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Hi everyone I am a second year pharmacy student at Temple University. I am wondering if anyone has tips on how I can secure a mail order pharmacy or long term care pharmacy position as a pharmacist after I graduate. Thank you!

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Make a list of every LTC and Mail Order pharmacy in your area and apply to everyone of them as a tech or intern. Never stop applying and use any connect you can to get a job while you are in school.

If you don’t hear anything back in a reasonable amount of time start cold calling them and asking if you can shadow a pharmacist to learn more about the setting. Do anything you can to stay in touch and try to develop a connection with the hiring manager.

If you can’t convert a job as an intern into a job as a pharmacist, it’s hopeless. I can’t think of a bigger advantage except perhaps nepotism, which as a strategy is hard to develop.
 
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Good golly dude - what’s with posting this a bazillion times?

Anyways - you need to get the obligatory treatment to prepare you for the future:

You do realize that your best option is to cut your losses as a P2 and run from this nightmare as fast as possible right? What are better options? Pretty much anything over 25 bucks an hour with benefits (I’m serious - especially if you have kids).

However - If you are one of the special ones (like everyone else in pharmacy school right now) and think that the market will treat you differently, then I would recommend to simply find a job as a technician wherever it is you want to be and make connections that way.

If that does not work out - gird your loins for some serious pill bottle filling while being treated like the worlds biggest a$$hole for all hours of the business day. I mean wth do you want a PA for on every 3rd medication for? This is your fault right? Day after day…. It does not stop - until your heart stops of course. Welcome to the machine..
 
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I know a newlywed couple who went a combined $700k into debt in their 30s at an expensive pharmacy school. One has a job 50 min away in the middle of nowhere and the other is struggling to find permanent employment. It's so comedic but yet sad. I have relatives in nursing who make just as much, if not more, and without the debt. I myself will have half their debt yet make 2x their COMBINED income as a physician. Pharmacy is really a predatory field unless you have a full ride and your family owns a chain of pharmacies where you can work

Typically I make every effort to be an a$$ to physicians who come here to rub our nose in it - but in this case I simply can not disagree with anything you said.

Your right - pharmacy academia has become predatory and has feasted on the opiate of government money.

At least physicians have reasonably controlled the ins/outs of their profession and blocked the predatory model of opening endless schools to cash government checks.. We, on the other hand, collectively lack the fortitude and stewardship needed to keep our profession viable for the long run.
 
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You need to research licensing in states that have multiple mail orders in the same commuting area. AZ, IL, FL, and a couple of others (TX but more geographically dispersed, CA likewise) have the right mix you want. PA is one of them, but it's always been a saturated market. I'd really suggest you pursue one of those three licenses out of school if that's the intent in addition to a state that you want to live in given no financial issues.
 
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At least physicians have reasonably controlled the ins/outs of their profession and blocked the predatory model of opening endless schools to cash government checks..
Caribbean medical schools suggest otherwise. Predatory private schools are hardly exclusive to pharmacy.

And mid level creep suggests that physicians are not protecting their turf nearly well enough.
 
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Caribbean medical schools suggest otherwise. Predatory private schools are hardly exclusive to pharmacy.

And mid level creep suggests that physicians are not protecting their turf nearly well enough.

Yea - I dunno. It was not too long ago that I was reading about some statistics in med school that shows that the rate of new graduates is only increasing appropriately with population. You may be right though - and I certainly agree with the mid level creep also. They also cited some legal action they used to prevent the opening of new schools.

I’ll try to find the articles and share them.
 
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Yea - I dunno. It was not too long ago that I was reading about some statistics in med school that shows that the rate of new graduates is only increasing appropriately with population. You may be right though - and I certainly agree with the mid level creep also.

I’ll try to find the articles and share them.
Oh and to be clear I do agree that physicians have a much better outlook than pharmacy. I’m not insane. ;)
 
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Oh and to be clear I do agree that physicians have a much better outlook than pharmacy. I’m not insane. ;)

Haha! Come one Owle - we are all a little insane right?
 
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"I wish I did DO like my friends, I had the grades and they're all making 2-3x for the same work".
“For the same work” is a pretty dubious claim IMO but I do agree with the larger point. Of course a DO has better prospects than a RPh.

Everything I know about Caribbean medical schools has suggested they are highly predatory, but I will not pretend to be an expert on them and I could easily be mistaken.
 
I still have classmates who haven't paid off their loans after 7 years. Can't imagine how long it would take them if they were getting paid 40s-50s per hour like new grade are now.
 
I still have classmates who haven't paid off their loans after 7 years. Can't imagine how long it would take them if they were getting paid 40s-50s per hour like new grade are now.

Probably the same amount of time. I bet they just pay the minimum every month.
 
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They ARE highly predatory. SGU for example can run you $400k+ and approximately 30-40% will flunk out within the first 1-2 years with $200k in debt. Of the 1000 matches, 30% are SOAP (they don't match on match day and have to battle for the leftovers/malignant programs). Another 200-300 don't match at all from those who graduate.

The problem is that everyone with a 2.5/494 MCAT thinks they can be a doctor if they "work hard enough". Some will make it to second year but never pass USMLE and get dismissed, some will take 5+ years to graduate and never match. SGU (and other Caribb) model is to maximize profit. If they only accepted higher stat students they'd have better numbers but $$ is a priority.

No USMD is predatory. With DO schools some of the newer ones have questionable procedures. There have been some that lose 10-15% of their students in the first two years, and ARCOM recently only 65% passed COMLEX for the class of 2023 (MUCH easier exam than the USMLE for MDs)
For my own understanding, what does SOAP stand for in this context? Thanks!

I appreciate all your info in here — it‘s the truth. I work with doctors and if I wasn‘t so hardheaded about wanting to be a pharmacist, I may have headed that direction myself. I probably should have. But the ROI vs opportunity costs this late in the game is probably too low to be worthwhile for me.
 
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Oh and to be clear I do agree that physicians have a much better outlook than pharmacy. I’m not insane. ;)

Depends. Many specialists do for now, but I fear for the classical primary care ones: Family Practice, non-hospitalist Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Geriatrics. I consider primary care medicine untenable as of right now for a sustained practice. That lot is going to have a hard time now and in the future.
 
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Depends. Many specialists do for now, but I fear for the classical primary care ones: Family Practice, non-hospitalist Internal Medicine, Pediatrics, and Geriatrics. I consider primary care medicine untenable as of right now for a sustained practice. That lot is going to have a hard time now and in the future.
I agree. Eventually, it's going to be mid levels doing basic primary care and physicians will just be the specialists.

Until the quantum computer AI robots come for everyone's job, of course.
 
To expand upon the original topic- LTC and mail order jobs aren't even great. Don't be mistaken. They're just "better than retail". I've worked all 3. Retail simply sucks. Mail order for me was a metrics obsessed assembly line and treated their pharmacists pretty much like dirt. LTC is largely unstable and you never know how long your job will be around as most smaller indys are selling out to large corporations who fire everyone and bring in their own skeleton staff. Just had that happen to a local indy here. There one month- next month, fired everyone and closed up shop. No notice whatsoever. The lesson to be learned here- there are NO good pharmacy jobs unless you get that one in a million unicorn job, which is like hitting the lottery. So ask yourself- do you feel lucky? If not- cut your losses early.
 
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To expand upon the original topic- LTC and mail order jobs aren't even great. Don't be mistaken. They're just "better than retail". I've worked all 3. Retail simply sucks. Mail order for me was a metrics obsessed assembly line and treated their pharmacists pretty much like dirt. LTC is largely unstable and you never know how long your job will be around as most smaller indys are selling out to large corporations who fire everyone and bring in their own skeleton staff. Just had that happen to a local indy here. There one month- next month, fired everyone and closed up shop. No notice whatsoever. The lesson to be learned here- there are NO good pharmacy jobs unless you get that one in a million unicorn job, which is like hitting the lottery. So ask yourself- do you feel lucky? If not- cut your losses early.

This is true. The LTC where I work got bought by a big company and it's run on a skeleton schedule now. We were happy as clams until they came along. It doesn't affect me as much at night but I do a lot of dayshift work that doesn't get done now. I'm pretty sure every pharmacist is actively looking for something else but there's not much out there.

I don't know why anyone wants to be a pharmacist anymore. Every pharmacist I know hates their job except the few with unicorn positions.
 
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We haven't been bought out. Yet. Boss is just "frugal" and makes us work with scraps. Yes- more daywork leaks over to night. And having to account for sloppy daywork is becoming a REAL problem. We just got 500 more beds. He had previously laid off most of our experienced tech staff and has now replaced them with random people off the street. There is no one experienced here left to train them. Most new employees don't survive their first week let alone probation. It could be made better. It just isn't. No incentive for "frugal" boss to change anything, since- for him- it's "working". Sound fun? That's LTC on a good day. And people in retail DREAM about this job....LOL.

But then I guess people in hell dream about purgatory. It's all a matter of perspective.
 
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We haven't been bought out. Yet. Boss is just "frugal" and makes us work with scraps. Yes- more daywork leaks over to night. And having to account for sloppy daywork is becoming a REAL problem. We just got 500 more beds. He had previously laid off most of our experienced tech staff and has now replaced them with random people off the street. There is no one experienced here left to train them. Most new employees don't survive their first week let alone probation. It could be made better. It just isn't. No incentive for "frugal" boss to change anything, since- for him- it's "working". Sound fun? That's LTC on a good day. And people in retail DREAM about this job....LOL.

But then I guess people in hell dream about purgatory. It's all a matter of perspective.

Yup the grass is always greener. I dreamed of a remote verification position, but after speaking to some it doesn't sound that great. They said it gets extremely busy and you're always worried about the metrics.

One thing in common I find is that management is to blame for most of the problems. Pharmacists are not good managers. Or you have random non pharmacists running the place who have no idea what we do.
 
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But then I guess people in hell dream about purgatory. It's all a matter of perspective.
Very well said. There is probably some Hedonic adaptation in there as well. You can always find some greener pastures to wish you were grazing on.
 
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Yup the grass is always greener. I dreamed of a remote verification position, but after speaking to some it doesn't sound that great. They said it gets extremely busy and you're always worried about the metrics.

One thing in common I find is that management is to blame for most of the problems. Pharmacists are not good managers. Or you have random non pharmacists running the place who have no idea what we do.

One (mail order) remote verification job a friend of mine works at features the following: constant mandatory overtime (can't take PTO in Dec-March), requesting PTO a year in advance like retail, constant micromanaging (metrics), meetings with supervisor every 2 weeks, monitoring keyboard strokes/mouse clicks as well as phone calls. Sure it's WFH, but it's a WFH Uyghur labor camp.
 
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One (mail order) remote verification job a friend of mine works at features the following: constant mandatory overtime (can't take PTO in Dec-March), requesting PTO a year in advance like retail, constant micromanaging (metrics), meetings with supervisor every 2 weeks, monitoring keyboard strokes/mouse clicks as well as phone calls. Sure it's WFH, but it's a WFH Uyghur labor camp.

I actually liked requesting PTO a year in advance. Made planning vacations easy. Now I have to wait for weeks or even months for my requested time off to get approved.
 
Yup the grass is always greener. I dreamed of a remote verification position, but after speaking to some it doesn't sound that great. They said it gets extremely busy and you're always worried about the metrics.

One thing in common I find is that management is to blame for most of the problems. Pharmacists are not good managers. Or you have random non pharmacists running the place who have no idea what we do.
Our management are pharmacists. but the refer to themselves a "businessmen" and bear no resemblance to the real pharmacists. Our even go so far as to refer questions to "a real pharmacist" when being asked something pharmacy related. So for all intensive purposes they're just (overeducated) bean counters
 
Our management are pharmacists. but the refer to themselves a "businessmen" and bear no resemblance to the real pharmacists. Our even go so far as to refer questions to "a real pharmacist" when being asked something pharmacy related. So for all intensive purposes they're just (overeducated) bean counters

So they're basically like DMs in retail? One time a DM was visiting my CVS store and he went up to consult up help a customer - I was impressed. But all he did was tell them to wait there for the pharmacist to answer their question.
 
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Yup the grass is always greener. I dreamed of a remote verification position, but after speaking to some it doesn't sound that great. They said it gets extremely busy and you're always worried about the metrics.

One thing in common I find is that management is to blame for most of the problems. Pharmacists are not good managers. Or you have random non pharmacists running the place who have no idea what we do.

You work in a LTC pharmacy right? Did you transition over from retail? i am interviewing for a night shift position and I am searching for information about how it's like to make the switch. I have zero experience in LTC and think they are probably interviewing me because covid is wiping out their team so I expect to be given minimal training even if I get accepted.
 
Why do you want these jobs?
Honestly if someone spends 4 years of their life and 200k+ in tuition money just to aim for an LTC or mail order position....

Congratulations, you played yourself.gif
 
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Honestly if someone spends 4 years of their life and 200k+ in tuition money just to aim for an LTC or mail order position....

Congratulations, you played yourself.gif

Not to mention - these jobs have been steadily declining in desirability in recent years.

LTC has become jam packed with nurses who take, take, take, and when you ask them to meet you in the middle somewhere they look at you like you have 7 heads. If you think about pushing back - forget it - it is very similar to when you push back to an unreasonable customer in retail. We are in a perpetual state of being subservient to everyone who we work with.
 
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You work in a LTC pharmacy right? Did you transition over from retail? i am interviewing for a night shift position and I am searching for information about how it's like to make the switch. I have zero experience in LTC and think they are probably interviewing me because covid is wiping out their team so I expect to be given minimal training even if I get accepted.
I transferred directly from retail. My only LTC experience was 20 years ago. when I started out of school. Most LTC places don't care about experience. We just hired a guy here who had only ever been a retail floater. A lot of what you learn is so specific to the facilities you service that on the job training is pretty much a must anyway. Our new pharmacists here train for up to a year before working alone or having any real responsibility placed on them. But their "training"- so to speak- is mostly through osmosis. We sit you down, you enter orders and sink or swim otherwise. Most pharmacists simply can't teach or train in any effective manner, so we don't really even try.

Yeah- the fact that people aspire to this says a lot about the state of the profession. I always describe LTC as the bastard son of retail and hospital. There is some clinical stuff (unlike retail). So if that turns you on it's a plus and a reason to choose LTC over retail (which is largely running a cash register and pretending to care about your patients). But there is also some concern about pricing/billing/insurance like in retail. So experience in insurance cards is also helpful to try to get meds covered. We do have billing people to do most of that, but night shift has to do a lot of it solo. You typically work in a windowless pharmacy. ****ty XM music plays over the speakers, the songs repeated so often that if feels like the same one over and over. The pharmacy itself is filthy top to bottom, as no one ever cleans and the owner is too cheap to hire someone else to do it. There is little guidance or input from management. Pretty much the only feedback you get is if you screw something up (so in that way it's a LOT like retail). I don't find the night nurses a problem. Approach everything with humor and realize their jobs are fairly ****ty too. Misery loves company. Very little contact with physicians at night- only occasionally to get auth for stat narcotics. You'll quickly be amazed how many active, enthusiastic narc prescribers have no concept of any laws regarding controlled substances. Most patients come into LTC facilities already hopelessly addicted to pain meds so you'll be dealing with this A LOT. If you service bottom of the barrel facilities (as we proudly do), you might be surprised how little nursing/physicians (and eventually yourself) care for patients wellbeing. Almost as if they already consider the patients written off. You'll develop a cynical attitude and a thick skin quickly if you don't already have one to start.

That- in a nutshell- is LTC. Our slogan is "we're still better than retail". Is it the best you can do as a pharmacy career? Probably not. But you could do a lot worse. Therein lies the true horror of the profession.
 
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Honestly if someone spends 4 years of their life and 200k+ in tuition money just to aim for an LTC or mail order position....

Congratulations, you played yourself.gif
In a sense, haven't we all been played?
 
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I transferred directly from retail. My only LTC experience was 20 years ago. when I started out of school. Most LTC places don't care about experience. We just hired a guy here who had only ever been a retail floater. A lot of what you learn is so specific to the facilities you service that on the job training is pretty much a must anyway. Our new pharmacists here train for up to a year before working alone or having any real responsibility placed on them. But their "training"- so to speak- is mostly through osmosis. We sit you down, you enter orders and sink or swim otherwise. Most pharmacists simply can't teach or train in any effective manner, so we don't really even try.

Yeah- the fact that people aspire to this says a lot about the state of the profession. I always describe LTC as the bastard son of retail and hospital. There is some clinical stuff (unlike retail). So if that turns you on it's a plus and a reason to choose LTC over retail (which is largely running a cash register and pretending to care about your patients). But there is also some concern about pricing/billing/insurance like in retail. So experience in insurance cards is also helpful to try to get meds covered. We do have billing people to do most of that, but night shift has to do a lot of it solo. You typically work in a windowless pharmacy. ****ty XM music plays over the speakers, the songs repeated so often that if feels like the same one over and over. The pharmacy itself is filthy top to bottom, as no one ever cleans and the owner is too cheap to hire someone else to do it. There is little guidance or input from management. Pretty much the only feedback you get is if you screw something up (so in that way it's a LOT like retail). I don't find the night nurses a problem. Approach everything with humor and realize their jobs are fairly ****ty too. Misery loves company. Very little contact with physicians at night- only occasionally to get auth for stat narcotics. You'll quickly be amazed how many active, enthusiastic narc prescribers have no concept of any laws regarding controlled substances. If you service bottom of the barrel facilities (as we do), you might be surprised how little nursing/physicians (and eventually yourself) care for patients wellbeing. Almost as if they already consider the patients written off. You'll develop a cynical attitude and a thick skin quickly if you don't already have one to start.

That- in a nutshell- is LTC. Our slogan is "we're still better than retail". Is it the best you can do as a pharmacy career? Probably not. But you could do a lot worse. Therein lies the true horror of the profession.
This post is so well written. As someone who's been in LTC for the past 13 years this is 100% true. The last sentence though... LTC isn't exactly a unicorn job with its odd hours and being on-call... but it's really horrifying how low the bar is set in pharmacy working conditions to make LTC appear desirable
 
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Hehe. Yeah I knew anyone in LTC could find this accurate. Every LTC pharmacy I've ever worked for has been much the same. Thanks for saying it's "well written". I do try . Sometimes.
 
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No more on call for us! I split nights with another night only pharmacist, each of us working 4 10 hour shifts a week with one day overlap. That has eliminated on call for our people. And a long weekend every week is kind of sweet..... Only been doing this 2 weeks, but seems nice so far...
 
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No more on call for us! I split nights with another night only pharmacist, each of us working 4 10 hour shifts a week with one day overlap. That has eliminated on call for our people. And a long weekend every week is kind of sweet..... Only been doing this 2 weeks, but seems nice so far...
How does this work exactly? One does a Mon-Thurs and the other a Fri-Mon assuming Monday is the overlap day?
 
Hehe. Yeah I knew anyone in LTC could find this accurate. Every LTC pharmacy I've ever worked for has been much the same. Thanks for saying it's "well written". I do try . Sometimes.
I mean I think it is a little cynical but…yeah, ok, fair enough. It’s still a job and the job has its pros and cons. It’s hardly some kind of paradise, unless you recently escaped retail then it probably seems like paradise.

I cannot imagine a year for getting new people up to snuff though. That’s insane.

My new place pays a company to take our after hour calls so that’s cool, no being on call. Love it. We will have overnight pharmacists soon enough anyway.
 
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Yes it's cynical....but not really exaggerated, is it? Anyway- for the 10 hour shift thing, each of us work 4x10 hour days. I work 8pm to 6am. This works for me as I was always having to come in early to bail out 2-10 pharmacists and this makes it so I have some extra time to get things in order before I'm solo. I work mon, tues, wed, thurs. every week. Other rph works fri, sat, sun, and mon. Monday tends to be our busiest day so we both work that day- I work 8-6, she works 10-8. Only been doing it 2 weeks so far.

As far as the 1 year training- yes, it's not ideal. I only got a month and a half before I went solo on nights- but they had high expectations as I had LTC experience and knew the software (more or less). The training was NOT ideal. Designated trainer was not great- anal retentive and would kick me out of the way every time the fax machine had more than about 5 rxs in the queue. Hard to learn that way, so there was a LOT I didn't formally know when I started. But it gave the day people a reason to bitch about me, which they seem to enjoy. I'm always up for providing entertainment. And since my presence relieved them of being on call weeknights, I could shut 'em up pretty fast by telling them I didn't really like the job. They knew no one else would do it, and didn't want to start being on call again. People are generally petty and like the opportunity to denigrate someone, be it retail or LTC. I get it. You just have to know how to fight back effectively.

But the "one year"" thing is what most people seem capable of. Sadly. We NEVER seem to get fully trained LTC people. Some applicants say they have experience and maybe they do- on paper. But that rarely works out to be anything useful. We have an RPh who has been here almost a year. Her first solo weekend shift is coming up. Not convinced it will be pretty but we'll see.
 
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You work in a LTC pharmacy right? Did you transition over from retail? i am interviewing for a night shift position and I am searching for information about how it's like to make the switch. I have zero experience in LTC and think they are probably interviewing me because covid is wiping out their team so I expect to be given minimal training even if I get accepted.

@Xenophylia summed it up. Yeah I went from CVS overnight to LTC overnight and thought it was paradise at first. I had some hospital experience from a per diem too. There isn't much clinical stuff in LTC even though we call ourselves clinical pharmacists. We do IVs and occasionally do vanco dosing, that's as clinical as it gets. Things were pretty easy until a big company bought us out. Now they are running the place like CVS with a skeleton schedule. The queue is constantly behind. So it's pretty much retail now, minus the customers. Although some nurses can be just as annoying.

I've been looking for another job but nothing seems appealing. Got a hospital offer but it sounds crazy busy and stressful. Got a remote verification offer but it also sounds stressful and with less pay.
 
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Yeah..... A real job sounds almost too exhausting and stressful anymore.
 
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Thank you for all the good replies. Xenophylia's description of his boss sounds just like mine. I am currently working at an independent retail and it is just as dysfunctional as dysfunctional can get. But then I guess that describes most pharmacy settings nowadays.

How bad are the nurses? I remember the nasty hospital nurses back from my rotation days but it seems like the LTC ones are another species together.
 
Thank you for all the good replies. Xenophylia's description of his boss sounds just like mine. I am currently working at an independent retail and it is just as dysfunctional as dysfunctional can get. But then I guess that describes most pharmacy settings nowadays.

How bad are the nurses? I remember the nasty hospital nurses back from my rotation days but it seems like the LTC ones are another species together.
They're not as nasty, but also not as intelligent.
 
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Thank you for all the good replies. Xenophylia's description of his boss sounds just like mine. I am currently working at an independent retail and it is just as dysfunctional as dysfunctional can get. But then I guess that describes most pharmacy settings nowadays.

How bad are the nurses? I remember the nasty hospital nurses back from my rotation days but it seems like the LTC ones are another species together.

Not a fan of the nurses at my hospital. They can never find medications. They don't read the special instructions that we enter. God forbid you sent up a 24-48 hour supply of something, the first nurse who opens the bag will not return the bag to the proper place and then the second nurse who needs something will end up calling pharmacy for something that is probably sitting in the return bin on the nursing unit.

God forbid you get angry at them or fight back, you'll get in trouble with the nursing supervisor who will later complain to your director. And the major problem there is, the Director of Pharmacy answers to the Director of Nursing, so they will never defend you.
 
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Not a fan of the nurses at my hospital. They can never find medications. They don't read the special instructions that we enter. God forbid you sent up a 24-48 hour supply of something, the first nurse who opens the bag will not return the bag to the proper place and then the second nurse who needs something will end up calling pharmacy for something that is probably sitting in the return bin on the nursing unit.

God forbid you get angry at them or fight back, you'll get in trouble with the nursing supervisor who will later complain to your director. And the major problem there is, the Director of Pharmacy answers to the Director of Nursing, so they will never defend you.

Yup. Never argue with nursing, they are always right.
 
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And the major problem there is, the Director of Pharmacy answers to the Director of Nursing, so they will never defend you.
This is why I cannot envision myself working in the hospital setting.
 
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so if you work in LTC, I mean what is your next step up if you have any in mind? I always thought it is to eventually transition into inpatient but it doesn't seem like the case
 
so if you work in LTC, I mean what is your next step up if you have any in mind? I always thought it is to eventually transition into inpatient but it doesn't seem like the case

If I can get a unicorn 1st shift schedule, Monday - Friday 7am-3:30pm or similar then I'd do that anywhere except retail. But everything is rotating shifts with weekends and holidays. It's impossible to plan childcare and vacations with rotating shifts, so I'm staying put for now.
 
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so if you work in LTC, I mean what is your next step up if you have any in mind? I always thought it is to eventually transition into inpatient but it doesn't seem like the case
Pharmacy Director at said LTC or maybe consultant pharmacist. Inpatient will not give you a second of their time even if you have LTC experience.
 
so if you work in LTC, I mean what is your next step up if you have any in mind? I always thought it is to eventually transition into inpatient but it doesn't seem like the case
I am not at all certain that LTC isn’t better than inpatient. Of course I am sure it varies from place to place.
 
I am not at all certain that LTC isn’t better than inpatient. Of course I am sure it varies from place to place.
LTC > inpatient if you work in a 24 hour location (aka no on call)
 
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