Match Day 2014

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This is perhaps a dumb question. I noticed that some students get 2 matches, let's say one for surgery and one for urology (I think I saw this on some list). How does that work? Did they interview for multiple residency positions?
 
medschool2016 said:
This is perhaps a dumb question. I noticed that some students get 2 matches, let's say one for surgery and one for urology (I think I saw this on some list). How does that work? Did they interview for multiple residency positions?
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It's a transitional year.
For some specialties, you must do an intern year before you begin the PGY-2 (second year of residency.)
I'm not sure why it's set up like that - may have something to do with liscencing?
Someone else could probably explain the rationale for it, but that's why you see 2 matches for one person.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
No it's not. It's a preliminary surgical year. A transitional year is a very specific type of intern year program, and does not prepare someone for a surgical residency.
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Thank you for clarifying.
 
bakedbeans18 said:
While specialties such as Derm, Plastics, and Optho are no doubt difficult to place into, it doesn't necessarily command a positive impression. Also, UNC is not renowned for its orthopedic program, neither is UT for opthalmology. Vanderbilt does have particular strengths in OB/Gyn, so even for a specialty that is not very competitive to match into, matching to Vanderbilt for OB/Gyn is pretty great. I'm sorry if anyone is upset that I don't think it is a particularly strong match list, but it's not like it's loaded with Surgical Matches to MGH, UTSW, and UPitt, or IM Matches to Vanderbilt, Emory, and UCSF, or Optho matches at B-P and Mayo. It's not just a matter of the specialty - it's also a matter of if your program is particularly known for that specialty. If you want to go into academic medicine, this comes up often. Even if you don't want to go into academic medicine, American's are concerned with 'the best', and you can be certain that patients will seek out a specialist with the best training in their area.



Please see my response above. I keep meticulous tabs on what hospitals are considered 'the top' for a number of fields each year - because of match list self-selctivity and location bias, my analyses aren't adequate to say "good school or bad school" but they do give a sense for what the reputation of a given medical school is outside of it's region in the U.S., based on total out of region match as well as the proportion of matches to top hospitals for a given specialty.

Also, the idea of a 'top EM' program is debatable. EM is a unique specialty when it comes to rankings and reputation, because it is not as if someone with a blast wound in a mining town will arrange to fly to Baltimore Shock & Trauma for their treatment - you just go to the closest trauma-level center appropriate for your injury/condition. Sure, there tend to be several EM programs that are usually boasted for their high volumes, but these are usually in cities that are known to have some pretty violent areas (baltimore, brooklyn, detroit, oakland, LA, cleveland, for example.)

I honestly did not expect to get grilled over this. Yes, there is a certain degree of self-selectivity and perhaps location bias when it comes to match lists - but a decent number of people leave the state of S.C. in this match list, and it's not for residency programs at institutions that are particularly reputed for that field
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Also, regarding USMLE: SUNY downstate gives students 7 weeks off to prepare for USMLE I. It is not unreasonable to suspect that the school does this in recognition that their basic sciences curriculum may not have adequately prepared the students for the USMLE. Likewise, NYMC gives
students 2 full months off to prepare for the USMLE. Same thing applies. Most programs give 4-5 weeks off to prepare for the USMLE - I'm not sure what the schedule at USC is. What I can say confidently, however, is that a mere handful of students that probably have an impressive USMLE score (according to their match) should not by and large tell you that the school is doing a good job in preparing students for the USMLE. When you see a litany of community programs though and very few top academic programs for a given field, it does raise that question.
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I did see your next post and its clear that you do keep tabs on diff programs so Im sorry for assuming you didnt. However, when I said "top EM programs" I didnt mean that like top 20, though I dont blame you for thinking I did since most SDNers seem to like to think in terms of rankings. I meant top in terms of they get lots of applications and Ive heard lots of good things and applicants tend to rank them high, thats all. And wasnt trying to grill you, just wondering how you could claim they must have terrible USMLE prep without citing more evidence than one year's match list with a pretty small class size.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
No it's not. It's a preliminary surgical year. A transitional year is a very specific type of intern year program, and does not prepare someone for a surgical residency.
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What if they have preliminary-surgery or preliminary-medicine but do not have a residency spot also on the Match List. Did they go unmatched?
 
vagabondrunning said:
What if they have preliminary-surgery or preliminary-medicine but do not have a residency spot also on the Match List. Did they go unmatched?
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They more than likely tried to match into a more competitive specialty and failed to do so. There are rarer circumstances where people would intentionally only apply to these programs, but usually it's due to a failure to match into their desired field.

These people will complete an intern year (in either medicine or surgery) but with no actual residency plans beyond. They have the opportunity to reapply the following year
 
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bakedbeans18 said:
While specialties such as Derm, Plastics, and Optho are no doubt difficult to place into, it doesn't necessarily command a positive impression. Also, UNC is not renowned for its orthopedic program, neither is UT for opthalmology.
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It's ORTHO at UNC, who cares what they're renowned for haha. That's just how I feel. Plus, if I was from south or north Carolina, as the student who matched there most likely is, I would have def ranked them as my top choice.
 
bakedbeans18 said:
Is there anything JHU isn't reputed for? lol
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Haven't heard the JHU blindingly positive reputation out of their ob/gyn department, especially not since that incident with Dr. Nikita Levy (not sure if he lost his medical license)
 
iceman55 said:
It's ORTHO at UNC, who cares what they're renowned for haha. That's just how I feel. Plus, if I was from south or north Carolina, as the student who matched there most likely is, I would have def ranked them as my top choice.
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I understand that, and I can get behind that logic. However, it's a subjective take. I'm purposefully objective when I review the residency programs and the match lists, and UNC doesn't land amongst the top Ortho programs.
 
Boolean said:
Haven't heard the JHU blindingly positive reputation out of their ob/gyn department, especially not since that incident with Dr. Nikita Levy (not sure if he lost his medical license)
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Are you kidding? I don't think it's possible to not lose your license after that. I haven't checked, though.

Edit: apparently he is no longer with us.

/rerail

I am surprised by just how good most of these match lists are.
 
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Microglia said:
Are you kidding? I don't think it's possible to not lose your license after that. I haven't checked, though.

Edit: apparently he is no longer with us.

/rerail

I am surprised by just how good most of these match lists are.
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Derailing one more time:
When you said "he is no longer with us" I assumed you went to Hopkins and he resigned from the school. I was thinking "Who cares if he quit! He should still lose his license!" Then I googled it and realized he committed suicide. Well, damn. 🤔

Back on topic:
Mt Sinai has provided some info on their match here. 41 out of 129 matched to one of Mt Sinai's 7 hospitals. 60% matched to one of the top 20 hospitals (by what measure, I wonder). Most popular residencies are internal medicine, anesthesiology, pediatrics, emergency medicine, general surgery.
 
Does anyone have Jefferson Medical College's match list for this year?
 
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Something not correct here:

U of Miami 2014 EM match list:
Emergency Medicine (5)
*Icahn SOM St. Lukes-Roosevelt, New York, NY

*Maimonides Med Center, Brooklyn, NY

*Maricopa Medical Center, Phoenix, AZ

*Orlando Health, Orlando, FL

*UC San Francisco, San Francisco, CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

UCSF EM Residency Class 2018 (2014 Match) showed no match from U of Miami. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EM Residency Class of 2018 and Chief Residents Announced
March 21, 2014
Announcing the UCSF-SFGH Emergency Medicine Residency Class of 2018 and our Chief Residents for 2014-2015, Dr. Sean Kivlehan and Dr. Julian Villar. Our new interns are:

  • Karla Canseco, University of Texas at San Antonio
  • Brian Chang, Brown University
  • Julia Chang, University of California, Los Angeles
  • Rosny Daniel, University of California, San Francisco
  • Nida Degesys, Northeast Ohio Medical University
  • Gretchen Fuller, Harvard Medical School
  • Delphine Huang, University of California, San Francisco
  • Charles Murphy, Tulane University
  • Steven Straube, Brown University
  • Gabriel Sudario, University of California, San Francisco
  • Divya Thapar, University of California, San Francisco
  • Chloe Thomas, University of Southern California
  • Josie Valenzuela, Harvard Medical School
  • Tim Yiu, Harvard Medical School
 
lamron said:
Something not correct here:

U of Miami 2014 EM match list:
Emergency Medicine (5)
*Icahn SOM St. Lukes-Roosevelt, New York, NY

*Maimonides Med Center, Brooklyn, NY

*Maricopa Medical Center, Phoenix, AZ

*Orlando Health, Orlando, FL

*UC San Francisco, San Francisco, CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

UCSF EM Residency Class 2018 (2014 Match) showed no match from U of Miami. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EM Residency Class of 2018 and Chief Residents Announced
March 21, 2014
Announcing the UCSF-SFGH Emergency Medicine Residency Class of 2018 and our Chief Residents for 2014-2015, Dr. Sean Kivlehan and Dr. Julian Villar. Our new interns are:

  • Karla Canseco, University of Texas at San Antonio
  • Brian Chang, Brown University
  • Julia Chang, University of California, Los Angeles
  • Rosny Daniel, University of California, San Francisco
  • Nida Degesys, Northeast Ohio Medical University
  • Gretchen Fuller, Harvard Medical School
  • Delphine Huang, University of California, San Francisco
  • Charles Murphy, Tulane University
  • Steven Straube, Brown University
  • Gabriel Sudario, University of California, San Francisco
  • Divya Thapar, University of California, San Francisco
  • Chloe Thomas, University of Southern California
  • Josie Valenzuela, Harvard Medical School
  • Tim Yiu, Harvard Medical School
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There could be more than 1 USCF affiliated EM residency program. Harvard has a bunch of hospitals, for example.
 
bakedbeans18 said:
I keep meticulous tabs on what hospitals are considered 'the top' for a number of fields each year
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The eye-roll emoticon is not big enough nor dramatic enough to accurately capture my response to reading this line.
 
Can someone help find Georgetown's from last year? We have another user on the forums looking for it. Thanks in advance!


With that said, George Washington U
 
lamron said:
Something not correct here:

U of Miami 2014 EM match list:
Emergency Medicine (5)
*Icahn SOM St. Lukes-Roosevelt, New York, NY

*Maimonides Med Center, Brooklyn, NY

*Maricopa Medical Center, Phoenix, AZ

*Orlando Health, Orlando, FL

*UC San Francisco, San Francisco, CA <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

UCSF EM Residency Class 2018 (2014 Match) showed no match from U of Miami. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

EM Residency Class of 2018 and Chief Residents Announced
March 21, 2014
Announcing the UCSF-SFGH Emergency Medicine Residency Class of 2018 and our Chief Residents for 2014-2015, Dr. Sean Kivlehan and Dr. Julian Villar. Our new interns are:

  • Karla Canseco, University of Texas at San Antonio
  • Brian Chang, Brown University
  • Julia Chang, University of California, Los Angeles
  • Rosny Daniel, University of California, San Francisco
  • Nida Degesys, Northeast Ohio Medical University
  • Gretchen Fuller, Harvard Medical School
  • Delphine Huang, University of California, San Francisco
  • Charles Murphy, Tulane University
  • Steven Straube, Brown University
  • Gabriel Sudario, University of California, San Francisco
  • Divya Thapar, University of California, San Francisco
  • Chloe Thomas, University of Southern California
  • Josie Valenzuela, Harvard Medical School
  • Tim Yiu, Harvard Medical School
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It was probably a match to UCSF Fresno. Given the confusing way these programs are listed in ERAS/NRMP/FREIDA, I would not be surprised if some administrative staff simply did not realize there was a difference or missed it in a rush -- keep in mind that our matches were released to the schools only on Thursday evening, and you're having lists of 100s of entries supplied to you in less than 24 hours.
 
Boolean said:
Haven't heard the JHU blindingly positive reputation out of their ob/gyn department, especially not since that incident with Dr. Nikita Levy (not sure if he lost his medical license)
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he did…he's also dead (suicide)
 
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bakedbeans18 said:
While specialties such as Derm, Plastics, and Optho are no doubt difficult to place into, it doesn't necessarily command a positive impression. Also, UNC is not renowned for its orthopedic program, neither is UT for opthalmology. Vanderbilt does have particular strengths in OB/Gyn, so even for a specialty that is not very competitive to match into, matching to Vanderbilt for OB/Gyn is pretty great. I'm sorry if anyone is upset that I don't think it is a particularly strong match list, but it's not like it's loaded with Surgical Matches to MGH, UTSW, and UPitt, or IM Matches to Vanderbilt, Emory, and UCSF, or Optho matches at B-P and Mayo. It's not just a matter of the specialty - it's also a matter of if your program is particularly known for that specialty. If you want to go into academic medicine, this comes up often. Even if you don't want to go into academic medicine, American's are concerned with 'the best', and you can be certain that patients will seek out a specialist with the best training in their area.



Please see my response above. I keep meticulous tabs on what hospitals are considered 'the top' for a number of fields each year - because of match list self-selctivity and location bias, my analyses aren't adequate to say "good school or bad school" but they do give a sense for what the reputation of a given medical school is outside of it's region in the U.S., based on total out of region match as well as the proportion of matches to top hospitals for a given specialty.

Also, the idea of a 'top EM' program is debatable. EM is a unique specialty when it comes to rankings and reputation, because it is not as if someone with a blast wound in a mining town will arrange to fly to Baltimore Shock & Trauma for their treatment - you just go to the closest trauma-level center appropriate for your injury/condition. Sure, there tend to be several EM programs that are usually boasted for their high volumes, but these are usually in cities that are known to have some pretty violent areas (baltimore, brooklyn, detroit, oakland, LA, cleveland, for example.)

I honestly did not expect to get grilled over this. Yes, there is a certain degree of self-selectivity and perhaps location bias when it comes to match lists - but a decent number of people leave the state of S.C. in this match list, and it's not for residency programs at institutions that are particularly reputed for that field.

Also, regarding USMLE: SUNY downstate gives students 7 weeks off to prepare for USMLE I. It is not unreasonable to suspect that the school does this in recognition that their basic sciences curriculum may not have adequately prepared the students for the USMLE. Likewise, NYMC gives students 2 full months off to prepare for the USMLE. Same thing applies. Most programs give 4-5 weeks off to prepare for the USMLE - I'm not sure what the schedule at USC is. What I can say confidently, however, is that a mere handful of students that probably have an impressive USMLE score (according to their match) should not by and large tell you that the school is doing a good job in preparing students for the USMLE. When you see a litany of community programs though and very few top academic programs for a given field, it does raise that question.
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Also, there are people who feel the "top" programs suck for their career interest, are a horrible fit(the residents aren't a good fit, don't like the program), it's far from home(a lot of people like to only interview at their home state and MAYBE one other state), not a good/safe place to raise their current family or who hate academics. There is a lot of location bias at a lot of state schools, which makes sense. A lot of people don't like to leave their home state.

For me, I HATE, HATE academic medicine. I feel queasy/sick thinking about that. After all, I despise research/academia with a passion. So, a good fit in a community place would make me 100% over some academic place that would make me stab my eyes out daily.
 
KnuxNole said:
Also, there are people who feel the "top" programs suck for their career interest, are a horrible fit(the residents aren't a good fit, don't like the program), it's far from home(a lot of people like to only interview at their home state and MAYBE one other state), not a good/safe place to raise their current family or who hate academics. There is a lot of location bias at a lot of state schools, which makes sense. A lot of people don't like to leave their home state.

For me, I HATE, HATE academic medicine. I feel queasy/sick thinking about that. After all, I despise research/academia with a passion. So, a good fit in a community place would make me 100% over some academic place that would make me stab my eyes out daily.
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Yes, but like I said in my very first post about this match list, which upset someone, I did say that "either the school is very good at identifying people who want to be community physicians for entry into their class...."
 
Keep in mind, it's in the administration's best interest to put forward a phrase like "100% match rate." When I went to medical school, we had 2 or 3 people who failed to match into a surgical subspecialty, and several others who failed to match into a couple fields like Rads and Rad Onc, all of whom scrambled into prelim surgery or prelim medicine.

Our school proudly announced "100% of our students matched into their chosen field." Well, uh, yeah not exactly.

So just be careful how you interpret things. I'm not calling out the above poster or that institution at all, just want to throw it out there in general.
 
Faith730 said:
Glancing at the Drexel list (another expensive school): 3 Derm, 6 Ophthalmology, 4 ENT, 16 Ortho, 11 Radiology, 5 Urology, 2 Rad-Onc, and 3 Plastic
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where did you get the list for drexel? i'm curious to see!
 
You guys should also realize that match lists are more difficult to interpret than you may think, at least for certain specialties. In ophthalmology, for instance, most people would agree that the top two programs for training are at the University of Miami (Bascom Palmer Eye Institute) and Thomas Jefferson University (Wills Eye Hospital) because the eye hospitals developed independently and then became affiliated with medical schools later in their history after developing their facilities and reputations. Looking at the Cornell and UVA match lists, both have students who matched at BPEI and Wills, as well as Sloan Kettering for transitional years, which are ridiculously baller matches. In addition, the EM programs tend to offer quality EM training in a way that is almost inverse to the quality of the rest of the hospital because those programs depend to a much greater extent on their emergency departments rather than on the gen surgery and IM departments to deal with stabilizing tough cases. A large number of people are also trying to match at their home institutions for personal reasons, as well. At this point in students' lives, a lot of them have serious relationships, children or roots in the community, so they don't really want to leave the area.

This blog post does a fairly good job of collecting the best programs based on reputation and various rankings: http://anastomosed.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/top-reputation-residencies-by-specialty/
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
Keep in mind, it's in the administration's best interest to put forward a phrase like "100% match rate." When I went to medical school, we had 2 or 3 people who failed to match into a surgical subspecialty, and several others who failed to match into a couple fields like Rads and Rad Onc, all of whom scrambled into prelim surgery or prelim medicine.

Our school proudly announced "100% of our students matched into their chosen field." Well, uh, yeah not exactly.

So just be careful how you interpret things. I'm not calling out the above poster or that institution at all, just want to throw it out there in general.
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Yup, if it's anything premeds should realize is that medical schools will LIE about anything both before and after you get there. Gotta keep those Stafford and private loans flowing somehow.
 
GuyWhoDoesStuff said:
Keep in mind, it's in the administration's best interest to put forward a phrase like "100% match rate." When I went to medical school, we had 2 or 3 people who failed to match into a surgical subspecialty, and several others who failed to match into a couple fields like Rads and Rad Onc, all of whom scrambled into prelim surgery or prelim medicine.

Our school proudly announced "100% of our students matched into their chosen field." Well, uh, yeah not exactly.

So just be careful how you interpret things. I'm not calling out the above poster or that institution at all, just want to throw it out there in general.
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Indeed. A lot of programs use the term "matched" to mean "matched in the NRMP match or got a position by SOAP/scramble" so it's not very revealing.
 
I'm a 4th year Drexel med student. The 2014 match list isn't posted on the website yet, but I'll post it here sometime tonight. Congratulations to everyone on matching 🙂
korsian said:
where did you get the list for drexel? i'm curious to see!
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PuraVida09 said:
I'm a 4th year Drexel med student. The 2014 match list isn't posted on the website yet, but I'll post it here sometime tonight. Congratulations to everyone on matching 🙂
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thanks! i'm a third year student and am really curious to see! congrats on matching, can't wait to be there next year.
 
I was hoping the school would put it up faster, lol no desire to type the thing out. Drexel's a big class and the thing is long.
 
anyone have NYMC match list?
 
Faith730 said:
I was hoping the school would put it up faster, lol no desire to type the thing out. Drexel's a big class and the thing is long.
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Hey since drexel and jefferson are both in philly, any chance you have the Jefferson match list from other 4th years there? Thanks!
 
Quote from UTSW website. No full list that I can find yet.

“We had a large group of students entering residency programs in primary care specialties such as internal medicine (53) and pediatrics (33),” said Dr. Mihalic, “but we also had a lot of students entering specialty residencies such as dermatology (4), emergency medicine (16), radiology (9), and plastic surgery (2). In many of these very competitive specialties, our students did very well.”
 
skk3 said:
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You must be an enrolled student at NYMC to see that information. This is done to protect the identities of NYMC students.
 
iceman55 said:
It's ORTHO at UNC, who cares what they're renowned for haha. That's just how I feel. Plus, if I was from south or north Carolina, as the student who matched there most likely is, I would have def ranked them as my top choice.
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I rotated at UNC for ortho this year. It's a so-so program for ortho. Some malignant personalities and weak on trauma and hand; a little overshadowed by Duke, Wake Forest and Carolinas. Lots of sleeping on UNC call. Good location though. Ranked it in the middle of my list. But my mid tier is probably someone who wants to stay in the Triangle area's #1 or #2. Personal preference has a big weight when it comes to ranking. So always take these lists with a grain of salt.

For competitive specialties, your school reputation does help a lot in getting top tier programs, no doubt. There are always exceptions, but you don't know their story (they might be MD/PhD, have made significant research contributions or their daddy is a surgeon there). If you just want any ortho program, then it doesn't really matter what school you come from, just do well on Step 1 and M3.
 
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Hmm are there no names associated with the match list? I'm curious because I met a lot of NYMC students on the interview trail and I'd like to know where they went. Any ideas if there is an alternative match list with the names? It technically is public information...
bakedbeans18 said:
You must be an enrolled student at NYMC to see that information. This is done to protect the identities of NYMC students.
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Really? Many schools (mine included) just blatantly put our names on the match list... Are you a NYMC student by any chance? Do you know anyone there?
 
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