Manipulation?

[611]

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How does the Osteopathic community view osteopathic manipulation vs chiropractic manipulation. Do either have a scientific basis?

 

[Taus]

not sure about the comparison stuff....but as for research...here is a pretty big compilation of what is out there:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=99957

 

[OSUdoc08]

How does the Osteopathic community view osteopathic manipulation vs chiropractic manipulation. Do either have a scientific basis?

Osteopathic manipulation uses techniques similar to chiropractic manipulation, but also techniques similar to more mainstream physical therapy.

 

[BMW19]

There was an exhausting thread done already entitled "what's the difference" from a few weeks back. You may as well read that one because I am sure you will get all of the same responses

BMW-

How does the Osteopathic community view osteopathic manipulation vs chiropractic manipulation. Do either have a scientific basis?

 

[UserNameNeeded]

Osteopathic manipulation uses techniques similar to chiropractic manipulation...

That statement makes me shudder. I really hope that's not true... 👎

 

[Taus]

That statement makes me shudder. I really hope that's not true... 👎

some are...most aren't

 

[OSUdoc08]

That statement makes me shudder. I really hope that's not true... 👎

HVLA is the same for both.

The only difference is one has a licensed physician who is diagnosing the dysfunction and treating a specific problem.

I believe you know which this is.

 

[611]

HVLA is the same for both.

The only difference is one has a licensed physician who is diagnosing the dysfunction and treating a specific problem.

I believe you know which this is.

I know Chiropractors are licenses physicians in my state, so are you referring to Osteopaths?

 

[OSUdoc08]

I know Chiropractors are licenses physicians in my state, so are you referring to Osteopaths?

They (DC's) may be called licensed physicians, but this is a misnomer, since they don't have all of the full practice rights that an MD/DO has.

DC's aren't physicians, even if some states choose to call them this. They do not have an unlimited scope of practice in regards to medicine and surgery, and they do not have the ability to specialize and board in any area of medicine and work in that field.

 

[611]

If the state calls them that then they are. It's got nothing to do with scope of practice. The scope of practice is defined by "chiriopractic" physician, not medical or osteopathic physician. Webster: Physician: One who is skilled in the art of healing.

 

[OSUdoc08]

If the state calls them that then they are. It's got nothing to do with scope of practice. The scope of practice is defined by "chiriopractic" physician, not medical or osteopathic physician. Webster: Physician: One who is skilled in the art of healing.

Ooh bustin' out with the Webster!

DC's aren't full medical physicians, regardless of what your buddy Webster says.

 

[611]

Did I ever say "medical"? I just said physicians.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Did I ever say "medical"? I just said physicians.

Good call.

DC = non-medical "physician"

DO/MD = medical physician

If you want to be treated medically, see a DO/MD.

 

[611]

Almost:
DC= Chiropractic physician
MD= Medical physician
DO= Osteopathic physician

 

[OSUdoc08]

Almost:
DC= Chiropractic physician
MD= Medical physician
DO= Osteopathic physician

INCORRECT.

MD = ALLOPATHIC Medical Physician (Doctor of Medicine)

DO = OSTEOPATHIC Medical Physician (Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine)

DC = CHIROPRACTIC "Physician" (Doctor of Chiropractic) --> Note the absence of the word medicine.

 

[611]

Actually, in my state the license reads Chiropractic Medicine, which frankly I don't understand.

 

[OSUdoc08]

Actually, in my state the license reads Chiropractic Medicine, which frankly I don't understand.

I agree. It makes just as much sense as Oklahoma allowing OD's to perform laser eye surgery.

However, I'm not talking about what the license reads. I'm talking about what the diploma reads when you graduate from school. Do the DC schools put medicine on their diplomas as well? If so, that would be extremely misleading.

 

[611]

Mine says Doctor of Chiropractic but that was quite awhile ago. The link below from National University of Health Sciences says Doctor of Chiropractic Medicine, which I agree I don't understand.
http://www.nuhs.edu/show.asp?durki=33

 

[Taus]

I can settle this whole situation with one word: whatever

 

[611]

Well put.

 

[Krazykritter]

OSU-

Are you planning on practicing full-time manipulation?? If you aren't, why are you so anti-chiropractic? They will not be "stealing" any business away from you and you will not be in competition w/ them. Why argue about whether or not they are physician in the literal or practical sense (even though I happen to agree that they are doctors, but not physicians)?

 

[OSUdoc08]

OSU-

Are you planning on practicing full-time manipulation?? If you aren't, why are you so anti-chiropractic? They will not be "stealing" any business away from you and you will not be in competition w/ them. Why argue about whether or not they are physician in the literal or practical sense (even though I happen to agree that they are doctors, but not physicians)?

Does saying that chiropractors aren't full physicians mean I have something against them?

No, it does not.

 

[sia_simba]

Just to get back on original thought and question by 611...

OMM and chiro manipulation are similar. If anyone ever even bothered to study up on the history, you would find that the founder of chiro was also a student of ATStills. I think his name was Something Palmer... samuel palmer? whatever.

I hope that info help you 611 on the origin of chiropractic medicine.

The difference? I believe most chiro treat low back pain, or pain relating to your thoracic or lumbar region, maybe some other regions as well... however, never heard of other regions before besides the back and stuff. So if you injured your back during work, herniated disc, car accident... people usual go to a chiro to get treatment, manual manipulation, and electric.

However... you don't go to your chiro if you have a cold, or if you have sinusities, cervical radiculopathy, pneumonia, headaches, GI immotility, etc. the list goes on and on. Can you treat these disorders with OMM ??? Sure you can. I am not going to describe all the different techniques to treat every specific symptoms because I might as well tell you to buy the book, but whoever is in a DO school will know that you can treat it.

Just for those who are skeptical about OMM treatment of stuff like colds, asthma, pneumonia, etc. then I would suggest either you practice some OMM on real patients or learn some OMM. =)

Do either have scientific basis? Yes... they all do except cranial techniques at the moment. I don't know how many chiro's practice cranial.


Now back to what everyone else was fussing about...

Chiros are doctors... and in my sense, they are physicians treating disorder of the back relating to back pain. I mean.. what do you call someone who does surgical operation on the brain? ANS... NEUROSURGEON!!! Very good! What do you call someone who cracks back and fixes back pain? ANS... CHIROPRACTORS..!!! Very good again!

Get the point?

For all I know, I don't think it is misleading if chiro dliploma saids "doctor of chiropractic medicine" because chiropractics is a form of medicine similar to how osteopathic IS a form of medicine.