market condition in atlanta

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hi i wonder what the market condition is like in atlanta? i been hearing its saturated and now a cvs pharmacist (long timer) had his hours cut in half. reduced from a full time to working week on week off. and i dont mean regular overnight shift 7 on 7 off. but his hours and paycheck actually got chopped in half. is that something happening a lot there?
 
Based on discussions in other threads, there is exactly one job available in all of Atlanta.

Nah there are a few jobs (as many as 7!) in that area but you have to be the boss' daughter to get them. It also helps if you are unqualified and a terrible employee.
 
Most jobs in metro atlanta are float positions. I know of a few people who got floater CVS jobs around atl. Kroger just isn't hiring in the state of GA period, intern or not. Target and publix are offering jobs but mostly not in Atl (I do have a friend who got a target float job in atlanta though, but know several others who got target jobs in VA, OR, and FL). I know of a couple people who got WalMart jobs in metro atlanta (marietta and such) and also one in Savannah. WAGS is MOSTLY not giving giving jobs in the metro atl area, but I've heard from some people they have a few positions.
 
The retail market here (ATL) is laughable. The hospital market is less horrendous, but still not easy, if you have a residency.

I know many a retail pharmacist who have had their and their technician hours cut.
 
The retail market here (ATL) is laughable. The hospital market is less horrendous, but still not easy, if you have a residency.

I know many a retail pharmacist who have had their and their technician hours cut.


that is sad to hear. first they cut tech hours and now pharmacists hours are cut too. is this just the atlanta area or all of Georgia?
 
The Atlanta area is very saturated. 99.9999999% of graduates of Mercer and UGA will have to MOVE to find jobs. My preceptor told me he doesn't know much about the number of job positions in hospital, but he is knowledgeable about retail. He only heard of ONE retail position opened for the class of 2010 and it was a position at Walmart. It went to a very well qualified individual, while the rest of the people had to move to find jobs. Even people from class of 2009 had to MOVE to find jobs. I know a girl that moved to South Carolina to get her job. There are no jobs in Atlanta, if you want to live in Atlanta well...then you can't be a pharmacist. Tech positions are near impossible to land too, so you might have to find another profession all together. :laugh:

Lastly, there are people that did residencies and can't get jobs at the hospital. 😱 So residencies don't mean anything, you can do one and still be unemployee when you get out. That's how "good" the Atlanta market is right now. If you don't believe me just ask any P4 from Mercer or UGA.
 
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The Atlanta area is very saturated. 99.9999999% of graduates of Mercer and UGA will have to MOVE to find jobs. My preceptor told me he doesn't know much about the number of job positions in hospital, but he is knowledgeable about retail. He only heard of ONE retail position opened for the class of 2010 and it was a position at Walmart. It went to a very well qualified individual, while the rest of the people had to move to find jobs. Even people from class of 2009 had to MOVE to find jobs. I know a girl that moved to South Carolina to get her job. There are no jobs in Atlanta, if you want to live in Atlanta well...then you can't be a pharmacist. Tech positions are near impossible to land too, so you might have to find another profession all together. :laugh:
Must be some big schools.
 
Must be some big schools.

It's too big. Mercer has 150 people per class. UGA has a ton too (not sure the exact number!) and PCOM (diplomia mill) will be pumping out 80 students per year AND....I haven't gotten to the good part yet...Emory wants to open a pharmacy school soon too...so that makes it FOUR schools in the city of Atlanta! And Atlanta isn't even a big city! It's no New York! :laugh: The state of Georgia will be looking at FIVE schools in the near future and again, Georgia isn't a big state...it's very rural place actually...so how r they going to support this over saturation? 😕

I wonder how anyone will be able to find any jobs in the coming years! I have already come to the fact that there is no way in hell I can stay in Atlanta (no one can...if you think you can you are dreaming!:laugh:). I am okay with moving...where? I have no idea...other places are suffering just as bad I am sure. 🙄
 
I would love to move to New York City, but I doubt the market conditions are any better there.
 
See? I told you. Only ONE job. :laugh:


If only the job market is as good as you think (dream) it is then things would be okay.

I wish there was still a "shortage" as some of these people here still think there is. :laugh:
 
If only the job market is as good as you think (dream) it is then things would be okay.

I wish there was still a "shortage" as some of these people here still think there is. :laugh:


I never said there was a shortage, but I think I'm more realistic than you are. I highly doubt there is only one job in Atlanta. And I don't use made up statistics or hyperbole like 99.9999999%. 🙄

Only a few of my friends from my class still don't have plans for after graduation. Most are going retail but quite a few are going to residencies. I even know of a few who got entry level hospital staff positions. I don't have information for the entire class, but offhand it seems like most people are OK. At least most of the local students. Out of state kids, I'm not sure. Sure, the job market is nothing like it was a few years ago, but it's not dire, either. At least not here.
 
I never said there was a shortage, but I think I'm more realistic than you are. I highly doubt there is only one job in Atlanta. And I don't use made up statistics or hyperbole like 99.9999999%. 🙄

Only a few of my friends from my class still don't have plans for after graduation. Most are going retail but quite a few are going to residencies. I even know of a few who got entry level hospital staff positions. I don't have information for the entire class, but offhand it seems like most people are OK. At least most of the local students. Out of state kids, I'm not sure. Sure, the job market is nothing like it was a few years ago, but it's not dire, either. At least not here.

How is your location "The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death."? That's not a location at all. I'm on to you. :eyebrow:
 
I never said there was a shortage, but I think I'm more realistic than you are. I highly doubt there is only one job in Atlanta. And I don't use made up statistics or hyperbole like 99.9999999%. 🙄

Only a few of my friends from my class still don't have plans for after graduation. Most are going retail but quite a few are going to residencies. I even know of a few who got entry level hospital staff positions. I don't have information for the entire class, but offhand it seems like most people are OK. At least most of the local students. Out of state kids, I'm not sure. Sure, the job market is nothing like it was a few years ago, but it's not dire, either. At least not here.


Okay a LARGE percentage of graduates in Atlanta have to move out of the city to find jobs. Some move to South Carolina, some to Alabama and some to very rural areas of Georgia. The majority of people have to move out of Atlanta to find jobs. The exact percentage I don't know.

My preceptor either say there was only one retail job for the class of 2010 or there was only one retail position for Walmart and Sam's Club company for the class of 2010.

It is also a known fact that residencies does NOT equal jobs now. It would SUCK big time if you did one and come out with NOTHING. I heard that 40% of the class of 2010 did residencies...must be b/c there are no jobs availlable for them to land. I mean will any of your classmates want to do a residency if there were tons of jobs around? Especially jobs that offer 120K a year? People most likely take residencies b/c there are no other option. I am now scared to do one b/c again a residency does NOT equal a job...you could end up unemployeed after a residency.

Either way it's bad news when people have to relocate to find jobs! That in itself is bad news. If there was any kind of demand at all for pharmacists then people should not have to move to desperately land a job. It shows that the profession is really going downhill. 🙁
 
My preceptor either say there was only one retail job for the class of 2010 or there was only one retail position for Walmart and Sam's Club company for the class of 2010.

Those are two VERY different things, you know.

It is also a known fact that residencies does NOT equal jobs now. It would SUCK big time if you did one and come out with NOTHING. I heard that 40% of the class of 2010 did residencies...must be b/c there are no jobs availlable for them to land. I mean will any of your classmates want to do a residency if there were tons of jobs around? Especially jobs that offer 120K a year? People most likely take residencies b/c there are no other option. I am now scared to do one b/c again a residency does NOT equal a job...you could end up unemployeed after a residency.

Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I am doing a residency so that I can be qualified for the type of job I want to do. A residency is required. I don't think you should assume that people ONLY do residencies because there are no jobs available. Students who match into residencies are usually among the more qualified members of each graduating class. They would probably be able to get some sort of job if they didn't want to do residencies.

In terms of YOU doing a residency, why would you even want to, if you want to do mail order pharmacy? That's silly. Do you understand what types of jobs residencies prepare graduates for?
 
Those are two VERY different things, you know.



Well, I can't speak for anyone else but I am doing a residency so that I can be qualified for the type of job I want to do. A residency is required. I don't think you should assume that people ONLY do residencies because there are no jobs available. Students who match into residencies are usually among the more qualified members of each graduating class. They would probably be able to get some sort of job if they didn't want to do residencies.

In terms of YOU doing a residency, why would you even want to, if you want to do mail order pharmacy? That's silly. Do you understand what types of jobs residencies prepare graduates for?

I don't think she is assuming people are doing residencies excessively d/t the poor job conditions in Atlanta. Now, I do have to agree that the ATL market is realllllllllllly bad. I applied to a retail position and at the interview was told there were ~150 applicants for that one spot. Unfortunately, residencies are basically "required" for almost every hospital position now. Job fields change, they all have, but pharmacy isn't what it once was.
 
I don't think she is assuming people are doing residencies excessively d/t the poor job conditions in Atlanta. Now, I do have to agree that the ATL market is realllllllllllly bad. I applied to a retail position and at the interview was told there were ~150 applicants for that one spot. Unfortunately, residencies are basically "required" for almost every hospital position now. Job fields change, they all have, but pharmacy isn't what it once was.

Everyone knows that market conditions for pharmacy have changed.

I'm not sure how to interpret this other than "people do residencies because there are no jobs." Maybe SOME people are doing them for that reason, but I think that more of us chose them because of the TYPES of jobs they qualify us for.

I heard that 40% of the class of 2010 did residencies...must be b/c there are no jobs availlable for them to land. I mean will any of your classmates want to do a residency if there were tons of jobs around? Especially jobs that offer 120K a year? People most likely take residencies b/c there are no other option.
 
Many of us thought saturation in this profession would ever happen. It's happening, and we all have a front row seat to the inevitable chaos that's to follow. What are pharmacists going to do when they can't find jobs and can't service their $150,000 loans? It's going to get ugly. It's already ugly here in California, and it's typical for floater pharmacists in my company to average 24-30 hours a week. I really don't know what new graduates are going to do for employment in May.
 
Everyone knows that market conditions for pharmacy have changed.

I'm not sure how to interpret this other than "people do residencies because there are no jobs." Maybe SOME people are doing them for that reason, but I think that more of us chose them because of the TYPES of jobs they qualify us for.

Residency isn't what qualifies you for those positions, it is your knowledge base and experience. Unfortunately, with the market the way it is, coupled with increased competition for "clinical" jobs, residency is the quickest means. I graduated in 07 and got my experience via plain working. After I took a LOA from med school I applied to a EM position and beat out PGY 2s, simply due to my ambition and experience. I really wish residency wasn't "required," but it essentially is. I do think potential applicants need to be aware of the additional commitment. Who knows where retail is heading.
 
Residency isn't what qualifies you for those positions, it is your knowledge base and experience. Unfortunately, with the market the way it is, coupled with increased competition for "clinical" jobs, residency is the quickest means. I graduated in 07 and got my experience via plain working. After I took a LOA from med school I applied to a EM position and beat out PGY 2s, simply due to my ambition and experience. I really wish residency wasn't "required," but it essentially is. I do think potential applicants need to be aware of the additional commitment. Who knows where retail is heading.

Do you think someone could get an oncology position without residency? I don't mean cancer pharmacy staff pharmacist, I mean clinical pharmacist. You need oncology knowledge and training- how will you get that without residency? Few places will really train someone in that field without knowledge/experience. So then you're stuck, without the experience needed to get the experience.

I'm sure oncology isn't the only field like that.
 
Do you think someone could get an oncology position without residency? I don't mean cancer pharmacy staff pharmacist, I mean clinical pharmacist. You need oncology knowledge and training- how will you get that without residency? Few places will really train someone in that field without knowledge/experience. So then you're stuck, without the experience needed to get the experience.

I'm sure oncology isn't the only field like that.

Agree. The job I'm aiming for requires residency training. But it's not oncology. I don't like that stuff much. Sorry, hope we can still be friends! 😛😀
 
Disagreed, Go VCU!
 
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Agree. The job I'm aiming for requires residency training. But it's not oncology. I don't like that stuff much. Sorry, hope we can still be friends! 😛😀

Good. More jobs for me. 😀:meanie:
 
I have applied to several jobs in Atlanta but never get a response. It really sucks. I don't want to live anywhere else in GA. 🙁
 
One of my classmates got clinical oncology position in a small hospital right out of school. No residency. It is highly unusual, and I don't know any details. But I know that he got this position. I am sure it will become harder in the future to do something like this.
 
One of my classmates got clinical oncology position in a small hospital right out of school. No residency. It is highly unusual, and I don't know any details. But I know that he got this position. I am sure it will become harder in the future to do something like this.

1) is it actually in Atlanta GA? Or some rural place in the woods?

2) if it is in Atlanta what kind of connections does he have? I got a summer internship at Walmart, but that is thru connections. If I didn't have this connection there would be NO way in hell I would have gotten this job! LOL...they recieve over 300 applications per job. If your classmate's father is the head director of the hospital or something like that then that explains it too.

Basically you either have very strong connections (father is a CEO or head director) or you will have to move out of Atlanta. It's that simple.
 
Darlin, you can have ALL the oncology jobs. I won't fight ya. So are your boys going to take out the damn Wildcats for me tomorrow? I changed my avatar for the occasion and hope they don't let me down!

I hope so! I'm hoping for a repeat of 2004! The UConn alumni around here have the whole basement of a bar reserved for us to watch the game. It'll be a long metro ride home if they lose.

Also, our obsession with Kemba is insane. I think there is a new Kemba/UConn youtube video posted on my facebook wall every day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgsTTXsbThk&feature=player_embedded
 
As usual, SHC is trying to extrapolate the one anecdote she heard from someone who was probably not as in-touch as they thought they were into an all-inclusive statement, and was completely wrong.

Is the job market great? No. Are companies still, for the most part, protecting their interns? Yes.

Walgreens had spots for 13 interns to receive jobs in our district (1 of 4 in the state, we're the one that's generally more Atlanta proper). 1 of them, a good friend of mine, actually got the fabled 9-5 M-F job (she has to split between two stores, but still). The 13th of those interns failed the NAPLEX twice before finally passing. His spot was still there. They're not going to hand you a staff position straight out of school, but guess what, you probably don't deserve one.

Outside of my company, I know of one student who graduated and was offered a staff spot at a compounding pharmacy which, again, not open nights and weekends. They are there.

You claim to be a realist, but in the same breath you expect a Buckhead store to want to hire you to work 9-5 M-F. That just doesn't happen for anybody. But as long as A) You have a company that has invested time and money into you as an intern, B) You don't completely suck as a person, and C) You aren't naive enough to expect your dream job straight out of school, you should be fine.

If you're moving into the state for the first time, that might be a different story.
 
Ah, CynicalIntern! Welcome back! It's been too long! 😍

Haha, I'm here all the time, I just don't believe in saying anything if I don't have anything productive to say.

Unfortunately (I'm lying, I consider this one of my favorite jobs), the only times I have anything productive to say is when I can troll SHC because she's spouting off the same inane ramblings that have been disproven over and over again.
 
Haha, I'm here all the time, I just don't believe in saying anything if I don't have anything productive to say.

Unfortunately (I'm lying, I consider this one of my favorite jobs), the only times I have anything productive to say is when I can troll SHC because she's spouting off the same inane ramblings that have been disproven over and over again.

I *heart* you! I get very frustrated with the broken record litany of weak anecdotal information, fake statistics and exaggeration. It's not productive at all. So thanks!
 
1) is it actually in Atlanta GA? Or some rural place in the woods?

Oh, and good God, WTF is this quote? It's like saying are you skinny, or morbidy obese? If you want to say inside the perimeter versus outside the perimeter, that's fine, but there are much worse places to be than commuting opposite everyone else to suburbia.
 
Oh, and good God, WTF is this quote? It's like saying are you skinny, or morbidy obese? If you want to say inside the perimeter versus outside the perimeter, that's fine, but there are much worse places to be than commuting opposite everyone else to suburbia.

I think the anecdote was related to the brief residency discussion anyway (in response to my reasoning to do a residency despite having a job offer at home). Not related to the job market in Atlanta.
 
As usual, SHC is trying to extrapolate the one anecdote she heard from someone who was probably not as in-touch as they thought they were into an all-inclusive statement, and was completely wrong.

Is the job market great? No. Are companies still, for the most part, protecting their interns? Yes.

Walgreens had spots for 13 interns to receive jobs in our district (1 of 4 in the state, we're the one that's generally more Atlanta proper). 1 of them, a good friend of mine, actually got the fabled 9-5 M-F job (she has to split between two stores, but still). The 13th of those interns failed the NAPLEX twice before finally passing. His spot was still there. They're not going to hand you a staff position straight out of school, but guess what, you probably don't deserve one.

Outside of my company, I know of one student who graduated and was offered a staff spot at a compounding pharmacy which, again, not open nights and weekends. They are there.

You claim to be a realist, but in the same breath you expect a Buckhead store to want to hire you to work 9-5 M-F. That just doesn't happen for anybody. But as long as A) You have a company that has invested time and money into you as an intern, B) You don't completely suck as a person, and C) You aren't naive enough to expect your dream job straight out of school, you should be fine.

If you're moving into the state for the first time, that might be a different story.

I don't see how this information is suppose to prove me wrong. 13 job openings??? 😱

Let's see here Mercer has 150 students graduating each year. UGA has about 150 too and PCOM has 80 per year. That's 380 new grads each year in Atlanta.

13 jobs for 380 people is a lot? 🙄 That only covers about 3% of total graduates leaving 97% of the people still having to move or remain unemployee.

Okay, I'll be generous here since people on here like to be generous with numbers, let's say there are 50 job openings each year in Atlanta (there are NOT, but I am just trying to see it from your side here). Let's say there are 50 job opening each year in Atlanta. Well, that only covers about 13% of the 380 people that will be graduating each year. Meaning 87% are still out of luck.

All I am saying is that most people (I am sure the percentage is in the 90s) will have to move out of Atlanta to find jobs. Yes, if you have connections you can stay, but most people do not have strong connections.

I still do not see what I have say wrong here. Oh, maybe the percentage isn't 99%, but it's damn close to it. :laugh: Unless there are 380 NEW JOB openings in Atlanta each year, there will be people that can't find jobs. Even with me being generous and saying there are 50 job openings each year, that still leaves 87% of the people graduating without jobs.

So what exactly did I say wrong here? 🙄
 
Oh, and good God, WTF is this quote? It's like saying are you skinny, or morbidy obese? If you want to say inside the perimeter versus outside the perimeter, that's fine, but there are much worse places to be than commuting opposite everyone else to suburbia.

Well, Buckhead is pretty much the only nice area to live in the entire state of GA. Alpharetta is pretty nice too, but other then that I can't really think of anywhere else to live in this state.
 
So what exactly did I say wrong here? 🙄

My problem is the way you seem to make things up and exaggerate when you make your points. No one is disputing that the job market is poor. I'm sure the market in Atlanta is as bad as it is anywhere else. HOWEVER...

"1 job opening in ALL of Atlanta" is NOT the same as "13 openings with ONE retail chain" (Walmart, I guess). Do you see the exaggeration? 1 does not equal 13 and if Walmart has 13 openings that means that there are other chains that probably have at least a few. And that doesn't account for jobs with other types of pharmacies.

I think people would take your arguments more seriously if you refrained from exaggerating, making crazy generalizations and using made up statistics. I know I would.


Like this:

Well, Buckhead is pretty much the only nice area to live in the entire state of GA. Alpharetta is pretty nice too, but other then that I can't really think of anywhere else to live in this state.

That's just laughable. There are only TWO decent places to live in Georgia? Really? That's a crazy generalization and/or a ridiculous opinion. People won't take you seriously talking like that.
 
My problem is the way you seem to make things up and exaggerate when you make your points. No one is disputing that the job market is poor. I'm sure the market in Atlanta is as bad as it is anywhere else. HOWEVER...

"1 job opening in ALL of Atlanta" is NOT the same as "13 openings with ONE retail chain" (Walmart, I guess). Do you see the exaggeration? 1 does not equal 13 and if Walmart has 13 openings that means that there are other chains that probably have at least a few. And that doesn't account for jobs with other types of pharmacies.

I think people would take your arguments more seriously if you refrained from exaggerating, making crazy generalizations and using made up statistics. I know I would.


Like this:

That's just laughable. There are only TWO decent places to live in Georgia? Really? That's a crazy generalization and/or a ridiculous opinion. People won't take you seriously talking like that.


My preceptor either said there was only one job opening with Walmart/Sam's Club and it went to a very qualified individual for the class of 2010 or there are only one retail job opening for the class of 2010. He mention the market is poor as we all know and that your resume must be stellar to land a job etc. He also mention that a lot of retail chains are at a hiring freeze and aren't hiring at all.

What he said was for the CLASS OF 2010 (I thought I made that clear already). CynicalIntern might be talking about the overall picture from a few years ago or the class of 2009 or class of 2008 etc. I don't know. There might have been more openings in the class of 2009 or before.

Have you been to GA? The entire state is very rural beside Atlanta and 2-4 cities beside of it. The entire state is very RURAL, trust me on this one. I had to drive to Rome one time and got lost b/c the state was so rural.
 
I have to backup SHC on GA being rural. I hear it isn't as bad as it used to be though, almost all homes have indoor plumbing now and cell phones have made running phone lines to people's homes unnecessary anyway. But if you think wheels are a classy addition to any home, Georgia is the state for you!
 
I'm from a rural state. 😛 Ya'll don't know rural.
 
I have to backup SHC on GA being rural. I hear it isn't as bad as it used to be though, almost all homes have indoor plumbing now and cell phones have made running phone lines to people's homes unnecessary anyway. But if you think wheels are a classy addition to any home, Georgia is the state for you!

Most of the south is rural. People seem to manage to live in rural areas or smaller cities without too much trouble. :shrug:
 
Most of the south is rural. People seem to manage to live in rural areas or smaller cities without too much trouble. :shrug:

I didn't say rural was bad, I like my hometown and plan to go back after graduation. But most of GA is a little too rural for me. I like paved roads for instance.
 
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