Match List 2016

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But... But... You said that it was impossible for DOs to get into top tier programs regardless of their achievements bc of their degrees.

Why do you care how people interpret the facts?You have issues.


I think his point was the same as many others - take these match lists with a grain of salt. LECOM has 3 campuses and 500 students with what is probably the "top" students reporting their matches. They have some great matches in there, but so does almost every DO school. Percentage-wise, there's usually about 3-5% of DOs per class that match at a top 20ish program in his/her respective specialty of choice.

There's really no good way to indicate one match by X school is better than another in the DO world since geography and self selection play such huge roles. Just congratulate those who did well.

LECOM as an institution has a ton of issues, but they do focus on board prep heavily and get the results. Can't argue much with that in our current system of board scores = residencies.
 
But... But... You said that it was impossible for DOs to get into top tier programs regardless of their achievements bc of their degrees.

Why do you care how people interpret the facts?You have issues.

I have tried my best to make sure I was interpreting the lists correctly and checked each respective sub-forum to make sure these are good matches. So I am not coming into this like a noob. For example....

Anesthesia match at MGH is top tier
PM&R match at Spaulding/Harvard is top tier
Ortho at Mayo is top tier

Even matching into an ACGME residency in competitive fields like neurosurgery and vascular surgery are impressive (even if they are low-tier or mid-tier programs). MeatTornado is trying to look for fault anytime there is a pro-DO sentiment.
 
I think his point was the same as many others - take these match lists with a grain of salt. LECOM has 3 campuses and 500 students with what is probably the "top" students reporting their matches. They have some great matches in there, but so does almost every DO school. Percentage-wise, there's usually about 3-5% of DOs per class that match at a top 20ish program in his/her respective specialty of choice.

There's really no good way to indicate one match by X school is better than another in the DO world since geography and self selection play such huge roles. Just congratulate those who did well.

LECOM as an institution has a ton of issues, but they do focus on board prep heavily and get the results. Can't argue much with that in our current system of board scores = residencies.

Right but MeatTornado is making a lot of inferences based off of my post. I don't like how LECOM does things with its students at all. It doesn't change my stance on going to an MD school over a DO one. However, I am just stating that I am impressed with how these students have matched. We thought MGH was a pipe dream for a DO student, but some one made it happen. It doesn't mean it will definitely happen again, but it is at least something to cheer about.
 
Right but MeatTornado is making a lot of inferences based off of my post. I don't like how LECOM does things with its students at all. It doesn't change my stance on going to an MD school over a DO one. However, I am just stating that I am impressed with how these students have matched. We thought MGH was a pipe dream for a DO student, but some one made it happen. It doesn't mean it will definitely happen again, but it is at least something to cheer about.

That's fair. MGH is great no matter what. I could go on for hours about LECOM but it's not the time or place.
 
I try my best to see which ones are top tier residencies from what is given on SDN. It's nearly impossible to find out unless you have a face to face with a PDs. From threads I have read, MGH for Anesthesia is considered top tier in the Anesthesia forums. What more should I do to get my facts straight?

This is a better, though time-consuming, way to do things.

My point here is to wonder why you are saying these matches, which represent < 1% of the list, are in any way reflective of the school when in fact in this case they are individual accomplishments that are fairly independent of the institution. At DO schools the majority of matches (where the meat of the match list lies) tend to be similar across all schools (lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs). This is not the case at US MD schools where there is some significant differences between schools' match lists that can be attributed to differences between those schools and not individual achievement.

For the record the way I look at these match lists is by going down to matches in my field (IM).

MGH is great no matter what.

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Right but MeatTornado is making a lot of inferences based off of my post. I don't like how LECOM does things with its students at all. It doesn't change my stance on going to an MD school over a DO one. However, I am just stating that I am impressed with how these students have matched. We thought MGH was a pipe dream for a DO student, but some one made it happen. It doesn't mean it will definitely happen again, but it is at least something to cheer about.

I might be wrong, but I think AZCOM had a student that matched Gas at MGH last year too. It may have been B&W though.
 
This is a better, though time-consuming, way to do things.

My point here is to wonder why you are saying these matches, which represent < 1% of the list, are in any way reflective of the school when in fact in this case they are individual accomplishments that are fairly independent of the institution. At DO schools the majority of matches (where the meat of the match list lies) tend to be similar across all schools (lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs). This is not the case at US MD schools where there is some significant differences between schools' match lists that can be attributed to differences between those schools and not individual achievement.

For the record the way I look at these match lists is by going down to matches in my field (IM).
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Again, I think you are reading too much into my statements. If you were to ask me if one should go MD or DO? I will always say MD. Do I like LECOM? No I don't (don't like their mandatory attendance, the fact you have to set up your own rotations, etc.). Is a match at MGH always top tier? No. Is a match into MGH in Anethesia top tier? Yes it is.

I was impressed by the individuals who made it to such places even though they go to a DO school. And yes I understand that it is more the individual in the case of DO schools since a lot of them don't have home departments in such fields. Having a home department gives a student a huge leg up, this is extremely true for top-tier MD schools. It is one of the largest reasons why they match into certain fields versus low-tier schools which don't have such departments.
 
Again, I think you are reading too much into my statements. If you were to ask me if one should go MD or DO? I will always say MD. Do I like LECOM? No I don't (don't like their mandatory attendance, the fact you have to set up your own rotations, etc.). Is a match at MGH always top tier? No Is a match into MGH in Anethesia top tier? Yes it is.

I was impressed by the individuals who made it to such places even though they go to a DO school. And yes I understand that it is more the individual in the case of DO schools since a lot of them don't have home departments in such fields. Having a home department gives a student a huge leg up, this is extremely true for top-tier MD schools. It is one of the largest reasons why they match into certain fields versus low-tier schools which don't have such departments.

This isn't about MD vs. DO. It's about evaluating different DO schools. I can imagine some pre-med seeing this thread and deciding to go to LECOM over [insert any other DO school here] because a couple of posters are saying that LECOM's match list was "the best" when in fact it is no different than any other DO school's when you look at the vast majority of matches.

With regards to differences in MD schools: I am talking about WHERE students match not which field they choose. For example at a top-tier school you'll see that the majority of IM matches are at top tier programs whereas there are way fewer at low-tier schools. Safe to say that's a school effect and not an individual effect.
 
This isn't about MD vs. DO. It's about evaluating different DO schools. I can imagine some pre-med seeing this thread and deciding to go to LECOM over [insert any other DO school here] because a couple of posters are saying that LECOM's match list was "the best" when in fact it is no different than any other DO school's when you look at the vast majority of matches.

Here was what I stated in my previous post

LECOM seems to be the most impressive to me, but kinda want to avoid a whole debate. They all seem to have really good matches so far. Waiting to see more.

It was the most impressive to me, meaning it is a personal opinion one of many. Also, in your previous post didn't you say that you couldn't evaluate different DO schools since it is based more on ones efforts versus MD schools?
 
I'm looking at the allopathic thread for the match list 2016 and its mainly ppl posting the match list. Why can't this thread be like that? Can we just have at least one year where ppl stop putting down other ppl's accomplishments and make a REAL match list thread?????

Because it's too early for a lot of DO schools to have their official lists organized, so a lot of the lists on here are going to either be speculation or thrown together from what people have heard.

Totally for fun, but whose list is more impressive - WesternU or KCU?

On an individual level I actually like Western's better. Maybe that's because I remember KCU's list from
the last few years and remember how impressed I was on both the individual and overall level (multiple Mayo matches, 29 gen surg matches in one year, Cleveland Clinic and Wash U, etc.). This year is solid, but didn't have the 'wow' factor that some previous lists had. I'm also pretty impressed by the UW and Northwestern PM&R matches from Western.

This is a better, though time-consuming, way to do things.

My point here is to wonder why you are saying these matches, which represent < 1% of the list, are in any way reflective of the school when in fact in this case they are individual accomplishments that are fairly independent of the institution. At DO schools the majority of matches (where the meat of the match list lies) tend to be similar across all schools (lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs). This is not the case at US MD schools where there is some significant differences between schools' match lists that can be attributed to differences between those schools and not individual achievement.

For the record the way I look at these match lists is by going down to matches in my field (IM).

I think what he's going for with individual matches isn't that it looks great for the school, but it's great for DO's, especially at programs which have traditionally filtered out DO's just because of the letters. Seeing a DO match ENT at Tulane certainly says far more about the individual than the school they graduated from. However, considering the fact that Tulane is one of the more DO-unfriendly programs out there, seeing any DO match into a highly competitive field there is worth taking notice.

Personally, I'm looking for match rate and the distribution of specialties. If they didn't match at least 95% of their class, it's a bad year imo. Also, did they match a fair number of people into moderate to competitive fields like ortho, gas, and surgery, or was their list 90-95% primary care? Then I break it down into fields (certain ones which I'm interested in) and see if there were a few or any competitive matches or if everyone is at no-name programs or disproportionately at 1 or 2 weaker programs. Then again, I really don't care about 90% of the individual matches on a given list, so I'm cherry-picking for things I'm looking for.
 
Great job everyone! These lists look good. Personally, I don't care for the prestige factor, but in many cases these great sites are great programs in and of themselves. Above all I hope everyone who matched, did so at one of their top ranked programs.

...Do I like LECOM? No I don't (don't like their mandatory attendance, the fact you have to set up your own rotations, etc.)...

This is a bit off topic, and I may regret perpetuating this part of the discussion, but you really should qualify that. LECOM-B is the only campus that has students set up their own rotations, and even then some students can be assigned/select core sites, but its after LECOM-E & SH have been assigned (i.e. leftover spots from the North, this may change, its a fluid process).

The only rotations you set up yourself at LECOM-E and LECOM-SH are electives (just like every other school), selectives (like any other school that has selectives), and FM (yeah this you have to set up yourself, but if you wanted to, you could get it set up by your core site with an FM doc).



I will also comment on the idea of prestige, and looking at match lists for the "top-tier" programs. At my school, most students I know are not really interested in prestige. Some are, and are gunning for well-known names, but most are looking for a program that will provide them with the type of education they want in the region they want (and this really varies). There is also an inherent preference, it seems, with programs that students have rotated at, probably for familiarity and knowing that you mesh well with the residents.

My friends at MD schools really are mixed on this. Some (not all) at a couple schools seem obsessed with getting to the most well-known program. They also tend to be the ones that are shocked when I say I'm interested in FM, and say I should be looking elsewhere (because they had a terrible preceptor for FM that in some cases were just general IM docs), and at very least I should go IM for the "options". My MD friends at other schools (mostly state MD schools) tend to be more focused on "fit" for residency program, and they also tend to not give me a lecture of how FM is for med students that barely pass the Steps.

Now none of these are meant to be generalizations, and they are anecdotal, and quite frankly limited to handfuls of students in a region that encompasses only a few states. The point I'm trying to make is that a lot goes in to how students from any given school apply and match for residency. All schools have a culture that generally predominates, and this culture might even vary to some degree from class to class. Without knowing any of these factors, its really hard to analyze match lists between different schools. What's really important is how happy the individuals are with their own match. Lets just stick with congratulating the people that have matched, and wishing them the best of luck.
 
It was the most impressive to me, meaning it is a personal opinion one of many. Also, in your previous post didn't you say that you couldn't evaluate different DO schools since it is based more on ones efforts versus MD schools?

Nope. Go back and read what I wrote again.

I'm saying it's silly to form an opinion about a match list based on < 1% of the list. You can certainly evaluate the lists. I just did so above: "lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs". There's essentially no difference between the schools with regards to match outcomes. You can go to any one of them and for every achievement level you'll get the same result.
 
Nope. Go back and read what I wrote again.

I'm saying it's silly to form an opinion about a match list based on < 1% of the list. You can certainly evaluate the lists. I just did so above: "lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs". There's essentially no difference between the schools with regards to match outcomes. You can go to any one of them and for every achievement level you'll get the same result.

Why the obsession with putting DO's in their place MT? Don't you have a fellowship to be excited about? Residency graduation is right around the corner isn't it?

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you're so damn obsessed with the Osteopathic forum, and DO match threads. It smacks of a major insecurity complex IMO.

Most people 3 years or from graduation can't be bothered with this stuff, much less MD's, why do you care where DO's are matching?
 
Nope. Go back and read what I wrote again.

I'm saying it's silly to form an opinion about a match list based on < 1% of the list. You can certainly evaluate the lists. I just did so above: "lots of family medicine, PM&R over-represented, large majority of IM matches at community programs". There's essentially no difference between the schools with regards to match outcomes. You can go to any one of them and for every achievement level you'll get the same result.

Okay I'll explain it again. I'm not in particular stating the LECOM match itself is impressive. What is impressive are the individuals themselves are able to match, a good chunk of which are in LECOM. Stag737 got the point of my post very easily. Most of my favorites were from this school. It's their individual effort and have never said otherwise in my previous posts.
 
Why the obsession with putting DO's in their place MT? Don't you have a fellowship to be excited about? Residency graduation is right around the corner isn't it?

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you're so damn obsessed with the Osteopathic forum, and DO match threads. It smacks of a major insecurity complex IMO.

Most people 3 years or from graduation can't be bothered with this stuff, much less MD's, why do you care where DO's are matching?

I think he is afraid of a DO takeover. He's right. He should be afraid. Very afraid.... since DOs make a large portion of the medical field..*eye roll*...
 
Yep, it was Mass General. I think that person should show up next year (would be class of 2019).

Good for that person. I don't want to derail this thread anymore, but I am happy these people are matching well and hope they continue to do so in the future.
 
Why the obsession with putting DO's in their place MT? Don't you have a fellowship to be excited about? Residency graduation is right around the corner isn't it?

For the life of me, I can't figure out why you're so damn obsessed with the Osteopathic forum, and DO match threads. It smacks of a major insecurity complex IMO.

Most people 3 years or from graduation can't be bothered with this stuff, much less MD's, why do you care where DO's are matching?

Just want to provide a balance to some silliness that can be misinterpreted by unsuspecting pre-meds. Again, not sure how this in any way demonstrates insecurity. About what? Also you should probably stop trying to dissuade posters with actual experience from posting. Or maybe if there are fewer of us around there won't be anyone left to call you out on YOUR insecurity and blatant BS.

Okay I'll explain it again. I'm not in particular stating the LECOM match itself is impressive. What is impressive are the individuals themselves are able to match, a good chunk of which are in LECOM. Stag737 got the point of my post very easily. Most of my favorites were from this school. It's their individual effort and have never said otherwise in my previous posts.

That's not what you said initially but ok.
 
Just want to provide a balance to some silliness that can be misinterpreted by unsuspecting pre-meds.

And what silliness would that be? That LECOM's match list isn't filled with as many name brand places and competitive specialty matches as Harvard or Penn's lists are? Any idiot knows that.

So what balance do you think needs to be applied here?

Again, not sure how this in any way demonstrates insecurity. About what? Also you should probably stop trying to dissuade posters with actual experience from posting. Or maybe if there are fewer of us around there won't be anyone left to call you out on YOUR insecurity and blatant BS.

I'm not the one trying to assert superiority in the DO section as a PGY-3 MD.
 
Great job everyone! These lists look good. Personally, I don't care for the prestige factor, but in many cases these great sites are great programs in and of themselves. Above all I hope everyone who matched, did so at one of their top ranked programs.



This is a bit off topic, and I may regret perpetuating this part of the discussion, but you really should qualify that. LECOM-B is the only campus that has students set up their own rotations, and even then some students can be assigned/select core sites, but its after LECOM-E & SH have been assigned (i.e. leftover spots from the North, this may change, its a fluid process).

The only rotations you set up yourself at LECOM-E and LECOM-SH are electives (just like every other school), selectives (like any other school that has selectives), and FM (yeah this you have to set up yourself, but if you wanted to, you could get it set up by your core site with an FM doc).



I will also comment on the idea of prestige, and looking at match lists for the "top-tier" programs. At my school, most students I know are not really interested in prestige. Some are, and are gunning for well-known names, but most are looking for a program that will provide them with the type of education they want in the region they want (and this really varies). There is also an inherent preference, it seems, with programs that students have rotated at, probably for familiarity and knowing that you mesh well with the residents.

My friends at MD schools really are mixed on this. Some (not all) at a couple schools seem obsessed with getting to the most well-known program. They also tend to be the ones that are shocked when I say I'm interested in FM, and say I should be looking elsewhere (because they had a terrible preceptor for FM that in some cases were just general IM docs), and at very least I should go IM for the "options". My MD friends at other schools (mostly state MD schools) tend to be more focused on "fit" for residency program, and they also tend to not give me a lecture of how FM is for med students that barely pass the Steps.

Now none of these are meant to be generalizations, and they are anecdotal, and quite frankly limited to handfuls of students in a region that encompasses only a few states. The point I'm trying to make is that a lot goes in to how students from any given school apply and match for residency. All schools have a culture that generally predominates, and this culture might even vary to some degree from class to class. Without knowing any of these factors, its really hard to analyze match lists between different schools. What's really important is how happy the individuals are with their own match. Lets just stick with congratulating the people that have matched, and wishing them the best of luck.

Also off topic, but LECOM Bradenton does not have to set up their own rotations. We have about ~100 spots available for us right now in Florida at year-long positions, and another 90 or so left over from Northern year longs. Maybe you meant we have the option of setting up our own rotations? I think we have about 5 people in our class doing that right now, because they want to go back home. But as of next year, apparently there won't even be the option of setting up your own rotations, because there will be more than enough year-longs available (I believe we're having trouble filling them all up right now in Florida, in fact).

We do have to find our own electives/selectives (like every school), but most people (from what I hear from upper classmen) just stick to the LECOM network or the same hospital. And I know we have to make sure our FM preceptor is a DO, so we might have to set up our own rotation for that if the hospital can't provide us with a FM DO.
 
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I've been reviewing the recommendations from people at LECOM that have matched, and in addition to the more commonly discussed advice (e.g. auditions may or may not be significant depending on where you rotate, do well on boards, take USMLE, find a place with good fit, etc.), the advice by those who matched into competitive programs all seem to suggest that you should dream big and apply broadly (even if you think you have no chance). Obviously, you should have backups and be realistic in that sense, but there is very little harm in applying for reaches.

Some of the competitive matches even explicitly mention thinking they had no chance matching at such programs, because of being DOs, and they're glad they still applied, interviewed, and ranked.

Also off topic, but LECOM Bradenton does not have to set up their own rotations. We have about ~100 spots available for us right now in Florida at year-long positions, and another 90 or so left over from Northern year longs. Maybe you meant we have the option of setting up our own rotations? I think we have about 5 people in our class doing that right now, because they want to go back home. But as of next year, apparently there won't even be the option of setting up your own rotations, because there will be more than enough year-longs available (I believe we're having trouble filling them all up right now in Florida, in fact).

We do have to find our own electives/selectives (like every school), but most people (from what I hear from upper classmen) just stick to the LECOM network or the same hospital. And I know we have to make sure our FM preceptor is a DO, so we might have to set up our own rotation for that if the hospital can't provide us with a FM DO.

In the past (when I applied), what I said was the case. If it has changed since then, then honestly that's great news. There are moments where I envy the idea of setting up your own rotations, and others where I'm thankful I don't have to worry about it, so it really is what you make of it.

Also, on a side note, I'd recommend doing electives at programs not in the affiliate lists, unless you are interested in a residency at those sites. Selectives have to be done at affiliates, so you'll have lots of time to rotate at those sites. Use your electives to branch out.
 
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Also off topic, but LECOM Bradenton does not have to set up their own rotations. We have about ~100 spots available for us right now in Florida at year-long positions, and another 90 or so left over from Northern year longs. Maybe you meant we have the option of setting up our own rotations? I think we have about 5 people in our class doing that right now, because they want to go back home. But as of next year, apparently there won't even be the option of setting up your own rotations, because there will be more than enough year-longs available (I believe we're having trouble filling them all up right now in Florida, in fact).

We do have to find our own electives/selectives (like every school), but most people (from what I hear from upper classmen) just stick to the LECOM network or the same hospital. And I know we have to make sure our FM preceptor is a DO, so we might have to set up our own rotation for that if the hospital can't provide us with a FM DO.

I hate to do this because I really want to see more match lists...so if someone wants to create a LECOM Rotations thread for us to discuss this then please do. However, I have to address this post because it's just not accurate.

The school is a branch campus in Florida. 0% of LECOM students at any campus are set up with both 3rd and 4th year rotations. In Bradenton, there are ~190 students, of which there's approx. 80 or so spots (this changes constantly - seemingly month to month) in Florida that yield varying amounts of rotations that are set up by the school in the 3rd year (as little as 5-6, as much as the whole year). The rest of the students are left to be independent or go up North to the small, leftover hospitals from the Erie and Seton Hill campuses. So, 1. there are way more than 5 people that are setting up their own rotations and 2. why do the students have to go up north at all when the school is in Florida?

Well, the four closest hospitals to the LECOM Campus...the two in Sarasota don't allow LECOM students even on their premises at all. One hospital in Bradenton that's paired with the one in Lakewood Ranch just dictated they also will not be having LECOM students in favor of the Carib. due to LECOM not paying.

One site in Orlando went from 30 to 0, and another site near Miami was changed in the last month and left many others to scramble for a new place. Not to mention, one site up North was going to take 12 students but it was a typo and the school really meant 2.

I appreciate that you're trying to back up your school, but don't blatantly lie when pretty much every 2nd year Bradenton student would say that their rotation situation was a mess.
 
And what silliness would that be? That LECOM's match list isn't filled with as many name brand places and competitive specialty matches as Harvard or Penn's lists are? Any idiot knows that.

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No.

I'm saying that LECOM's list is no better than any other DO school.

For the record I didn't know this subtext about LECOM that many posters are referring to with regards to mandatory lectures and setting up your own rotations. I'm simply saying that the fact that 3 people out of a class of 500 matched well doesn't reflect on the school.

Really a very simple concept.
 
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No.

I'm saying that LECOM's list is no better than any other DO school.

For the record I didn't know this subtext about LECOM that many posters are referring to with regards to mandatory lectures and setting up your own rotations. I'm simply saying that the fact that 3 people out of a class of 500 matched well doesn't reflect on the school.

Really a very simple concept.

If LECOM's is no better than any other school (which I agree with you on BTW) then why even comment?

Your take seems to be that a DO school is a DO school and that it doesn't matter which one you choose. If that's correct, then why do you as a nearly graduated resident even see fit to comment at all.

In other words, if some premed sees this thread and decides to go to LECOM because some people said their match list was one of the better DO ones this year, is there anything wrong with that? If all DO schools are the same, then that premed won't be any better or worse off for going to LECOM, right?
 
If LECOM's is no better than any other school (which I agree with you on BTW) then why even comment?

Your take seems to be that a DO school is a DO school and that it doesn't matter which one you choose. If that's correct, then why do you as a nearly graduated resident even see fit to comment at all.

In other words, if some premed sees this thread and decides to go to LECOM because some people said their match list was one of the better DO ones this year, is there anything wrong with that? If all DO schools are the same, then that premed won't be any better or worse off for going to LECOM, right?

But that premed picked the school for the wrong reason as opposed to another one that he or she would've been happier at our would've been a better fit.

I commented because two people implied that it was the most impressive list.


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But that premed picked the school for the wrong reason as opposed to another one that he or she would've been happier at our would've been a better fit.

I commented because two people implied that it was the most impressive list.


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Don't worry, I know what to look for in DO schools. Match list is not one of those things.
 
But that premed picked the school for the wrong reason as opposed to another one that he or she would've been happier at our would've been a better fit.

I commented because two people implied that it was the most impressive list.


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Not trying to put down students who choose to attend LECOM (I'm in the post-bacc program), but from my understanding, about half the of students (not all) attend LECOM because it's either cheap, that's the only school they got into, or geography... not because of the match list.


And yes, premeds who come across those two comments on how great the match list was will override everything else and sign their life away to attend LECOM...
 
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The school is a branch campus in Florida. 0% of LECOM students at any campus are set up with both 3rd and 4th year rotations. In Bradenton, there are ~190 students, of which there's approx. 80 or so spots (this changes constantly - seemingly month to month) in Florida that yield varying amounts of rotations that are set up by the school in the 3rd year (as little as 5-6, as much as the whole year). The rest of the students are left to be independent or go up North to the small, leftover hospitals from the Erie and Seton Hill campuses. So, 1. there are way more than 5 people that are setting up their own rotations and 2. why do the students have to go up north at all when the school is in Florida?

I have a good friend who attends LECOM-B and he has mentioned, multiple times, that if COCA visited them tomorrow, they would be in trouble. The school is too big to function. They only have 80 year long slots in the state despite having 190 students. There is absolutely no quality control over the clinical education portion of the program.
Anyway, back to match lists!
 
In the interest of trying to keep the conversation about match lists:

I think, for a large part, the lack of competitive specialties from most DO schools is a self-fulfilling policy. "It is known" that DOs aren't typically competitive for, say, dermatology-- plus there's only 30 or so AOA residency spots of derm, so it's a pretty ballsy move to shoot for derm at all, let alone ACGME derm. Med students tend to be a pretty risk-averse group as far as matching goes (for example, anecdotally, I can think of students toward the very top of my class who are planning on doing the AOA match to be safe, despite the fact they're likely very competitive for ACGME). There's not a ton of people who are willing to chance it AND are interested in those specialties AND have the grades/boards scores to make it even feasible.

The school is a branch campus in Florida. 0% of LECOM students at any campus are set up with both 3rd and 4th year rotations.
I'm hesitant to respond to this because the thread is derailing rapidly, but I just wanted to address this point. At both campuses up north, we are set up with both 3rd and 4th year rotations. 4th year has a lot of electives and selectives so your whole year isn't scheduled for you, but we are assigned a core site for both years. I don't know how things are set up in Bradenton so I'll defer to @latelogger .

Shhh. Not now. We're too busy rehashing the two most common osteopathic threads:

1)MD vs. DO

2)Is LECOM a good school?

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Seriously. I don't know why we even start new threads anymore.
 
"I'm hesitant to respond to this because the thread is derailing rapidly, but I just wanted to address this point. At both campuses up north, we are set up with both 3rd and 4th year rotations. 4th year has a lot of electives and selectives so your whole year isn't scheduled for you, but we are assigned a core site for both years. I don't know how things are set up in Bradenton so I'll defer to @latelogger ."

If this is true then I was given misinformation by an Erie student. I apologize, but I know for sure that the Bradenton campus is 100% of students on their own for 4th year and 3rd year is a mess.
 
In the interest of trying to keep the conversation about match lists:

I think, for a large part, the lack of competitive specialties from most DO schools is a self-fulfilling policy. "It is known" that DOs aren't typically competitive for, say, dermatology-- plus there's only 30 or so AOA residency spots of derm, so it's a pretty ballsy move to shoot for derm at all, let alone ACGME derm. Med students tend to be a pretty risk-averse group as far as matching goes (for example, anecdotally, I can think of students toward the very top of my class who are planning on doing the AOA match to be safe, despite the fact they're likely very competitive for ACGME). There's not a ton of people who are willing to chance it AND are interested in those specialties AND have the grades/boards scores to make it even feasible....

This undoubtedly is a part of the equation. I know people who have average Step scores and are saying they'll do IM because they don't want to risk not matching something reasonable like ACGME Rads or Anesthesia. I'm seeing that way more than the kid with a 210 who thinks he can match ACGME Derm or something.

Another problem is that when it comes to ClinEd and advising for the match process, it is basically non-existent at most DO schools. We get advice from 4th years, but if you don't actively seek out information about applying and the match, you could really have no idea what you're competitive for.

At my school, we get these generic lectures that warn us about "putting our eggs in the ACGME basket", and how we should really apply to affiliates. I swear at my school there's some people every year that don't realize they have to register for the NRMP match separate from just applying ACGME with ERAS, until they get a message about it from a program they interviewed at. That should never happen. Then you wonder why have the people at my school apply and match AOA.

We're not saying that DOs match as well as MDs or that anti-DO bias doesn't exist among PDs, but it's not a hard and fast rule that should prevent people from applying for something reasonable that they're interested in. Judging by the statements of those who applied and did well, it seems worth it to at least try, albeit with a backup.

If this is true then I was given misinformation by an Erie student. I apologize, but I know for sure that the Bradenton campus is 100% of students on their own for 4th year and 3rd year is a mess.

They were probably just exaggerating or didn't realize that you set up all your electives and selectives yourself at other schools too. It's been that way in LECOM-E/SH for some time now.
 
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I see MeatTornado hasn't given up his anti-DO crusade yet.

1) If any pre-med out there is choosing schools based on the matches of 2-3 students without any further due diligence then they deserve what they get.

2) The average DO student is still much weaker than the average MD student -- this will not change anytime soon. However, these matches are showing the DOs that are on par with the upper tier MD students will match into reputable ACGME residencies also. The bias still exists but as these residents perform well at top programs, more PDs will be receptive to taking DOs.

3) The folks that say DOs will be primary-care-only after the merger are clearly misinformed. The majority of DOs will always enter primary care because it's in the ****ing mission statement of basically all DO schools.
 
I see MeatTornado hasn't given up his anti-DO crusade yet.

1) If any pre-med out there is choosing schools based on the matches of 2-3 students without any further due diligence then they deserve what they get.

2) The average DO student is still much weaker than the average MD student -- this will not change anytime soon. However, these matches are showing the DOs that are on par with the upper tier MD students will match into reputable ACGME residencies also. The bias still exists but as these residents perform well at top programs, more PDs will be receptive to taking DOs.

3) The folks that say DOs will be primary-care-only after the merger are clearly misinformed. The majority of DOs will always enter primary care because it's in the ****ing mission statement of basically all DO schools.

My post wasn't about MD vs DO but to respond to some of these points

1. You clearly don't know SDN. It's obvious you've only been around for less than a year.

2. For every achievement level a US MD student will have far more options. As I always point out what matters most is WHERE you go for residency not which field you end up in.

3. We'll see what happens with the "merger" soon enough. I've made my views clear in other threads regarding the direction I think this is going in.
 
So... I was really excited to see where everyone was going this year. However, it seems I've stumbled into a strange pissing contest. Any way we could stop what's happening here and get back to match lists or just close this thread entirely and start a new one? You know a thread has thoroughly devolved when you see this MD vs DO nonsense start popping up. :beat:
 
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For every achievement level a US MD student will have far more options. As I always point out what matters most is WHERE you go for residency not which field you end up in.
Ugh, no.

Only in academic medicine does it matter where you go for residency, and academic physicians make up only a small percentage of practicing physicians in the United States. You mistakenly correlate your career goals as the 'standard' everyone should want to achieve.
 
It appears schools aren't releasing their match lists yet... although some students may have a self-reported list.
 
Match lists so far in the "match lists" thread: 3

BS: 4 f'ing pages

Come on people.

It seems like DO schools are slower to post their match lists or are not as open to posting them. Maybe it takes longer because there are matches from both AOA and ACGME. Also probably because there are more people leftover to scramble for spots compared to MD programs and schools want to wait until they can make the "100% match rate" claim.
 
I'm unsubscribing. Sorry for taking this thread off topic and distracting from all the match lists that are pouring in. 😉
 
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