Marquette vs Iowa (OOS for both...)

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I am torn between choosing either of these schools (Marquette or Iowa). I'm an IL resident (so I'm OOS for both) and am hoping to hear some opinions of my sdn contemporaries!


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Did you get into any of the Illinois IS schools? Reason I ask is that I am also from Illinois. I got accepted into Iowa as well and I am making the similar decision you are.
 
YES. I got into UIC (but heard bad things about its PBL curriculum) and SIU is in alton...so yeah haha not entirely sure yet! Keep me posted with your decision aroz15/thought process as well!
 
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I'm actually torn between Marquette and UIC here. Marquette has the greatest faculties/students comparing to all other schools I have been interviewed. The faculty members are just so nice and welcoming! It has early clinical exposure, a great program, and brand new buildings and facilities. Milwaukee feels like a cool city to live at. Maybe tuition is something you would like to compare. They have a brand new research lab, but it is bit weaker on research when comparing to many other schools though. For me, research is something I like and might look into in dental school...
 
I'm just wondering what kind of bad things you heard about UIC's PBL curriculum?
 
The PBL/SGL curriculum has played a huge factor in my decision. I have talked to several students though who currently are at UIC and they say that it is IN ADDITION to the lectures we have, not a replacement. We do still go to lectures. Some weeks we will have SGL more than others. They also mentioned that it is a "grade-booster." The points you get from the small group discussions are easy points that can bring your grade up in the classes you are struggling in and for me, that is huge. Another thing for me is that I love lectures. I always have enjoying the style of just sitting there and reading slides so the SGL was not attractive at first. However, I think the small group learning will be beneficial when we do enter the profession in a sense of collaborating with other dentists and specialists on cases. My friend who is a D1 at UIC did tell me that the lectures we will have are ones we've never experienced before. The in depth material we learn is horrifically overwhelming and the PBL and small group learning is a way for us to have a break in our day from staring at lecture slides for countless hours. It also allow us to take the boring content we learn in lecture and put it into prospective with interesting cases that we may see down the road in our practices!

Overall, the 3rd and 4th year dental students have said that the PBL curriculum has come a long way since they first started it when they were D1s. A 4th year, who is going into Oral Maxillofacial told me that he has had no problem passing BOTH boards and that it hasn't negatively affected his experience at UIC. The curriculum is better now than it was a couple of years ago! I am just providing the insight that was given to me because I know that I am just as iffy about it as you guys are.

Best of luck in your decisions🙂
 
Any word or rumors on how the Illinois budget crisis may affect UIC/SIU or their tuition? There isn't a budget now and the governor I believe was looking for a 30% cut in funding to universities once there is a budget.
 
Any word or rumors on how the Illinois budget crisis may affect UIC/SIU or their tuition? There isn't a budget now and the governor I believe was looking for a 30% cut in funding to universities once there is a budget.
I've been thinking about that too. UIC has been unable to finish the HVAC renovations they began this summer due to the budget crisis.
 
Great posts guys, thank you all! (and hopefully we get more input soon!)

Does anyone know if Iowa (or even Marquette for that matter) allows students to pay in-state tuition after 1 year of OOS tuition (apparently, some schools do this)?


**All UIC posts are welcome as well of course! (haven't completely ruled it out yet) -- I wish I could change the title to add "UIC" in haha
 
Great posts guys, thank you all! (and hopefully we get more input soon!)

Does anyone know if Iowa (or even Marquette for that matter) allows students to pay in-state tuition after 1 year of OOS tuition (apparently, some schools do this)?


**All UIC posts are welcome as well of course! (haven't completely ruled it out yet) -- I wish I could change the title to add "UIC" in haha
Don't know anything about Marquette but Iowa does not allow OOS students to pay IS after 1 year. However, Iowa does offer financial aid to a lot of OOS students to bring costs down. I believe its up to $15,000 a year, but I'm not sure how to find out if you got it or not.
 
I've been thinking about that too. UIC has been unable to finish the HVAC renovations they began this summer due to the budget crisis.
I'm wondering why they increased the class size back to 70?
 
Great posts guys, thank you all! (and hopefully we get more input soon!)

Does anyone know if Iowa (or even Marquette for that matter) allows students to pay in-state tuition after 1 year of OOS tuition (apparently, some schools do this)?


**All UIC posts are welcome as well of course! (haven't completely ruled it out yet) -- I wish I could change the title to add "UIC" in haha

Marquette is private, isn't it? So in-state/out-of-state doesn't matter. Iowa does offer assistance if you max out student loans to bring the cost down but its not exactly the same as in-state. I think the 15K is about right from past posts. I wan't to say that it was going to save about 40K overall so maybe its 10K????
 
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Marquette is private, isn't it? So in-state/out-of-state doesn't matter. Iowa does offer assistance if you max out student loans to bring the cost down but its not exactly the same as in-state. I think the 15K is about right from past posts. I wan't to say that it was going to save about 40K overall so maybe its 10K????
Marquette is private but since it is the only school in Wisconsin, the state government partially subsidizes the tuition of Wisconsin residents. OS students cannot get IS status. However, the difference in price is much smaller compared to most IS/OS price differences.

Iowa gives $15k a year (no strings attached) + $2.5k a year if you do an hour or so of work a week for the school for OS.

Iowa gives $10k a year + $2.5K year (as above) for IS students.

These are both scholarships at Iowa and not everyone receives them.
 
Marquette is private but since it is the only school in Wisconsin, the state government partially subsidizes the tuition of Wisconsin residents. OS students cannot get IS status. However, the difference in price is much smaller compared to most IS/OS price differences.

Iowa gives $15k a year (no strings attached) + $2.5k a year if you do an hour or so of work a week for the school for OS.

Iowa gives $10k a year + $2.5K year (as above) for IS students.

These are both scholarships at Iowa and not everyone receives them.


Yeah, dang it I didn't get any scholarship emails unfortunately, wish I did...it would've probably made my impossible decision a bit more easy. :/
 
Why do some people get them and others don't? How do they make the decision if they are merit based? A friend of mine had the same DAT score as me but also had a lower overall GPA and received a scholarship from Iowa.
 
Why do some people get them and others don't? How do they make the decision if they are merit based? A friend of mine had the same DAT score as me but also had a lower overall GPA and received a scholarship from Iowa.

Exactly! I've wondered this myself, the only thing I can come up with is perhaps because of some form of disadvantaged status. Guess we'll never really know :/
 
Why do some people get them and others don't? How do they make the decision if they are merit based? A friend of mine had the same DAT score as me but also had a lower overall GPA and received a scholarship from Iowa.
The sheet we received at the interview says:

"Scholarship eligibility is established through information provided during the application process including the central application service, AADSAS and the Iowa supplemental application and includes the following:
-Demonstrated academic success
-Participation in community service
-Leadership qualities
-Diversity"

The instate scholarships are also based on what dental district in Iowa your hometown is. Those won't be given out until January.
 
Haha did anyone who was iffy last week decide yet? Cause I'm still iffy as hell! UIC, Iowa, Marquette...if I could even narrow it down to 2, I would flip a coin and choose that way.

Hope others are having better luck deciding, and if you decided already, let me know plz!
 
I chose UIC, it was my cheapest option

Edit: Well also I felt that it had the most diverse patient base and since I've lived in Chicago my whole life it would be easy to just stay in the city for dental school
 
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I guess I'll chip in because I'm currently deciding between these two schools and I'm OOS for both.

Iowa
  • Positives
    • They're the only school I interviewed at that had a traditional campus (i.e. open, public areas), which I personally enjoy. Most other schools are a dental building surrounded by the city.
    • Iowa City. After I interviewed, people asked "Could you really see yourself living there?" Yes! I love real "college towns" as opposed to large cities.
    • They're a very well-rounded program. You can be confident you'll get good didactic and clinical experiences, and they offer plenty of opportunities for research.
    • I liked their externship program. They had options ranging from all over the U.S. to places in Europe.
  • Negatives
    • Cost. At about 374k for OOS, you're starting to get in to that pulsing red area on the debt chart. There's an odd meme on SDN that they give out OOS scholarships like candy to bring cost down substantially, but I didn't receive anything and I only remember one person mentioning it in the acceptance thread. Breaking the costs down, they included ~$5k/yr in personal and transportation costs in the estimate; some schools don't add this (Marquette does though, so we'll ignore it). Housing is 12-14k/yr, and I imagine you'll be able to knock a few grand off of that, but for the most part what you see is what you get.
    • I wasn't really impressed by their facilities in terms of appearance. All of the clinics that I saw were essentially a bunch of chairs in a large interior room with little separation or privacy. The building itself looks like a soviet-era bunker from the outside, though the interior does have some pretty nice areas.
    • This isn't really a negative, but I think they could have done a better job selling themselves. Their intro featured celebrity factoids like "Ashton Kutcher grew up here!" and "Ladies, so and so from whatever season on the Bachelor has a 5 million dollar farm a few miles away!" I appreciated the humor in it but at the same time it was kind of weird.
Marquette
  • Positives
    • I got a great vibe from the students. Everyone seemed incredibly happy there. Part of me believes that this is the most important thing to look for during tours, while another says it just depends whether or not you have a good tour guide or if you catch everyone after exams. We also went up to talk to one of the professors (I think it was in pediatrics), and he gave everyone a pretty great speech about how we should decide on a school and why Marquette is a great place.
    • I loved their facilities. The building is brand new and it looks great. Their clinics are very different than any of the other schools I toured; they had all of their chairs on the outside of a winding room. There was plenty of space and privacy.
    • At 352k you're probably thinking it's weird that I'm putting this as a positive, but it's a good deal for OOS students. IS is only like 35k less, so you won't feel like you're getting totally screwed when you sit next to a Wisconsin resident in class. Now, here's where a bit of "magic" happens with their estimated costs... During the financial aid presentation, the lady mentioned that people typically live on around half of what they list for housing. They have their housing portion at 78k total (22k/yr for three years!). Take half of that. Your housing expenses are now 39k for four years, which brings that 352k down to 313k. Compare that to 370k+ at Iowa without scholarships, and remember that your debt on loans is going to be roughly double what you borrow.
    • They have a great clinical reputation.
  • Negatives
    • MU is a Catholic institution... and I'm definitely not Catholic. I have complete confidence that this won't have anything to do with the dental school at all since they get public funding from Wisconsin (they emphasized that themselves). However, I'm kind of worried that it will be harder for me to relate to Marquette University as a whole in the same way as my undergrad.
    • They openly state that Marquette isn't the best place to go if you're very into research. If you really want to do it you'll be able to, but they won't have the resources of somewhere like Iowa. Their research lab looked like any number of the intro-bio labs I was in at my undergrad.
    • I didn't know Marquette had a dental program before I started researching schools. Is that a problem? Probably not. However, Iowa is more of a "name brand" just because it's a larger, public school as a whole. I doubt there's any actual prestige difference between the dental schools themselves.
This is the first time I've written a pro/con list out, so I'm sure I forgot to mention a few things. I'm personally leaning towards Marquette because of the cost and the vibe I got during my visit, but they're both great schools and I don't think you can go wrong. Let me know what you think!
 
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I guess I'll chip in because I'm currently deciding between these two schools and I'm OOS for both.

Iowa
  • Positives
    • They're the only school I interviewed at that had a traditional campus (i.e. open, public areas), which I personally enjoy. Most other schools are a dental building surrounded by the city.
    • Iowa City. After I interviewed, people asked "Could you really see yourself living there?" Yes! I love real "college towns" as opposed to large cities.
    • They're a very well-rounded program. You can be confident you'll get good didactic and clinical experiences, and they offer plenty of opportunities for research.
    • I liked their externship program. They had options ranging from all over the U.S. to places in Europe.
  • Negatives
    • Cost. At about 374k for OOS, you're starting to get in to that pulsing red area on the debt chart. There's an odd meme on SDN that they give out OOS scholarships like candy to bring cost down substantially, but I didn't receive anything and I only remember one person mentioning it in the acceptance thread. Breaking the costs down, they included ~$5k/yr in personal and transportation costs in the estimate; some schools don't add this (Marquette does though, so we'll ignore it). Housing is 12-14k/yr, and I imagine you'll be able to knock a few grand off of that, but for the most part what you see is what you get.
    • I wasn't really impressed by their facilities in terms of appearance. All of the clinics that I saw were essentially a bunch of chairs in a large interior room with little separation or privacy. The building itself looks like a soviet-era bunker from the outside, though the interior does has some pretty nice areas.
    • This isn't really a negative, but I think they could have done a better job selling themselves. Their intro featured celebrity factoids like "Ashton Kutcher grew up here!" and "Ladies, so and so from whatever season on the Bachelor has a 5 million dollar farm a few miles away!" I appreciated the humor in it but at the same time it was kind of weird.
Marquette
  • Positives
    • I got a great vibe from the students. Everyone seemed incredibly happy there. Part of me believes that this is the most important thing to look for during tours, while another says it just depends whether or not you have a good tour guide or if you catch everyone after exams. We also went up to talk to one of the professors (I think it was in pediatrics), and he gave everyone a pretty great speech about how we should decide on a school and why Marquette is a great place.
    • I loved their facilities. The building is brand new and it looks great. Their clinics are very different than any of the other schools I toured; they had all of their chairs on the outside of a winding room. There was plenty of space and privacy.
    • At 352k you're probably thinking it's weird that I'm putting this as a positive, but it's a good deal for OOS students. IS is only like 35k less, so you won't feel like you're getting totally screwed when you sit next to a Wisconsin resident in class. Now, here's where a bit of "magic" happens with their estimated costs... During the financial aid presentation, the lady mentioned that people typically live on around half of what they list for housing. They have their housing portion at 78k total (22k/yr for three years!). Now half that. Your housing expenses are now 39k for four years, which brings that 352k down to 313k. Compare that to 370k+ at Iowa without scholarships, and remember that your debt on loans is going to be roughly double what you borrow.
    • They have a great clinical reputation.
  • Negatives
    • MU is a Catholic institution... and I'm definitely not Catholic. I have complete confidence that this won't have anything to do with the dental school at all since they get public funding from Wisconsin (they emphasized that themselves). However, I'm kind of worried that it will be harder for me to relate to Marquette University as a whole in the same way as my undergrad.
    • They openly state that Marquette isn't the best place to go if you're very into research. If you really want to do it you'll be able to, but they won't have the resources of somewhere like Iowa. Their research lab looked like any number of the intro-bio labs I was in at my undergrad.
    • I didn't know Marquette had a dental program before I started researching schools. Is that a problem? Probably not. However, Iowa is more of a "name brand" just because it's a larger, public school as a whole. I doubt there's any actual prestige difference between the dental schools themselves.
This is the first time I've written a pro/con list out, so I'm sure I forgot to mention a few things. I'm personally leaning towards Marquette because of the cost and the vibe I got during my visit, but they're both great schools and I don't think you can go wrong. Let me know what you think!


Great post!

1. Wow, I didn't remember that about Marquette halving the housing cost (I was probably too nervous before interviews I guess)! Are you absolutely sure about this? (b/c I agree with ALL of your pros cons (it's kinda scary that my handwritten list is almost identical in every way).

2. Do you remember anything at all that we can deduct from Iowa's side? (lol I'm just hoping there is something else I may have missed...) ((aside from the scholarships that I also thought I WOULD receive, and yeah I only saw 1 post of someone getting one--I call BS on Iowa)).

I am still in the process of choosing/eliminating schools, but if I absolutely had to pick right now without further thought, I think I'm leaning Marquette as well. Great post and definitely keep us all posted @Traag!
 
I probably am the source of the OOS scholarship rumor. I had mentioned it in a post maybe a year or so ago. It's purely anecdotal but I have multiple OOS classmates that have told me each of them have received a scholarship to help them bring down tuition.

But that's to be taken with a grain of salt, bc I'm IS so I cannot personally attest to that scholarship

There is also a grant that comes around the start of second semester every year for students who maxed out their loans. All you have to do is write a thank you note to a donor.
 
Please correct me if I am wrong, but my understanding was that Iowa only offered scholarships at time of acceptance.
 
I spoke with Rachael and she told me that they have extended out all of the OOS scholarships to those who have been accepted. If any of those individuals reject their acceptance or do not put a deposit down by January 1st, then they will take those scholarships and offer them to other OOS individuals down their list.
 
Rachael/Iowa JUST sent me the email for 15k per year scholarship! I guess there is still hope for others out there, now I am back to heavily considering Iowa...
 
Rachael/Iowa JUST sent me the email for 15k per year scholarship! I guess there is still hope for others out there, now I am back to heavily considering Iowa...
Iowa is really good. If price isn't an issue, I think it would be the best choice.
My opinion only.
 
Rachael/Iowa JUST sent me the email for 15k per year scholarship! I guess there is still hope for others out there, now I am back to heavily considering Iowa...

What did you end up choosing?
 
This is a shot in the dark considering this thread is from 2015 but I am currently trying to decide between Iowa, UIC and Marquette. I read through this post but considering you all decided on the schools you currently go to...which school would you recommend and why??
 
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