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any lists from DMU or KCOM?
anyone see the guy who matched hopkins gas? look at the response under "first choice?"
any lists from DMU or KCOM?
Here it is.
How does not being published affect your admissions? Does it depend on whether the program is research heavy or not?
Here it is.
any lists from DMU or KCOM?
Don't they have to if they want to practice in PA?
49 of 249 grads only matched in internships?
PCOM doesn't always have an impressive match list.
49 of 249 grads only matched in internships?
2009 - 30, 2010 - ~20, 2011 - 25
49 of 249 grads only matched in internships?
Most of the AOA residencies are combined internships, the number of people matched to an internship will have to reapply through ERAS for next years match (and most of those people are going for AMA residencies). In my opinion the less people that match to a traditional internship and the more that match to a residency program the better the match, its not a bad thing. I think PCOM had a pretty strong match considering all of the competitive residencies matched into. they matched anesthesia at HUP, 4 into neurosurgery, 2 in Optho, 1 in ENT, etc. those are pretty strong for a D.O school.2009 - 30, 2010 - ~20, 2011 - 25
It was a rough match this year, I guess
PCOM doesn't always have an impressive match list.
Ya i agree. Nothing too impressive for a DO school. 4 anesthesiology at good hospital. IM - Columbia and UCLA-Harbor is pretty good though. 4 neurosurg (AOA though).
Ya i agree. Nothing too impressive for a DO school. 4 anesthesiology at good hospital. IM - Columbia and UCLA-Harbor is pretty good though. 4 neurosurg (AOA though).
That's not the Columbia you think it is ...
That's not the Columbia you think it is and UCLA-Harbor isn't a very good IM match. I've never really heard anything great about Temple anesthesia either
I think you guys should be careful reading too much into match lists. For example, in my class, we have a guy who got >270 on his USMLE. Doing DO Emergency Med in a location that worked for his family. It won't look impressive, but that's what he wanted.
I've got 2 close friends, top of the class, USMLE's >230, doing Pediatrics back in their hometowns (at decent MD institutions, but nothing that would make pre-meds go "wow"). Why? They love peds and they love their home.
I myself am doing psych back in MY hometown. A decent place, but again, nothing extremely impressive. Add all this up, and you have a match list that seems kind of "meh."
In reality, almost everyone I know got their #1 choice. THAT's the REAL info you want from a match list. What % of students got their #1, 2, 3, etc choice?
Certainly peruse the match lists. I think they're interesting. But be careful in thinking you can determine how "good" or "bad" a school might be based on where people match, and in what specialty.
Also, a lot of the people doing TY's are often really doing other things. We have a guy in my class listed at TY who is doing DO derm. A bunch of TY's go on to radiology. A few TY's just didn't know what they wanted to do and want more time to figure it out. Also a valid reason. Don't read too much into it.
9 matches in ortho surgery as well as 9 in general surgery is pretty impressive imo.
All Ortho matches are AOA and 5 of the 9 matches are PCOM taking its own students
Eight of the nine Gen Surg matches are AOA and 5 of those are PCOM taking its own students. The only ACGME Gen Surg match is at a community hospital affiliate of UPMC.
Impressive? Not so much.
This isn't 100% updated, someone matched radiology.I'm aware. If you look at the list, no one matched radiology. Begs the questions... was there no interest out of 250+ students? Did no one match but want to?
There's always a few heavy hitters in the list but your jaw never hits the floor. But it doesn't have to. As long as you're happy, who cares?
Maybe if PCOM wasn't so regionally biased, they could get some better students, lol. Let me in, PCOM!The reason for those 49 Internships was that a TON of students had to scramble. PCOMs matchlist isn't that impressive. Pretty average for a DO school, with a few amazing matches thrown in out of a class of 260 some odd students. This also makes sense, because 2012 had not done well on the boards at all.
I would say about 50-75 very competitive students. About 100 average and the rest below par.
Again, if every single one of those was their #1 choice, I'd call it VERY impressive.
Not everyone WANTS to go to Hopkins. I didn't even apply. Not because I didn't think I'd get in, but because you couldn't pay me enough to live in Baltimore or work in that atmosphere.
It's probably futile, but again I'll say that you shouldn't assume too much from match lists. Having been through the process I can tell you that matching is an interesting game, and how it turns out is VERY dependent on your personal choices, not so much on your school.
Top 3 % is a meaningless statistic as well.I hear you, I have always thought these match list should post % of people who matched in their top three. You can get this data but you have to ask the school. That is the only number that really matters, big name uni matches have the wow factor but don't really mean anything. These lists are neat to look at but realistically have very little valuable info.
All Ortho matches are AOA and 5 of the 9 matches are PCOM taking its own students
Eight of the nine Gen Surg matches are AOA and 5 of those are PCOM taking its own students. The only ACGME Gen Surg match is at a community hospital affiliate of UPMC.
Impressive? Not so much.
Ortho is hard to get no matter what match you go into. Don't be a hater, be happy for others that they matched. ACGME world is heavily biased in the surgical field, even if you have better numbers they just will not take a DO. AOA or ACGME don't matter at the end of the day both of you will be working side by side. Go where you will be happy, remember residency is long.
Not a hater at all. If they're happy, I'm happy for them.
Just pointing out that it is not "impressive" for 5 PCOM grads to match ortho at PCOM. As someone else pointed out above, PCOM has a definite tendency to favor its own grads. There occasionally are impressive matches from DO schools . But 5 PCOM'ers matching ortho at PCOM doesn't fall into that category.
I don't buy into the "at the end of the day AOA v ACGME doesn't matter" line. It may or may not, depending on specialty. I won't be working "side by side" with a graduate of a AOA gas program anytime in my lifetime.
There are other examples, but if I keep going you'll start calling me a hater again.
Carry on with your examples, do not be worried about any hatred.
I don't think he literally meant that you would be working "side by side". In the end, though, you will be working in the same specialty and making the same amount of money. Yes, there are some things like academia or research that you will be at a disadvantage qualifying for, but only the minority of ACGME grads will be doing that.I'm a resident at a large academic medical center. Name a specialty ... any specialty. I can state with virtual certainty that you will not find a single AOA trained doc in any of them. We have DOs in several specialties, but they're all ACGME trained.
So when desjigga says AOA v. ACGME doesn't matter, because we'll all be working "side by side," I respectfully disagree. I doubt that I'll ever be working "side by side" with an AOA trained doc.
I'm a resident at a large academic medical center. Name a specialty ... any specialty. I can state with virtual certainty that you will not find a single AOA trained doc in any of them. We have DOs in several specialties, but they're all ACGME trained.
So when desjigga says AOA v. ACGME doesn't matter, because we'll all be working "side by side," I respectfully disagree. I doubt that I'll ever be working "side by side" with an AOA trained doc.
I'm a resident at a large academic medical center. Name a specialty ... any specialty. I can state with virtual certainty that you will not find a single AOA trained doc in any of them. We have DOs in several specialties, but they're all ACGME trained.
So when desjigga says AOA v. ACGME doesn't matter, because we'll all be working "side by side," I respectfully disagree. I doubt that I'll ever be working "side by side" with an AOA trained doc.
To say you will NEVER be working side-by-side with AOA trained guys is a very ignorant statement.
Progressively the profession has seen its fair share of naysayers and has overcome...
Good Day.
Here are 3 AOA residency trained physicians who are literally working "side by side" with their ACGME residency trained counterparts at Duke University Healthcare. One as a Neurologist, another as an Orthopedic surgeon, and then one as a family practitioner.
The Neurologist was trained at Botsford.
http://www.dukehealth.org/physicians/melissa_w_quan
The Orthopedic surgeon was trained at a PCOM ortho residency.
http://www.dukehealth.org/physicians/scott_l_buckel
The Family practitioner was trained at UMDNJ-Our Lady of the Lordes.
http://www.dukehealth.org/physicians/tiffany_n_lowe_payne
I believe he was speaking from the position of Anesthesia, for which I would agree, as well as Rads, the AOA programs are of considerably lower reputation. *edit*(Or not, saw that he said ANY specialty so there goes that argument)
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I thought you had better reading comprehension skills than butterbeansucks until I saw your edit. I was talking about MY institution. Not Duke, not Columbia-Presbyterian, not Johns Hopkins, or anywhere else. MY institution.
K, I largely agree with you. I'm basing my comments off of what you said, and I understand your point, though your wording is a bit confusing in that you were stressing at your institution only. I am 100% afraid of the future of my career as an AOA-trained EM. A place at a well-known academic center is definitely a rarity, which is why I'm going to an ACGME residency. I'd love to come back and be PD at an AOA place, but there's no way they're going to allow it.
I thought you had better reading comprehension skills than butterbeansucks until I saw your edit. I was talking about MY institution. Not Duke, not Columbia-Presbyterian, not Johns Hopkins, or anywhere else. MY institution.
I don't buy into the "at the end of the day AOA v ACGME doesn't matter" line. It may or may not, depending on specialty. I won't be working "side by side" with a graduate of a AOA gas program anytime in my lifetime.
K, I largely agree with you. I'm basing my comments off of what you said, and I understand your point, though your wording is a bit confusing in that you were stressing at your institution only. I am 100% afraid of the future of my career as an AOA-trained EM. A place at a well-known academic center is definitely a rarity, which is why I'm going to an ACGME residency. I'd love to come back and be PD at an AOA place, but there's no way they're going to allow it.