M.D. vs. D.N.P.

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So my friend who is a nurse wants to become a DNP eventually because he wants to have his own doctors office and be a primary care provider. I've always wanted to be a doctor but the DNP seems very appealing because my friend told me that the only difference between a MD and a DNP is the nursing philosophy which is very helpful to patients. What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards DNP. The holistic approach seems really cool.

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In some cases you might actually be in for more years of training if you go for DNP. Prerequisites for RN school, two years schooling (unless you find a more accelerated program), then a lot of DNP programs require a few years as a floor nurse as I recall. Honestly, if you know for sure that you want to do primary care, go MD/DO and apply for the National Health Service Corps scholarship for primary care in underserved areas--aka get med school paid for.
 
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If you guys watch the video, at 2:07 the DNP clearly says the difference between a nurses and physicians is the philosophy of care provided. So as far as I am concerned, they are equivalent.
 
DrMediterranean said:
If you guys watch the video, at 2:07 the DNP clearly says the difference between a nurses and physicians is the philosophy of care provided. So as far as I am concerned, they are equivalent.
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Um, of course the DNP says that. The reality of the situation is that MD/DOs get leagues better training and education. DNPs are great, not knocking them, but they are a midlevel provider and are not equivalent to physicians, even in primary care.
 
DrMediterranean said:
If you guys watch the video, at 2:07 the DNP clearly says the difference between a nurses and physicians is the philosophy of care provided. So as far as I am concerned, they are equivalent.
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Do it. Don't let us prove you wrong. Nevermind the fact people don't think DOs and MDs are equal in practice, and that DNPs regularly preform embarrassingly bad on physician certification tests, they will never have the practice rights a physician has and they will never be accepted as a physician equivalent. And if a youtube propaganda video is swaying you, I have a list of things to watch that will change your life forever.
 
All he's saying is that the role of the nurse is too small, without any explanation or supporting arguments for why he is equal to a PCP.
 
DrMediterranean said:
If you guys watch the video, at 2:07 the DNP clearly says the difference between a nurses and physicians is the philosophy of care provided. So as far as I am concerned, they are equivalent.
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Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

But seriously, they're not even close to being equivalent. If you're going to tell me that a DNP can provide equal care to a board certified Family Practitioner, you're out of your mind.
 
Cinclus said:
April 1st is almost over, thank goodness. It's mad craziness all over the forums today.
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+1. I can't believe people are giving serious responses to this.
 
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DrMediterranean said:
If you guys watch the video, at 2:07 the DNP clearly says the difference between a nurses and physicians is the philosophy of care provided. So as far as I am concerned, they are equivalent.
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no one cares about your concerns
 
DrMediterranean said:
So my friend who is a nurse wants to become a DNP eventually because he wants to have his own doctors office and be a primary care provider. I've always wanted to be a doctor but the DNP seems very appealing because my friend told me that the only difference between a MD and a DNP is the nursing philosophy which is very helpful to patients. What do you guys think? I'm leaning towards DNP. The holistic approach seems really cool.

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_65woayNegM[/YOUTUBE]
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MDs are cruel heartless bastards that only care about the disease process and the correlating treatment algorithms. Upon graduation, most MDs give up their soul so they don't have to waste time caring about a patient's individual or spiritual needs. Putting DNPs on par with MDs is fine because most of the education MDs get during their 11+ years of post-secondary education is useless fluff anyway. 👍
 
Hmmm. This guy reminds me of something....

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It totally depends in the state you plan to practice in on how much autonomy you actually get. There is a big diff between the two. Hopefully you won't be like the DNP I work with who like to be called doctor.

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The real question is,

Why is that nurse wearing a lab coat?
 
I kinda disagree with all the DNP hate. They perform a needed midlevel role in healthcare. I really doubt the majority of DNPs are out there claiming that they are the equivalent of a physician. I think most of this crap stems from people on SDN looking to hate on someone they perceive as "lower".
 
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sliceofbread136 said:
I kinda disagree with all the DNP hate. They perform a needed midlevel role in healthcare. I really doubt the majority of DNPs are out there claiming that they are the equivalent of a physician. I think most of this crap stems from people on SDN looking to hate on someone they perceive as "lower".
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Did you listen to what that guy was saying? He things DNP's cannot provide enough care because they cannot prescribe medicine, which is something he thinks he should be able to do. His entire message is: "I am a doctor and should be treated like one".
 
I understand that there are some reservations to DNP expansion of practice rights but they just want to help provide healthcare to areas that are less accessible. Thus, they should be able to bill independently especially if they are doing the same job as a physician.
 
SunsFun said:
Did you listen to what that guy was saying? He things DNP's cannot provide enough care because they cannot prescribe medicine, which is something he thinks he should be able to do. His entire message is: "I am a doctor and should be treated like one".
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I didn't watch the video, and I doubt I would agree with what he says. But I also don't agree with the general hate that SDN has on DNPs. For example, read the comments on the SDN article on DNPs. There is so much hate mongering it is absolutely disgusting.
 
ensuii said:
MDs are cruel heartless bastards that only care about the disease process and the correlating treatment algorithms. Upon graduation, most MDs give up their soul so they don't have to waste time caring about a patient's individual or spiritual needs. Putting DNPs on par with MDs is fine because most of the education MDs get during their 11+ years of post-secondary education is useless fluff anyway. 👍
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My thoughts exactly!!! You are cool, man.
 
anegron519 said:
It's not discusting at all. Have you been to nurse forums at all? The DNP's on their honestly believe that they are equivalent and have better patient practice than doctors do. I've known 4 year RN's who are out of their mind thinking they know as much as MD's with my other RN friends telling them they are insane.

Nurses are great, my mom is a nurse, but even she is surprised with the amount of **** nurses talk when it comes to being on par with MD's. Just because they administer what the MD tells them to do doesn't mean they can do what he does. And DNP's are great, they help a lot in ER's and have a place in medicine, but the title of Dr in a hospital setting really should be controlled for patience who don't realize what they are getting. I have and in the future always will ask for the MD when a NP walks in.
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You are so ignorant on this matter! Nurses get tons of clinical training when they work as nurses before they get their DNP. They have so many more personal interactions with the patient! I can't believe you would do that to a nice NP who is just trying to medically treat you.
 
anegron519 said:
It's not discusting at all. Have you been to nurse forums at all? The DNP's on their honestly believe that they are equivalent and have better patient practice than doctors do. I've known 4 year RN's who are out of their mind thinking they know as much as MD's with my other RN friends telling them they are insane.

Nurses are great, my mom is a nurse, but even she is surprised with the amount of **** nurses talk when it comes to being on par with MD's. Just because they administer what the MD tells them to do doesn't mean they can do what he does. And DNP's are great, they help a lot in ER's and have a place in medicine, but the title of Dr in a hospital setting really should be controlled for patience who don't realize what they are getting. I have and in the future always will ask for the MD when a NP walks in.

There are quite a bit of MD's and nurses going at it on the nurse forums. And YES, there are a lot of Dr's who can be high on themselves but nurses need a reality check. There's a reason why MD's need to review what they do after they see patients.
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And the cycle continues....
 
the problem isn't with DNPs in general, it is with DNPs claiming they are equivalent to physicians. And until they can back it up, they shouldn't be saying it. They want to be called doctor in the hospital, and I agree with anegron. It is detrimental to the patient.
 
I think the important takeaway from the CNN video is that DNP's have a different philosophy than MD's. A DNP takes a holistic approach, which makes their patient care superior to an MD's.

So really it is DNP = DO > MD.
 
FrkyBgStok said:
the problem isn't with DNPs in general, it is with DNPs claiming they are equivalent to physicians. And until they can back it up, they shouldn't be saying it. They want to be called doctor in the hospital, and I agree with anegron. It is detrimental to the patient.
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They should be called doctor because they got a DOCTORAL degree! They earned it!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRR
 
DrMediterranean said:
They should be called doctor because they got a DOCTORAL degree! They earned it!!!!!!!!!!! GRRRRR
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Not in the hospital. That is why I wouldn't call my physics professor Dr. in the hospital. Or any other PhD. Sure they can be called doctor everywhere else. When they are asked what they do, they can't even say "i am a doctor nurse" or whatever. But my belief is that, within the hospital, nobody is every called doctor except the physicians.
 
What I've gathered:

The AMA has a hard enough time justifying the existence of two essentially equivalent degrees (MD and DO). DNP would have a hard time getting past the resistance of the AMA and other groups in terms of justifying the purpose of the DNP program if they are to essentially provide the same care that can be provided by an MD or DO. Getting to know the patients on a personal level is not justification IMO.
 
Bacchus said:
NPs can have autonomy when they complete the same requirements as me and my peers. Until then, no.

~700 clinical hours vs. 10000. Hmmm.
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Don't be jelly that one can get a DNP degree online but you'll have to do a real, in-the-flesh residency. 😉

TheMightySmiter said:
In some cases you might actually be in for more years of training if you go for DNP. Prerequisites for RN school, two years schooling (unless you find a more accelerated program), then a lot of DNP programs require a few years as a floor nurse as I recall. Honestly, if you know for sure that you want to do primary care, go MD/DO and apply for the National Health Service Corps scholarship for primary care in underserved areas--aka get med school paid for.
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This is false. Working as a nurse is not training to be a DNP. If that were the case, then logically all the hours that pre-meds work as CNAs and EMT would count as training toward being a doctor. Doh.

dagnytaggart said:
Don't know anyhing about NP's or their training and don't have time to watch that video right now but, I have not and will not make an appointment with them and here is why......Seeing an NP instead of an MD or DO is, in my mind, like eating fat free ice cream. You're eating ice cream, but it's not really ice cream.
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Except in this case, the fat-free ice cream might kill you.
 
Oh and does the whole credential craze amuse anyone else? You don't see see doctors going around with BS MD FAAP, or even for some folks BS MS MD or BS MS PHD MD. Heck you might even see BA M.ARCH MD. The initials just get ridiculous.
 
The one thing I really hate about this story is a complete lack of effort from AMA to defend its point of view. In this country what matters is what people believe in and not whats true and while this clown is presenting all over CNN in a white coat telling people BS, the doctors are silently rolling their eyes instead of sending someone to shut him up for good.
 
Joe the Plumber said:
Oh and does the whole credential craze amuse anyone else? You don't see see doctors going around with BS MD FAAP, or even for some folks BS MS MD or BS MS PHD MD. Heck you might even see BA M.ARCH MD. The initials just get ridiculous.
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No nurse will ever beat this guy: http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~jadvar/ :laugh: He's even got two other Master's degrees he doesn't list behind his name...
 
OP is an April fool for posting after noon.
 
Uh-Oh, the DNP wannabes have figured how to make text-to-movie videos TOO!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYrEy9NHKPY[/YOUTUBE]
 
gettheleadout said:
No nurse will ever beat this guy: http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~jadvar/ :laugh: He's even got two other Master's degrees he doesn't list behind his name...
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Lol, at least on his coat he only has M.D., Ph.D. That's not too bad. What is bad is his palette of degrees...holy crap...

B.S. M.S. M.S.E. MPH MBA Ph.D. M.D.

Edit: This guy is one smart mother f-er. Iowa State, U of Wisconsin, U of Michigan, U of Chicago, UCSF, Stanford, Harvard, USC, Cambridge, Oxford, Penn...Jesus H. Christ those are some sick credentials

Whyyyyyyyyyyyy???

My dad "only" has A.S. B.S. M.Ed MA MPhil and Ph.D. and I thought he was crazy!
 
gettheleadout said:
No nurse will ever beat this guy: http://www-hsc.usc.edu/~jadvar/ :laugh: He's even got two other Master's degrees he doesn't list behind his name...
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You keep it going man, you keep those books rolling,
You pick up those books your going to read
And not remember and you roll man.
You get that a sociate degree, okay,
Then you get your bachelors, then you get your masters
Then you get your master's masters,
Then you get your doctron,
You go man, then when everybody says quit
You show them those degree man, when
Everybody says hey, your not working,
Your not making in money,
You say look at my degrees and you look at my life,
Yeah i'm 52, so what, hate all you want,
But i'm smart, i'm so smart, and i'm in school,
And these guys are out here making
Money all these ways, and i'm spended mine to be smart.
You know why?
Because when i die, buddy, you know
What going to keep me warm, that right, those degrees
 
Haha, I work as a tutor for undergrad sciences, and I get a lot of BSN students, one of my favorite lines is: "I'm just not really that in to the science-y parts of medicine"
I wonder if this carries over to DNP programs.
 
Bacchus said:
NPs can have autonomy when they complete the same requirements as me and my peers. Until then, no.

~700 clinical hours vs. 10000. Hmmm.
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That is exactly what I am talking about. I'm sorry to say it, but all the nurses that come from my school can't even draw blood correctly. So giving them the responsibilities of a medical doctor is ridiculous.
 
kautionwirez said:
You keep it going man, you keep those books rolling,
You pick up those books your going to read
And not remember and you roll man.
You get that a sociate degree, okay,
Then you get your bachelors, then you get your masters
Then you get your master's masters,
Then you get your doctron,
You go man, then when everybody says quit
You show them those degree man, when
Everybody says hey, your not working,
Your not making in money,
You say look at my degrees and you look at my life,
Yeah i'm 52, so what, hate all you want,
But i'm smart, i'm so smart, and i'm in school,
And these guys are out here making
Money all these ways, and i'm spended mine to be smart.
You know why?
Because when i die, buddy, you know
What going to keep me warm, that right, those degrees
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oh gosh bustin' out the kanye :laugh:
 
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