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I'm sure some of u have started interviewing at places the you feel are less than ideal....just wanted to see what the opinions where about matching at what you think is a less attractive program versus going unmatched...

stephanie can you comment on your speculation of the job market (int the northeast)for those comming out of the "bottom tier" programs...?
 
hmm well. let me qualify first.

While some may not want to admit it, no one has a good sence of this. I know people who are supposed to be "in the know" on the committees etc etc. and i can tell you that every year its not until interview season gets into full swing does anyone seem to really know what is what. Add to the infamous sunshine reports that predicted a derth of jobs a few years ago only to find, Oop woop no! too many! not enough people coming out! And you'll see the folly of anyone taking too strong a stand. if you want my sence, which is nothing mroe than common sence and no pretence into any special insight, i would say that jobs will continue to be there. certainly private practice which continues to put a premium in people of good character and competant ability to attract patients and refering docs. Id say no worries there. in academia, there will still be good jobs but with more MD/PHDs graduating who are simply more likely to go into academics (hardly a sure thing I might add and i know PLENTY who dont) and often these are the folks from "high tier" programs, we might see the academic jobs a little stuffed for a few years to come. Still I wouldnt make any career decisions based on this personally. I will be frank: Im a good doctor. Im not the genius I see around me in residency currently. I have excellent clinical sence and excellect relationships with patients, staff and requesting docs. This is what has let me do well. there will always be places for like kind in academics too I believe. Frankly do something productive in residency and your fine. Obviously "high tier" programs tend to be so because theya re major centers that do research so the resources and mentoring are there. but dont count anyone out. how's that for a waffel?
stephanie can you comment on your speculation of the job market (int the northeast)for those comming out of the "bottom tier" programs...?
 
I know it seems very important, but I'm starting to feel that it doesn't matter as much as the concern expressed on this board. I agree that the training varies, but this field involves a lot of self study, so if you are at a place this is 'low-tier' you can make up a lot of the deficiencies on your own, I think. WSU/DMC is somewhat lower tier, and two years ago they sent a guy to UFlorida. A former chair at Mayo Scottsdale went to Howard for residency. These are just a few anecdotes, but people from 'low-tier' programs are getting jobs. It may be difficult to get the exact location you want, but you should be able to get a job in a region of your choice.

I think as far as trends of certain programs sending graduates to academic jobs vs. private practice has a lot to do with the individuals. Someone who ends up at Pitt or Loyola just intrinsically is more likely to take a private practice job compared to someone who does their training at Penn or UCSF. It's really hard to get a handle on this because the n=1-5, so it's hard to say whether a program has a hard time finding their graduates ideal jobs.

As a person who didn't match initially, I felt strongly and still feel that landing a spot is the hard part. Afterwards, it gets somewhat easier. When I interviewed at the 20 or so programs the last two years, none of the seniors seemed concerned about finding a job. The one concern is that at the weakest programs, there may be some deficiencies if you want to specialize in a specific area (i.e. peds, brachy, SRS) and you may need a fellowship. So, the year you save by matching at a 'low-tier' program may be made up by having to do a fellowship. Not sure how accurate this statement is, though.

-S
 
thanks for both of your insights...
 
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