LUCOM: Pros and Cons from current students

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NurWollen said:
Someone in another thread was just trying to tell me there is no animosity towards religion in modern society. Lol.
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I think it's funny. Religion discriminates against Gays and its freedom. Agnostics/Atheists crap on religion and it's discrimination. **** them.
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NontradCA said:
I think it's funny. Religion discriminates against Gays and its freedom. Agnostics/Atheists **** on religion and it's discrimination. **** them.
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Whatever man, you're buying the popular description of religion, the sensationalist headlines. It's clear you've made no attempt to understand religious people, or see their pov, or find out what really motivates them and what issues they really care about the most.

Yeah, religion as portrayed by CNN and Bill Maher is a joke. It's also not an accurate portait of the average religious American.
 
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NurWollen said:
Whatever man, you're buying the popular description of religion, the sensationalist headlines. It's clear you've made no attempt to understand religious people, or see their pov, or find out what really motivates them and what issues they really care about the most.

Yeah, religion as portrayed by CNN and Bill Maher is a joke. It's also not an accurate portait of the average religious American.
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I don't watch TV bro. But good try.
 
Wow that's ****ing nuts.
 
MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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Are you sure? I googled her name and homosexuality and came up with this: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/doinglifetogether/2012/09/how-do-i-love-my-gay-son.html. She's not exactly saying the guy should learn to accept his son's orientation, but at least she's saying he should have a positive and accepting relationship with him (I guess he would somehow accept his son but not his sexual orientation?).

I'm not trying to defend liberty or mintle, I'm just genuinely surprised she would write an essay like that and then say "steer the patient towards holiness". Which is a pretty dumb answer IMHO.
 
MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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acapnial said:
Are you sure? I googled her name and homosexuality and came up with this: http://www.beliefnet.com/columnists/doinglifetogether/2012/09/how-do-i-love-my-gay-son.html. She's not exactly saying the guy should learn to accept his son's orientation, but at least she's saying he should have a positive and accepting relationship with him (I guess he would somehow accept his son but not his sexual orientation?).

I'm not trying to defend liberty or mintle, I'm just genuinely surprised she would write an essay like that and then say "steer the patient towards holiness". Which is a pretty dumb answer IMHO.
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Yeah I found that as well. Obviously it wasn't the answer I would have given and the use of "lifestyle" makes me cringe pretty hard but it wasn't a horrible or hateful reply by any means.

That test question tho - uff da
 
MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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Lot of craziness in this post, but why doesn't your class have a separate FB page with no admins for people to vent? Our class has several tiers of FB groups. Professors/admins aren't allowed in all but one.
 
NurWollen said:
The anatomy faculty would pull crap like setting a heart upside down on top of a completely covered cadaver. By the time you figured out which way the heart was sitting, you had to move on, didn't even have time to figure out what was pinned.
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I'm responding to an old post, but it reminded me of my favorite test station of all time: Single bone on a table with the question: "Is this a left or a right fibula?"

/though I'm sure if you combined my school's dark humor and LU's...way of being, I can see an awesome set of questions. Anatomy test station 1: From which of these ribs cometh Eve from Adam?
 
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MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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take a look at this @Goro ...
 
MsCritique said:
so.... this is a bit different from my previous posts. These comments are related to the culture of LUCOM and not to its academics etc.

A warning to current applicants. If you get accepted into many schools, then go to another school. Only come here if it's your only acceptance and you really want to be a doctor. This school has many very religious professors and equally religious students who like to voice their close minded opinions. Alot of the students here live in a bubble, they have no real concept of diversity...other cultures and other religions. They just know what they read on social media and maybe the news ever so often.

We just recently had a review of one of our exams with a controversial exam question. The question went something like this: "A Christian woman comes into your office and is distressed that she is attracted to the same sex. She is convinced that she is not attracted to the opposite sex. As a primary physician, what would be your plan of action?" This question was exploring gender identity issues (a lecture that we had previously).

The correct answer choice was "to steer the patient towards Holiness...." I am not kidding...this was an answer choice...the correct answer choice. other answer choices that were wrong included "explore her sexual history to find out exactly when this event occurred" and other more plausible "boards type" answer choices...that were wrong according to the professor who made it (Dr. Linda Mintle...you guys should google her and tell me what u think). The majority of the students did not choose this "holiness" answer and there was a big debate during the exam review. The outcome? The professors vehemently argued that the answer was correct and refused to allow other answer choices. One of them even got loud and offended that we were "discriminating" against christians. You gotta be ****ing kidding me right?

Also, LUCOM has its own facebook page for its students...and let me tell you what a riot that is. Only positive PG things are to be posted. Anything controversial is asked by professors and the "higher ups" to be deleted. A few students had posted controversial issues like the race wars in Ferguson, Baltimore and New York City and also comments about that ridiculous exam question....and these were taken down. Basically LUCOM puts up this upbeat, positive, eeerily happy facade that was only revealed until now. This school's faculty is very two faced and judgemental.

So. If you are very religious and Christian and like to be told what to do and how to act and to never question anyone... then come here. LUCOM has eyes and ears everywhere.
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Wow... that's.... well, um... I'm kind of speechless.
 
And if you see signs of abuse on a Christian child of a Christian parent - especially a famous Christian TV celebrity - the correct answer choice would be to support, pray and forgive?
 
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hallowmann said:
Yeah... if that's real... I can't say I'm surprised, but... yeah. It really puts things in perspective. Maybe some policies/things my school does aren't so bad.
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Other people on here have stated that was a real question
 
Sigh... I was attacked in another post by Anthonyweiner whom I suspect is a lucom faculty member. He basically said that I was a fraud and not a real lucom student. I have a pic to prove my identity but I'm just scared that the faculty can track the location of the pic
 
On one hand I'm glad nobody ran with the clearly anti-conservative comments made by the poster. On the other, why didn't anyone blast him?
 
MsCritique said:
Sigh... I was attacked in another post by Anthonyweiner whom I suspect is a lucom faculty member. He basically said that I was a fraud and not a real lucom student. I have a pic to prove my identity but I'm just scared that the faculty can track the location of the pic
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can you copy/paste your LUCOM "DO/PhD" acceptance email?
 
MsCritique said:
Can you please elaborate?
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Happily. Why was this clarification necessary? Why would I be disturbed by an outwardly conservative professor? What exactly does this mean? What did he/she say that was so polarizing? Is there something inherently wrong with conservative views?
 
user3 said:
can you copy/paste your LUCOM "DO/PhD" acceptance email?
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I did not get an email about my acceptance. I received a phone call from Dr. Martin himself...and a letter of acceptance in the mail
 
mk04447 said:
Happily. Why was this clarification necessary? Why would I be disturbed by an outwardly conservative professor? What exactly does this mean? What did he/she say that was so polarizing? Is there something inherently wrong with conservative views?
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Having conservative views is one thing... if it affects my medical education is another. Professors at other schools as I am being told here do not make the comments that some lucom professors have made. I respect conservative views but not to the extent that I am prevented from doing a community outreach program on contraceptive health (a proposal turned down by one of the professors)... and also when the women's medic clubs on campus had wanted to do a night of yoga before a stressful exam, this was also turned down because yoga has routes in hinduism. When professors outwardly express their negativity towards a student because they are from California in front of other students...then yes I have a problem
 
MsCritique said:
I did not get an email about my acceptance. I received a phone call from Dr. Martin himself...and a letter of acceptance in the mail
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could you copy/paste any LUCOM student-specific emails from the past year? a SINGLE email sent to your class?
 
Another club did a fund raiser for Parkinsons disease and was going to donate the money to a popular non for profit organization in support of Parkinsons research....however they were told that they cannot donate those funds to that particular organization because they supported stem cell research. So yea...these things bothered me
 
MsCritique said:
Having conservative views is one thing... if it affects my medical education is another. Professors at other schools as I am being told here do not make the comments that some lucom professors have made. I respect conservative views but not to the extent that I am prevented from doing a community outreach program on contraceptive health (a proposal turned down by one of the professors)... and also when the women's medic clubs on campus had wanted to do a night of yoga before a stressful exam, this was also turned down because yoga has routes in hinduism. When professors outwardly express their negativity towards a student because they are from California in front of other students...then yes I have a problem
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Lol. Ok. Millennialism. Not conservatism. You object to being told no for ridiculous ****. Sorry, best to get used to that.
 
The DO/ PhD was the option
in the sdn drop down menu. I am doing only the DO program. Doed SDN have an option simply for DOs?
 
MsCritique said:
The DO/ PhD was the option
in the sdn drop down menu. I am doing only the DO program. Doed SDN have an option simply for DOs?
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Oh, so when alteredscale asked if you were in a do/phd program at lucom you thought he meant a DO program or a PhD program at lucom, not a combined program
 
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But please try to stay on topic, and stay professional/civil. Avoid attacking users or make broad accusations

SDN members have the right to remain as anonymous as they want, but just because you are anonymous doesn't mean you shouldn't behave like a decent person
 
I didn't realize at the time that AlteredScale was referring to the DO/PhD combination aspect of the programs title ....which is a fault of SDN and not mine. I only chose that option because it was the only one with DO in it
 
group_theory said:
Not locking yet

But please try to stay on topic, and stay professional/civil. Avoid attacking users or make broad accusations

SDN members have the right to remain as anonymous as they want, but just because you are anonymous doesn't mean you shouldn't behave like a decent person
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I was accused of being a fake in the other post and nothing happened to those users.
 
Lets not be paranoid. I don't think the school will care if one of their students is a emo activist quack. Who, will receive an enormous beating when they hit the real world. It's funny how many of these people make it this far these days. I suspect it is anti-bullying laws and kinder gentler parenting, in the old days this intolerance would have been beaten from them behind the gym. Too bad, I think the old way hurts less. Nowadays you all post your stupid dissatisfaction when things don't go your way; sniffle. Everything described here sounds like a decent school just trying to remain neutral, it the posters offense thats the problem.
 
mk04447 said:
Lets not be paranoid. I don't think the school will care if one of their students is a emo activist quack. Who, will receive an enormous beating when they hit the real world. It's funny how many of these people make it this far these days. I suspect it is anti-bullying laws and kinder gentler parenting, in the old days this intolerance would have been beaten from them behind the gym. Too bad, I think the old way hurts less. Nowadays you all post your stupid dissatisfaction when things don't go your way; sniffle. Everything described here sounds like a decent school just trying to remain neutral, it the posters offense thats the problem.
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So you have no problem with the test question?
 
mk04447 said:
Lets not be paranoid. I don't think the school will care if one of their students is a emo activist quack. Who, will receive an enormous beating when they hit the real world. It's funny how many of these people make it this far these days. I suspect it is anti-bullying laws and kinder gentler parenting, in the old days this intolerance would have been beaten from them behind the gym. Too bad, I think the old way hurts less. Nowadays you all post your stupid dissatisfaction when things don't go your way; sniffle. Everything described here sounds like a decent school just trying to remain neutral, it the posters offense thats the problem.
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I'm not an emo distressed that I was told no to certain things. Medical education has evolved to be better because of the input and complaints of students. Laws have been made so that students are not taken advantage of (like being over worked). I am grateful to be accepted into medical school... it's an opportunity to become a doctor. However, there are certain Standards that every med school has to be on par with by law. LUCOM does a good job of screening their questions in our bioscience courses and removing inappropriate or poor questions. We even have faculty who were once test question writers for the boards. That religious question was a fluke and I'm surprised that it was approved to be on the exam ..and was not pulled when so many students questioned it.

I guess you are an older person...not that thats bad. You are just used to a certain way of life (a harsher way) than my generation. If someone gives me a beating as you have stated...don't you think that person will be in a lot of trouble legally? That's battery isn't it?
 
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mk04447 said:
Lets not be paranoid. I don't think the school will care if one of their students is a emo activist quack. Who, will receive an enormous beating when they hit the real world. It's funny how many of these people make it this far these days. I suspect it is anti-bullying laws and kinder gentler parenting, in the old days this intolerance would have been beaten from them behind the gym. Too bad, I think the old way hurts less. Nowadays you all post your stupid dissatisfaction when things don't go your way; sniffle. Everything described here sounds like a decent school just trying to remain neutral, it the posters offense thats the problem.
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Btw I have hit the real world and spent alot of time in it before starting medical School. I've even lived for a while in third world countries...so I am in no way spoiled or privileged
 
kenjixshadow said:
Please protect your identity at all cost in case if LUCOM starts an investigation about you. You know, I wouldn't be surprised if they try to dismiss or give you more hassles.
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Thank you. I deleted my post with the email. It's up to the members to believe me or not. I am not a troll or hater...I'm just expressing my candid views on lucom
 
Tired said:
I'll wade in: I don't have a big problem with the question. I don't necessarily agree with it, and I don't really understand what the point of asking a question like that is. But the question itself suffers more from clumsy execution than anything else.

Suppose I phrase it like this:

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A woman struggling with her sexuality comes to your clinic. She is experiencing tension between her deep religious values and her attraction to other women. What would be an appropriate course of action?"

A - ________
B - ________
C - Encourage her to discuss this issue with trusted friends, family members, or clergy
D - ________
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Anyone really have a problem with answer (c)? The problem with the question at LUCOM was that they referred to this as "direct to holiness" or whatever weirdo Protestant nonsense is vogue in that denomination. But I would argue that what they were getting at was an answer along the lines of, "Encourage the patient to discuss this with a trusted representative of their faith." And that is a perfectly acceptable answer.

And before everyone jumps in further with, "No! You have to tell her it's fine to be gay!" recognize that that course of action would be wrong and unprofessional. While it is trendy these days to encourage people to abandon a lifetime of religious faith and values anytime it conflicts with the latest issue of Cosmo, that sentiment from a doctor is inappropriate. It shows a profound lack of understanding about the various things beyond sexuality that go into a person's identity. If you tell this type of patient that they should dismiss their faith and pursue their sexuality, it is very possible you will ruin the patient-physician relationship. Even if they ultimately come to the same conclusion, there is a grieving process that goes along with the loss of a lifelong faith, and a doctor's casual dismissal of that religion will not endear you to the patient, even if you are right.

These kind of issues are not uncommon, and the best possible outcome is for people to work through it themselves, with the physician serving as support, and not a director of action.

Just my 0.02.
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I should have phrased that better. I don't have a problem with the question, I have a problem with the "correct" answer. Your answer was fine
 
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