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Achromatic said:
In this player list I probably wouldn't allow someone tring me to die. I could get away with killing someone strong and have it chalked up for other reasons while increasing thread control.

I power wolf as wolf and do so successfully most of the time tbh.
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I’m quite parched as it were, so I appreciate the WIFOM
 
I feel like this tastes like villager who is wrong causing a scene rather than a wolf though. Hmm.
 
Santygrass said:
@WildZoo thoughts on Achro and Gikkle atm?
I know you were waiting for Achro to be in thread to expand on some questions/thoughts
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I ****ing
Can't remember what I was going to ask...
Sorry, I'm a lot busier than I expected to be but I'm on lunch now so going to prioritize figuring where my head was at with Achro stuff for a bit
 
Achromatic said:
I feel like this tastes like villager who is wrong causing a scene rather than a wolf though. Hmm.
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Oh I’m sure he’s village.
I’ll blocc him after that.
Wolf zenge I don’t think has the audacity to do that lol
 
Like, for you to say I would kill someone town reading me is itself attempting to start the wifom game. The simplest answer is to look at people the n1 suspected. It doesn't make it correct but by engaging in counter intuitive ideas in is you who begins the discussion of wifom and not I.
 
Achromatic said:
Calling everything wifom is the resort of bad players tbh.
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I’m not calling everything WIFOM

Just statements with the general layout of

“I wouldn’t do XYZ as a wolf. Pinky promise.”
 
It's not a pinky promise. It's simple strategy. I had several people suspecting me day 1. I now have one less town voice defending me today than yesterday and suddenly I am a popular yeet choice.

Luckily for my wolf game I don't make these sort of stupid calculations night one
 
samac said:
Wolf zenge I don’t think has the audacity to do that lol
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I’d say I would but that would be me providing you with WIFOM, and I’m still thirsty so I’m going to keep it, thank you very much 😤
 
It's basically an attempt to be clever on your part. And it honestly leads to more losses than I can count.

You aren't ahead of the curve friend. You are behind it.
 
Gikkle said:
Moonster claimed doc and had to be taken out of my PoE
Space died and flipped town
mkg died and flipped town

my PoE sorta took a beating

Lightly shading? I was casting full on shade on it

I don't trust moonster, but I also didn't trust Clem's response to his claim.

From my perspective clem's play today has been fairly one-dimensional and idk why people are clearing that slot, but I could have some bias from the fact a lot of it has been pushing me

I didn't expect anything from them, it just would have made their claim more believable if they had done a breadcrumb
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Have you had time to re-evaluate?
 
And it's all based on incredibly shoddy logic. Your pairing of me and samac is because we are friendly and tr each other. Is that how wolves usually behave here? Very obviously pairing?
 
Not to be too much of a villain but I am largely phone posting this game so I don't really want to do non real time things a lot. This irks santy who has never seen my wolf game and now we have someone voting me because hey some people kill those that town read them.

My wolf meta would tell you a very different story. I would have probably thrown santy off a cliff n1 or simply killed moon as it eliminates someone with experience with me and keeps the game pretty status quo

This isn't a trust me bro it's common sense to, after a successful day 1, to build on that.

When you ignore sound reasoning and use buzzwords you get misyeets tbh. You should try to improve.
 
(but I still wouldn’t have killed a new guy.
It probably would have been dubz.
Or maybe payback to santy
WIFOM I know)
 
If you have kill meta on samac
And you think we could be paired

Y u voting me

Wheb I flip town will you just to I guess samac was pocketing achro and vote samac next???
 
Me waiting on Gilles re-evaluation of his reads:

No Way Wow GIF by This GIF Is Haunted
 
Achromatic said:
If you have kill meta on samac
And you think we could be paired

Y u voting me

Wheb I flip town will you just to I guess samac was pocketing achro and vote samac next???
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I think I know why.
But imma keep my mouth shut
 
Logic tree

If achro scum vote samac next. Paired.
If achro town vote ???

Is samac not the ??? Zenge?

Talk to me
 
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Shini (2) - moon 20, Stagg 40
Clem () -
Achro (2) - PSV 21, Zenge 50
Stagg (1) - Dubz 39
moon (1) - Clem 50
Gikkle (2) - samac 73, Santy 116

8/13
yeet close in ~8 hours
 
Gikkle said:
Moonster claimed doc and had to be taken out of my PoE
Space died and flipped town
mkg died and flipped town

my PoE sorta took a beating
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Here you say moon is out PoE
Gikkle said:
Lightly shading? I was casting full on shade on it

I don't trust moonster, but I also didn't trust Clem's response to his claim.
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But here you state you dont trust them.

So if you still dont trust them, they didnt get 'townier' compared to shinichi tho?


And as for Zenge recent case

I think tonally it hits some notes that makes me recall the W!Zenge walls directed at MKG (oddly that happened two times) , but overall there is more nuance and it tracks with how Zenge was asking questions from before and how their view was formed in general. So I still think this is Town!Zenge. The reassess on Shinichi is also good.

If Zenge is wolfing they are doing one really good game, v different from past times he wolfed against me, so I can accept him into the blocc with genny and samac (to his dismay)


After this I only have 8 posts left, so I will be trying to be more concise and mostly lurking until I get home.

Smh forced to not procatinate at work
 
Animal Midwife said:
Day 2 Yeet Tally
Shini (2) - moon 20, Stagg 40
Clem () -
Achro (2) - PSV 21, Zenge 50
Stagg (1) - Dubz 39
moon (1) - Clem 50
Gikkle (2) - samac 73, Santy 114

8/13
yeet close in ~8 hours
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It would be nice if non voters got vote totals btw
 
Clem whining that I don't listen to them is equal parts untrue and towny
 
Ok I actually think I am almost out of posts. **** I lost track and got too busy back and forth.

Help
 
Yeah I have like 10 left xd

vote: gikkle

pending updated solving. For sure not final just putting it down for the record.

Note if you end up yeeting me I will see you all in villager hell after this game.
 
Gikkle said:
I don't really see W!stagg having the audacity to brag about how good they are at not getting caught in the middle of a scum game where several people are suspecting them lol.
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Lol
 
potentialsheltervet said:
I actually feel like there has been more resistance to Stagg as a wagon than moon. I also haven't been keeping track of votes but idk if I would call them the top two wagons at all, moreso just the most-discussed. I feel like I've seen more caveats about Stagg's playstyle and some surprising defenses (Santy) whereas moon seems to be left on their own. No one has really come out to say actually, I think moon seems alright! Until the end of this page. Either she really is mafia or it's too easy and it's a red herring.
I've only played with her a couple times (or once? idk the number is small) and I honestly don't remember that much other than sussing her early on and being wrong so I'm probably not the best person to judge. That said, I haven't been as eager to yeet based on what's been pointed out. I'm more keen to go after the devil I know, which kinda feels like mkg right now.
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Going to circle back to this sentiment because its kinda what I also felt at EoD.

And today it also feels that between Achro/Gikkle/Stagg , people are looking more and judging more between those two and Stagg apart from Dubz/Samac is not as.. sussed? Idk

This is mostly a gamestate vibe , going to use my vote to maybe change that a bit.
It kinda goes with the paranoia of samac that everyone seems to be fine with the consensus reads for the most part. So maybe Im having skill issue and doing the pushes for scum while they are 'hmm yes santy yes' and boosting the wrong pushes that Im considering


The other fact is that from my bottom 4 this game, Stagg is the only SDNer. Moon, Achro, Gikkle are unknowns to most of the playerlist so maybe a bit.. easier to have bad judgement with them. So thats on my mind irking me a bit.

Hopefully now people talk and talk and make figuring out the best yeet today easier.

Unyeet Gikkle
Yeet Stagg
 
Alright well now I have this...thing to ruminate on with Zenge's achro/samac pairing. I am...not seeing it. Like samac said, I have also figured out village reads and sheeped them d1. Or not even actually village reads, but just sheeped someone who I was interested in sheeping to see what they did, or to see if they were right. So samac's response to that didn't feel off to me? Like no one has ever really come at me for sheeping Zenge d1 or whatever iirc.

Achro separately has a lot more posts now and I'm running out of time, but @Achromatic could you point me to where (if you have) talked about 1) your primary suspects today and 2) your thoughts on the d1 wagons pre- and post- moon reveal?
 
tbh after going through Achro's ISO I've started to doubt the TR quite a bit

Buuut I still think they've been >rand townie

Achromatic said:
This game is deader than me in ten years.

Jesus I am going to have to talk to myself to get 40 posts.

Someone interact with me please.
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I think a big part of what made me initially TR Achro was how they seemed sort of hungry to solve (as seen in the quoted post). Live interacting with Achro felt like they actually wanted to generate content & solve.

Looking at it now I think I put too much weight behind this logic. A high WIM wolf would likely have the exact same energy they had.
Achromatic said:
Spacecamp please respond to my question about your gikkle suspicion I don't follow
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This sort of thing happened I believe twice where Achromatic seemed actually interested in the questions they were asking. It's a weak point to TR someone for, but I think it's a good look because often wolves will ask a question and then just never follow up on it, whereas town are actually curious about the topic (which Achro seemed to be). Not at all something wolves can't do, but it was something that caught my eye.
Achromatic said:
I just would have expected you to interact with me more. You are aware of my scum game but I haven't felt like you've been too concerned with me.
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This is another post I felt was townie - calling out someone for not being concerned about them feels weird to do unless it's from a wolf to another wolf (which admittedly it could be because it was directed to moonster here)

but if moonster is town, it just feels weird for W!Achromatic to effectively tell a townie that they need to be more concerned about them.
Achromatic said:
I would probably just sheep someone and see where the day takes me.

I'm more concerned with world building early rather than having multiple strong scum reads
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Achromatic said:
That is incorrect.

What I am saying is if people I am townreading hold firm that I should be generous with my rope with you then, me not having any strong scum reads atm, would defer to my town reads and live in their world for the day and pursue their agenda to see if it benefitted the town or not. One of the lovely things about being town is I can choose to work with others and to validate them and see if they have a good idea or not. It's a secondary method of solving but it is still solving.
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Achromatic said:
What is the proposed scum angle for me taking this approach?
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Achromatic said:
Why would I say that? I made a willing decision to sheep someone. That being my decision means I have no right to shy away from accountability.

I am afraid your scum angle is beneath my scum range. If I wanted to choke the life out of a villager I knew was town I promise I would do it gleefully friend.
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Achromatic said:
Also nothing in my posts said I didn't understand a scum angle. I wanted to know what yours was.

I feel like I had a conversation. Very similar to this in a game recently. I need to remember if it was with town or with a wolf.
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This back and forth I felt was townie - I think wolves are generally afraid to be caught "sheeping", and for Achromatic to admit to it feels strange to do.

Although interesting to note that Achro didn't end up sheeping anyone, but instead voted mkg because they were the 4th vote on moon's wagon?
Achromatic said:
I am a little annoyed at how much I mistake prs for scum tbh.

I thought I had something cool here
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This felt like genuine frustration at the time, although tbh it's sort of weird because it just assumes moon's claim is true?
Achromatic said:
Basically mafia is a puzzle to me. Moon being a doctor fits into what I was seeing yesterday that I ascribed to a scum rand so I reset my suspicion of moon based off of that. It's not like they are confirmed town to me or anything, but that puzzle piece was given an explanation that checks out from my experience so I begin again feeling roughly neutral on Moon socially and now needing a more fleshed out world to want to pierce a protection claim early game.

It's not complicated fmpov.
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This post from today felt townie to me. Felt like a solid description of what was going on in Achromatic's brain.


In summary, I thought Achro was townie because they seemed genuinely hungry to solve, genuinely interested in the questions they were asking, not afraid to do things that would be risky to do as a wolf (call attention to themselves, claim they were sheeping), and one of their more recent posts seemed like just a straight up town thought process.

A lot of the stuff I TRed them for I think I put a little to much weight into bc I think a high WIM wolf could also do it, and while I think they're play has still been >rand townie, my TR of them has been significantly reduced.
 
I have spent most of the day since I logged on waiting on gikkle to do something and I haven't done much wagon analysis since I haven't felt like digging into things. I got some fun real time in though so that was nice.

Wheb I am in unfamiliar waters I like to stick to towncoring and going from there tbh. I know like 3 people this game so I've mostly been doing that.
 
Gikkle said:
tbh after going through Achro's ISO I've started to doubt the TR quite a bit

Buuut I still think they've been >rand townie


I think a big part of what made me initially TR Achro was how they seemed sort of hungry to solve (as seen in the quoted post). Live interacting with Achro felt like they actually wanted to generate content & solve.

Looking at it now I think I put too much weight behind this logic. A high WIM wolf would likely have the exact same energy they had.

This sort of thing happened I believe twice where Achromatic seemed actually interested in the questions they were asking. It's a weak point to TR someone for, but I think it's a good look because often wolves will ask a question and then just never follow up on it, whereas town are actually curious about the topic (which Achro seemed to be). Not at all something wolves can't do, but it was something that caught my eye.

This is another post I felt was townie - calling out someone for not being concerned about them feels weird to do unless it's from a wolf to another wolf (which admittedly it could be because it was directed to moonster here)

but if moonster is town, it just feels weird for W!Achromatic to effectively tell a townie that they need to be more concerned about them.





This back and forth I felt was townie - I think wolves are generally afraid to be caught "sheeping", and for Achromatic to admit to it feels strange to do.

Although interesting to note that Achro didn't end up sheeping anyone, but instead voted mkg because they were the 4th vote on moon's wagon?

This felt like genuine frustration at the time, although tbh it's sort of weird because it just assumes moon's claim is true?

This post from today felt townie to me. Felt like a solid description of what was going on in Achromatic's brain.


In summary, I thought Achro was townie because they seemed genuinely hungry to solve, genuinely interested in the questions they were asking, not afraid to do things that would be risky to do as a wolf (call attention to themselves, claim they were sheeping), and one of their more recent posts seemed like just a straight up town thought process.

A lot of the stuff I TRed them for I think I put a little to much weight into bc I think a high WIM wolf could also do it, and while I think they're play has still been >rand townie, my TR of them has been significantly reduced.
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>People make case on Archo
>you Make a case for sketchy archo
>you then hedge towards town



Awkward Season 1 GIF by Nanalan'
 
samac said:
Have you had time to re-evaluate?
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No, hardly had time to do much at all

plus i've been stuck on my phone and only recently was able to get on my laptop, which is really slow so isn't much of an improvement
 
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