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Mbeas said:
Nobody has said anything bad about DOs. There is nothing wrong with speaking about the realities about being a DO. Sorry if all you want to hear is DO=MD. There aren't equal opportunities for both. If you already know this, then there shouldn't be a problem.


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This thread has been filled with negativity and criticism from the first page. @MeatTornado et al. think they're sharing some great wisdom with everyone about how these matches aren't actually that impressive. Ok, yes. Fine. We all get it. It is not news to anyone that a nice DO match list isn't comparable to a lot of average MD matches and that one rad-onc here or there isn't a paradigm shift, but Jesus Christ.

And when someone comes on and says something about this, they're talked down to as if wanting a match list thread is silly and this amazingly profound discussion ought to continue, ad nauseam. I know that if I were happy and excited about my match and wanted to share my class' accomplishment, I'd be bothered too if some jerk came on saying, "Well actually, that isn't a 'good' (quotation marks for added douchery) match at all. Let me explain exactly why."

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J Senpai said:
This thread has been filled with negativity and criticism from the first page. @MeatTornado et al. think they're sharing some great wisdom with everyone about how these matches aren't actually that impressive. Ok, yes. Fine. We all get it. It is not news to anyone that a nice DO match list isn't comparable to a lot of average MD matches and that one rad-onc here or there isn't a paradigm shift, but Jesus Christ.

And when someone comes on and says something about this, they're talked down to as if wanting a match list thread is silly and this amazingly profound discussion ought to continue, ad nauseam. I know that if I were happy and excited about my match and wanted to share my class' accomplishment, I'd be bothered too if some d!ck came on saying, "Well actually, that isn't a 'good' (quotation marks for added douchery) match at all. Let me explain exactly why."

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We definitely should congratulate our classmates and celebrate matches, but I think what spurs MT and company is the way people react to the match lists. After a few strong matches from one or two schools, people are saying "the glass ceiling shattered!" or "looks like DO discrimination is a just a myth after all!". There's nothing wrong with being excited, but those are some really sweeping conclusions to draw from a couple of good matches.
 
acapnial said:
We definitely should congratulate our classmates and celebrate matches, but I think what spurs MT and company is the way people react to the match lists. After a few strong matches from one or two schools, people are saying "the glass ceiling shattered!" or "looks like DO discrimination is a just a myth after all!". There's nothing wrong with being excited, but those are some really sweeping conclusions to draw from a couple of good matches.
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Sure, I agree. I'd be annoyed too if I didn't think it was mostly people just having fun and enjoying seeing their friends be successful. People take odd things to heart, like the stupid "Medical Student (Accepted)" thread in allo.
 
acapnial said:
We definitely should congratulate our classmates and celebrate matches, but I think what spurs MT and company is the way people react to the match lists. After a few strong matches from one or two schools, people are saying "the glass ceiling shattered!" or "looks like DO discrimination is a just a myth after all!". There's nothing wrong with being excited, but those are some really sweeping conclusions to draw from a couple of good matches.
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Nobody is claiming discrimination isn't real, if you read that into people's posts you're probably reading your own bias into them.

But it's hard to argue that things aren't getting better when year over year people from DO schools are matching at increasing rates into fields that SDN's conventional wisdom says are off limits to DO's, and at programs historically thought to be quite good.

That Penn Integrated Plastics match is amazing to me. I've seen more and more of these types of matches happening with each year.
 
acapnial said:
We definitely should congratulate our classmates and celebrate matches, but I think what spurs MT and company is the way people react to the match lists. After a few strong matches from one or two schools, people are saying "the glass ceiling shattered!" or "looks like DO discrimination is a just a myth after all!". There's nothing wrong with being excited, but those are some really sweeping conclusions to draw from a couple of good matches.
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Especially when people considering their options view these threads. Its valuable to have some reality in here(along with the optimism)
 
CleganeBowlis4Real said:
Especially when people considering their options view these threads. Its valuable to have some reality in here(along with the optimism)
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This is one of the more inane arguments that gets made on this subject...

If someone makes it through 4 years of undergrad, possibly grad school, the MCAT, and the admissions process at multiple schools both DO and MD and then comes on here and divines that DO is an equal or better choice for surgical sub-specialty matching, then they probably wouldn't have made it far in medical school anyway.

Seriously, are there people accepted to medical school that are that clueless? And if so, how does that affect any of us?

Who cares if someone else is a little too enthusiastic about a DO school's match list. What does it matter to you?
 
SLC said:
This is one of the more inane arguments that gets made on this subject...

If someone makes it through 4 years of undergrad, possibly grad school, the MCAT, and the admissions process at multiple schools both DO and MD and then comes on here and divines that DO is an equal or better choice for surgical sub-specialty matching, then they probably wouldn't have made it far in medical school anyway.

Seriously, are there people accepted to medical school that are that clueless? And if so, how does that affect any of us?

Who cares if someone else is a little too enthusiastic about a DO school's match list. What does it matter to you?
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What a strawman, I said no such thing about that happening. I am talking about general put possibly misleading statements such as "the glass ceiling is breaking", even if one knows that a surgical subspecialty will still be difficult they may think that something like University IM programs that lead to competitive fellowships are relatively equal in difficulty from MD and DO, which isnt the case. In fact if it wasnt for posters like meattornado I would probably believe that myself.
 
SLC said:
This is one of the more inane arguments that gets made on this subject...

If someone makes it through 4 years of undergrad, possibly grad school, the MCAT, and the admissions process at multiple schools both DO and MD and then comes on here and divines that DO is an equal or better choice for surgical sub-specialty matching, then they probably wouldn't have made it far in medical school anyway.

Seriously, are there people accepted to medical school that are that clueless? And if so, how does that affect any of us?

Who cares if someone else is a little too enthusiastic about a DO school's match list. What does it matter to you?
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I know, right?

I generally stay out of the whole DO vs MD thing and Meat Tornado (and others) repeated posts disparaging DOs....but I just don't get why do they care so much?!

We are not in middle school anymore. Why so much negativity about something that doesn't affect you.

I've been around for many years and obviously don't ready every single post, but the general consensus all throughout sdn is that Md>DO >Caribbean has always stood. That doesn't mean people shouldn't sometimes choose to go to a DO school for a variety of reasons or that we can't celebrate a positive DO outcome.

Do the same people go around disparaging everyone that doesn't attend an IV league undergraduate school?
 
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What a strawman, I said no such thing about that happening. I am talking about general put possibly misleading statements such as "the glass ceiling is breaking", even if one knows that a surgical subspecialty will still be difficult they may think that something like University IM programs that lead to competitive fellowships are relatively equal in difficulty from MD and DO, which isnt the case. In fact if it wasnt for posters like meattornado I would probably believe that myself.
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Everybody knows that the top end programs in ACGME IM are hard to get or out of reach (depending on the program) for DO applicants. Literally everyone who cares enough about that sort of thing anyway.

But getting into an IM program that can get you into a fellowship in a competitive field (Cards, GI, HemeOnc) is not at all out of reach for a decent DO candidate.

It's not as though you have to be on Housestaff at Ostler to get into Cardiology, plenty of folks from mid tier University Programs (even DO's) get those fellowships.

So if your goal is to become a cardiologist, with the right work ethic and performance, even as a DO, you would have a very high likelihood of doing so. If your goal is to become a Harvard or Hopkins trained Cardiologist, then obviously that's a different story.
 
Actually this is earth shattering or however the previous people have described it. I'll tell you why.

DOs are now matching into programs that they were supposed to match into. Granted, most DO students did not complete the right steps to obtain these spots. For example, doing very well on the usmle, spend hours in the lab, marketing themselves, etc. However the ones who have should be given the opportunity which they now are.

I am a DO, recently graduated. Most DO students do not care about competitive specialities and programs. At least 50% of my class just wanted to be a doc near where they're from or in a place they wanted to live. They literally didn't care about anything else such as prestige. However the ones who wanted to attain these "untouchable" programs barely had the opportunity. It seems as though that opportunity is becoming more of a reality.

Correct me if I'm wrong that's all that people are trying to point out. Most of the graduates are still going into the usual programs that DOs match into. We aren't going to start to see top tier programs have equal amounts of DOs and MDs. But at least our graduates will now be well represented. Because the last time I checked we all still attended medical school and took our boards. Some of us went the extra mile and took double boards and rotated at places we're not welcome at.

Ps Meat tornado you're a misery and everyone knows it. If you have nothing constructive to say just leave the forum. I'm sorry your ex is dating a handsome osteopath now 🙂
 
TopTomato said:
Haven't been on here in a while too busy with boards. But here's PCOM's list if nobody's posted it yet. Plastics at UPenn and Rad-Onc at Fox chase were the ones that stood out to me.
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Nice list! Plastics and Rad Onc are both still incredibly difficult to match into (again, both as an MD and DO), but it's good to have recent DO graduates entering these fields at great places to give the rest of us some inspiration/guidance. Where there's a will there's a way.
 
Novas list. Still missing a hundo or so.

Specialty Hospital/Program Name
Anesthesiology Largo Medical Center
Anesthesiology Cleveland Clinic- South Pointe Hospital
Anesthesiology Kendall Regional Medical Center
Anesthesiology University of Miami/Jackson Memorial Health System
Anesthesiology Thomas Jefferson University Hospital
Anesthesiology Icahn School of Medicine at Mt Sinai/St Lukes-Roosevelt
Anesthesiology University of Miami/Jackson Memorial Hospital
Anesthesiology University of Tennessee
Diagnostic Radiology University of South Florida Morsani COM
Diagnostic Radiology Beaumont Farmington Hills (Formerly Botsford)
Diagnostic Radiology / Preliminary Year University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
Diagnostic Radiology Temple University Radiology/Drexel Prelim
Diagnostic Radiology University of Cincinnati Medical Center
Diagnostic Radiology/Transitional Year University of Texas Health Science Center - San Antonio/Transitional year at John Peter Smith Hospital in Forth Worth
Diagnostic Radiology/Transitional Year Mayo Clinic
Dual EM/IM Vidant Medical Center/ECU
Emergency Medicine William Beaumont Hospital
Emergency Medicine USF-Tampa General Hospital
Emergency Medicine St. Mary Mercy Hospital
Emergency Medicine University of Illinois Peoria
Emergency Medicine Mount Sinai Medical Center
Emergency Medicine Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital
Emergency Medicine Beaumont Farmington Hills (Formerly Botsford)
Emergency Medicine St Barnabas Hospital
Emergency Medicine Baystate
Emergency Medicine Virginia Commonwealth University COM
Emergency Medicine Mercy St. Vincent's Hospital
Emergency Medicine Eastern Virginia Medical School
Family Medicine Florida Hospital East Orlando
Family Medicine Spartanburg Regional
Family Medicine Eastern Maine Medical Center
Family Medicine Medical College of Georgia
Family Medicine Gwinnett Medical Center
Family Medicine St. Vincents
Family Medicine Community Health of South Florida Inc
Family Medicine Brookhaven Memorial Hospital
Family Medicine Christ Hospital- Carepoint Health
Family Medicine Florida Hospital East Orlando
Family Medicine Sampson Regional Medical Center
Family Medicine Stonybrook/Southampton
Family Medicine Alaska Family Medicine Residency / Providence
Family Medicine Alaska Family Medicine Residency / Providence
Family Medicine Eglin Air Force Base
General Surgery Drexel University / Hahnemann Univ. Hosp.
General Surgery Henry Ford Wyandotte Hospital
General Surgery Mclaren Macomb
General Surgery Palisades Medical Center
General Surgery Pinnacle Health
General Surgery Mercy Suburban
General Surgery Flushing Hospital Medical Center
General Surgery St. Johns Episcopal Hospital
General Surgery University of Miami/ JFK Palm Beach GME
IM Prelim Year San Antonio Military Medical Center
Internal Medicine University of New Mexico
Internal Medicine Albert Einstein Medical Center
Internal Medicine Legacy Emanuel/Good Sam
Internal Medicine Christiana Care
Internal Medicine Magnolia Regional Healthcare Center
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Palmetto General Hospital
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Mount Sinai Medical Center
Internal Medicine Mount Sinai Medical Center
Internal Medicine Mount Sinai Medical Center
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Palmetto General Hospital
Internal Medicine Palmetto General Hospital
Internal Medicine Broward Health Medical Center
Internal Medicine Genesys Regional Medical Center
Internal Medicine Carolinas Healthcare System Blue Ridge
Internal Medicine Valley Hospital
Internal Medicine Plaza Medical Center of Fort Worth
Internal Medicine Reading Health System
Internal Medicine Cleveland Clinic Florida
Internal Medicine Drexel University / Hahnemann Univ. Hosp.
Internal Medicine Community Memorial Hospital
Internal Medicine Parkview Medical Center
Internal Medicine Weatherford Regional
Internal Medicine Palmetto General Hospital
Internal Medicine University Hospital
Internal Medicine Christiana Care
Internal Medicine Cedars Sinai Medical Center
Internal Medicine Georgetown Univeristy
Internal Medicine University of Florida/Shands Hospital
Internal Medicine University of Flordia/Shands Hospital
Internal Medicine Kennestone Regional Medical Center
Internal Medicine University of Florida/Shands Hospital
Internal Medicine Mount Carmel
Internal Medicine Indiana University
Neurology Madigan Army Medical Center
Neurology Valley Hospital
Neurology Larkin Community Hospital
Obstetrics and Gynecology Rutgers University/St. Peter's University Hospital
Obstetrics and Gynecology Cooper University Hospital
Obstetrics and Gynecology Inova Fairfax Hospital
Obstetrics and Gynecology University of South Alabama
Ophthalmology Medical College of Georgia
Ophthalmology Doctors Hospital
Orthopedic Surgery Beaumont Farmington Hills (Formerly Botsford)
Orthopedic Surgery Broward Health Medical Center
Orthopedic Surgery Doctors Hospital
Orthopedic Surgery Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine
Pathology Cedars-Sinai Medical Center
Pathology University of South Florida
Pathology University of Texas Health Science Center at San Antonio
Pathology University of Tennessee
Pediatrics (Miami) Nicklaus Children's Hospital
Pediatrics Broward Health Medical Center
Pediatrics UF Jacksonville/Wolfson's Children's Hosp.
Pediatrics Good Samaritan Hospital and Medical Center
Pediatrics UF Jacksonville/Wolfson's Children's Hosp.
Pediatrics Broward Health Medical Center
Pediatrics Connecticut Children's Medical Center
Pediatrics UCONN CCMC
Pediatrics University of Miami /Jackson
Pediatrics Akron Children's Hospital
Physical Med Rehab William Beaumont Hospital (Categorical)
Physical Med Rehab Michigan State University
Physical Med Rehab Wayne State Rehab Institute of Michigan
Psychiatry UF Gainesville/ Shands Hospital
Psychiatry UF Gainesville/ Shands Hospital
Psychiatry Hennepin-Regions
Psychiatry UF Jacksonville/ Shands
Psychiatry California Pacific Medical Center
Psychiatry Palm Beach
TRI (derm) Broward Health Medical Center
TRI (Radiology) Naval Medical Center San Diego
TRI (Emergency Med) HackensackUMC-Palisades
Urologic Surgery Drexel University / Hahnemann Univ. Hosp.
 
That's a lot of DOs at UTHSCSA Radiology next year (TCOM and NSU)
 
Kniveschau29 said:
I am a DO, recently graduated. Most DO students do not care about competitive specialities and programs. At least 50% of my class just wanted to be a doc near where they're from or in a place they wanted to live. They literally didn't care about anything else such as prestige. However the ones who wanted to attain these "untouchable" programs barely had the opportunity. It seems as though that opportunity is becoming more of a reality.

Correct me if I'm wrong that's all that people are trying to point out. Most of the graduates are still going into the usual programs that DOs match into. We aren't going to start to see top tier programs have equal amounts of DOs and MDs. But at least our graduates will now be well represented. Because the last time I checked we all still attended medical school and took our boards. Some of us went the extra mile and took double boards and rotated at places we're not welcome at.

Ps Meat tornado...I'm sorry your ex is dating a handsome osteopath now 🙂
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I know KCU was already listed, but the official list was just released by the school:
https://www.kcumb.edu/uploadedFiles/Content/Academics/_Assets/Match2016.pdf


AlteredScale said:
Can't confirm unfortunately. This is an error that's made time and time again at a lot of schools with writing UChicago and not NorthShore. I don't know much about the affiliations and how strong they are to the extent that Northshore would be placed under the name of UChicago.
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Not sure, I know they're relatively close, but Idk how strong the actual affiliation would be. I know the NorthShore system is considered separate form UC by the general public. Not sure about the academic opportunities, Northshore residents do have access to UC's medical library though, lol.

Link to North Shore IM program:
http://www.northshore.org/academics/academic-programs/residency-programs/internal-medicine/

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And the CUBS!!!
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Boooooo! Go back to Wrigleyville!
 
Noticed several Cleveland Clinic matches in that list, all in different specialities. It feels like the students are slowly matching better than before, I am referring to their ceiling matches of course.
 
IslandStyle808 said:
Noticed several Cleveland Clinic matches in that list, all in different specialities. It feels like the students are slowly matching better than before, I am referring to their ceiling matches of course.
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Cleveland clinic is really DO friendly. They just take the best of the best regardless of degree/med school. It's probably the main reason MD seniors don't consider it "elite" anymore.
 
Cubsfan10 said:
Cleveland clinic is really DO friendly. They just take the best of the best regardless of degree/med school. It's probably the main reason MD seniors don't consider it "elite" anymore.
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I can't disagree there. The elitism at some top places (whether med school, residency program, or academic hospital) is appalling.
 
From what I have seen on the speciality forums, CC is around mid-tier for those specialities (of course, I leave the true interpretation to the residents on here). For DOs, to match into such mid-tier programs is still really good.
 
Brorthopedic said:
He said something about CC not being an elite program by any means unless you're doing cardiology fellowship with some guy, can't remember the exact name
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CC is not an elite residency program. You will be very hard pressed to find anyone who's going to make that claim. Now, if you want to be a cardiology fellow, and have the opportunity to train under Steve Nissen, then yes it's pretty darn elite.

Go ahead and interview there and check it out for yourself. I was very underwhelmed. I think that there are a lot stronger programs out there that are attainable for DO's where you're going to get a stronger training experience*

*This only pertains to internal medicine, as it's the only field that I have direct experience with
 
Cleveland clinic and UPMC are the best a DO can do in rads so far.


At Cleveland Clinic,
IM is considered mid-upper tier (there's a lot of programs total)

Surgical subspecialties are all top 10-15 (urology is considered one of the top in the nation)

Path, rads, and anesthesia are solidly top 20.

IM and peds are probably the "worst" programs at CCF due to the high number of fellows and such. Well, besides EM which they partner with Metro downtown so it's not even really their program.

But, honestly if you can get a top 20ish hospital as a DO, I'd say that's pretty good.
 
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LMU-DCOM
http://www.lmunet.edu/uploads/_dcom/pdfs/2016-residency-placement-by-location.pdf.pdf
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Strong work with the urological surgery at Albert Einstein, Ortho at LSU-NOLA, and IM at GWU Hospital.
Stagg737 said:
I know KCU was already listed, but the official list was just released by the school:
https://www.kcumb.edu/uploadedFiles/Content/Academics/_Assets/Match2016.pdf
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Would really like to know the story behind that person who matched to Tulane University for ENT.

I know I'll get flack for it because supposedly the morale there is bad within this specialty, but the EM at NYP seems like a decent academic match (don't understand why it says Columbia and Cornell as those are two different sites right?).

Psychiatry match to University of Michigan seems pretty strong too. I can't see the whole roster on their website but it looks like it's an MD-preferred program).

Are all those TRI's for advanced residencies?
 
AlteredScale said:
I know I'll get flack for it because supposedly the morale there is bad within this specialty, but the EM at NYP seems like a decent academic match (don't understand why it says Columbia and Cornell as those are two different sites right?).
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I'm 99% sure that while it's two different hospitals, it's the same residency program and they rotate between them.
 
AlteredScale said:
Strong work with the urological surgery at Albert Einstein, Ortho at LSU-NOLA, and IM at GWU Hospital.


Would really like to know the story behind that person who matched to Tulane University for ENT.

I know I'll get flack for it because supposedly the morale there is bad within this specialty, but the EM at NYP seems like a decent academic match (don't understand why it says Columbia and Cornell as those are two different sites right?).

Psychiatry match to University of Michigan seems pretty strong too. I can't see the whole roster on their website but it looks like it's an MD-preferred program).

Are all those TRI's for advanced residencies?
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Is my eyes playing tricks on me or did I actually see an IM match at UC-Irvine (their medical center)!
 
AlteredScale said:
I know I'll get flack for it because supposedly the morale there is bad within this specialty, but the EM at NYP seems like a decent academic match (don't understand why it says Columbia and Cornell as those are two different sites right?).
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There was a guy from RVU that matched EM at Utah past year, that might be the strongest EM match I've seen for DO.

Edit: A few years back an ATSU-SOMA guy broke into Harbor-UCLA, that's the best one I've seen.
 
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Is my eyes playing tricks on me or did I actually see an IM match at UC-Irvine (their medical center)!
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Has happened before I think. Not frequently, but they've taken DO's since I've been paying attention (I was very much going toward IM till the end of 3rd year.)
 
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Is my eyes playing tricks on me or did I actually see an IM match at UC-Irvine (their medical center)!
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Yeah seems like UCIrvine is one of the UCs accepting for IM to their medical center as supposed to affiliate hopsitalslike ucsf of ucla.


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SLC said:
There was a guy from RVU that matched EM at Utah past year, that might be the strongest EM match I've seen for DO.

Edit: A few years back an ATSU-SOMA guy broke into Harbor-UCLA, that's the best one I've seen.
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Someone from PCOM-GA just match Harbor UCLA EM this year. Anyway, what do you mean by strongest EM match? Is it b/c Utah is anti-DO? There is no way Utah EM is among the elite. It's a solid program, but strongest? Hold it right there.

About that dude matched at Utah, I had seen that guy in action during one of his sub-i. He is legit. No wonder he matched into Utah despite of their anti-DO.
 
kenjixshadow said:
Someone from PCOM-GA just match Harbor UCLA EM this year. Anyway, what do you mean by strongest EM match? Is it b/c Utah is anti-DO? There is no way Utah EM is among the elite. It's a solid program, but strongest? Hold it right there.

About that dude matched at Utah, I had seen that guy in action during one of his sub-i. He is legit. No wonder he matched into Utah despite of their anti-DO.
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I think SLC is from Utah, so he's probably a bit biased
 
kenjixshadow said:
Someone from PCOM-GA just match Harbor UCLA EM this year. Anyway, what do you mean by strongest EM match? Is it b/c Utah is anti-DO? There is no way Utah EM is among the elite. It's a solid program, but strongest? Hold it right there.

About that dude matched at Utah, I had seen that guy in action during one of his sub-i. He is legit. No wonder he matched into Utah despite of their anti-DO.
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I had heard this about several of Utah's programs as well, although I think their psych program has a few DOs
 
kenjixshadow said:
Someone from PCOM-GA just match Harbor UCLA EM this year. Anyway, what do you mean by strongest EM match? Is it b/c Utah is anti-DO? There is no way Utah EM is among the elite. It's a solid program, but strongest? Hold it right there.

About that dude matched at Utah, I had seen that guy in action during one of his sub-i. He is legit. No wonder he matched into Utah despite of their anti-DO.
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Utah is anti DO, however I think the underlying reason behind why people always refer to DO matches there as "super competitive" is because the school has a big monopoly on pre-meds because they only accept 80 or 90 in state students per year, yet Utah has one of the highest pre-meds per capita (and OOS students attending BYU and such still count as "in state" for acceptance which heavily scews an acceptance against you if you are actually in state and from Utah). Utah also has a very specific culture, and many people do not want to leave that culture (even though the vast majority of the pre-meds have to). This means people from Utah watch matches at University of Utah closely and hold them as a "certain kind of special".. Many pre-meds I know actually spent one or two cycles ONLY applying to U of U! Thats how crazy people are about staying here, and as such people continue to hold UofU on a pedestal . just my opinion following up on @Dr. Death 's opinion.
 
kenjixshadow said:
Someone from PCOM-GA just match Harbor UCLA EM this year. Anyway, what do you mean by strongest EM match? Is it b/c Utah is anti-DO? There is no way Utah EM is among the elite. It's a solid program, but strongest? Hold it right there.

About that dude matched at Utah, I had seen that guy in action during one of his sub-i. He is legit. No wonder he matched into Utah despite of their anti-DO.
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I didn't say Utah is the strongest, but it is one of the top 25% programs out there. I'm sorry but that's just the truth. And they don't even allow DO's to rotate with them, or in any of the local Salt Lake City hospitals that have affiliation. I'm sure the guy they took is a strong applicant, I'm just amazed they even looked at him.

Utah as an institution is about as anti DO as thy come. I can count on one hand the number of DO's I've seen in UofU residency programs in the past 10 years. Even Family Medicine rarely if ever matches a DO.

Apart from Harbor UCLA which is a legitimate top 10 program, Utah is probably the second strongest EM program I've seen a DO match at.
 
DNC127 said:
Utah is anti DO, however I think the underlying reason behind why people always refer to DO matches there as "super competitive" is because the school has a big monopoly on pre-meds because they only accept 80 or 90 in state students per year, yet Utah has one of the highest pre-meds per capita (and OOS students attending BYU and such still count as "in state" for acceptance which heavily scews an acceptance against you if you are actually in state and from Utah). Utah also has a very specific culture, and many people do not want to leave that culture (even though the vast majority of the pre-meds have to). This means people from Utah watch matches at University of Utah closely and hold them as a "certain kind of special".. Many pre-meds I know actually spent one or two cycles ONLY applying to U of U! Thats how crazy people are about staying here, and as such people continue to hold UofU on a pedestal . just my opinion following up on @Dr. Death 's opinion.
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I get what you're saying, but I didnt apply to Utah, I wanted out of the state.

In reality, a few of their residency programs are just really really good. EM being one of them,

It has a strong Trauma program. It's got an amazing wilderness medicine program; among other things.
 
SLC said:
I didn't say Utah is the strongest, but it is one of the top 25% programs out there. I'm sorry but that's just the truth. And they don't even allow DO's to rotate with them, or in any of the local Salt Lake City hospitals that have affiliation. I'm sure the guy they took is a strong applicant, I'm just amazed they even looked at him.

Utah as an institution is about as anti DO as thy come. I can count on one hand the number of DO's I've seen in UofU residency programs in the past 10 years. Even Family Medicine rarely if ever matches a DO.

Apart from Harbor UCLA which is a legitimate top 10 program, Utah is probably the second strongest EM program I've seen a DO match at.
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Utah's PM&R residency is full of DO's (maybe even more DO's than MD's); however, it seems PM&R is one of the exceptions at even the most "prestigious" programs. Looks like there are 2 DO's doing IM preliminary year at UU. Maybe this is a sign of change?



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hbslax4 said:
Utah's PM&R residency is full of DO's (maybe even more DO's than MD's); however, it seems PM&R is one of the exceptions at even the most "prestigious" programs. Looks like there are 2 DO's doing IM preliminary year at UU. Maybe this is a sign of change?



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There are 4 DO's in the program now, about ¼ of the total. PM&R is one field where DO's may even have an edge over MD's at many programs.

I'm shocked to hear that the prelim med program has DO's, because it's mainly at IHC's big deathstar hospital in Murray that won't even allow DO's to rotate. IHC is 100% open to DO's at their other hospitals but not IMC.
 
W19 said:
What's the difference b/t traditional and transitional rotating internship in the DO world?
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Traditional rotating internship = AOA
Transitional year = ACGME

They are both the same type of year designed to be an internship in the classical sense. Mostly medicine with electives. Months vary by program.
 
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SLC said:
I didn't say Utah is the strongest, but it is one of the top 25% programs out there. I'm sorry but that's just the truth. And they don't even allow DO's to rotate with them, or in any of the local Salt Lake City hospitals that have affiliation. I'm sure the guy they took is a strong applicant, I'm just amazed they even looked at him.

Utah as an institution is about as anti DO as thy come. I can count on one hand the number of DO's I've seen in UofU residency programs in the past 10 years. Even Family Medicine rarely if ever matches a DO.

Apart from Harbor UCLA which is a legitimate top 10 program, Utah is probably the second strongest EM program I've seen a DO match at.
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Denver Health has a few DOs and they are considered one of the best EM programs in the country alongside UCLA - Harbor and a few others. The head trauma surgeon over there basically wrote the book on traumatology, so the training those residents receive is second to none.
 
IsWhat said:
Denver Health has a few DOs and they are considered one of the best EM programs in the country alongside UCLA - Harbor and a few others. The head trauma surgeon over there basically wrote the book on traumatology, so the training those residents receive is second to none.
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Yep, Denver is very good. So is Harbor.

I didn't know Denver had DO's I knew Harbor has taken a few, a dude from my school was the first one a few years back.

Utah is a solid program, one of the better ones out there, and they don't allow DO's for rotations and to my knowledge have only ever matched the one from RVUCOM. That's all I'm saying.
 
SLC said:
Yep, Denver is very good. So is Harbor.

I didn't know Denver had DO's I knew Harbor has taken a few, a dude from my school was the first one a few years back.

Utah is a solid program, one of the better ones out there, and they don't allow DO's for rotations and to my knowledge have only ever matched the one from RVUCOM. That's all I'm saying.
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A lot of programs east of the Rockies that are as or more solid that have taken DOs. Only a handful of programs, Vandy/Cinci/Pitt haven't had a DO yet. I never heard of Utah honestly before this discussion, where would it be in the likes of Cook County, Indiana, Hennepin, Emory, Maryland that everyone seems rave about. Utah is even middle of the road on Doximity (i know i know). Are there some people there I should be paying attention to research-wise? Or is it just because Utah is an old boys club that doesn't like DOs?
 
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