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[rzoo14]

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I'll share my experience with LUCOM.

I was very hesitant about attending the interview because of the politics associated with LU as well as SDN's bashing of the school. I'm Muslim and also had concerns potentially attending a faith-based school. My experience with the LUCOM's admissions office definitely impressed me and it was one of the reasons I did attend the interview day. I had the admissions office contact me several times throughout the admissions process to make sure I had all my questions answered and my secondary in. This was the only school that made an effort towards helping me and reaching out on their own before I even submitted my secondary.

During the interview day I was very impressed by everything I saw. Both my interviewers are well established faculty from other institutions. The admissions director was very open about all the criticisms on SDN. He made an effort in addressing all those criticisms and also emphasized several times throughout the day that students of all faith and background are welcomed at the school and will be treated equally and fairly. This definitely helped me with my concerns of fitting in with the school and surrounding community. By the end of the interview day, I was satisfied with everything I saw at the school. As far as the academics go, they are on top of everything and have recruited strong faculty from established institutions. Yes, the school is new and by accepting to go there, you are placing yourself at a risk. These risks, however, are also present with every new school that opens up and are not exclusive to LUCOM.

Overall I would say the school holds strong potential despite the politics of the parent institution. I will not be attending this school and will go with my SOMA acceptance. This was mostly due to SOMA being a better fit for me and also avoiding the risks that come with new schools. Part of me is glad I'm not attending this institution mostly due to the religious differences (none of which are the concerns shared on SDN) and how much of a fit the school would have been for me. I will, however, say that if LUCOM was the only acceptance I received, I would go with it.

***To all potential applicants/interested parties, PLEASE do not blindly follow everything you read on SDN. If you're interested in the school, I recommend attending the interview, contacting the admissions office, talking to current students(when the inaugural class settles in). NO ONE on SDN knows at this point how strictly the school will follow its rules for the medical students. By Jan 2015, we should have a better idea on most of the criticism SDN has placed on LUCOM (minus rotations). Chances are, people who don't like the school now, will still not like it then. To those people, please respect the choices of other students. They will likely be your future colleagues. None of us have any authority on judging the choices others have made with LUCOM. You can either respect their choices, or just not talk about it. Badmouthing the school and its future students does not help anyone.

 

[Xenoblade]

Word of advice: Worry about yourself, not others.

You guys will face the same do bias when it comes to apply for competitive specialties.

Also, not all Christians are crazy, racist, extremists who lack compassion. I understand you may have had bad experiences, but I don't think that it is fair to project those experiences onto another university that hasn't even started classes yet. I don't like their racist views either, but your guys hate is getting absurd. Life is so much better when you ignore and move forward.

 

[ninjaman22]

Agreed, I wish it had opened up at George Mason even. More schools to serve the DMV is majorly important and totally cool.

That would be awesome! I am an alum and was thinking the same thing the other day. I know VCU has a partnership with INOVA Fairfax (1000 bed teaching hospital 10 mins from Mason), but I am sure GMU would be able to get a contract with them!

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

That would be awesome! I am an alum and was thinking the same thing the other day. I know VCU has a partnership with INOVA Fairfax (1000 bed teaching hospital 10 mins from Mason), but I am sure GMU would be able to get a contract with them!

Agreed, I honestly would rejoice is GMU or AU got a DO school. But it'd easily be a new PCOM in terms of stats because lots of people want to be in the DMV.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Word of advice: Worry about yourself, not others.

You guys will face the same do bias when it comes to apply for competitive specialties.

Also, not all Christians are crazy, racist, extremists who lack compassion. I understand you may have had bad experiences, but I don't think that it is fair to project those experiences onto another university that hasn't even started classes yet. I don't like their racist views either, but your guys hate is getting absurd. Life is so much better when you ignore and move forward.

We didn't claim that all Christians are crazy, racist, extremists. On the contrary, I feel that those who understand who Jesus stood for are going to always be against oppression and are going to be for empowering people. It's the people who believe in a political paradigm and make religion conform to that and create a positive loop of my views are supported by the bible, the bible is where my views are from.

However as I said, Jerry Falwall is not all Christians, but he is a Christian and his version of Christianity is dangerous to the entirety of humanity.

 

[Escape_Goat]

Like many, I share Goro's distaste of LUCOM's parent institution. Here is an official document that summarizes everything wrong with it:

http://www.liberty.edu/media/1216/SAC Handbook 2010-2011.pdf

NOTE: Reprimands are accumulated and tabulated on a per semester basis.

1 Reprimand
Late for curfew (1 additional reprimand for each 30 minutes late)
Late for Convocation (1 additional reprimand for each 15 minutes late)

4 Reprimands + $10.00 Fine
Absence from required meeting (Convocation, etc.)
Disturbance/non-participation during Convocation
Dress/hair code violation (male or female)
Failure to respond to official call slip within 48 hours (for Student Affairs use
only)
Horseplay (plus financial restitution)
Improper personal contact (anything beyond hand-holding) / Improper social
behavior
Improper sign out
Music code violation
Out of the residence halls after curfew

6 Reprimands + $25.00 Fine
Possession and/or use of tobacco
Direct disobedience/disrespect
Gambling
Attendance at a dance

12 Reprimands + $50.00 Fine
Attendance at, possession or viewing of an “R”-rated movie
Deception
Malicious horseplay/behavior (plus financial restitution)
Participation in an unauthorized petition or demonstration
Possession of a school key without authorization
Students of the opposite sex visiting alone at an off-campus residence
Entering residence hallway, quad or on-campus apartment of the opposite sex or
allowing the same

18 Reprimands + $250 Fine + 18 Hours Disciplinary Community Service
Association with those consuming alcohol
Commission of a misdemeanor
Obscene, profane or abusive language or behavior
Possession and/or viewing of sexually-explicit material or movies (“X” or NC-
17”)
Entering the bedroom of the opposite sex on or off campus or allowing the same
Failure to properly identify oneself
Falsification of information on an official document (including sign-out sheet)
Racial harassment
Sexual harassment (i.e., unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors or
other conduct or comments of a sexual nature)
Sexual misconduct and/or any state of undress
Threat to do bodily harm
Two or more individuals of the opposite sex together in motel room without
proper permission
Vandalism (plus financial restitution)

30 Reprimands + $500.00 Fine + 30 Hours Disciplinary Community Service +
Possible Administrative
Withdrawal
NOTE: For each accumulation of six or more reprimands after 30, an additional
$150 fine will be assessed
Abortion
Assault/sexual assault (minimum two semesters out)11
Commission/conviction of any felony
Illegal drug association/possession, use/distribution (minimum two semesters out)
Immorality
Involvement with witchcraft, séances or other satanic or demonic activity
Life-threatening behavior or language to others or oneself (immediate
removal/exclusion from campus and a minimum of two semesters out)
Non-participation/disruption/non-compliance (possible removal/exclusion from
campus)
Possession or consumption of alcoholic beverages
Refusal to submit to an Alco-Sensor test and/or drug test as specified by the
administration
Spending the night with a person of the opposite sex
Stealing or possession of stolen property (plus financial restitution; minimum two
semesters out)
Unauthorized possession/use of weapons

No dancing, no unapproved music, no R-rated movies, no intermingling with the opposite sex, and getting an abortion is subject to the same punishment as felony assault and drug trafficking. The Liberty Way (tm).

 

[el_duderino]

Spending the night with someone of the opposite sex and drinking a beer are both more serious offenses than actual crimes.

 

[touchpause13]

I like how sexual assault is put under the same category as consensual sex and drinking alcohol

 

[AamirB]

No witchcraft? What the hell am I going through all this trouble for then?

 

[deleted480308]

and getting an abortion is subject to the same punishment as felony assault and drug trafficking. The Liberty Way (tm).

that shouldn't be shocking, it's viewed as murder by a lot of people

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

that shouldn't be shocking, it's viewed as murder by a lot of people

Ironically by people who usually idealize warfare and organized murder.

Regardless, there are some states now pushing laws that will criminalize miscarriage as well.

But regardless the issue has nothing to do with murder and more to do with control of women's reproductive rights and to decide her destiny.

 

[GypsyHummus]

Like many, I share Goro's distaste of LUCOM's parent institution. Here is an official document that summarizes everything wrong with it:

http://www.liberty.edu/media/1216/SAC Handbook 2010-2011.pdf



No dancing, no unapproved music, no R-rated movies, no intermingling with the opposite sex, and getting an abortion is subject to the same punishment as felony assault and drug trafficking. The Liberty Way (tm).

Aw shucks, why do they outlaw dancing? Looks like imma have to cut loose........footloose.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

No witchcraft? What the hell am I going through all this trouble for then?

When you live in the 21st century and people maintain the claim that witchcraft is real that's when you start to worry.

 

[deleted480308]

Aw shucks, why do they outlaw dancing? Looks like imma have to cut loose........footloose.

now I'm singing it my head....thanks for that 😉

 

[GypsyHummus]

Ironically by people who usually idealize warfare and organized murder.

Regardless, there are some states now pushing laws that will criminalize miscarriage as well.

But regardless the issue has nothing to do with murder and more to do with control of women's reproductive rights and to decide her destiny.

In the case of rape or incest I agree that the women should have a say in abortion, even if I do think it is murder.

Honestly, it is quite easy to be in control of your body/reproductive rights. If a women is so worried about getting pregnant don't have sex. It works almost 100% of the time. Worked for me

Edit: If a man or a women is worried about

 

[el_duderino]

If a women is so worried about getting pregnant don't have sex.

You'd be well-advised never to say that, ever again.

 

[GypsyHummus]

You'd be well-advised never to say that, ever again.

Im not gonna pretend that there won't be people who disagree, but abstinence is a very effective means of birth control.

 

[deleted480308]

Im not gonna pretend that there won't be people who disagree, but abstinence is a very effective means of birth control.

I've also seen studies that men who don't have sex rarely father children...so I guess it works all around 😉

 

[guylewis]

In the case of rape or incest I agree that the women should have a say in abortion, even if I do think it is murder.

Honestly, it is quite easy to be in control of your body/reproductive rights. If a women is so worried about getting pregnant don't have sex. It works almost 100% of the time. Worked for me

well good for you, but well over 90% of americans have premarital sex. trying to stop people from having sex is like trying to stop a bus with toilet paper.

"Of those interviewed in 2002, 95% reported they had had premarital sex; 93% said they did so by age 30. Among women born in the 1940s, nearly nine in 10 did. At the same time, people are waiting longer to marry; 2005 data show median age at first marriage is just over 25 for women and 27 for men."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-12-19-premarital-sex_x.htm

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess most Liberty students are stabbing each other in the dark

 

[deleted480308]

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess most Liberty students are stabbing each other in the dark

that's so clever that even I am slow clapping at my desk right now

 

[Escape_Goat]

Aw shucks, why do they outlaw dancing? Looks like imma have to cut loose........footloose.

Nobody puts GypsyHummus in a corner.

 

[Lost Vagus]

Look, this thread most likely isn't going to change anyone's opinion about LUCOM. I didn't bother to read through all the posts because I've seen many other similar threads. There's no point in arguing here. I strongly urge anyone applying to LUCOM to take a look at their conduct code. It is very strict and caters to a very specific way of life. If you can obey the rules and you think you will be happy in the LUCOM environment, by all means apply and attend. LUCOM is not for everyone, but that doesn't mean they wont produce quality physicians. I think the original point of this thread was to show that the inaugural class at LUCOM had fairly good stats, and if that is the case then I am so happy for LUCOM along with the current state of Osteopathic medicine. Personally, I think those stats are very inflated. Many people with a combination of Low mcat/High gpa and vice versa applied due to the previous trends of new DO schools. In most cases, the newer the school the easier it is to get in. Marian is an exception because Indiana only has one other medical school and Indianapolis is close enough to Chicago to receive a lot of applications from students that were rejected from MD schools and want to stay in a big midwestern city. If I had to guess, I would say the class profile of Lucom will be 22/23 mcat with a gpa around 3.3/3.4.

If you want to apply, apply. I would most likely be kicked out of school within a few weeks, but I guess I'm a sinner. I'm catholic but I'm pretty sure I've broken every rule in the book and probably do something that would get me suspended on a daily basis. LUCOM is not for me, It's the last school in the US I would go to, but I'm sure there are plenty of people that will do well and enjoy the school's environment. I would go to a brand new osteopathic medical school (religious affiliation or not) over a school outside of the United States any day of the week. Good luck to everyone attending LUCOM. Study hard and have fun.

End thread.

 

[guylewis]

can't wait for the inaugural class to start and for the stories to begin

 

[GypsyHummus]

I've also seen studies that men who don't have sex rarely father children...so I guess it works all around 😉

Really? You will have to post some of those studies. It seems that many people nowadays rule it out as a method of contraception.

The worst part is that everyone gets all huffy puffy about teaching abstinence as a form of birth control, yet applaud people for taking it upon themselves to stand for pro abortion. Again, in the few cases mentioned in the previous post, abortion is actually a very preventable thing and in an idealistic world, should come up very rarely.

And another thing somewhat related and since we are getting this debate going, birth control is rather affordable. If you can't afford to buy a 15$ a month pill or a 10$ box of condoms, then maybe you shouldn't be participating in behavior that could potentially put you in a position of bringing a person into this world. Be responsible everyone.

*steps off soapbox

 

[GypsyHummus]

well good for you, but well over 90% of americans have premarital sex. trying to stop people from having sex is like trying to stop a bus with toilet paper.

"Of those interviewed in 2002, 95% reported they had had premarital sex; 93% said they did so by age 30. Among women born in the 1940s, nearly nine in 10 did. At the same time, people are waiting longer to marry; 2005 data show median age at first marriage is just over 25 for women and 27 for men."

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/health/2006-12-19-premarital-sex_x.htm

I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and guess most Liberty students are stabbing each other in the dark

People are really getting married that late? Geeze, it seems like everyone from high school is already married and having more fun in the dark than Gypsyhummus.

At least I have food. Pizza will never judge me.

 

[deleted480308]

People are really getting married that late? Geeze, it seems like everyone from high school is already married and having more fun in the dark than Gypsyhummus.

At least I have food. Pizza will never judge me.

I waited until marriage at 23 and it seemed like ffffooooorrrrreeeevvvvveeeerrrrr...I couldn't imagine 27 haha

 

[AamirB]

Nobody puts GypsyHummus in a corner.

Lol wrong movie

 

[guylewis]

Really? You will have to post some of those studies. It seems that many people nowadays rule it out as a method of contraception.

The worst part is that everyone gets all huffy puffy about teaching abstinence as a form of birth control, yet applaud people for taking it upon themselves to stand for pro abortion. Again, in the few cases mentioned in the previous post, abortion is actually a very preventable thing and in an idealistic world, should come up very rarely.

And another thing somewhat related and since we are getting this debate going, birth control is rather affordable. If you can't afford to buy a 15$ a month pill or a 10$ box of condoms, then maybe you shouldn't be participating in behavior that could potentially put you in a position of bringing a person into this world. Be responsible everyone.

*steps off soapbox

if you live your life paycheck to paycheck and are on foodstamps (which many hard working americans are), then getting that kinda money is not as easy as it looks. I'm happy that contraception has to be provided at no cost to all women. finally contraception isn't something for only those who can afford it. Also, the research has shown over and over again that abstinence teaching in schools not only didn't work but was an enormous failure. the rates of teen births, STDs, anal, and oral sex were much higher with kids who were only taught abstinenece compared to those who were given sex ed and that's because EVERYONE likes to do the no-pants-dance

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/20/3310751/abstinence-failures-charts/

 

[deleted480308]

if you live your life paycheck to paycheck and are on foodstamps (which many hard working americans are), then getting that kinda money is not as easy as it looks. I'm happy that contraception has to be provided at no cost to all women. finally contraception isn't something for only those who can afford it. Also, the research has shown over and over again that abstinence teaching in schools not only didn't work but was an enormous failure. the rates of teen births, STDs, anal, and oral sex were much higher with kids who were only taught abstinenece compared to those who were given sex ed and that's because EVERYONE likes to do the no-pants-dance

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/20/3310751/abstinence-failures-charts/

ahh, the "if everyone else is already feeding you, they should buy you birth control too" argument...it's sad that we can't assume any personal responsibility out of people

 

[Mehd School]

A guy I met on the interview trail told me he was picking Liberty over his state DO school.

Poor guy.

 

[GypsyHummus]

if you live your life paycheck to paycheck and are on foodstamps (which many hard working americans are), then getting that kinda money is not as easy as it looks. I'm happy that contraception has to be provided at no cost to all women. finally contraception isn't something for only those who can afford it. Also, the research has shown over and over again that abstinence teaching in schools not only didn't work but was an enormous failure. the rates of teen births, STDs, anal, and oral sex were much higher with kids who were only taught abstinenece compared to those who were given sex ed and that's because EVERYONE likes to do the no-pants-dance

http://thinkprogress.org/health/2014/02/20/3310751/abstinence-failures-charts/

If people can't afford it, then why are they participating in activities that could bring another person into this world? That is what I don't understand. People need to be responsible for actions that they directly affect, this isn't even a jobs argument. Why should I have my taxes go to fund people getting laid? If you are going to participate in an extra curricular activity that is so high risk, you literally should pay for it.

I don't expect the government to buy my video games and thats what I do for recreation, why should they pick up the tab for other people's sexual escapades with my tax money?

In fact, one of the most effective methods of birth control are video games 😉

 

[guylewis]

ahh, the "if everyone else is already feeding you, they should buy you birth control too" argument...it's sad that we can't assume any personal responsibility out of people

ahhh the libertarian "pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if you're poor it's your own fault" argument...it's sad we can be so greedy

 

[deleted480308]

ahhh the libertarian "pull yourself up by your bootstraps and if you're poor it's your own fault" argument...it's sad we can be so greedy

person A: I want the stuff I earn and little bit of the stuff that everyone else earns too (hardworking american)

Person B: I want the stuff I earn (greedy capitalist pig)

 

[guylewis]

If people can't afford it, then why are they participating in activities that could bring another person into this world? That is what I don't understand. People need to be responsible for actions that they directly affect, this isn't even a jobs argument. Why should I have my taxes go to fund people getting laid? If you are going to participate in an extra curricular activity that is so high risk, you literally should pay for it.

I don't expect the government to buy my video games and thats what I do for recreation, why should they pick up the tab for other people's sexual escapades with my tax money?

In fact, one of the most effective methods of birth control are video games 😉

because STDs and teen pregnancy are public health issues and it should be addressed by our government for the public good. I want a drop in STDs and teen pregnancies and I know that the research has shown that abstinence does not work (see above) and that providing birth control does

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

person A: I want the stuff I earn and little bit of the stuff that everyone else earns too (hardworking american)

Person B: I want the stuff I earn (greedy capitalist pig)

It has nothing to do with that. It has to do with recognizing privilege.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

because STDs, and teen pregnancy is a public health issue and it should be addressed by our government for the public good. I want a drop in STDs and teen pregnancies and I know that the research has shown that abstinence does not work (see above) and that providing birth control does

Some states have blocked mention of any statistics relating to gun safety or sexual safety. And you want to stop on and tell them that abstinence only doesn't work?

Not happening, we live in America.

 

[GypsyHummus]

person A: I want the stuff I earn and little bit of the stuff that everyone else earns too (hardworking american)

Person B: I want the stuff I earn (greedy capitalist pig)

SHAME ON YOU! You were supposed to sop up all the Liberal drivel college professors fed you without question and not think for yourself. You were to be chastised for a difference of opinion, doubly so if you expressed any type of values expressed by the republican or libertarian party.

Did you learn nothing over four years?

 

[guylewis]

person A: I want the stuff I earn and little bit of the stuff that everyone else earns too (hardworking american)

Person B: I want the stuff I earn (greedy capitalist pig)

how did you earn that stuff? did you go to a public school? did you have protection from the police? did you have your house not catch on fire because of firemen? did you drive on roads to go from place to place so that you could earn that money? guess what? all things that were given to you by tax payer money.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

how did you earn that stuff? did you go to a public school? did you have protection from the police? did you have your house not catch on fire because of firemen? did you drive on roads to go from place to place so that you could earn that money? guess what? all things that were given to you by tax payer money.

That's the reality, we're not alone in this, and a libertarian mindset is a poor one in a society that is build like a machine that requires everyone to play a role and help each other out.

No one is strong enough to be alone.

 

[GypsyHummus]

how did you earn that stuff? did you go to a public school? did you have protection from the police? did you have your house not catch on fire because of firemen? did you drive on roads to go from place to place so that you could earn that money? guess what? all things that were given to you by tax payer money.

*in the Emperor's voice* Good guylewis, good. The liberalism has made you powerful. If nobody is responsible for their actions and the government has to get involved to save them, then we the government become all powerful. Never mind there is no wealth being created and that college students can't get jobs, but as long as they are banging on the back of my bucks, everything will be alright.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

SHAME ON YOU! You were supposed to sop up all the Liberal drivel college professors fed you without question and not think for yourself. You were to be chastised for a difference of opinion, doubly so if you expressed any type of values expressed by the republican or libertarian party.

Did you learn nothing over four years?

Without question?... That's odd, I didn't know that discourse was not allowed in a liberal society. Oh wait..

 

[Awesome Sauceome]

Ironically by people who usually idealize warfare and organized murder.

Regardless, there are some states now pushing laws that will criminalize miscarriage as well.

But regardless the issue has nothing to do with murder and more to do with control of women's reproductive rights and to decide her destiny.

The generalizations that you continue to throw out on this website are ASTOUNDING.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

*in the Emperor's voice* Good guylewis, good. The liberalism has made you powerful. If nobody is responsible for their actions and the government has to get involved to save them, then we the government become all powerful. Never mind there is no wealth being created and that college students can't get jobs, but as long as they are banging on the back of my bucks, everything will be alright.

... I'm sorry, but you're going to have to talk slowly and break down where exactly you got this from because this is like a 5th level inference. You're TCAing man. You're going to have to spell out this pathway clearly.

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

The generalizations that you continue to throw out on this website are ASTOUNDING.

Are you trying to tell me that there is not a connection between the warmongering camp and the anti-choice camp?... They're not mutually exclusive but, we're talking about about most people believing both of them.

 

[Roxas]

how did you earn that stuff? did you go to a public school? did you have protection from the police? did you have your house not catch on fire because of firemen? did you drive on roads to go from place to place so that you could earn that money? guess what? all things that were given to you by tax payer money.

But those services aren't the ones in question. I believe the topic of discussion is taxpayer money going to fund others' genital jamborees

 

[radkat101]

If people can't afford it, then why are they participating in activities that could bring another person into this world? That is what I don't understand. People need to be responsible for actions that they directly affect, this isn't even a jobs argument. Why should I have my taxes go to fund people getting laid? If you are going to participate in an extra curricular activity that is so high risk, you literally should pay for it.

I don't expect the government to buy my video games and thats what I do for recreation, why should they pick up the tab for other people's sexual escapades with my tax money?

In fact, one of the most effective methods of birth control are video games 😉

It's been determined to be a necessary evil. Supporter like me don't LIKE the idea of doing it but the overall costs to society have been determined to be less by sucking it up and throwing free contraception at them rather than relying on them to "take responsibility for their actions". Have you spent any considerable amount of time in an ER? This is truly asking a lot from some people unfortunately.

Before we can start weaning people off of food stamps, we, as a society, have to figure out how to boost their socioeconomic status first, and again, thinking that by cutting them off it would suddenly make them take responsibility for their situation without any costs to the rest of us of is delusion.

 

[deleted480308]

how did you earn that stuff? did you go to a public school? did you have protection from the police? did you have your house not catch on fire because of firemen? did you drive on roads to go from place to place so that you could earn that money? guess what? all things that were given to you by tax payer money.

as someone who has been prosperous I ended up paying the taxes that fund all those things you think other people bought for me...I also paid for the food stamps that other people eat

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

But those services aren't the ones in question. I believe the topic of discussion is taxpayer money going to fund others' genital jamborees

and funding hungry mouths is cheaper..?

 

[guylewis]

as someone who has been prosperous I ended up paying the taxes that fund all those things you think other people bought for me...I also paid for the food stamps that other people eat

and how did you end up prosperous? because of all of those things our tax payer money gave you to get to this point. you can't just reap all the benefits and the shut the door behind you so that no one else can be prosperous. that's not how a fair and functioning society works

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

as someone who has been prosperous I ended up paying the taxes that fund all those things you think other people bought for me...I also paid for the food stamps that other people eat

And as someone who's family came over here with a thousand bucks and had to be on welfare for 3-5 years before starting a business and becoming quite rich my family is quite proud to acknowledge that the system works and that we should support others in the same way we were supported.

Please show a little humility and acknowledge that not everyone is born wealthy and everyone should have the chance to make something of themselves. If you cut abortion funding and maternal health ( which is a huge republican thing; which I as an immigrant find disgusting here since even my poor country offered mat leave) then you're dooming generations into poverty.