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So far we have all/part of 7 campuses (ATSU-KCOM, KCU, Western, LECOM-E, LECOM-B, OSUCOM, OUHCOM) out of I think 30 that should have been in the match this year. Unless I missed something...
 
I think that CCF general surgery match might be their first DO ever. They don't have one on the current roster, even pre-lim. Does anyone know if that is categorical?
 
Newyorkgiants said:
Does anyone have PCOM or Rowan's match list?
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It appears from their websites that 2015 matches are up but not 2016...so they WILL post them, but who knows when. This is also true for MSU and LECOM.

Only way we are getting more lists is if students from those schools post an internal document (if they even did one).
 
OU has some nice and good # of acgme matches as a whole. I thought the CCF general surgery matches was one of their best
 
Cedar Sinai Internal Medicine match was really impressive, especially considering the applicant was applying from FL.
 
Dustbowl12 said:
I think the unified match and rising matriculant averages are going to lead to a greater number of DOs reaching places we have never seen before.
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What? the FORCED merger by acgme that had nothing to do with the AOA reaching out for equality is going to all of sudden tell PDs from high level academic residency programs to look at DOs equally? A PD could honeslty care less if your school had a 31 or 34 mcat avg for their class profile.


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AlteredScale said:
What? the FORCED merger by acgme that had nothing to do with the AOA reaching out for equality is going to all of sudden tell PDs from high level academic residency programs to look at DOs equally? A PD could honeslty care less if your school had a 31 or 34 mcat avg for their class profile.


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Wow. Higher averages means students are more capable and stronger, therefore they most likely will score higher on boards, the greater pool of DO students with higher board scores = more DOs making it to places it was impossible or rare before.

Single match means certain DO students don't self select out of the MD match anymore, a unified match takes away fear of students who didn't want to take a risk

Evidence: Some specific matches from match lists of the last couple of years and this year. I imagine it will get even better as years pass due to the continual rising quality of DO students and unified match.

Forced merger? This merger and the negotiations were largely dictated and kickstarted by the Federal government.
 
Dustbowl12 said:
Wow. Higher averages means students are more capable and stronger, therefore they most likely will score higher on boards, the greater pool of DO students with higher board scores = more DOs making it to places it was impossible or rare before.

Single match means certain DO students don't self select out of the MD match anymore, a unified match takes away fear of students who didn't want to take a risk

Evidence: Some specific matches from match lists of the last couple of years and this year. I imagine it will get even better as years pass due to the continual rising quality of DO students and unified match.

Forced merger? This merger and the negotiations were largely dictated and kickstarted by the Federal government.
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Not necessarily. There are plenty of residencies which won't take a DO, regardless of board score. Hell there are PD's who post on this forum who openly state they have never and will never take a DO.

I don't believe there will *ever* be full equality. Sure maybe certain fields will open up, but there will always be residencies unwilling to give a DO a shot.
 
yanks26dmb said:
Not necessarily. There are plenty of residencies which won't take a DO, regardless of board score. Hell there are PD's who post on this forum who openly state they have never and will never take a DO.

I don't believe there will *ever* be full equality. Sure maybe certain fields will open up, but there will always be residencies unwilling to give a DO a shot.
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I do agree with dust bowl that with the merger the top DO students will be able to push the envelope a more than before so we probably will see some more fantastic individual matches in the coming years. Although I also think the average DO student will have the same options as before, no better, no worse. It's not like the average DO student will all of a sudden think they are competative for ortho at Mayo just because of the merger
 
yanks26dmb said:
Not necessarily. There are plenty of residencies which won't take a DO, regardless of board score. Hell there are PD's who post on this forum who openly state they have never and will never take a DO...
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This doesn't mean that what he said was unlikely or impossible. The fact that some programs don't take DOs, doesn't in any way affect the possibility that stronger (and more numerous) DOs applying to more ACGME programs will result in more DOs being considered in programs that currently have none.

I've personally talked to a couple PDs that have never taken DOs, and they said that for one they barely get any DO applications and two they filter by step score, which eliminates a lot of DOs inherently. As far as they told me, they don't inherently filter by "LCME accredited medical school" only, but it just ends up working out that way, because of how few DOs apply.

If you have ~1000 of good applicants, and only 50 are DOs (who may generally have low or no Step scores), its very possible that you could fill your 50-100 interview spots without a single DO. If that number shifts from 50 to 100 (many of whom have step scores), while its still not guaranteed, the likelihood of catching some DOs in that mix increases significantly. Now some programs will continue to explicitly filter out DOs regardless of the number that apply or they stats, but that doesn't mean there aren't plenty of programs that don't have DOs but would accept them if competitive ones applied.

...I don't believe there will *ever* be full equality. Sure maybe certain fields will open up, but there will always be residencies unwilling to give a DO a shot.
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I don't doubt this at all. Some PDs will just never look at DOs no matter what their credentials are.

AnatomyGrey12 said:
I do agree with dust bowl that with the merger the top DO students will be able to push the envelope a more than before so we probably will see some more fantastic individual matches in the coming years. Although I also think the average DO student will have the same options as before, no better, no worse. It's not like the average DO student will all of a sudden think they are competative for ortho at Mayo just because of the merger
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Yeah I agree. The biggest affected will likely be the bottom 10%-15% or so that rely on those TRI and scramble spots. That said, I also think DO schools will cover themselves by maintaining affiliate GME positions for those individuals, something MD schools already do.
 
Dustbowl12 said:
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I love how every single DO thread turns into a "residencies hate DOs" thread. I wonder why new pre meds read these threads and think DOs are janitors.


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Dustbowl12 said:
Wow. Higher averages means students are more capable and stronger, therefore they most likely will score higher on boards, the greater pool of DO students with higher board scores = more DOs making it to places it was impossible or rare before.

Single match means certain DO students don't self select out of the MD match anymore, a unified match takes away fear of students who didn't want to take a risk

Evidence: Some specific matches from match lists of the last couple of years and this year. I imagine it will get even better as years pass due to the continual rising quality of DO students and unified match.

Forced merger? This merger and the negotiations were largely dictated and kickstarted by the Federal government.
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Higher board scores is NOT why these PD's are choosing not to look at DO's. If having a great USMLE was really the key to entering academic residency programs then for sure you would see a much larger amount of DO's in academic IM at places where an MD can get into with an OK step score, places that shouldn't be impossible and yet are because there's def something else missing to the puzzle.

If I was a student wanting to go AOA it's because:
1) I want to do a surgical specialty and knew my chances of getting into an ACGME one are too low to take a risk of opting out of the AOA match for the ACGME.
2) I had a crappy USMLE or COMLEX score (because I shouldn't have been accepted in the first place but grade replacing 9 F's in my sciences made me "competitive" through AACOMAS), no research or scholarly activity (because the best research at my school is 3 professors publishing case reports in JAOA with their "high tech" ultra sound equipment), and/or bland LORs from attending physicians who are unknown to residency program directors. My fear would multiply exponentially because I am now being forced to compete with MD students in the unified match who by and large, will have better resumes they have built through a system within their medical school that allows for personalization, innovation and support.

I would really appreciate your source showing the Dept. of Education went on a limb to say "hey, DO's should be equal, so merge the two residency accreditation groups". The ACGME 100% took over GME and knew just how to do it.
 
SynapticDoctah said:
I love how every single DO thread turns into a "residencies hate DOs" thread. I wonder why new pre meds read these threads and think DOs are janitors.


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As a pre-med I used to read the match threads religiously to "judge" schools. I even used to comment often on my old account. Who's to say most of the other people sharing their opinions on this thread aren't premeds, or MS1 or MS2 students aka students with no clinical experience or experience doing SubIs, meeting residents, talking to residents, talking to PDs etc.

It isn't until now, at the end of my third year, that I start to realize match lists aren't as simple as "# matches into X field" or "insert big name hospital". Every single student has a different goal and different application. For example at my school, almost no one goes into General Surgery. It's not because people aren't qualified and couldn't get in...it's because frankly my school has horrible surgery rotations that turn students off it. Anyways, I've been avoiding SDN for about a year now but hopefully theres some useful information/less trolling in the "what are my chances" threads this summer when I start following it for IM.
 
NoLollipops4U said:
As a pre-med I used to read the match threads religiously to "judge" schools. I even used to comment often on my old account. Who's to say most of the other people sharing their opinions on this thread aren't premeds, or MS1 or MS2 students aka students with no clinical experience or experience doing SubIs, meeting residents, talking to residents, talking to PDs etc.

It isn't until now, at the end of my third year, that I start to realize match lists aren't as simple as "# matches into X field" or "insert big name hospital". Every single student has a different goal and different application. For example at my school, almost no one goes into General Surgery. It's not because people aren't qualified and couldn't get in...it's because frankly my school has horrible surgery rotations that turn students off it. Anyways, I've been avoiding SDN for about a year now but hopefully theres some useful information/less trolling in the "what are my chances" threads this summer when I start following it for IM.
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Don't count on it. Lots of people on here have nothing better to do than post about the primary care filling DOs.
 
AlteredScale said:
, no research or scholarly activity (because the best research at my school is 3 professors publishing case reports in JAOA with their "high tech" ultra sound equipment), and/or bland LORs from attending physicians who are unknown to residency program directors. .
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Oh man, this is just too true and frankly the biggest disadvantage of a DO school. I WANT to do research and I have been actively looking at my schools hospitals but most are community programs and the opportunities are slim. Reference letters? I need to get a LOR from our Medicine Department chair.....since we dont have a medicine department with real research essentially a professor and private physician (doesnt work with students) is in charge of writing it. How is that supposed to compete with some MD student from a big university program who can do as much research as they want with well known professors/doctors? For this reason I plan to do 3-4 audition/SubI rotations at the beginning of 4th year at university ACGME programs to at least show my work ethic / personality to hopefully bring me up to par with MD students given my USMLE was decent
 
SynapticDoctah said:
I love how every single DO thread turns into a "residencies hate DOs" thread. I wonder why new pre meds read these threads and think DOs are janitors.


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It's not that all residencies hate DO's, but it's impossible to deny DO's aren't discriminated against. If you think otherwise, how do you reconcile the attached?
 

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yanks26dmb said:
It's not that all residencies hate DO's, but it's impossible to deny DO's aren't discriminated against. If you think otherwise, how do you reconcile the attached?
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Because those 67 PD's are probably just the PD's from Man's Greatest Hospital, UW, Stanford, Yale, and Duke 😛
 
AlteredScale said:
...If I was a student wanting to go AOA it's because:
1) I want to do a surgical specialty and knew my chances of getting into an ACGME one are too low to take a risk of opting out of the AOA match for the ACGME.
2) I had a crappy USMLE or COMLEX score (because I shouldn't have been accepted in the first place but grade replacing 9 F's in my sciences made me "competitive" through AACOMAS), no research or scholarly activity (because the best research at my school is 3 professors publishing case reports in JAOA with their "high tech" ultra sound equipment), and/or bland LORs from attending physicians who are unknown to residency program directors. My fear would multiply exponentially because I am now being forced to compete with MD students in the unified match who by and large, will have better resumes they have built through a system within their medical school that allows for personalization, innovation and support...
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This really is not the whole story at all.

(1) Many people with stats to compete in specialties opt out, not because they know their chances are too low, but because they are risk averse, and don't like the idea of limiting themselves to a specific subset of programs. They apply to all. Get DO and MD interviews, and then because the DO match happens first and they liked both sets of programs, they rank a few in DO, match, and then don't even get the opportunity to rank any in MD.

(2) This population may exist. That said why you felt that there was some huge population of people in DO schools, in your opinion "didn't deserve to be there" that you had to bash them is beyond me. Wow, really didn't expect that from you. I know plenty of people at my school that according to you may fall into the "shouldn't have been accepted in the first place" based on pre-med stats category that did well in med school and in my opinion will be excellent clinicians, and this is coming from someone who had better stats than them, has numerous research and pubs, etc.

Here's some of the ones you missed:

(3) People to whom geography >> ACGME vs AOA program accreditation. This is not the case everywhere (and the opposite is true in many states, like the ones out west), but there are some states (the ones with a ton of DOs) that have a TON of AOA residencies. Those states also tend to have some very strong AOA residencies. Someone with a heavy geographic preference will likely apply to those programs, and rank them in the AOA match, because one of their main priorities is staying or returning to a specific area. I know people in this exact situation, people who had enough ACGME interviews to match, but wanted more reassurance they'd match into a specific region/city. They didn't want to reduce their chances of getting back to that city by opting out of the AOA match.

(4) People whose 1st or 2nd choice programs based on "fit" were AOA residencies. This may be baffling to a) pre-meds/M1's/M2's and/or b) individuals who base self-worth on the prestige of the program they go to or the number of papers they publish, but not only are there plenty of hospitals that offer good training in certain areas, but there are plenty of people that choose a residency program because of personal things they like about it. Fit does actually exist. What's a great program for some people is hell for others. What would be your dream attendings or fellow residents, could be the exact opposite for one of your classmates. So yeah, there are plenty of people who actually prefer 1 or 2 AOA programs over a lot of the ACGME programs they applied to/interviewed at, even though they know they could match ACGME based on the numbers. I mean lets be serious here, just because its an ACGME program doesn't mean its a good program, let alone a good program for you, it just means it meets certain minimal requirements.

And I'm sure there are even more groups that I am not currently thinking of or don't include people I actually know.

The AOA match happens earlier, and it does so on purpose. It is a strategy by the AOA to catch a lot of the more competitive DOs and fill their spots. As such, there's plenty of DOs that actually use the NRMP as a backup. They certainly had the stats for it, and will likely do fine in a combined match, but they still want to apply AOA also.
 
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hallowmann said:
not only are there plenty of hospitals that offer good training in certain areas, but there are plenty of people that choose a residency program because of personal things they like about it.
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This. Honestly when I first started all I thought was important was prestige and doing residency at "big name" places. After having a number of friends and family member go through this process I can honestly say that fit and location are, by far, the biggest factors for a majority of medical students/residents. It really is a small subset of the medical student population that is truly gunning for that ivory tower type place. Most people just want to return to their part of the country, be near family, or go to the program that they really feel fits them. SDN just has a far greater percentage of the big academic types than the general population of medical students, MD or DO.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This. Honestly when I first started all I thought was important was prestige and doing residency at "big name" places. After having a number of friends and family member go through this process I can honestly say that fit and location are, by far, the biggest factors for a majority of medical students/residents. It really is a small subset of the medical student population that is truly gunning for that ivory tower type place. Most people just want to return to their part of the country, be near family, or go to the program that they really feel fits them. SDN just has a far greater percentage of the big academic types than the general population of medical students, MD or DO.
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This.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This. Honestly when I first started all I thought was important was prestige and doing residency at "big name" places. After having a number of friends and family member go through this process I can honestly say that fit and location are, by far, the biggest factors for a majority of medical students/residents. It really is a small subset of the medical student population that is truly gunning for that ivory tower type place. Most people just want to return to their part of the country, be near family, or go to the program that they really feel fits them. SDN just has a far greater percentage of the big academic types than the general population of medical students, MD or DO.
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#1 for me. Hopefully it works out.
 
hallowmann said:
(2) This population may exist. That said why you felt that there was some huge population of people in DO schools, in your opinion "didn't deserve to be there" that you had to bash them is beyond me. Wow, really didn't expect that from you. I know plenty of people at my school that according to you may fall into the "shouldn't have been accepted in the first place" based on pre-med stats category that did well in med school and in my opinion will be excellent clinicians, and this is coming from someone who had better stats than them, has numerous research and pubs, etc.
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In regards to the quote above, you're right. I should have provided a bit more to that description so as to save myself from everyone believing that I think anyone with less than a 3.7 GPA and 29 MCAT will do so poorly on the steps that they'd resort to the AOA. I was being quite dramatic in regards to that subset of matriculants in which I am describing someone who scrambles to get A grades at a community college to make up for their lack of ability to do well competing with other premeds at a their original institution once they realized they good boost their AACOMAS score. No, grades don't make someone a good clinician and that's not the argument I am trying to make, I was stating that it is more than likely this group of people who could not perform well on their steps and thus, could utilize the AOA as a way to play safe come time for residency.

Yes I am aware there are a million and one situations in which someone who apply AOA outside of being a "weaker" applicant but was not addressing that because I was refuting the point that in some way, the merger was done in complete favor to complement the AOA's goals. Which is why I agree you on your third and fourth point and at the end of the day, know full well this merge was NOT beneficial on our side.
 
AnatomyGrey12 said:
This. Honestly when I first started all I thought was important was prestige and doing residency at "big name" places. After having a number of friends and family member go through this process I can honestly say that fit and location are, by far, the biggest factors for a majority of medical students/residents. It really is a small subset of the medical student population that is truly gunning for that ivory tower type place. Most people just want to return to their part of the country, be near family, or go to the program that they really feel fits them. SDN just has a far greater percentage of the big academic types than the general population of medical students, MD or DO.
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You know just like with anything it's different strokes for different folks. Everyone in med school has different goals. Some want to just get from point A to point B with really no care about prestige or getting into academics. Others want to be intimately involved in academic medicine. Each of these goals have a different pathway and different hoops to jump. I'll be honest, if I had the choice between a solid university program in the midwest vs. a small community program in CA where my family is I'dd have a hard time choosing...but that's my naive mind right now and my decision could change down the road and I'm okay with that.


This is why everything taken on SDN should be taken with a grain of salt and questions SHOULD be asked about everything even if they are "naive" questions.

Anyways to keep this thread running: Will be interesting to see the Western and Touro-CA match this year.
 
AlteredScale said:
...at the end of the day, know full well this merge was NOT beneficial on our side.
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Honestly I think this is yet to be demonstrated. In the long-run I personally think it is in fact beneficial to the DO profession in general. Is it change? Sure. Is it all gumdrops and roses for DOs? Absolutely not. Is it the best thing to happen to all DO students? Probably not, but that doesn't mean its not beneficial to the profession.

Ultimately, we won't know what kind of effects it has until its implemented for a few years.
-I personally like the idea of there being minimal requirements for residencies, because unlike the strong AOA programs, there are also crappy ones that I really believe need to be either improved or shutdown. Pay-to-play residencies definitely shouldn't be a thing.
-I don't like the idea of AOA trained DOs being universally shut out of the significantly more numerous ACGME fellowships or DOs that did a TRI being shut out of tons of ACGME residencies, so the option of sitting tight with our handful of programs while DOs are split into a two-tier demographic didn't make sense to me.
-I also don't like the idea of being inherently reliant (because half of DOs go ACGME) on a system that we had no say in whatsoever, hence the benefit of having 28% of the voting seats on the ACGME.
-I also don't like the idea of international medical boards saying that because DOs could be AOA trained and not ACGME trained, then all individuals with DO degrees would be barred from being considered for medical licensure in those countries.
-I also didn't like the argument repeated over and over that DOs were taking a "backdoor" to medicine because they can go into "subpar" residencies, when the reality is that most were getting equivalent training.

In any case, I don't mean to get into an off-topic discussion about the pros and cons of the merger, because its old news. Its the law of land now. I'm just saying, its a little early to claim that it was the worst thing to happen to the DO profession since the death of AT Still.
 
hallowmann said:
Honestly I think this is yet to be demonstrated. In the long-run I personally think it is in fact beneficial to the DO profession in general. Is it change? Sure. Is it all gumdrops and roses for DOs? Absolutely not. Is it the best thing to happen to all DO students? Probably not, but that doesn't mean its not beneficial to the profession.

Ultimately, we won't know what kind of effects it has until its implemented for a few years.
-I personally like the idea of there being minimal requirements for residencies, because unlike the strong AOA programs, there are also crappy ones that I really believe need to be either improved or shutdown. Pay-to-play residencies definitely shouldn't be a thing.
-I don't like the idea of AOA trained DOs being universally shut out of the significantly more numerous ACGME fellowships or DOs that did a TRI being shut out of tons of ACGME residencies, so the option of sitting tight with our handful of programs while DOs are split into a two-tier demographic didn't make sense to me.
-I also don't like the idea of being inherently reliant (because half of DOs go ACGME) on a system that we had no say in whatsoever, hence the benefit of having 28% of the voting seats on the ACGME.
-I also don't like the idea of international medical boards saying that because DOs could be AOA trained and not ACGME trained, then all individuals with DO degrees would be barred from being considered for medical licensure in those countries.
-I also didn't like the argument repeated over and over that DOs were taking a "backdoor" to medicine because they can go into "subpar" residencies, when the reality is that most were getting equivalent training.

In any case, I don't mean to get into an off-topic discussion about the pros and cons of the merger, because its old news. Its the law of land now. I'm just saying, its a little early to claim that it was the worst thing to happen to the DO profession since the death of AT Still.
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Who's AT Still?


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OK guys, since I kind of veered this off, I'm going to throw in this LECOM list. Its not really much longer than the previous, but I'll try to just update this with whatever gets added from here on out. I'll try to do it once every 1-2 wks depending on how many get added.

Field
Accreditation / Site

Anesthesiology
MD Massachusetts General Hospital
MD Cleveland Clinic
MD Cleveland Clinic
MD Ohio State University
MD Henry Ford Hospital
MD Penn State
MD Shands - University of Florida
MD Mayo Clinic
MD Mayo Clinic - Minnesota

Derm
Military SAMMC

EM
Dual Lehigh Valley Health Network
MD Johns Hopkins
DO St. Elizabeth's
MD Albert Einstein/Jacobi/Montefiore
DO St. Barnabas
MD University at Buffalo
DO Henry Ford-Macomb
DO Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
DO Doctors Hospital
DO St. James Health
DO Oakwood Healthcare System (Trenton/Dearborn)
DO St. Vincent
DO St. Vincent
Dual Genesys Regional Medical Center
Dual Genesys Regional Medical Center
MD Atlantic Health Systems/Morristown Medical Center
MD Allegheny General Hospital
MD Baystate Medical Center
MD Mercy St. Vincent

FM
MD Albany Medical Center
Dual UPMC Altoona
MD MedStar Franklin Square
Dual Heritage Valley Beaver
DO Lakeside Medical Center
Dual Montana Family Medicine Residency
Dual Henry Ford-Detroit
Dual St. Vincent
Military Jacksonville Naval Hospital
Dual Allegheny Health Network - Forbes Hospital
DO Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center
Dual Guthrie/Robert Packer Hospital
MD HonorHealth Scottsdale Osborn Medical Center
MD Siouxland Med Ed Foundation
Dual Washington health system
Dual New Hanover Regional Medical Center
DO Arnot Ogden Medical Center

General Surgery
DO Care point health
DO Western Reserve
DO Wyckoff Heights MC
DO Grandview
DO Pinnacle Health
DO Allegiance Health
MD Christiana Care
DO St. James Health
MD Allegheny General Hosptial
DO Memorial Hospital
Military NMC San Diego
Military NMC San Diego

Vascular Surgery
MD Cleveland Clinic

IM
MD Albany Medical Center
DO West Anaheim Medical Center
MD Sinai Medical Center
Military Walter Reed National Military Medical Center
MD NYU Lutheran Medical Center
MD SUNY-Downstate
MD Cleveland Clinic
DO Doctors Hospital
MD Henry Ford Hospital
Dual University of Connecticut
MD Shands - University of Florida
MD Shands - University of Florida
MD Penn State
MD Penn State
DO Largo Medical Center
MD University of Louisville
MD Lenox Hill Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Military Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
Military Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
DO Northside Hospital Tampa Bay Heart Institute
MD NSLIJ- Staten Island University Hospital
MD U of South Florida
MD University of South Florida
MD USF
MD USF
DO Community Memorial Health System
DO St. John Macomb-Oakland
MD New Hanover Regional Medical Center
Dual University of Connecticut
MD Penn State Hershey

IM/EM
DO Aria

IM/Peds
MD University of Arizona
MD University of South Florida

Neurology
MD Albany Medical Center
MD University of Cincinnati
MD Cleveland Clinic Foundation
MD University of Connecticut
MD Penn State Hershey
Dual Michigan State University/Sparrow Hospital
MD Kaiser Permanente

Neurosurgery
DO Advocate Bromenn
DO St. Barnabas

OB/GYN
DO Doctors Hospital
MD Spectrum Butterworth/GRMEP
MD St. Barnabas
MD Rutgers
MD Orlando Health
MD St. Joseph Hospital
MD Nassau University Medical Center

Ophthalmology
DO St. John's Episcopal
DO St. John Health System
DO St. John Health System

Orthopedic Surgery
DO Doctors Hospital
DO Grandview
DO Nassau University Medical Center
DO Millcreek
DO Millcreek
DO Pinnacle
DO Jersey City Medical Center
DO Largo Medical Center
DO -
DO -
DO York Hospital

Otolaryngology and Facial Plastic Surgery
DO Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine (PCOM)
DO Henry Ford Macomb

Pathology
MD Duke University
MD Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center

Peds
MD Emory
MD Emory
MD Johns Hopkins
Dual Cooper University Medical Ct
MD Cleveland Clinic
Dual St. John Providence
MD Childrens Hospital of Michigan
MD Helen DeVos Children's Hospital (Spectrum/GRMEP)
MD University of Connecticut
MD Penn State
Dual Sparrow
MD Advocate Children's
MD UT Memphis - LeBonheur Children's
MD Nicklaus Childrens
MD Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson
MD Rutgers-New Jersey Medical School
MD Sacred Heart Hospital - Pensacola
MD DuPont Childrens

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation
MD Case Western Reserve University/MetroHealth Medical Center
MD NYU
MD SUNY Upstate Medical University

Psychiatry
MD University Hospitals - Case Medical Center
MD University Hospitals - Case Medical Center
MD Drexel University/Hahnemann University Hospitals
MD University of Florida
MD University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
MD The Ohio State University

Radiology
MD St. Vincent's
MD University of Cincinnati
MD UTHSCSA
DO Hemet Valley Medical Center
MD Milton S. Hershey Medical Center
MD UF Jacksonville
MD UF Jacksonville
DO St. James Health
MD Allegheny General Hospital
MD University of California, Irvine

Traditional Rotating Internship
UMO/FS afterward Military Walter Reed
UMO/FS afterward Military Travis AFB
TRI/FM DO Chino Valley Medical Center
TRI DO Largo Medical Center

LAST EDIT: They finally posted the match (really placement) list.
http://lecom.edu/content/uploads/2016/05/2016-LECOM-Match-Summary.pdf

SynapticDoctah said:
Who's AT Still?


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OH NO!!! ITS HAPPENED! WE'VE LOST OUR DISTINCTIVENESS!!!!!
 
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hallowmann said:
OK guys, since I kind of veered this off, I'm going to throw in this LECOM list. Its not really much longer than the previous, but I'll try to just update this with whatever gets added from here on out. I'll try to do it once every 1-2 wks depending on how many get added.

Field
Accreditation / Site

Anesthesiology
MD Massachusetts General Hospital
MD Cleveland Clinic
MD Cleveland Clinic
MD Ohio State University
MD Penn State
MD Shands - University of Florida
MD Mayo Clinic
MD Mayo Clinic - Minnesota

EM
Dual Lehigh Valley Health Network
MD Johns Hopkins
DO St. Elizabeth's
DO St. Barnabas
MD University at Buffalo
DO Henry Ford-Macomb
DO Arrowhead Regional Medical Center
DO Doctors Hospital
DO St. James Health
DO Oakwood Healthcare System (Trenton/Dearborn)
DO St. Vincent
DO St. Vincent
Dual Genesys Regional Medical Center
Dual Genesys Regional Medical Center
MD Atlantic Health Systems/Morristown Medical Center
MD Allegheny General Hopsital
MD Mercy St. Vincent

FM
MD Albany Medical Center
Dual UPMC Altoona
MD MedStar Franklin Square
Dual Heritage Valley Beaver
DO Lakeside Medical Center
Dual Montana Family Medicine Residency
Dual Henry Ford-Detroit
Dual St. Vincent
Military Jacksonville Naval Hospital
Dual Allegheny Health Network - Forbes Hospital
DO Niagara Falls Memorial Medical Center
Dual Guthrie/Robert Packer Hospital
MD HonorHealth Scottsdale Osborn Medical Center
MD Siouxland Med Ed Foundation
Dual Washington health system
Dual New Hanover Regional Medical Center
DO Arnot Ogden Medical Center

General Surgery
DO Care point health
DO Western Reserve
DO Grandview
DO Pinnacle Health
DO Allegiance Health
MD Christiana Care
DO St. James Health
MD Allegheny General Hosptial
DO Memorial Hospital
Military NMC San Diego

Vascular Surgery
MD Cleveland Clinic

IM
MD Albany Medical Center
DO West Anaheim Medical Center
MD Sinai Medical Center
Military Walter Reed National Military Medical Center
MD NYU Lutheran Medical Center
MD Cleveland Clinic
DO Doctors Hospital
MD Shands - University of Florida
MD Penn State
MD Penn State
DO Largo Medical Center
MD University of Louisville
MD Lenox Hill Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Dual Allegheny General Hospital
Military Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
Military Naval Medical Center Portsmouth
DO Northside Hospital Tampa Bay Heart Institute
MD U of South Florida
MD University of South Florida
MD USF
MD USF
DO Community Memorial Health System
DO St. John Macomb-Oakland
MD New Hanover Regional Medical Center
Dual University of Connecticut
MD Penn State Hershey

IM/EM
DO Aria

IM/Peds
MD University of South Florida

Neurology
MD Albany Medical Center
MD University of Cincinnati
MD University of Connecticut
MD Penn State Hershey
Dual Michigan State University/Sparrow Hospital
MD Kaiser Permanente

Neurosurgery
DO Advocate Bromenn
DO St. Barnabas

OB/GYN
DO Doctors Hospital
MD Spectrum Butterworth/GRMEP
MD St. Barnabas
MD Rutgers
MD Orlando Health
MD St. Joseph Hospital
MD Nassau University Medical Center

Ophthalmology
DO St. John's Episcopal
DO St. John Health System
DO St. John Health System

Orthopedic Surgery
DO Doctors Hospital
DO Grandview
DO Nassau University Medical Center
DO Millcreek
DO Millcreek
DO Pinnacle
DO Jersey City Medical Center
DO Largo Medical Center
DO -
DO -
DO York Hospital

Otolaryngology and Facial Plastic Surgery
DO Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine (PCOM)

Pathology
MD Duke University
MD Dartmouth-Hitchcock Medical Center

Peds
MD Emory
MD Johns Hopkins
Dual Cooper University Medical Ct
MD Cleveland Clinic
Dual St. John Providence
MD Helen DeVos Children's Hospital (Spectrum/GRMEP)
MD Penn State
Dual Sparrow
MD UT Memphis - LeBonheur Children's
MD Nicklaus Childrens
MD Rutgers- Robert Wood Johnson
MD DuPont Childrens
MD University of Connecticut

Physical Medicine and Rehabilitation
MD Case Western Reserve University/MetroHealth Medical Center
MD NYU

Psychiatry
MD University Hospitals - Case Medical Center
MD University Hospitals - Case Medical Center
MD Drexel University/Hahnemann University Hospitals
MD University of Florida
MD University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
MD The Ohio State University

Radiology
MD St. Vincent's
MD University of Cincinnati
DO Hemet Valley Medical Center
MD Milton S. Hershey Medical Center
MD UF Jacksonville
DO St. James Health
MD Allegheny General Hospital
MD University of California, Irvine

Traditional Rotating Internship
UMO/FS afterward Military Walter Reed
UMO/FS afterward Military Travis AFB
TRI/FM DO Chino Valley Medical Center



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Any extra info on the person who got the MGH match? Perfect step score or something?


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Peds at Hopkins... WOW! Then Anesthesia... what kind of water have these guys been drinking and where can I find it (then again they can't bring water to class 😉).

EDIT: I'd like to add that there are no DOs currently in the peds program

http://www.hopkinschildrens.org/Current-Residents.aspx

This person is a ceiling breaker!
 
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AlteredScale said:
Any extra info on the person who got the MGH match? Perfect step score or something?


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I don't want to copy what they said verbatim, but I'll summarize. They didn't rotate there, they took Step 1 & 2 and did well (they don't say how well). Basically boards + interview = spot. They didn't expect to get MGH, but they applied, interviewed, and ranked. The interview process was mixed with some top places flat rejecting and others interviewing. They recommend applying broadly. They had LORs from IM & Anesthesia, but doesn't seem like anything from "well-known academia". No research experience.

For Hopkins Peds, they said to take Steps, do lots of research, and make contacts in the academic Peds community for good LORs (this may also involve going to AAP conference - was mentioned by others that did university Peds).

For Hopkins EM (no idea where this stands competitiveness-wise), main additional advice to taking Step 1 & 2 was to get SLOEs from strong MD programs.

In general a lot of the advice seems very program-specific. Overwhelming recommendations involve: taking Steps and doing well (obviously), making contacts at university programs/in the field, getting academic LORs, and applying broadly. The importance of research seems very field/program-specific. The importance of rotating at the program is very program-specific. All else is what you would expect (e.g. be yourself at interview, show interest in the program, etc.).
 
yanks26dmb said:
It's not that all residencies hate DO's, but it's impossible to deny DO's aren't discriminated against. If you think otherwise, how do you reconcile the attached?
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I think my program would cite similar criteria when judging candidates. Yet we've matched DO's regularly for years.
 
AlteredScale said:
Which is why I agree you on your third and fourth point and at the end of the day, know full well this merge was NOT beneficial on our side.
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Speak for yourself, anecdotally having worked with n = about 3 or 4 residents from small AOA shops, there is certainly a void of quality control among those trainees. I would not want my loved one getting treated by someone at one of those hospitals. The adage that is training at an osteopathic hospital, see a lot do little, does not produce competent physicians.

And nice list LECOM!
 
Petypet said:
The adage that is training at an osteopathic hospital, see a lot do little, does not produce competent physicians.
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Can you elaborate on what this means? Are the residents shadowing an attending? Is the attending putting in orders?


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Can you elaborate on what this means? Are the residents shadowing an attending? Is the attending putting in orders?


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Certainly I over generalized it, and many osteopathic places have outstanding training, but it means a lot of learners per patient or per learning experience.
 
navigator said:
Anesth at MGH and EM at JHU?! Does this mean that these fields are becoming relatively easier to match into (i.e. PM&R) or were these complete studs with crazy board scores, LORs and pubs??
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It is not "easy" to match at ANY top tier program for ANY person ( MD or DO).
 
SLC said:
Anesthesia is a ton less competitive all of a sudden. There were a lot of SOAP openings this year.

EM I think is about the same as always. But has been very DO friendly for a while.




NYU Lutheran I think is ATSU-SOMA's Brooklyn teaching hospital. MD place with NYU affiliation but SOMA students are based out of there.
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I beg to differ regarding competition in Anesthesia. Having done my residency at Hopkins and having interviewed at multiple top 10 Anesthesia program, there are VERY few DOs that match in these programs. It is still competitive. You still have to have great board scores, LORs, and research/publications to be considered. Please do not minimize this.
 
IsWhat said:
Ugh, no.

Only in academic medicine does it matter where you go for residency, and academic physicians make up only a small percentage of practicing physicians in the United States. You mistakenly correlate your career goals as the 'standard' everyone should want to achieve.
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You are mistaken. It ABSOLUTELY matters where you did your residency regardless of whether you enter private or academic practice. Most high quality programs are high quality because of the complexity and breadth of experience you obtain while there. This matters.
 
Psai said:
Em is getting to be very competitive, I'm sure that there will be a jump when the next charting outcomes is published. I think there was only one open spot in the whole country. Can't just go by name though, jhu em is definitely not hopkins medicine. A lot of em people choose community programs for a better experience with more autonomy and 3 years instead of 4.

Anesthesia is about the same imo. It's getting marginally easier to get into the less desirable programs but the top is the top and still incredibly tough, similar to im. Anesthesia at mgh is an amazing match, that guy was likely a superstar and had some sort of connection, such as a collaborative paper or an awesome letter from a bigwig from mgh

You can't make a judgment in general based on individual matches though
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JHU EM is under the Hopkins Medicine umbrella. There are NO JHU affiliate EM programs FYI.
 
bobg504 said:
I beg to differ regarding competition in Anesthesia. Having done my residency at Hopkins and having interviewed at multiple top 10 Anesthesia program, there are VERY few DOs that match in these programs. It is still competitive. You still have to have great board scores, LORs, and research/publications to be considered. Please do not minimize this.
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You have to have great scores, LOR's and research/pubs to get into top programs in lots of fields that are less competitive. Anesthesia is seemingly becoming one of them. It's not a knock on the field, just the truth, people aren't flocking there like they did even 5 years ago. As a result, lots of places went unfilled this year.
 
I check the JHU EM program page and I'm trying to figure when Lake Erie all of a sudden became a feeder school for JHU. Nearly every year, they had one DO and all from LECOM.

Then again the alumni page does have several DOs from other schools. Just finding it strange with these DOs only coming from LECOM in the more recent years.
 
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