaurants, some shopping, the only decent nearby movie theater... On the other hand, if you're going to be as busy with school as you probably should be, saving money by living in Forest Park is probably a good way to go. If you can find something reasonably priced in Oak Park, I can't think of any compelling reason to go Forest Park though. It's perfectly fine, just not great, I guess.
In either case, the best area to be if possible would be close to Harlem/Lake. Either a bit west and south of there in Forest Park, or north or south, and east in Oak Park. That's really the best area as far as things to do within walking distance, and also still close to two train lines for hopping downtown. South of the Eisenhower expressway in either suburb is not nearly as nice as north of the expressway.
SpeedRacer said:where can you find a 2005 loyola match list? i know it's in that brochure they sent but i lost it
cubs08 said:
Flopotomist said:Hey jbrice, for those of us not familiar, can you give us a comparison of Oak Park vs. Forest Park? Trying to figure where to look.
cubs08 said:hey speedracer,
rush and uic are basically a 10 minute walk to the loop and the area is becoming increasingly a yuppy territory - pretty nice compared to the local digs in maywood. i don't really know why i'm defending rush - i really really liked loyola as well - there is just something attractive about the medical district of chicago
2005 wasn't on the list when you checked, but hey, I just found itSpeedRacer said:yeah that just goes up to 2004 right...unless i missed it.
Why do you have to decide by the end of the week? Let us know which way you decide, and why... we are curious!Frica99 said:Flop, yes I am holding an acceptance at both. Not past the end of the week though.
Phil Anthropist said:2005 wasn't on the list when you checked, but hey, I just found it
http://www.luhs.org/news/pubs/lm/spr05.pdf (PDF pages 9-10)
In my opinion, Stritch and Rush both fair quite well.
Vizsla said:I don't know much about Loyola but I just got back from my interview at Rush and I was very impressed that Rush Medical Center was number one in Illinois for Orthopedics (8 in the nation), Neurology/Neurosurg (11 in nation), Geriatrics (14 in nation) and Kidney Diseases (14 in nation).