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>People make case on Archo
>you Make a case for sketchy archo
>you then hedge towards town



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What's the confusion? I explained my thought process. I think I put too much weight on certain things that were townie, and so the strength of the read decreased. Doesn't mean they didn't do townie things, and I don't think they've done anything objectively wolfy yet.
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Shini (2)
- moon 20, Stagg 40
Clem () -
Achro (2) - PSV 21, Zenge 50
Stagg (2)
- Dubz 44, Santy 118
moon (1) - Clem 52
Gikkle (2)
- samac 78, Achro 109

9/13
yeet close in ~7.5 hours
 
tbh after going through Achro's ISO I've started to doubt the TR quite a bit

Buuut I still think they've been >rand townie


I think a big part of what made me initially TR Achro was how they seemed sort of hungry to solve (as seen in the quoted post). Live interacting with Achro felt like they actually wanted to generate content & solve.

Looking at it now I think I put too much weight behind this logic. A high WIM wolf would likely have the exact same energy they had.

This sort of thing happened I believe twice where Achromatic seemed actually interested in the questions they were asking. It's a weak point to TR someone for, but I think it's a good look because often wolves will ask a question and then just never follow up on it, whereas town are actually curious about the topic (which Achro seemed to be). Not at all something wolves can't do, but it was something that caught my eye.

This is another post I felt was townie - calling out someone for not being concerned about them feels weird to do unless it's from a wolf to another wolf (which admittedly it could be because it was directed to moonster here)

but if moonster is town, it just feels weird for W!Achromatic to effectively tell a townie that they need to be more concerned about them.





This back and forth I felt was townie - I think wolves are generally afraid to be caught "sheeping", and for Achromatic to admit to it feels strange to do.

Although interesting to note that Achro didn't end up sheeping anyone, but instead voted mkg because they were the 4th vote on moon's wagon?

This felt like genuine frustration at the time, although tbh it's sort of weird because it just assumes moon's claim is true?

This post from today felt townie to me. Felt like a solid description of what was going on in Achromatic's brain.


In summary, I thought Achro was townie because they seemed genuinely hungry to solve, genuinely interested in the questions they were asking, not afraid to do things that would be risky to do as a wolf (call attention to themselves, claim they were sheeping), and one of their more recent posts seemed like just a straight up town thought process.

A lot of the stuff I TRed them for I think I put a little to much weight into bc I think a high WIM wolf could also do it, and while I think they're play has still been >rand townie, my TR of them has been significantly reduced.

This feels like a post a wolf makes to be town read for nuance ngl friend. I see this really often where people will have a read and instead of being fill throated they dial it back with a lot of analysis. This doesn't feel good to me because I think a town member would just give the notes and then briefly at the end or start say well maybe I overdid it but you felt the need to reinforce your play a lot here. I don't know you so this could just be your brain and God knows I have a wolfy brain too but yeah not the clearing methodology I was hoping for.

But I need a nap so I hope the winds treat you well regardless of rand.

If I haven't expressed a tr today consider me fine murdering them. If I oversleep I politely ask that you don't murder me before I can post again.
 
This feels like a post a wolf makes to be town read for nuance ngl friend. I see this really often where people will have a read and instead of being fill throated they dial it back with a lot of analysis. This doesn't feel good to me because I think a town member would just give the notes and then briefly at the end or start say well maybe I overdid it but you felt the need to reinforce your play a lot here. I don't know you so this could just be your brain and God knows I have a wolfy brain too but yeah not the clearing methodology I was hoping for.

But I need a nap so I hope the winds treat you well regardless of rand.

If I haven't expressed a tr today consider me fine murdering them. If I oversleep I politely ask that you don't murder me before I can post again.
See I agree with this
we can be W/W forever. It’s fine.
 
Alright well.

:eggface:

Unyeet Achromatic

Yeet Gikkle

Contingency Yeet Santygrass tomorrow
 
Okay first off I come from gamefaqs so don't cite Tay Tay at me.
Man, that's a blast from the past. Haven't heard that name drop in a hot decade...

There’s a reason I was shouting for the Motion Detector. No I shall not explain further.
No explanation should be needed. It's still a bad place to fish and definitely doesn't help me see what apparently everyone else is seeing...

I will check myself too, but where did Samac sus Gikkle on D1? I don't recall that at all...
 
I don’t want to see more patients guys.
I only have 4 more Thursdays of direct outpatient care before residency is over.

But I hate it so much
There’s a patient in the lobby with a 9:30 appointment and I don’t want to get her a minute early
😭
Punch her in the face. It'll hurt now but she'll feel better about not having to see you later. Just like good therapy!
Don't really do this, obviously.
 
This feels like a Rojo
 
I'm confused what is happening, was that a slip? I can tell there's inside communication happening but I can't tell what it is lol
 
at least this lets me find you as definite town lol
but I think you're wildly misinterpreting my post
I'm confused what is happening, was that a slip? I can tell there's inside communication happening but I can't tell what it is lol
Yeah I kind of feel like there’s a cat out of the bag issue here that needs to be addressed in some form or another.
 
This patient told me it’s a bad day because she’s going to lose me and now I feel bad for my dread
😢
This is the quote the punch her in the face joke was supposed to go with. Don't punch random patients in the face. Don't punch any patients in the face. That's bad form.
 
Yeah I kind of feel like there’s a cat out of the bag issue here that needs to be addressed in some form or another.
That does read like a slip doesn't it? But who tf uses site PMs for scum chat
 
Hi hello, I have a little bit of time this morning, can someone give me some homework pls?

I've never played mafia on this site, and haven't played mafia in a year. So even though mayo asked me to do her proud, I probably won't (but I will try pls)
Uh, yes you have. You played in the Make Your Own game...
 
Anyways gikkle is probably either slipping or a pr so absent a claim I believe im parking
 
So the one thing that’s been bothering me about achro is the repeated bestowing of village reads on people who sus him, and trying to normalize that as something that happens with his village play, BUT. I gave him a very early TR with basically no basis and haven’t been called out on that. So I’m mildly kerfluffed.
I noted that too. Idk if I'm making more out of it than I should, but it's similar to what Dy said when she most recently wolfed with Zenge where she said I look at the game as everyone is wolf where as she looks at everyone as town and tries to build a town. Achrom's "world building" quotes seem very similar, and I'm not sure if it's just something more common on other sites or if I was actually onto something...
 
I noted that too. Idk if I'm making more out of it than I should, but it's similar to what Dy said when she most recently wolfed with Zenge where she said I look at the game as everyone is wolf where as she looks at everyone as town and tries to build a town. Achrom's "world building" quotes seem very similar, and I'm not sure if it's just something more common on other sites or if I was actually onto something...
It's fairly common on other sites and generally speaking a better strategy outside of a few specialized players
 
Are you often seen as wolfy? It sounds like multiple players see you as wolf rn.
Not only am I seen as wolfy. I am always a wolf. Even when I am a villager. I just have to wear a silly village costume for the sake of making games work. My soul is a dark crimson red.
 
Santy, Samac
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Genny
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Zenge
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Stagg
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Achromatic
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moonstermash
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ShinichiMD
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WildZoo
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potentialsheltervet
marmot
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Clem J



If Moonster flips wolf, Achro becomes a much more likely wolf.
If Moonster is town, Achro is slightly more likely to be town. This may implicate Stagg or Zenge, as the alternative would mean the entire wolf team was inactive day 1, which seems improbable given the Spacecamp kill, since a purely inactive team would likely want to kill in the more consensus town, especially since if moon was really town in such a world, they'd feel confident in actually blocking the doctor (although this is not very deep NKA, and may not hold up under scrutiny).


Final Day 1 Yeet Tally
Zenge (2) - Space 53, Shini 40
mkg (5)
- Stagg 45, Achro 77, samac 122, Gikkle 48, Santy 120
Shini (3) - genny 42, Zenge 95, mkg 39
Clem (1) - moon 56
Stagg (1) - Dubz 58
Gikkle (1) - Clem 21
Achro (1) - PSV 23

Stagg/Achro being S/S seems unlikely given how closely Achro followed Stagg's vote on mkg. Powerwolfing may be possible? But unless the team includes Zenge or Shinichi, it seems unnecessary for them to pile on mkg back to back like they did.

Shini/Zenge both voting each other & being top wagons is interesting - possibly bussing, but they're slightly less likely to be paired I think.

I think some teams that might make sense are

Moonster/Achro/???
Clem/Zenge/???
Stagg/Achro/(Zenge or Shinichi)


There are obviously worlds with S!Moonster without S!Achro, but I feel they are less probable

Vote Clem

I'll place my vote there for now while I give a deeper look into Clem's ISO.
 
Honestly my gut's telling me a spacecamp kill comes from literally just the pool of (clem/zenge/moonster)
 
If I were determining the NK I'd pretty much always kill achro lol
 
Well, that's not true, I'd always kill the doctor claim if they're town

But other than that
 
Then it’s rescinded! 🥚 back in the shell.

😤

Then I’m back to

Unyeet Gikkle

Yeet Achromatic
Is Achromatic an independent push or are you still pushing the samac/achro world?
Also Space was a safe kill in the sense that it was so unexpected. Low likelihood of Moon Doctoring Space
If moon is town they just RB em. No need to worry about doc dodging.
 
If moon is town they just RB em. No need to worry about doc dodging.
Space kill presented inherent value for the wolves I think, given they didn't really have to worry about doc dodging. Which is where I got my clem/zenge/moon pool from.
 
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