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[samac]

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This is the quote the punch her in the face joke was supposed to go with. Don't punch random patients in the face. Don't punch any patients in the face. That's bad form.

it’s been a day of really sweet patients saying how much they’ll miss me and appreciate me and made me think outpatient isn’t all the bad.

One gave me a stuffed gelatinous cube

Spoiler

But it is. It’s evil.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Day 2 Yeet Tally
Shini (2) - moon 20, Stagg 47
Clem (1) - Gikkle 24
Achro (2) - PSV 21, Zenge 61
Stagg (2) - Dubz 44, Santy 118
moon () -
Gikkle (3) - samac 88, Achro 110, Clem 64

10/13
yeet close in ~5.5 hours

 

[Clem J]

Gikkle 24

Outed smh

 

[samac]

So can we all agree gikkle is wolfy as heck

 

[Gikkle]

So can we all agree gikkle is wolfy as heck

I disagree!

(But for real how am I "wolfy as heck"?)

 

[samac]

I disagree!

(But for real how am I "wolfy as heck"?)

Youre reads have been thread consensus
Youre not really pushing anything
The shin circles that are contradictory that they’re too scum read but still likely to flip village
It just all feels very forced

 

[samac]

I want more peoples opinions on Zenges case.

 

[Gikkle]

Youre reads have been thread consensus

My reads have been fairly consistent all game, and I'm pretty sure most of them came about before any kind consensus began to appear lol

Besides, even if they were just "thread consensus", what's wrong with agreeing with consensus? It's not like I'm copying other people's reasoning for my reads lol

Youre not really pushing anything

In what sense? I have a worldview which I've argued for. I may not be pushing any specific individual (well except clem), but it's not like I haven't been solving the game (which I do by PoE, not by pushing nonexistent scumreads, typically.)

The shin circles that are contradictory that they’re too scum read but still likely to flip village

I don't understand the confusion regarding that. I feel like y'all are just making a big deal about me effectively saying "my reads changed".

It just all feels very forced

Idk what you want me to say to that. I've been very upfront about my thoughts so far.

Maybe you feel it's "forced" because it lowkey is? I don't enjoy the early game, bc I'm not good at it. My town games are usually just "survive until I can actually do something I'm confident in"

Which I don't like using as a defense bc it's effectively "trust me bro I get better later on" so I try and play the early game anyways, despite the fact it's very bleh.

 

[Gikkle]

Speaking of clem, they're entire ISO is basically just calling me scum and talking about how it's mathematically correct to kill moonster.

There's nothing else.

How do people TR that, exactly?

 

[Gikkle]

they're

gosh darnit

their*

 

[Gikkle]

@moonstermash can I hear more from you? If you're town, you're dead sometime in the next couple nights. Would be nice to get a solid legacy from you.

 

[Gikkle]

Speaking of clem, they're entire ISO is basically just calling me scum and talking about how it's mathematically correct to kill moonster.

There's nothing else.

How do people TR that, exactly?

@Clem J say I flip wolf. Who are my partners?

 

[Clem J]

@Clem J say I flip wolf. Who are my partners?

Idk I haven't done any associative stuff

 

[Clem J]

I want more peoples opinions on Zenges case.

Is his conclusion that gikkle is mafia? If so then it's a great case, no notes

 

[Clem J]

How do people TR that, exactly?

That's the magic, fam

 

[Stagg737]

I will try and read and be back on before close. I'm on pg 28 but found out today my wife got accepted to grad school, so going out to celebrate and won't be on for a while. Saw there was maybe a rojo from Gikkle but maybe not?

Either way, will probably stay on Shin but think both Shin and Gikkle are good votes and I do think there is a good chance they're paired.

 

[Clem J]

Congrats to your wife!

Also condolences to her

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Yea, I don’t see real game solving and I see them deeply tunneling me with questionable or no basis without looking at much more likely options imo.

I think we'll just need to agree to d on samac not doing real game solving

 

[moonstermash]

Alright, sorry everyone, I was somehow even busier than I thought I'd be since last time I was here, and I'm not caught up. I did at least manage to finish part of the spreadsheet (the D1 running vote count; for SDNers familiar with NateTheLesser, this is his template), and I'm hoping I can whip up the D1 waterfall/piles before EOD. Hopefully there are no errors, but let me know if you see any.

Also, if you're not familiar with this spreadsheet and need help reading it, I can explain, or maybe someone else here can.

Spoiler: 2 images because y'all vote too much smh

 

[potentialsheltervet]

You believen Achro is a wolf and there being a difference check between me/Achro are two very different statements.

Think you just used the term diff check wrong here

Yeah, I think you're right

What's your read of Santy independent of Achro?

I think he is being the most obviously town I have ever seen him be. He's putting a lot of effort into solving and doesn't seem to be trying to buddy or be excessively jovial like I remember from... I can't remember the name of the game, but he was a wolf with AM.
Point is he might be my top village read which is maybe the weirdest thing I've ever said

Psv you have barely interacted with me. If you are town you really need to change your methods of solving if you are fairly confident I am a wolf lol

Eh you haven't given me fulfilling answers when I've interacted with you. I like studying people like they're organisms on slides. I shall solve however I please tbh

 

[moonstermash]

If anyone needs me now or has questions I can answer, let me know, otherwise I'll just start catching up/powering through the rest of the spreadsheet.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

This is a pretty wolfy EOD response from Gikkle. They shaded Nanook for pushing the doc claim, while also lightly shading the doc claim.

Hm. This is a really good point. Town points for marmot tbh

Uh, you didn't play that game. I'm referencing Noobs in Space. Not sure what you're talking about...

I thought you were talking about StardeWW 2 with JJJ since it had just been referenced. My apologies.

 

[samac]

My reads have been fairly consistent all game, and I'm pretty sure most of them came about before any kind consensus began to appear lol

Besides, even if they were just "thread consensus", what's wrong with agreeing with consensus? It's not like I'm copying other people's reasoning for my reads lol

In what sense? I have a worldview which I've argued for. I may not be pushing any specific individual (well except clem), but it's not like I haven't been solving the game (which I do by PoE, not by pushing nonexistent scumreads, typically.)

I don't understand the confusion regarding that. I feel like y'all are just making a big deal about me effectively saying "my reads changed".

Idk what you want me to say to that. I've been very upfront about my thoughts so far.

Maybe you feel it's "forced" because it lowkey is? I don't enjoy the early game, bc I'm not good at it. My town games are usually just "survive until I can actually do something I'm confident in"

Which I don't like using as a defense bc it's effectively "trust me bro I get better later on" so I try and play the early game anyways, despite the fact it's very bleh.

I also have to say it’s hard for me to have a lot of detailed specifics.
I used to do a lot more ISOs and now I mostly just vibe

 

[samac]

@Zenge142 how do you feel about the reaction to your big reveal?

 

[samac]

Speaking of clem, they're entire ISO is basically just calling me scum and talking about how it's mathematically correct to kill moonster.

There's nothing else.

How do people TR that, exactly?

Vibes

 

[samac]

Alright, sorry everyone, I was somehow even busier than I thought I'd be since last time I was here, and I'm not caught up. I did at least manage to finish part of the spreadsheet (the D1 running vote count; for SDNers familiar with NateTheLesser, this is his template), and I'm hoping I can whip up the D1 waterfall/piles before EOD. Hopefully there are no errors, but let me know if you see any.

Also, if you're not familiar with this spreadsheet and need help reading it, I can explain, or maybe someone else here can.

Spoiler: 2 images because y'all vote too much smh

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What do you usually do with this

 

[Zenge142]

@Zenge142 how do you feel about the reaction to your big reveal?

I live for the solve, what village does with it is often out of my hands tbh

 

[WildZoo]

Unyeet Stagg yeet Achro

 

[potentialsheltervet]

SHE’S HOWLING!!!

I'm not convinced of samac's wolfiness but I am definitely convinced of your towniness atp

Also PSV but mostly an “easier push” potential on account of her low attendance record.

I'm trying!!

Zenge is a funny guy tbh

He makes me laugh a lot.

 

[samac]

I live for the solve, what village does with it is often out of my hands tbh

I was waiting for someone to jump on it for the samac misyeet opportunity
The wolves should be salivating at the prospect
Unless it’s you.
But I’m leaving you in the blocc. I don’t think wolf you would do it. You’d try to pocket me.
I think.
Unless your thinking about last game when I ended up wolf reading you
Now I’m going in circles stahp it samac

 

[Gikkle]

Idk I haven't done any associative stuff

@samac do you have an answer?

Who am I paired with if I am a wolf?

 

[Zenge142]

Now I’m going in circles

Like how wolves do little circles before they nap?

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Calling everything wifom is the resort of bad players tbh.

Rude

Me waiting on Gilles re-evaluation of his reads:

It took me a sec to realize this was a typo and not an unknown French player named Gilles

Because I hadn't gotten a chance to talk to you, hence you floated into the POE.

(This is also not a good time to talk to you I'm sure but maybe this evening)

Indeed this evening. Now! hello

I think I’m going into tunnel mode
It feels like a good one tho

On Gikkle?

 

[Gikkle]

Alright, sorry everyone, I was somehow even busier than I thought I'd be since last time I was here, and I'm not caught up. I did at least manage to finish part of the spreadsheet (the D1 running vote count; for SDNers familiar with NateTheLesser, this is his template), and I'm hoping I can whip up the D1 waterfall/piles before EOD. Hopefully there are no errors, but let me know if you see any.

Also, if you're not familiar with this spreadsheet and need help reading it, I can explain, or maybe someone else here can.

Spoiler: 2 images because y'all vote too much smh

View attachment 386498
View attachment 386501

Do you have any actual conclusions from this?

This just looks like IIoA rn

 

[Santygrass]

Maybe you feel it's "forced" because it lowkey is? I don't enjoy the early game, bc I'm not good at it. My town games are usually just "survive until I can actually do something I'm confident in"

Which I don't like using as a defense bc it's effectively "trust me bro I get better later on" so I try and play the early game anyways, despite the fact it's very bleh.

Trouble Im having is that I feel your reads D1 had a lot more nuance and thought that your reads now.

For example, the wall on Achro was all super basic stuff lacking a lot of context.
Like, saying generic stuff of 'hungry to solve' or generally adjectives related to tone stuff which is... Weh.

But for more specific stuff , you saying that their argument/read on moon was a good look because "why a wolf would tell a townie to be cautios of their scum game" . Do you realize that using that same argument they voted them ?????

And just putting the reaction to moon claim as towny also seems bonkers. The whole read just felt like you trying to justify a bad/vague read you had.


Also why dont you have Stagg in the pool of explaining where a space kill comes from?
And why Clem of all people? Do you realize that they've been really consistent with their view since D1 ln you, and just very chilling and open in thread? Its a really agenda-less slot fmpov and dont see really an argument being made by you except 'look they doing nothing!! ' . Which from experience is the most used argument to try to yeet lhf town clem

@Gikkle

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Because I am also confused with how Gikkle's ISO of achro goes "yeah I doubt the TR but probably still rand townie"
considering I believe the point was to build his town case in the first place

 

[moonstermash]

What about mkg's flip made you feel good about Zenge?

It's less that it made me feel better about Zenge and more that it made me feel worse about everyone on mgk's wagon.

The grown ups have probably already addressed this but yes and no. Unlike human med there is no gold standard for vet med so unless it's outlined in the state veterinary practice act, malpractice tends to be... A bit more subjective, I feel?

Interesting. 🤔 And actually, unless I missed something, you're the first person to respond.

 

[Zenge142]

IIoA

Hmm?

 

[samac]

@samac do you have an answer?

Who am I paired with if I am a wolf?

Dunno.
I’m not trying to pair anyone yet unless someone is obviously paired.
You flip wolf I go look for pairs.

 

[samac]

Like how wolves do little circles before they nap?

 

[samac]

Rude

It took me a sec to realize this was a typo and not an unknown French player named Gilles

Indeed this evening. Now! hello

On Gikkle?

Yes

 

[samac]

Trouble Im having is that I feel your reads D1 had a lot more nuance and thought that your reads now.

For example, the wall on Achro was all super basic stuff lacking a lot of context.
Like, saying generic stuff of 'hungry to solve' or generally adjectives related to tone stuff which is... Weh.

But for more specific stuff , you saying that their argument/read on moon was a good look because "why a wolf would tell a townie to be cautios of their scum game" . Do you realize that using that same argument they voted them ?????

And just putting the reaction to moon claim as towny also seems bonkers. The whole read just felt like you trying to justify a bad/vague read you had.


Also why dont you have Stagg in the pool of explaining where a space kill comes from?
And why Clem of all people? Do you realize that they've been really consistent with their view since D1 ln you, and just very chilling and open in thread? Its a really agenda-less slot fmpov and dont see really an argument being made by you except 'look they doing nothing!! ' . Which from experience is the most used argument to try to yeet lhf town clem

@Gikkle

I have never vibed with you this hard without having mechanical info to lean on and this is super nice and cozy

 

[potentialsheltervet]

I will check myself too, but where did Samac sus Gikkle on D1? I don't recall that at all...

it was something about her either adding him to a PoE or disagreeing on him being in someone's townreads

How do people TR that, exactly?

He has a special something about how he's clowning when he's towning

I was waiting for someone to jump on it for the samac misyeet opportunity
The wolves should be salivating at the prospect
Unless it’s you.
But I’m leaving you in the blocc. I don’t think wolf you would do it. You’d try to pocket me.
I think.
Unless your thinking about last game when I ended up wolf reading you
Now I’m going in circles stahp it samac

Well, if you were waiting for someone to jump on the vote wolfily then you've kinda spoiled the chance now, eh?

 

[WildZoo]

Hmm?

Information instead of analysis

 

[WildZoo]

Indeed this evening. Now! hello

Hi! Where's your head at with things rn?

 

[WildZoo]

Achro ignored my request but that's not why I voted him probably

 

[samac]

it was something about her either adding him to a PoE or disagreeing on him being in someone's townreads

He has a special something about how he's clowning when he's towning

Well, if you were waiting for someone to jump on the vote wolfily then you've kinda spoiled the chance now, eh?

IVE GIVEN THEM ALL DAMN DAY IVE BEEN SO EXCITED
AND EVERYONE WAS JUST LIKE “lol no samac village”
Im sorely disappointed.

 

[Santygrass]

@genny I need your presence in thread more please .

So far I think you are having fire reads , but doses are too small 🥺 .


Also @WildZoo elaborate on the vote change pls. You sus Achro more, you dont think Stagg is viable, tie mayhem or what rationale is behing it?

 

[samac]

Achro ignored my request but that's not why I voted him probably

What you thinking

 

[WildZoo]

Patience friends. All in good time.