Match List 2016

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Also to the guy who is obsessed with doximity, your link says that their ranking is based off a survey, which is basically a popularity contest like I said.

Reading is hard, isn't it?

I'll help you out and highlight the important parts:

RESIDENTS’ SATISFACTION SURVEY

All physician members who were current residents or recent graduates of U.S. residency programs were surveyed beginning June 2015. The survey is still ongoing: interested residents and recent residency graduates are encouraged to contribute responses about their experience through October 2015.

MEASUREMENT OF RESEARCH OUTPUT

Profile data of all U.S. physicians, regardless of membership with Doximity, were used to calculate research output score for each residency program’s recent alumni base. This score was calculated from a combination of the collective h-index of publications authored by alumni graduating within the past 15 years, as well as research grants awarded. Each program’s research output was then compared to all other programs within the same specialty to create a percentile score.

REPUTATION DATA AMONG BOARD CERTIFIED PHYSICIANS

The 2015 survey for peer nominations across 22 specialties was conducted from June to August 2015. Surveyed specialties were limited to those that participated in Electronic Residency Application Service (ERAS).

Design for the survey was modeled, with permission, on the annual physician survey that is a component of U.S. News & World Report's Best Hospitals rankings. U.S. News editors also provided informal input into the design of the survey.

Each physician could nominate up to 5 residency programs using a survey instrument

30,163 verified, board-certified physicians participated in the peer nomination process. The results of the 2015 reputation survey were pooled with those of the 2014 survey such that only the most recent (2015) responses were counted for physicians that responded to both years.

To account for “self-votes”, raw votes were divided into alumni-votes and non-alumni votes. Alumni votes were weighted according to the % of the eligible physician population that a particular program accounts for within that specialty (number of alumni divided by total eligible within the specialty).

If you were trying to come up with some sort of a list of the top programs in a particular field, how would you go about it? A ranking list is nothing but a survey, a popularity contest. That's all a F&@$ing rank list can be. I respect anyone who goes beyond determining program quality by your apparent criteria...

By interviewing at top programs and talking to other top applicants, none of which applied to Cleveland Clinic. Cleveland clinic's internal medicine residency is not very well respected either

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You're the mod, let us know what you're seeing as unprofessional. Because I guarantee that nobody thinks it's their own posts that are such.

I don't see anything in particular as unprofessional but I am seeing the thread turning a direction I'd rather not see it turn.




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I don't see anything in particular as unprofessional but I am seeing the thread turning a direction I'd rather not see it turn.




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Well I would like to see it stay on track too, but certain folks have a hard time doing that when there are other people's accomplishments to belittle.

preventative modding? This guy is going to be some heck of a doctor!

I agree (dead serious Altered!)
 
I don't see anything in particular as unprofessional but I am seeing the thread turning a direction I'd rather not see it turn.




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Such a good D.O. student...looking at the forum as a whole. So much better than those M.D. mods... 😉


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Well I would like to see it stay on track too, but certain folks have a hard time doing that when there are other people's accomplishments to belittle.



I agree (dead serious Altered!)

I understand that and that's why I had to say something. The best thing one can do keep this match list thread a match list thread is use the ignore feature for users you wish to ignore.


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I don't see anything in particular as unprofessional but I am seeing the thread turning a direction I'd rather not see it turn.
preventative modding? This guy is going to be some heck of a doctor!
@AlteredScale very osteopathic of you!

....Still waiting on that RowanSOM list cough!---cough!. I have a friend on the adcom, but idk if there's a released list yet. All they told me is it was a 99 -100% match with a couple people doing something irregular. Things like pursuing multi-million $ medical device business deals.
 
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Reading is hard, isn't it?

I'll help you out and highlight the important parts:







If you were trying to come up with some sort of a list of the top programs in a particular field, how would you go about it? A ranking list is nothing but a survey, a popularity contest. That's all a F&@$ing rank list can be. I respect anyone who goes beyond determining program quality by your apparent criteria...



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You didn't highlight anything, just copy pasted basically the entire thing. The survey is obviously biased as everyone voted for themselves. It's not exactly objective whereas usnews uses raw numbers like research funding in their methodology. Not sure which part of that is confusing to you or why it is so important to defend a meaningless ranking system. Prestige doesn't even matter in your specialty although you seem very caught up by it. You don't see harvard people going around, trying their best to convince everyone how awesome they are because of their ivy leagueness

Also what is this about rank lists? No one goes around asking random people about their rank lists. For one, that would be a weirdo thing to do although I can see how it would cross your mind. They are also biased by people's desires such as geographical preferences and other factors like a significant other's wishes. But a program that is filled with dos and imgs is not a top program. I know this is the osteopathic section and my intention is not to offend but that's a huge red flag
 
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You didn't highlight anything, just copy pasted basically the entire thing. The survey is obviously biased as everyone would just vote for themselves. Not sure which part of that is confusing to you or why it is so important to defend a meaningless ranking system. Prestige doesn't even matter in your specialty although you seem very caught up by it. You don't see the harvard people going around, trying their best to convince everyone how awesome they are
Not true. SLC parades around here trying his best to convince us how awesome he is because he is a FM resident at an Ivy.
 
You didn't highlight anything, just copy pasted basically the entire thing. The survey is obviously biased as everyone voted for themselves.

When I said highlight, I didn't mean I was literally going to put the text in highlights. I can go back and edit it to add that if you think it would help you read it though.

As for the bolded part, if you read the methodology, they control for people voting for themselves. Plus they ask people to rank the 5 top programs, not many folks have gone through 5 programs in their respective field.


It's not exactly objective whereas usnews uses raw numbers like research funding in their methodology. Not sure which part of that is confusing to you or why it is so important to defend a meaningless ranking system.

Again, it's clear that you haven't actually read anything about the methodology because you'd know that research, both in the form of h-index of alumni publications, as well as research funding, was a major part of the ranking system.

Prestige doesn't even matter in your specialty although you seem very caught up by it. You don't see harvard people going around, trying their best to convince everyone how awesome they are because of their ivy leagueness.

You seem very fixated on whatever it is you think I said in that other thread. I'm not sure why you let it get your jimmies so rustled. But I am proud of my program, it's an excellent place and I'm fortunate to be here. I mentioned it was one of the Ivy League programs because guess what, it is... You can make what you want of that (goodness knows you're going to anyway) but I suggest you lay off assuming I mentioned that to try to convince you of how awesome we are. You seem so insecure, most people wouldn't be offended by such a comment.

Also what is this about rank lists? No one goes around asking random people about their match lists. For one, that would be a weirdo thing to do although I can see how it would cross your mind. They are also biased by people's desires such as geographical preferences and other factors like a significant other's wishes.

That's what those of us in the Osteopathic thread (who aren't busy trying to knock everyone else down a peg) have been saying all along. It's you and a few of the other mascots we have around here who seem intent on incessantly pointing out how un-remarkable people's matches are.

But a program that is filled with dos and imgs is not a top program. I know this is the osteopathic section and my intention is not to offend but that's a huge red flag

Yeah, it's me who's got the ego problem. Between this and the "I know CCF isn't a good program because I have interviewed at good programs and myself and the other "top applicants" talked about it" comments you're really showing us how un-douchey you are. Get over yourself Psai. If I were you, I'd head back over to Allo where you won't have to slum it with any Osteopaths. Why are you even here?
 
You can nominate up to 5 programs (meaning you can nominate just one). Also, I don't trust any of their data as none of the numbers that I heard from programs during interviews jived with the numbers that doximity posts.

I meant rank lists but context clues are hard, I agree

But in any case I'm out, gotta go soap up
 
Yeah, it's me who's got the ego problem. Between this and the "I know CCF isn't a good program because I have interviewed at good programs and myself and the other "top applicants" talked about it" comments you're really showing us how un-douchey you are. Get over yourself Psai. If I were you, I'd head back over to Allo where you won't have to slum it with any Osteopaths. Why are you even here?

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You can nominate up to 5 programs (meaning you can nominate just one). Also, I don't trust any of their data as none of the numbers that I heard from programs during interviews jived with the numbers that doximity posts.

I meant rank lists but context clues are hard, I agree

But in any case I'm out, gotta go soap up
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+1 and rad Onc at Hofstra. All that talk about the gen surg program at Mercy in Des Moines seems to be over blown. Two from that class matched there. That means at least half of their pgy-1 next year will be DOs at least.
I'm glad that argument against the merger can finally be retired. That was everyone's go to card to pull.


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I'll admit I was one of those people who pulled that card, and am glad I am wrong. I have a feeling that the program's DOs might have been in an uproar with all the MDs that matched and this might have done something.

Well I'll give a holler to these awesome matches as well:

Derm at UMass
PM&R at Mayo
Rad Onc Hofstra (this is the 4th DO rad onc match!)

Probably other awesome ones as well.
 
Just for clarification, every two lines on the sheet refers to one person since some ppl may be doing their pgy1 in a diff loc than where they do their main residency. So there just one matching at mercy.
 
I'll admit I was one of those people who pulled that card, and am glad I am wrong. I have a feeling that the program's DOs might have been in an uproar with all the MDs that matched and this might have done something.

Well I'll give a holler to these awesome matches as well:

Derm at UMass
PM&R at Mayo
Rad Onc Hofstra (this is the 4th DO rad onc match!)

Probably other awesome ones as well.

Along with PM&R at Montefiore, Vandy, NYP, Mt. Sinai/Icahn, and Columbia-Cornell
Diagnostic radiology at Icahn SOM at Mt. Sinai, NY and Yale!
IM at Icahn SOM at Beth Israel, NY (is this a highly coveted program?)
General Surg at Montefiore! (and wow that's a lot of general surg matches...)
 
Along with PM&R at Montefiore, Vandy, NYP, Mt. Sinai/Icahn, and Columbia-Cornell
Diagnostic radiology at Icahn SOM at Mt. Sinai, NY and Yale!
IM at Icahn SOM at Beth Israel, NY (is this a highly coveted program?)
General Surg at Montefiore! (and wow that's a lot of general surg matches...)

Icahn SOM Beth Israel is a good program, they have 1-3 DOs.

The main hospital (IcahnSOM University Hospital) is the one that doesnt take DOs.

But its still a great match.


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I'm glad that argument against the merger can finally be retired. That was everyone's go to card to pull.


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50% is a lot less than 100%
 
50% is a lot less than 100%
But it's more than 0%. It just shows that post switch to ACGME they were considering more than just DOs and now we see that they didn't flip completely to MDs. It probably has to do with the quality of applicant that rotates through. They pick the people they like regardless of the letters


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Along with PM&R at Montefiore, Vandy, NYP, Mt. Sinai/Icahn, and Columbia-Cornell
Diagnostic radiology at Icahn SOM at Mt. Sinai, NY and Yale!
IM at Icahn SOM at Beth Israel, NY (is this a highly coveted program?)
General Surg at Montefiore! (and wow that's a lot of general surg matches...)

From what I have seen in the speciality forums, some of those matches are mid-tier or so. It is pretty amazing to see DOs get into these places since it is assumed that they only have a realistic shot at low tier programs. I am still under the belief that for a highly qualified DO students even getting into mid-tier academic residency can be a realistic goal for a large chunk of residences. Some of these lists are showing this.
 
But it's more than 0%. It just shows that post switch to ACGME they were considering more than just DOs and now we see that they didn't flip completely to MDs. It probably has to do with the quality of applicant that rotates through. They pick the people they like regardless of the letters


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But the problem is it is still a loss for people who want those competitive fields. Even if it is only one MD getting in that is still one less DO than before the merger. Also I think it is impossible to accurately gauge how programs pick applicants unless we can see their rank lists. It could be that they ranked all the MDs first but some preferred to go to other programs so they dropped to the DOs. I am not saying this is what happened just that it is possible.
 
I'm basing my opinion on talking to gen surg residents there. We go to M&M at mercy and their residents talk to our SOSA members all the time


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Must've scored a 325 on Step 1.

But in all seriousness, pretty awesome.

Edit: apparently did a Clinical Research Fellowship last year with the same program. Didn't match last year (?), and took the route to get a foot in the door, I guess. Persistence pays off.

I said it on a previous page. He decided to do a research year. The program director previously told him that they loved him on the rotation, but they don't take DOs, but he should do a research year and see what happens. He didn't apply for the match last year. Clearly it worked out for him!

I have no clue how common it is on the MD side, but I've definitely heard of people doing that. I actually didn't graduate in 4 years and took a risk and took an unconventional path to residency. I have no regrets! Big risk, big reward 🙂
 
I didn't say Utah is the strongest, but it is one of the top 25% programs out there. I'm sorry but that's just the truth. And they don't even allow DO's to rotate with them, or in any of the local Salt Lake City hospitals that have affiliation. I'm sure the guy they took is a strong applicant, I'm just amazed they even looked at him.

Utah as an institution is about as anti DO as thy come. I can count on one hand the number of DO's I've seen in UofU residency programs in the past 10 years. Even Family Medicine rarely if ever matches a DO.

Apart from Harbor UCLA which is a legitimate top 10 program, Utah is probably the second strongest EM program I've seen a DO match at.

I know you have much love for your home state and the UofU, but their EM program is certainly not anywhere near the top 25% of EM programs. They are still a relatively new program, have a healthy and homogeneous population, are not their own department within the university, and they lack the diversity of fellowship opportunities that are more commonly associated with a program in the "top 25%".

It is definitely a good program in a great part of the country that will train its residents well, but just because they historically do not take DOs does not make them as good as you may perceive. I would argue that many other matches by DOs in the past would be "stronger" than the DO match at Utah (the already mentioned UCLA-Harbor, USC-LAC, Alameda, IU, Hennepin, Denver, etc), although kudos to him for breaking new ground.
 
For what it's worth, a student from AZCOM matched into anesthesia at Utah this year. I don't think he's the first DO there and that's one of the more DO friendly specialties, but I think it's still worth a nice round of applause.
 
For what it's worth, a student from AZCOM matched into anesthesia at Utah this year. I don't think he's the first DO there and that's one of the more DO friendly specialties, but I think it's still worth a nice round of applause.
nurWollen is from azcom? well this was unexpected
 
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