Match Day 2014

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I've heard the opposite. What I've read is that places like that have so many different specialties and fellows running around that the case load is much lower for gen. surg.

MGH and Hopkins are traditionally the top two programs in general surgery, prestige wise.

Not to say they don't have their individual drawbacks, but yes within the academic surgery world those are the top of the top.
 
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Some MUSC Stats
16 emergency medicine
11 anesthesiology
8 ortho
8 radiology
6 ENT
4 rad onc
4 derm
1 integrated plastics

Just saw that on FB, but seems pretty impressive (although not sure about what programs those were at)
 
Cedars (brand new residency program), Hopkins, CC. Missing some of the most well regarded programs (Iowa, Wash U, etc).

Are you saying cedars, JH, and CC shouldn't be ranked so high?

I'm sure any of the higher tier medical schools have a well regarded program. I'm a fan of many other programs, but its nearly impossible to speculate without having done a rotation there.

Nice thing about having orthogate, but even those reviews can only be taken with a grain of salt
 
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Been trying to find one of these for a while, looks like they don't publish them to the general public. Let me know if you get your hands on one!
I really wish schools would publish Match Data. IE the percent of people that weren't initially matched, the percentage of people that matched into their top choices. I feel like that and a quick glance at the list to see the places matched into would give me a good picture of the school in terms of match. Much better than just a match list.
 
DREXEL:
Anesthesiology

Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Baylor Coll Med- Houston TX
Mayo School of Grad Med Educ- FL
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center- PA
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Cooper Univ Hospital- NJ
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Rutgers- NJ
U Illinois
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
NYU
Medical Univ of South Carolina

Child Neurology
U Texas Southwestern

Dermatology
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA

Emergency Medicine
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Denver Health Med Ctr- CO
Georgetown Univ Hosp (Washington Hosp Center)- DC
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Univ of Southern California- CA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY
U Rochester/Strong Mem- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
York Hospital- PA
Kaiser Permanente- San Diego CA

Family Medicine
Abington Mem Hosp- PA
Washington Hospital- PA
Forbes Family Medicine- PA
U Kansas SOM- Wichita
University of Pittsburgh St Margaret- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
York Hospital- PA
Chestnut Hill Hospital- PA
Bryn Mawr Hospital- PA
UC San Diego- CA
Family Medicine Res of Idaho
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA

General Surgery
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
U Connecticut School of Medicine
Oregon Health & Science Univ
Cleveland Clinic Fdn- OH
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr-OH
Morehouse School of Medicine- GA
York Hospital- PA
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Guthrie/Robert Packer Hosp- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Lehigh Valley Hosp- PA

Internal Medicine
U Maryland Med Ctr
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
George Washington Univ- DC
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Beth Israel Deaconess Med Ctr- MA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Tufts Medical Center- MA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Morristown Mem Hosp- NJ
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
Cedars-Sinai Medical Center- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
U Southern California
Medical Univ of South Carolina
York Hospital- PA
U South Florida SOM- Tampa
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Cooper University Hospital- NJ
Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson Medical School- NJ
Rutgers- New Jersey Medical School- NJ
Christiana Care- DE
University of Virginia
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
U Michigan Hosps- Ann Arbor- MI
Barnes-Jewish Hosp- MO
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA
Scripps Clinic/Green Hospital- CA
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
Danbury Hospital- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine

Medicine-Pediatrics
Christiana Care- DE
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN

Neurology
U Southern California
U Southern California
U South Florida SOM- Tampa

Neurosurgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Allegheny Gen Hosp- PA

OB-gyn
NYU School of Medicine
Stanford Univ- CA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Stony Brook Hosp- NY
University of North Carolina- NC
Icahn SOM at Mount Sinai- NY
U Maryland Med Ctr
U Maryland Med Ctr
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Jackson Memorial Hosp- FL
Jersey Shore Univ Med Ctr- NJ

Orthopaedic Surgery
Rhode Island Hosp/Brown Univ
Yale- New Haven Hosp- CT
Stanford Univ- CA
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Rutgers- NJ
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Drexel Univ/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Beaumont Health System- MI
Einstein/Montefiore Med Ctr- NY
Monmouth Medical Ctr- NJ
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Boston Univ Med Ctr- MA
UPMC Hamot Med Ctr- PA
George Washington Univ- DC
Cooper University Hospital- NJ

Ophthalmology
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Emory Univ SOM- GA
SUNY Downstate- NY
SUNY Downstate- NY
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hospital- PA
Loyola/Hines VA Hospital- IL

Otolaryngology (ENT)
NYMC- New York Eye and Ear Infirmary
Hershey Med Ctr/Penn State- PA
Univ of North Carolina
U Wisconsin Hospital and Clinics

Pathology
U Utah Affil Hospitals

Pediatrics
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Duke Univ Med Ctr- NC
Childrens Hospital of Philadelphia- PA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Medical Univ of South Carolina
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Jefferson Med Coll/duPont Childrens- PA
Naval Medical Center- San Diego
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
St Christophers Hosp- PA
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp
Case Western/Univ Hosps Case Med Ctr- OH
U Connecticut School of Medicine- CT
U Connecticut School of Medicine
U South Florida COM- Tampa
Vidant Med Ctr/ East Carolina Univ- NC
Univ of Maryland
Nationwide Childrens Hosp- OH
NYMC Westchester Med Ctr- NY
NYP Hosp-Weill Cornell Med Ctr- NY
Loma Linda Univ- CA
Childrens National Medical Center- DC

Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation
NYU School of Medicine
Hosp of the Univ of Pennsylvania- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA

Plastic Surgery
Loma Linda University- CA
UC Davis Med Ctr- CA
Indiana Univ – IN

Preliminary- Medicine
Drexel/Hahnemann Univ Hosp- PA
Mercy Catholic Med- PA

Preliminary- Surgery
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Temple Univ Hosp- PA
Abington Mem Hospital- PA
U Colorado SOM

Psychiatry
Johns Hopkins Hosp- MD
Georgetown Univ Hosp- DC
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
U Massachusetts Med School – MA
Baylor Coll Med- TX
Med Coll Wisconsin Affil Hosp

Radiology (Diagnostic)
Univ of Chicago Med Ctr- IL
U South Florida COM- Tampa
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center - PA
North Shore- LIJ Health Sys- NY
Vanderbilt Univ Med Ctr- TN
NYMC- Westchester Med Ctr- NY
Pennsylvania Hospital
Thomas Jefferson Univ- PA
UC Irvine Med Ctr- CA
Einstein/Beth Israel Med Ctr- NY
Albert Einstein Med Ctr- PA

Radiation Oncology
CA Pacific Med Center
U Texas Med Branch- Galveston

Transitional
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Walter Reed National Military Medical Center- MD
Naval Medical Center- CA
William Beaumont Army Medical Center- TX

Urology
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center – PA
Dartmouth-Hitchcock Med Ctr- NH
Stony Brook Hospital- NY
North Shore-LIJ Health Sys- NY
Maimonides Med Ctr- NY

(I'm a 4th year medical student at Drexel. This is the list I have- they haven't posted it on their website yet. Let me know if anyone has questions about Drexel, or medical school in general!)

By the way, I just want to clarify that on the Drexel match list above, I only listed the "prelim- medicine" and "prelim- surgery" for the students who did not have a PGY-2 position set up. So, I didn't list the prelim program information for students who are doing radiology, anesthesiology, or other specialties that require a PGY-1 preliminary/transitional year. Hope that makes sense.

Also, on Match Day, we were told that Drexel had the same match rate this year as the overall match rate for the nation (94%).
 
I agree that this can be viewed as a negative (except when it isn't, as you discussed). I think the exceptions are very competitive fields, where just matching is an accomplishment in itself. You also mentioned this, but wanted to say it again for any pre-meds looking at these lists: The other place to be careful is when evaluating some of the smaller specialties that the general public is less aware of. For ophtho, urology, rad/onc, ortho, ENT, etc, some of the best programs are at places you've never heard of or would never know are at the top based on brand name. It almost requires you to apply to a specialty to really know the ins and outs of program rankings.

Looking forward to seeing more of these as they come out this week. Congrats all!

Totally agree- great point. It's not all about the name when analyzing the competitiveness of residency programs. Some hospitals/programs are very strong in certain specialties but not others.
 
I really wish schools would publish Match Data. IE the percent of people that weren't initially matched, the percentage of people that matched into their top choices. I feel like that and a quick glance at the list to see the places matched into would give me a good picture of the school in terms of match. Much better than just a match list.

They used to. It used to be at every interview you went to schools were telling you that 96% of their students matched into their top 3, and other such data.

Then there was a huge push by the AAMC to stop this practice. Why? Because if you give med schools a metric, they will find a way to excel at it. Same way seemingly every school has an above average Step I score.

Turns out in some cases, it was at least suspected (if not verified) that schools were giving students bad match advice (i.e. to put a safety program in their top 3) to try and game this number.

In other words, be careful what you wish for. I think schools should give applicants LESS information when it comes to match lists (i.e the whole practice of publishing match lists or inviting comparisons between schools based on the lists should be abolished), not more.
 
They used to. It used to be at every interview you went to schools were telling you that 96% of their students matched into their top 3, and other such data.

Then there was a huge push by the AAMC to stop this practice. Why? Because if you give med schools a metric, they will find a way to excel at it. Same way seemingly every school has an above average Step I score.

Turns out in some cases, it was at least suspected (if not verified) that schools were giving students bad match advice (i.e. to put a safety program in their top 3) to try and game this number.

In other words, be careful what you wish for. I think schools should give applicants LESS information when it comes to match lists (i.e the whole practice of publishing match lists or inviting comparisons between schools based on the lists should be abolished), not more.

Plus, if you don't interview at your top 10 programs, then your 11th, 12th, and 13th picks become 1 2 and 3
 
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They used to. It used to be at every interview you went to schools were telling you that 96% of their students matched into their top 3, and other such data.

Then there was a huge push by the AAMC to stop this practice. Why? Because if you give med schools a metric, they will find a way to excel at it. Same way seemingly every school has an above average Step I score.

Turns out in some cases, it was at least suspected (if not verified) that schools were giving students bad match advice (i.e. to put a safety program in their top 3) to try and game this number.

In other words, be careful what you wish for. I think schools should give applicants LESS information when it comes to match lists (i.e the whole practice of publishing match lists or inviting comparisons between schools based on the lists should be abolished), not more.

That's hilariously terrifying.
 
So today's the big day for graduating med students, but us pre-meds are also interested in the match lists of different schools. My thought was maybe we can post whatever info we see about all schools match lists in one thread for convenience?

I'm especially interested in seeing Virginia Tech Carilion's, since this will be their first graduating class.

Found VTC's match list: http://ftpcontent5.worldnow.com/wsls/newsdocuments/VTC-match.pdf
 
I find it fascinating how interested premeds are in match lists despite multiple residents and medical students saying that they don't have any context with which to make any sort of interpretation. "I keep meticulous tabs on what hospitals are considered 'the top' for a number of fields each year" jesus christ. More like "I took two minutes to look at usnews".
 
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You guys aren't paying attention. Everyone who has been through the process has given advice applicable to every school's list. Read the thread.

I get that match lists are very subjective and often not comparable between schools. But why does anyone care to look at them then?

With this being their very first match, you don't think there's ANYTHING to be gained about how the students were viewed by programs from looking to see where they ended up? Or what specialties they went into?
 
I get that match lists are very subjective and often not comparable between schools. But why does anyone care to look at them then?

With this being their very first match, you don't think there's ANYTHING to be gained about how the students were viewed by programs from looking to see where they ended up? Or what specialties they went into?

Dude some years you'll have 20 people going into anesthesia. The next year you might have 20 people going into ortho. It depends mostly on student preference and performance. We might gain something from looking at match lists. It's interesting to see where our upperclassmen matched. You will see "ooohh plastics ooohh mgh" and that's about it. If you saw Barrow for neurosurgery, would you be as impressed as if you saw Harvard for neurosurgery? You probably never even heard of it.
 
Dude some years you'll have 20 people going into anesthesia. The next year you might have 20 people going into ortho. It depends mostly on student preference and performance. We might gain something from looking at match lists. It's interesting to see where our upperclassmen matched. You will see "ooohh plastics ooohh mgh" and that's about it. If you saw Barrow for neurosurgery, would you be as impressed as if you saw Harvard for neurosurgery? You probably never even heard of it.
Exactly! Which is why I was looking for the opinions of people who have. Thanks anyway.
 
This is how I'm choosing to interpret MUSC's match list from last year:
It seems like: 1. student's specialize a lot. Maybe there's some pressure to do so? 2. There seems to be a good few people staying at MUSC but the ones who matched outside matched in some really impressive places IMO. I'm going to interpret this as people want to stay at MUSC but if they do want to leave, they will have some great options. This is largely consistent with what I've seen...a lot of people just love Charleston and never ever ever want to leave.

Dude some years you'll have 20 people going into anesthesia. The next year you might have 20 people going into ortho. It depends mostly on student preference and performance. We might gain something from looking at match lists. It's interesting to see where our upperclassmen matched. You will see "ooohh plastics ooohh mgh" and that's about it. If you saw Barrow for neurosurgery, would you be as impressed as if you saw Harvard for neurosurgery? You probably never even heard of it.
That's why you cross reference USNews for best hospitals.
 
Pertaining to VTC, no I don't think that there would be such a big issue about viewing that program as being inferior in this years match. I do not go to vtc, but I did interview for residency and met like 6 M4s throughout the interview day (from a class of 40?) They were all very easy going and well spoken. Most of them were from the mid Atlantic so that explains the regional preference in matching. It also seemed like the students there were pretty family oriented which may explain why many of them are at programs that are resident friendly (I interviewed at a few of their matches too). I recognize one of the names specifically and where that person matched was their no 1, which is an excellent program. No one that I met from the students/house staff seemed pretentious/gunnerish either. I actually got an ii from uva vcu and evms, but not vtc when I applied to med school (wtf). I know nothing about the school itself, but that program does have some well known faculty and got a $500,000,000 investment recently. Furthermore, the entire region uses the same EMR and you get a free phone w/ data plan and a cell tower in the hospital so that could be why a lot of people matched internally. I really don't go there and didn't match there, but vtc wasn't far behind.
 
Pertaining to VTC, no I don't think that there would be such a big issue about viewing that program as being inferior in this years match. I do not go to vtc, but I did interview for residency and met like 6 M4s throughout the interview day (from a class of 40?) They were all very easy going and well spoken. Most of them were from the mid Atlantic so that explains the regional preference in matching. It also seemed like the students there were pretty family oriented which may explain why many of them are at programs that are resident friendly (I interviewed at a few of their matches too). I recognize one of the names specifically and where that person matched was their no 1, which is an excellent program. No one that I met from the students/house staff seemed pretentious/gunnerish either. I actually got an ii from uva vcu and evms, but not vtc when I applied to med school (wtf). I know nothing about the school itself, but that program does have some well known faculty and got a $500,000,000 investment recently. Furthermore, the entire region uses the same EMR and you get a free phone w/ data plan and a cell tower in the hospital so that could be why a lot of people matched internally. I really don't go there and didn't match there, but vtc wasn't far behind.

Thanks for sharing!
 
This is how I'm choosing to interpret MUSC's match list from last year:
It seems like: 1. student's specialize a lot. Maybe there's some pressure to do so? 2. There seems to be a good few people staying at MUSC but the ones who matched outside matched in some really impressive places IMO. I'm going to interpret this as people want to stay at MUSC but if they do want to leave, they will have some great options. This is largely consistent with what I've seen...a lot of people just love Charleston and never ever ever want to leave.


That's why you cross reference USNews for best hospitals.

No, that's exactly why you don't look at USNews. Your interpretation is not very good. Jesus it's like talking to a brick wall.
 
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No, that's exactly why you don't look at USNews. Your interpretation is not very good. Jesus it's like talking to a brick wall.

You can go back as far as this website existed and find pre-meds extolling the virtues of match lists, and med students/doctors telling them it is worthless to do so. Don't beat yourself up over this issue; it'll never change.
 
I find it fascinating how interested premeds are in match lists despite multiple residents and medical students saying that they don't have any context with which to make any sort of interpretation. "I keep meticulous tabs on what hospitals are considered 'the top' for a number of fields each year" jesus christ. More like "I took two minutes to look at usnews".
a meticulous two minutes.
 
@southernIM @Modafinil @Psai I completely understand where you're coming from, and I don't think I have the ability to judge match lists at all. Nothing I'm seeing will change the decisions I've made about the schools I'm considering. However, I had a couple young physicians I work with say that good medical schools generally have good residency programs. Am I to assume there is no truth to this? From what I understand, there are a lot of exceptions of places that no premed has ever heard of but are actually very good. It also seems like there are residencies at top med schools that aren't top residency programs, but may still be pretty decent. For example, would a place like Hopkins, Duke, etc have some programs that everyone knows are terrible and are avoided at all costs? Or are they probably fine, but just don't deserve the huge wow factor that premeds give them? When I look at these lists, I realize I have no idea if that is a top program in that field, but I know it's a well respected school and take a bit confidence from that. Is there any value to this thinking at all? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, but I'm genuinely curious whether you guys are overreacting (understandably) to the dumb premeds in this thread who claim to have the knowledge of program directors, or if you genuinely think we gain absolutely nothing from these lists.
 
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@southernIM @Modafinil @Psai I completely understand where you're coming from, and I don't think I have the ability to judge match lists at all. Nothing I'm seeing will change the decisions I've made about the schools I'm considering. However, I had a couple young physicians I work with say that good medical schools generally have good residency programs. Am I to assume there is no truth to this? From what I understand, there are a lot of exceptions of places that no premed has ever heard of but are actually very good. It also seems like there are residencies at top med schools that aren't top residency programs, but may still be pretty decent. For example, would a place like Hopkins, Duke, etc have some programs that everyone knows are terrible and are avoided at all costs? Or are they probably fine, but just don't deserve the huge wow factor that premeds give them? When I look at these lists, I realize I have no idea if that is a top program in that field, but I know it's a well respected school and take a bit confidence from that. Is there any value to this thinking at all? I'm happy to admit I'm wrong, but I'm genuinely curious whether you guys are overreacting to the dumb premeds in this thread who claim to have the knowledge of program directors, or if you genuinely think we gain absolutely nothing from these lists.
My sentiments exactly. So many people on SDN seem to love expressing the fact that they know more than others, but aren't helpful to the people who are just genuinely trying to learn. That's what most pre-meds are here for anyway. And if our ignorance is so frustrating, why not either help educate or just ignore us altogether? I've never understood the joy in being an internet tough guy.
 
No, that's exactly why you don't look at USNews. Your interpretation is not very good. Jesus it's like talking to a brick wall.

Everyone knows that you look at USnews and the prettier the picture of the school the better it is, plain and simple
 
Not trying to bash the more knowledgable people, I'm just trying to figure out if it means anything at all when I see well-respected schools on a match list. Do I get to have warm fuzzy feelings?
 
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My sentiments exactly. So many people on SDN seem to love expressing the fact that they know more than others, but aren't helpful to the people who are just genuinely trying to learn. That's what most pre-meds are here for anyway. And if our ignorance is so frustrating, why not either help educate or just ignore us altogether? I've never understood the joy in being an internet tough guy.

We are educating you. You aren't listening. It's not being an internet tough guy to tell you that you're wrong. You don't even have the background to understand why you're wrong. It's like trying to explain to a victorian how the internet works. They don't even have a concept of what a computer is or even what electricity is. Here's an example. You look at USNews and see that Cleveland Clinic is #1 for cardiology. So you might think oh maybe I should go to cleveland clinic for medical school so I can match IM there and eventually become a cardiologist. What you don't know is that Case is way better for residents than Cleveland Clinic. Why? Because at the Cleveland Clinic, the attendings and fellows will make all the decisions, while as a resident, you're a glorified scut monkey. These residents might have astronomical step 1 scores. Maybe it's because they take IMGs who spent 6 months studying for Step 1 instead of 6 weeks. And they know better than anyone else that their residents aren't as well trained as people from other programs. Do you want us to go through every single program on every single match list? Most of what you know comes from what you hear from attendings, PDs, residents. The USNews rankings are garbage because they pick out metrics and weight them. Who knows if the metrics are valid? How do you rank a hospital? Outcomes? What if a hospital has a higher mortality rate because all of the other hospitals ship out their most difficult cases to them?

Good medical schools are generally affiliated with good residencies but how does that matter to you? You have no idea what field you are going to pick in 4 years. You have no idea if your school will give you a home court advantage. You have no idea if any of the doctors in your program are heavy hitters that can write you good letters of recommendation. In fact, you don't even know how important LORs are to residency applications. Just because a program sends 50 people to Temple one year doesn't mean that when you apply, you will get a residency at Temple. By the time you apply, the residency program director might be different. There might be a new chairman who's shaking things up. You don't even know to think of these things so how can you judge a match list?
 
We are educating you. You aren't listening. It's not being an internet tough guy to tell you that you're wrong. You don't even have the background to understand why you're wrong. It's like trying to explain to a victorian how the internet works. They don't even have a concept of what a computer is or even what electricity is. Here's an example. You look at USNews and see that Cleveland Clinic is #1 for cardiology. So you might think oh maybe I should go to cleveland clinic for medical school so I can match IM there and eventually become a cardiologist. What you don't know is that Case is way better for residents than Cleveland Clinic. Why? Because at the Cleveland Clinic, the attendings and fellows will make all the decisions, while as a resident, you're a glorified scut monkey. These residents might have astronomical step 1 scores. Maybe it's because they take IMGs who spent 6 months studying for Step 1 instead of 6 weeks. And they know better than anyone else that their residents aren't as well trained as people from other programs. Do you want us to go through every single program on every single match list? Most of what you know comes from what you hear from attendings, PDs, residents. The USNews rankings are garbage because they pick out metrics and weight them. Who knows if the metrics are valid? How do you rank a hospital? Outcomes? What if a hospital has a higher mortality rate because all of the other hospitals ship out their most difficult cases to them?

Good medical schools are generally affiliated with good residencies but how does that matter to you? You have no idea what field you are going to pick in 4 years. You have no idea if your school will give you a home court advantage. You have no idea if any of the doctors in your program are heavy hitters that can write you good letters of recommendation. In fact, you don't even know how important LORs are to residency applications. Just because a program sends 50 people to Temple one year doesn't mean that when you apply, you will get a residency at Temple. By the time you apply, the residency program director might be different. There might be a new chairman who's shaking things up. You don't even know to think of these things so how can you judge a match list?

This is a fantastic post. Thank you for doing this.

Where I get confused, then, is what the purpose is in attending a more quality institution at all? For example, as an applicant I have been deciding between four schools. When speaking with medical students and physicians, they have consistently advised I attend two of the four, and at times have said fairly negative things about the other two. Perhaps it is a coincidence, but the two schools being recommended have what appear to be stronger match lists, and definitely have more research/NIH funding. Thus there appears to be a correlation here between popular opinion (Albeit the sample size is small), funding/opportunities, and student outcomes.

I recognize that match lists are not important. I respect everything that you said here. But to say that all schools are equal and that going to X school won't at least help in setting one up with X location or X residency seems to go against all the evidence I have seen. More importantly, it goes against all the opinions and advice I have been given by those many, many times more knowledgable than I. That is where I am confused. Thanks again for posting.
 
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