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Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

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Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

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Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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I thought they were more fun to hang out with than neurotic pre-meds :meanie: :hardy:
 
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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+pity+
 
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It could be worse. Those "posers" could be neurotic pre-meds that go online and complain about their fellow classmates rather than enjoying college and getting to know them.
 
Everyone is a premed for the same reasons:

Chicks, money, power, and chicks.
 
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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You have a long way to go OP.
 
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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Everyone and their brother seemed to declare themselves pre-med at my school beginning freshman year. Then all of a sudden the first gen-chem test comes with the prof running the class average at a cool 55.:naughty: Many of these self proclaimed pre-meds called their parents saying they don't want to be doctors and headed for the doors/dropped the class. OP don't worry the profs do a great job of weeding the "posers" as you call them, and sophomore year there should be more vacancy in the pre-reqs!👍
 
Post back in a couple of years and let us know if you've made it.
 
ichor said:
Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀
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But yeah, have fun fighting for your life when classes begin.
 
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mehc012 said:
I thought they were more fun to hang out with than neurotic pre-meds :meanie: :hardy:
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+1

Enjoy the huge freshman classes crawling with beautiful women and wannabe doctors. Don't let it bother you - try to find the humor in watching someone struggle like crazy taking basic pre-med classes that you can do in your sleep.

Remember how enthusiastic and cocky these kids are about being pre-med then, a year later, listen to them rationalize to everyone why they switched to business - it's hilarious.

But as Blue implied - in general, pre-med students are not the most social/fun group. I highly recommend joining a fraternity to relieve some stress and actually experience the social side of college.
 
I think you're making this thread prematurely, OP. A lot can happen in between now and application time. Make this thread again after you take the MCAT.
 
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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Freshman year - everyone and their mother is premed
Sophomore year - 50% of these people "found other interests" (AKA they failed intro gen chem)
Junior year - 50-75% of the sophomore year survivors get destroyed by orgo, genetics, etc.

The people that are left at this point make it or break it during the MCAT
 
cause bro don't you know that once you are granted the self-entitlement of "pre-med" you get instant VIP access to all the clubs around your university for only 4 easy payments of $19.99
 
Person0715 said:
I think you're making this thread prematurely, OP. A lot can happen in between now and application time. Make this thread again after you take the MCAT.
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This. It is statistically just as likely that you will fall by the way side along with those you claim can't cut it, or "found other interests". If you make it to med school then great. Until then I would be wary about calling others out on getting in your way.
 
I seriously doubt that premed's the most popular major.

I don't know why you need to judge other people. Generally freshman classes in most majors shrink, but why are you better than your classmates? Are you judging their appearances? Are you assuming that those who are behind will not catch up? Have you already decided that you don't like any of them - and that they could not possibly become your allies? I don't know you personally, but you sound antisocial.

ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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It's annoying. But you have to just deal with it. I'm kinda surprised that some of my friends are still considering med school when they have a ton of C and the "Oh, good, I passed!" mentality (as opposed to anything below an A being not good enough). But what can you do. Their stats don't suggest they'll make it but they're convinced they will. *shrug* Doesn't change how well I perform, so it's irrelevant to me. Not my problem if they refuse to see the truth.
 
...However, maybe you should point out to them that c's won't get them into medical school. The people you talk about might not know that, or they might be holding out hope for postbacc gpa repair and/or a D.O. program.

It's not clear what's going on on their end: Some people lack advising. C's are the best some people can do. Sometimes people who seem not to care are in denial, or are confused about what to do next. Either way, most people will not open up to you if you seem judgmental.


Mel Belle said:
It's annoying. But you have to just deal with it. I'm kinda surprised that some of my friends are still considering med school when they have a ton of C and the "Oh, good, I passed!" mentality (as opposed to anything below an A being not good enough). But what can you do. Their stats don't suggest they'll make it but they're convinced they will. *shrug* Doesn't change how well I perform, so it's irrelevant to me. Not my problem if they refuse to see the truth.
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Gauss44 said:
...However, maybe you should point out to them that c's won't get them into medical school. The people you talk about might not know that, or they might be holding out hope for postbacc gpa repair and/or a D.O. program.

It's not clear what's going on on their end: Some people lack advising. C's are the best some people can do. Sometimes people who seem not to care are in denial, or are confused about what to do next. Either way, most people will not open up to you if you seem judgmental.
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That's the problem. I don't know how to help them aside from doing things like encouraging them to study with me so I can show them what I do to get As. I'm between a rock and a hard place because as much as I want to help them as a friend, I don't want to cross some line. I'm really not sure what to do.
 
Gauss44 said:
...However, maybe you should point out to them that c's won't get them into medical school. The people you talk about might not know that, or they might be holding out hope for postbacc gpa repair and/or a D.O. program.

It's not clear what's going on on their end: Some people lack advising. C's are the best some people can do. Sometimes people who seem not to care are in denial, or are confused about what to do next. Either way, most people will not open up to you if you seem judgmental.
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From what I've observed from others at my alma mater, it's the "what do you call a guy/gal at the bottom of his/her medical school graduating class?" mentality. I really try to help steer them, i.e. pre-med/dent/health/etc., into the proper direction during my tutoring sessions; however: some learn; some unlearn.:shrug:
 
Mel Belle said:
That's the problem. I don't know how to help them aside from doing things like encouraging them to study with me so I can show them what I do to get As. I'm between a rock and a hard place because as much as I want to help them as a friend, I don't want to cross some line. I'm really not sure what to do.
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The 2 best lines I can come up with are, "May I point something out?" or "Can I make a suggestion?" The second quote might prompt them to say what the problem is. At that point, you can point them toward a solution if you want to and if you have one.
 
Gauss44 said:
I seriously doubt that premed's the most popular major.

I don't know why you need to judge other people. Generally freshman classes in most majors shrink, but why are you better than your classmates? Are you judging their appearances? Are you assuming that those who are behind will not catch up? Have you already decided that you don't like any of them - and that they could not possibly become your allies? I don't know you personally, but you sound antisocial.
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I don't usually go around judging people. And this has nothing to do with appearance (projection much?) It has 100% with what I said...or what I intended to convey in that message. What I meant was how obnoxious these people are about being premed, how they're doing this on what seems like a whim. My crude example is someone who has never held a single political position thinking, "Hey, I feel like becoming president!" This is followed by them telling everyone they know that they're gonna be president one of these days.

I can assure you that I'm not anti-social as much as you might take that from my post 🙂
 
Koalafied said:
From what I've observed from others at my alma mater, it's the "what do you call a guy/gal at the bottom of his/her medical school graduating class?" mentality. I really try to help steer them, i.e. pre-med/dent/health/etc., into the proper direction during my tutoring sessions; however: some learn; some unlearn.:shrug:
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I call them, "a person."

I would certainly not want to be in their shoes.
 
Gauss44 said:
I call them, "a person."

I would certainly not want to be in their shoes.
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I call them 'people.'

I could only sympathize for their future.
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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Then be proactive; those courses isn't going to register itself for you.
ichor said:
I don't usually go around judging people. And this has nothing to do with appearance (projection much?) It has 100% with what I said...or what I intended to convey in that message. What I meant was how obnoxious these people are about being premed, how they're doing this on what seems like a whim. My crude example is someone who has never held a single political position thinking, "Hey, I feel like becoming president!" This is followed by them telling everyone they know that they're gonna be president one of these days.

I can assure you that I'm not anti-social as much as you might take that from my post 🙂
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You just did. Where I had went, you'd be even more annoyed.

Instead of judging these individual(s) on the extrinsic realm and/or in the intrinsic realm. Why don't you just yearn to be a leader and take the position of being a role model in setting a positive example for these possibly "less informed" pre-health(s), so that they, hopefully, yearn to be just like you? Imagine this kind of behavior as a doctor; can you possibly expect anything positive?
 
ghboyd25 said:
I believe the answer is you still call them a doctor
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That is indeed correct. Every situation is extrinsically and/or intrinsically different; so who are we to judge?
 
ichor said:
Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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That's not a poser. That's just an 18 year old kid figuring out what she likes and dislikes. Most people don't know what they want to do with their lives at freshman orientation, and that's totally normal. I started as an Art History major with the intention of someday doing curation, and I changed my major when I grew sick of looking at slides of sculptures all day. That didn't mean that I was an Art Dept. poser who couldn't hack it. It meant that, like the vast majority of students, I was using college to figure things out.

This is what college is for. Changing majors/tracks doesn't always mean failure. Sometimes it means that a person has discovered a field he enjoys even more than medicine, and that's a good thing! Nobody wants unhappy doctors.
 
Because what the f*ck else is there for biology majors to do?
 
This is what I thought when I read the post:

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ichor said:
I don't usually go around judging people. And this has nothing to do with appearance (projection much?) It has 100% with what I said...or what I intended to convey in that message. What I meant was how obnoxious these people are about being premed, how they're doing this on what seems like a whim. My crude example is someone who has never held a single political position thinking, "Hey, I feel like becoming president!" This is followed by them telling everyone they know that they're gonna be president one of these days.

I can assure you that I'm not anti-social as much as you might take that from my post 🙂
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Dude, you are an incoming freshman. You are just as prepared as them to go to med school. And please don't tell me about some mission trip your parents sponsored you to go on. Nobody here cares.
 
Although more than one person can cross the finish line, the starting line is always more populated in comparison to those who finish. For instance, in addition to being "smart" and earnestly investing the time into one's pre-medical course work, the whole process is laborious, whereas not only do pre-medical students need an impressive GPA, EC's, and MCAT, but the application process on the back-end is tedious as well.

This is just my opinion, but a lot of incoming college students are now more receptive to the "value" of their prospective degree, i.e., potential earning power and ability to develop marketable skills thereafter, especially where one has to finance their own education.

Moreover, the "good days" of medicine are coming to an end quickly. For instance, a family member of mine only performed 5-6 procedures daily during the 80's. However, now, his workload has increase by a factor of 4, reimbursement rates are declining steadily, and he is frequently on-call for area hospitals, despite being a private practice physician with his own self-supporting surgery center. He hardly ever gets reimbursed for his services, nor do they "follow up."

Why do I share this with you? Because if persons are solely motivated by the idea of the "good ole' days" then they will surely be in for a rude awaken, assuming they make it far enough.

In today's environment, especially coupled with the rising cost of medical education, increase in medical classes, and prospective reimbursement woes, medicine will provide a healthy career, but the application thereof sincerely requires someone with the right motives - servant leadership.

Just my opinion.

Sorry this was a little long for such a short question.

BOL.
 
Who cares? Seriously, why do you care so much about these other freshman being "posers"? If they fail, they fail. That has nothing to do with you. Focus on yourself and stop comparing yourself to other people.
 
Reminds me of a poll I read a while ago, where some magazine asked 4th-graders what they wanted to be when they grew up. The top choices:

For Boys

40% Astronaut
31% President
15% Firefighter
9% Other
5% Doctor

And for girls:

70% Ballerina
20% Teacher
10% Other



My point? Kids can dream.... Can't they?
 
Just forget about em' and enjoy college.

Competing for spots in a class is frustrating, but try not to let pre-med frustrations get in the way of you having a good time. College only happens once...unfortunately. So make the most of it while you're there. 😉

p.s. Confidence is nice, but never be too quick to underestimate or look down on the people around you, they might surprise you. 🙂
 
Spinach Dip said:
Reminds me of a poll I read a while ago, where some magazine asked 4th-graders what they wanted to be when they grew up. The top choices:

For Boys

40% Astronaut
31% President
15% Firefighter
9% Other
5% Doctor

And for girls:

70% Ballerina
20% Teacher
10% Other



My point? Kids can dream.... Can't they?
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man these kids are gonna throw a fit when they find out that nasa shut down their space shuttle program
 
Mel Belle said:
Who cares? Seriously, why do you care so much about these other freshman being "posers"? If they fail, they fail. That has nothing to do with you. Focus on yourself and stop comparing yourself to other people.
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zeppelinpage4 said:
Just forget about em' and enjoy college.

Competing for spots in a class is frustrating, but try not to let pre-med frustrations get in the way of you having a good time. College only happens once...unfortunately. So make the most of it while you're there. 😉

p.s. Confidence is nice, but never be too quick to underestimate or look down on the people around you, they might surprise you. 🙂
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If relevant, it'll be hard to blame OP.
 
127330 said:
Although more than one person can cross the finish line, the starting line is always more populated in comparison to those who finish. For instance, in addition to being "smart" and earnestly investing the time into one's pre-medical course work, the whole process is laborious, whereas not only do pre-medical students need an impressive GPA, EC's, and MCAT, but the application process on the back-end is tedious as well.

This is just my opinion, but a lot of incoming college students are now more receptive to the "value" of their prospective degree, i.e., potential earning power and ability to develop marketable skills thereafter, especially where one has to finance their own education.

Moreover, the "good days" of medicine are coming to an end quickly. For instance, a family member of mine only performed 5-6 procedures daily during the 80's. However, now, his workload has increase by a factor of 4, reimbursement rates are declining steadily, and he is frequently on-call for area hospitals, despite being a private practice physician with his own self-supporting surgery center. He hardly ever gets reimbursed for his services, nor do they "follow up."

Why do I share this with you? Because if persons are solely motivated by the idea of the "good ole' days" then they will surely be in for a rude awaken, assuming they make it far enough.

In today's environment, especially coupled with the rising cost of medical education, increase in medical classes, and prospective reimbursement woes, medicine will provide a healthy career, but the application thereof sincerely requires someone with the right motives - servant leadership.

Just my opinion.

Sorry this was a little long for such a short question.

BOL.
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"The good ol days" are gone for every profession. Medicine will always be a good gig in comparison to most.
 
Hemorrage said:
Freshman year - everyone and their mother is premed
Sophomore year - 50% of these people "found other interests" (AKA they failed intro gen chem)
Junior year - 50-75% of the sophomore year survivors get destroyed by orgo, genetics, etc.

The people that are left at this point make it or break it during the MCAT
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not really, most people actually do "find other interests,"

Intro to gen-chem doesnt destroy people
 
ichor said:
Incoming freshman for UG and yes I know it's highly hypocritical for me to complain about a group I am part of.

But everyone wants to and thinks they can be a doctor. No brag, but I am confident I'm more qualified than half of these people and I'm still not confident about getting into med school like all of these people.

Why am I complaining? Because I might not get a spot in pre-med classes cause everyone's taking them.

Can't wait for the people in over their heads to drop off like flies. 😀

---

Anyway, my point is, how did you guys feel about all those "posers"? Not people who legitimately try for med school and fail. But I mean someone like a sports teacher at my college who said she switched majors multiple times: from pre-med to pre-law to business to geology to sports.
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College is an eye opener for 90% of kids. Don't worry, take some other classes and wait until you're senior enough in class rank to get all the classes you want. The people who cant handle premed slowly figure it out, especially by organic chemistry. These kids usually find out by the end of fall semester that they aren't the super smart snowflake their parents told them they were.
 
tiedyeddog said:
College is an eye opener for 90% of kids. Don't worry, take some other classes and wait until you're senior enough in class rank to get all the classes you want. The people who cant handle premed slowly figure it out, especially by organic chemistry. These kids usually find out by the end of fall semester that they aren't the super smart snowflake their parents told them they were.
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Agreed.

For some, the buck stops at the MCAT.
 
Pre-meds have a fairly high attrition rate. When I started my prereqs, my classes were filled with people who wanted to be physicians. The vast majority ended up pursuing other career options, either due to necessity, change of interest, or getting discouraged.

OP, while you think you're more qualified than your peers, your arrogance makes you decidedly less qualified than any of them.

That's probably a moot point since the OP is probably just a troll. But, anyway...
 
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