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Well, I called them to question their decision. The response was "your committment to community service is not as competitive." I figure they missed the part about me founding a community service organization at my school, volunteering at a hospital for the past two years, and participating in other service activities through my religious group. So I asked. "Oh, well...I see that...hm...well you have a 'little' bit of research." Ah, so they missed AGAIN the part about having 2 + years of research experience that won me a national award as well as several campus awards. Oh, wait, I got it "Oh, maybe it's because you didn't SHADOW a doctor."

I didn't shadow a ****ing doctor? In the spirit of being a sore loser, **** you, Mayo.


Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
 
Fun, I'm anticipating that rejection email any day now! Sorry about that, Chris, but I'm sure you'll get into many excellent schools.
 
Chris Benoit said:
Well, I called them to question their decision. The response was "your committment to community service is not as competitive." I figure they missed the part about me founding a community service organization at my school, volunteering at a hospital for the past two years, and participating in other service activities through my religious group. So I asked. "Oh, well...I see that...hm...well you have a 'little' bit of research." Ah, so they missed AGAIN the part about having 2 + years of research experience that won me a national award as well as several campus awards. Oh, wait, I got it "Oh, maybe it's because you didn't SHADOW a doctor."

I didn't shadow a ****ing doctor? In the spirit of being a sore loser, **** you, Mayo.

Looks like they took your money and ran.
Thats pretty lame. Screw you too Mayo
 
Thanks for the comments. Well, I don't want to stray too much into emo territory, so I guess I'll cut it out (my rants). Congrats again to those who got good news, and to the rest of us, good luck elsewhere.
 
Chris Benoit said:
Thanks for the comments. Well, I don't want to stray too much into emo territory, so I guess I'll cut it out (my rants). Congrats again to those who got good news, and to the rest of us, good luck elsewhere.
Were you in-state for Mayo - MN, FL or AZ? Obviously they are looking for a very specific mix in their class, but can't or won't give out the details.
 
Chris Benoit said:
Thanks for the comments. Well, I don't want to stray too much into emo territory, so I guess I'll cut it out (my rants). Congrats again to those who got good news, and to the rest of us, good luck elsewhere.
Hey, Chris- I'll trade you a Mayo phone interview for 3 MCAT points. Seriously, anything above 38 is just wasted anyway, no???
 
I didn't realize how selective Mayo phone interviews are. I couldn't believe I received one either. The only reason in my mind are my EC. Beggers can't be choosers!
 
zach1201 said:
Thanks brotha. All I'm going to do to prep for the interview is just look over the questions and run through the answers in my mind. What stinks is that there isn't any feedback during the interview, but oh well. By the way, approximately how many questions were there and how long were your responses - if you were to venture a guess.

venturing a guess....there were maybe 20 questions? This is what I'm worried about right now. I think my interview only lasted 20 minutes -- some of the questions were strictly yes or no questions, and the other ones, I felt like I answered as much as I needed to. So excluding the time it took for her to explain all the rules (there are a few, such as how I can't ask any questions about the questions, etc), I think I was only at 20ish minutes. In the beginning she kept stressing how the maximum was 30 mins, which made it seem like time would be an issue. Definitely was not for me -- who knows what this means. But alas, there's nothing I can do about it now...
 
Chris Benoit said:
Well, I called them to question their decision. The response was "your committment to community service is not as competitive." I figure they missed the part about me founding a community service organization at my school, volunteering at a hospital for the past two years, and participating in other service activities through my religious group. So I asked. "Oh, well...I see that...hm...well you have a 'little' bit of research." Ah, so they missed AGAIN the part about having 2 + years of research experience that won me a national award as well as several campus awards. Oh, wait, I got it "Oh, maybe it's because you didn't SHADOW a doctor."

I didn't shadow a ****ing doctor? In the spirit of being a sore loser, **** you, Mayo.


Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.

Wow, this is making me reconsider applying to this place. Thanks for the heads up!
 
I'm getting tired of not hearing anything from Mayo.

Either reject me or give me the phone interview... 😡
 
quantummechanic said:
I'm getting tired of not hearing anything from Mayo.

Either reject me or give me the phone interview... 😡


I agree. Waiting at the computer all day for these emails is making my butt flat....
 
lihtris said:
I agree. Waiting at the computer all day for these emails is making my butt flat....

Mine was sent around 0230, and i think I saw someone else mention they got their phone interview invite around that time too. Anyone else receive their notification at different times? Maybe their automailer is set to send around that time.
 
WilliamsF1,
I wouldn't toss out Mayo just like that -- quite a few people in this thread have had good experiences so far.

uvce,
I'm out of state for Mayo (in CA).

notdeadyet,
Well, looks like my score didn't bail me out here.

Severus,
That's how I viewed shadowing...I shadowed a radiologist in high school and I didn't really get much out of it. I figured I'd concentrate my efforts in other areas. "This won't be the first time someone's made a miscalculation"...
 
How long did it take between the time you got the "Fee Received" email and you were either invited or rejected?

I got my 'Fee Received" at about 9am this morning...






Chris Benoit said:
WilliamsF1,
I wouldn't toss out Mayo just like that -- quite a few people in this thread have had good experiences so far.

uvce,
I'm out of state for Mayo (in CA).

notdeadyet,
Well, looks like my score didn't bail me out here.

Severus,
That's how I viewed shadowing...I shadowed a radiologist in high school and I didn't really get much out of it. I figured I'd concentrate my efforts in other areas. "This won't be the first time someone's made a miscalculation"...
 
desout777 said:
How long did it take between the time you got the "Fee Received" email and you were either invited or rejected?

I got my 'Fee Received" at about 9am this morning...


14 days.
 
Chris Benoit said:
WilliamsF1,
I wouldn't toss out Mayo just like that -- quite a few people in this thread have had good experiences so far.

uvce,
I'm out of state for Mayo (in CA).

notdeadyet,
Well, looks like my score didn't bail me out here.

Severus,
That's how I viewed shadowing...I shadowed a radiologist in high school and I didn't really get much out of it. I figured I'd concentrate my efforts in other areas. "This won't be the first time someone's made a miscalculation"...

Hey Chris, I'm an M1 at Mayo. Sorry to hear about the rejection, but I can tell you that extracurriculars, unique experiences etc... are EXTREMELY important to them (Plus its harder to get in out of state). I did a TON of stuff that I loved in undergrad, from years of working in underprivileged communities abroad and developing health education programs, to workin as pt aide, volunteer organizations, three publications in micro lab, tons of shadowing, lots of unique volunteering etc... My volunteer experience was extensive... and although my stats were good (around mayo's averages) BUT they were no where near yours! Anyways, I hope this may provide some insight into the bad news. Their admissions process is unique to say the least and tough to figure out. WIth stats like yours your going to get interviews at ALOT of GREAT schools so I wish the best for you... and don't dwell on the mayo reject because this process is truly a crapshoot.
 
narc said:
Looks like they took your money and ran.
Thats pretty lame. Screw you too Mayo

I've gotta say. THey do an extremely thorough review of apps. They are just handing out alot less phone invites this year than they did last yera (600 last year, around 300 this year).

I've gotta say I love it here... this med school experience is SO different from any other my friends are having a top schools. Med students are a part of the medical team, and the faculty takes so much time to help us in small groups/ one on one, and the administraiton is responsive to our concerns!
Plus having class for six weeks, and then "selectives" to volunteer or shadow or do research for two weeks throughout the year is awesome. Oh and we only have one test a block (one test every six weeks) which is P/F. They are all about being an excellent clinician, early clinical experiences, and low stress (especially the low stress)!

Aside from all this, the most recent board score average was 238. Half the classes scores placed them in the top 1% in the nation and that board score average should be #1 in the nation, at worst top 3.

The theme, I LOVE Mayo, my classmates (who definately know how to have a good time), EVERYTHING and I think only a handful of schools in the nation can provide such an amazing experience... but I am biased🙂
 
The theme, I LOVE Mayo, my classmates (who definately know how to have a good time), EVERYTHING and I think only a handful of schools in the nation can provide such an amazing experience... but I am biased

Isn't it a little mean to be talking about the amazingness of your school when the thread was created by a person who was rejected?
 
owenmichael said:
Hey Chris, I'm an M1 at Mayo. Sorry to hear about the rejection, but I can tell you that extracurriculars, unique experiences etc... are EXTREMELY important to them (Plus its harder to get in out of state). I did a TON of stuff that I loved in undergrad, from years of working in underprivileged communities abroad and developing health education programs, to workin as pt aide, volunteer organizations, three publications in micro lab, tons of shadowing, lots of unique volunteering etc... My volunteer experience was extensive... and although my stats were good (around mayo's averages) BUT they were no where near yours! Anyways, I hope this may provide some insight into the bad news. Their admissions process is unique to say the least and tough to figure out. WIth stats like yours your going to get interviews at ALOT of GREAT schools so I wish the best for you... and don't dwell on the mayo reject because this process is truly a crapshoot.

The problem is that there's really only so much that one can glean from the AMCAS....hence thats why schools do interviews. Its great that Mayo does 2 different types of interviews, and it makes Mayo unique and it makes me feel that Mayo wants to really know that it is getting a great class of students, which is one of the major reasons why I am applying to a school which is located in MN of all places.

However, I feel that I may be rejected by the bad luck (or quick glances over AMCAS) of this crapshoot admissions process. I am coming into this knowing that Mayo is one of my top 5, but I feel belittled by the process which basically selects people seemingly at random.
 
Where are the numbers for the amount of phone interviews Mayo is handing out coming from?
 
Why would there be a difference between "Total Applications Received:" (2,375) and "Total Applications Processed:" (1,359), if it is for the 2006 entering class?
 
Ouch... tough break. ... but I now wish I read this before sending them my money 🙁

Chris Benoit said:
Well, I called them to question their decision. The response was "your committment to community service is not as competitive." I figure they missed the part about me founding a community service organization at my school, volunteering at a hospital for the past two years, and participating in other service activities through my religious group. So I asked. "Oh, well...I see that...hm...well you have a 'little' bit of research." Ah, so they missed AGAIN the part about having 2 + years of research experience that won me a national award as well as several campus awards. Oh, wait, I got it "Oh, maybe it's because you didn't SHADOW a doctor."

I didn't shadow a ****ing doctor? In the spirit of being a sore loser, **** you, Mayo.


Sorry, just had to get that off my chest.
 
owenmichael said:
Plus our two week breaks are partially funded so that we can spend them with friends and family (while volunteering/shadowing of course) in other (more fun) cities or abroad.
Can you expand on this a bit? They support you (i.e. $$$) to visit other places? As in plane fare and hotel or per diem, or ...? 😱 😕
 
I just finished the phone interview-I think it went well and it was not as scary as I thought it would be. The woman who reads the questions was very nice, and she will repeat the question if you need her to. To prepare, I dont think it would be smart to rehearse, but many of the questions were the same as those posted on here so you could run through them in your head. Definately read up about the Mayo Clinic Model of Care on their website. She said they would get back to me about the interview in 2-3 weeks. :luck: :luck:
 
Carlin said:
Isn't it a little mean to be talking about the amazingness of your school when the thread was created by a person who was rejected?

I created this thread and I have a phone interview with Mayo.
 
I created this thread and I have a phone interview with Mayo.

Ack, sorry, I didn't mean you; I meant the person who started the more specific discussion of Mayo's possibly unfair selection criteria.
 
Y_Marker said:
I created this thread and I have a phone interview with Mayo.


Haha, I've been waiting for that response

Anyway, I have my phone interview next week (Tuesday, 8/29)... still kind of nervous even though everyone is saying it's low stress

good luck all
 
i also got the big rejection today...36 MCAT, first in class, research on 3 continents, and the big shaboodle. did you find that calling and asking why they didnt even grant an interview was helpful. were they rude or were they nice?

also, i would be curious to see some of the profiles of those of you who did get an interview
 
ratmanar8 said:
i also got the big rejection today...36 MCAT, first in class, research on 3 continents, and the big shaboodle. did you find that calling and asking why they didnt even grant an interview was helpful. were they rude or were they nice?

also, i would be curious to see some of the profiles of those of you who did get an interview

My profile is in the link below.

As for the calling up medical schools and asking them about why you get rejected, are they willing to do this? Are they generally helpful? This question doesn't pertain to just Mayo but all schools in general.
 
ratmanar8 said:
also, i would be curious to see some of the profiles of those of you who did get an interview
I researched it pretty thoroughly and found that you will not see a very strong stats trend. I've seen folks in recent years with sub-30 MCATs and around 3.5 GPAs get full rides while others with amazing stats not make the interview.

I think they're just very big on public service (the deep, committed telling kind, not the college-club, local-ER, habitat-for-humanity thing) and, something folks haven't mentioned much, an inspired Personal Statement.
 
i still find this frustrating because I volunteered in a hospital in Tanzania summer 05 while working during the day in a malaria research project funded by gates. this summer i worked in malaysia on a medical entomology project which will probably be published. perhaps not enough volunteer work? i did do a mentoring program in the inner city minneapolis among other things. i thought my personal statement was pretty solid, though i did mention my faith as a motivator which might turn off some people but hey, gotta be honest right? o well

i think the term "crap shoot" is the best descriptor term and though i am extremely disappointed at not getting even a phone secondary, i wish all of you who did the best
 
i still find this frustrating because I volunteered in a hospital in Tanzania summer 05 while working during the day in a malaria research project funded by gates. this summer i worked in malaysia on a medical entomology project which will probably be published. perhaps not enough volunteer work? i did do a mentoring program in the inner city minneapolis among other things. i thought my personal statement was pretty solid, though i did mention my faith as a motivator which might turn off some people but hey, gotta be honest right? o well

i think the term "crap shoot" is the best descriptor term and though i am extremely disappointed at not getting even a phone secondary, i wish all of you who did the best


I'm in the same boat as you. Competitive stats, founder of a charity, extensive clinical experience, deloused orphans in sgknsdfistan....rejected pre-phone interview. Oh yeah, and in-state. Spiteful and confused sums it up.
 
I'm in the same boat as you. Competitive stats, founder of a charity, extensive clinical experience, deloused orphans in sgknsdfistan....rejected pre-phone interview. Oh yeah, and in-state. Spiteful and confused sums it up.

as much as we bitch, they do only take 40-odd students a year. Whatever is wrong with our apps, they at least give bad news early and aren't leading people on. I can only hope that no news is good news for now.
 
I'm in the same boat as you. Competitive stats, founder of a charity, extensive clinical experience, deloused orphans in sgknsdfistan....rejected pre-phone interview. Oh yeah, and in-state. Spiteful and confused sums it up.


Woah.. all these new functions are rocking my world.


I'm going to take odds on me getting dinged from Mayo, too. Want to place a bet? 😎


Edit: As an aside, I'm also glad that they now display my post count. Nothing like seeing "6,149" on there to make me feel like a total loser.
 
Anyone phone interviewing this week? :luck:
 
Hey Chris,

First of all, congrats on your seemingly perfect credentials (I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically). If Mayo doesn't want you its there loss. Did you ever consider that maybe they thought you were too qualified. With those numbers and your ECs, you're likely to get into top schools like UCSF and Harvard. Maybe the committee figured that there was no way you'd come to Mayo, if you had to choose it over a top 10 school. I know that some of the middle tier schools in Illinois shy away from giving out interviews to candidates who are super qualified (i.e. 4.0 and 41). Obviously, I don't have concrete proof, but a lot of my in state Illinois friends with great numbers didn't get interviews from certain Illinois school. The reasoning is pretty straight forward. This kid isn't coming to school here when he can get into Stanford, so why waste our time. Just a thought.
 
Hey Chris,

First of all, congrats on your seemingly perfect credentials (I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically). If Mayo doesn't want you its there loss. Did you ever consider that maybe they thought you were too qualified. With those numbers and your ECs, you're likely to get into top schools like UCSF and Harvard. Maybe the committee figured that there was no way you'd come to Mayo, if you had to choose it over a top 10 school. I know that some of the middle tier schools in Illinois shy away from giving out interviews to candidates who are super qualified (i.e. 4.0 and 41). Obviously, I don't have concrete proof, but a lot of my in state Illinois friends with great numbers didn't get interviews from certain Illinois school. The reasoning is pretty straight forward. This kid isn't coming to school here when he can get into Stanford, so why waste our time. Just a thought.

but your entire argument is bull****, as a top school (remember this isn't Southern Illinois U., this is Mayo, the world's largest private practice) Mayo has no reason not to pursue these "overqualified" applicants. all other things equal, a school like Mayo will go for the highest numbers. obviously, they are taking much more into account than numbers so high stats won't necessarily get one past the first screens at Mayo.

Plus I would love to see concrete evidence of a state med school with a nonspecific mission statement (i.e. not particularly focused on primary care/research/underserved populations) reject a resident applicant with high stats simply because of the high stats. These midtier schools really don't care so much about the ratio of acceptances to matriculants as the top schools, and I'm pretty sure they would love to have the high stat students at their schools.
 
but your entire argument is bull****, as a top school (remember this isn't Southern Illinois U., this is Mayo, the world's largest group practice) Mayo has no reason not to pursue these "overqualified" applicants. all other things equal, a school like Mayo will go for the highest numbers. obviously, they are taking much more into account than numbers so high stats won't necessarily get one past the first screens at Mayo.

Plus I would love to see concrete evidence of a state med school with a nonspecific mission statement (i.e. not particularly focused on primary care/research/underserved populations) reject a resident applicant with high stats simply because of the high stats. These midtier schools really don't care so much about the ratio of acceptances to matriculants as the top schools, and I'm pretty sure they would love to have the high stat students at their schools.

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Hey Chris,

First of all, congrats on your seemingly perfect credentials (I mean that sincerely, not sarcastically). If Mayo doesn't want you its there loss. Did you ever consider that maybe they thought you were too qualified. With those numbers and your ECs, you're likely to get into top schools like UCSF and Harvard. Maybe the committee figured that there was no way you'd come to Mayo, if you had to choose it over a top 10 school. I know that some of the middle tier schools in Illinois shy away from giving out interviews to candidates who are super qualified (i.e. 4.0 and 41). Obviously, I don't have concrete proof, but a lot of my in state Illinois friends with great numbers didn't get interviews from certain Illinois school. The reasoning is pretty straight forward. This kid isn't coming to school here when he can get into Stanford, so why waste our time. Just a thought.

Maybe thats why UChicago didnt give me an interview in their first batch (though I go to school in MN, im from Chicago)
 
but your entire argument is bull****, as a top school (remember this isn't Southern Illinois U., this is Mayo, the world's largest private practice) Mayo has no reason not to pursue these "overqualified" applicants. all other things equal, a school like Mayo will go for the highest numbers. obviously, they are taking much more into account than numbers so high stats won't necessarily get one past the first screens at Mayo.

Plus I would love to see concrete evidence of a state med school with a nonspecific mission statement (i.e. not particularly focused on primary care/research/underserved populations) reject a resident applicant with high stats simply because of the high stats. These midtier schools really don't care so much about the ratio of acceptances to matriculants as the top schools, and I'm pretty sure they would love to have the high stat students at their schools.


Yea I agree with you (although I am biased). It is truly an honor to be a part of this school and medical system and I think the "Mayo" name does have a great deal of significance (regardless of whether you consider Mayo a top 10 school or not).... That being said, you nailed it... the admissions committee looks WAY past numbers. My classmates are unbelievable students and were accepted all over (JHU, Harvard etc...). I really don't think Mayo rejects students thinking they are going to go somewhere else, especially seeing that almost all my classmates were accepted into other top 10 schools. To the adcom here, It really is about being well rounded, having a belief system that prioritizes the patient, and showing a sincere commitment to various aspects of your life/things your interested in.
Hope that helps!
 
Quantum, you slam my argument, but then make sure to point out that we're not talking about SIU. That seems to indicate that you agree with what I'm saying on some level, that schools like SIU would take into account the reality of that student matriculating or not. I don't understand why the argument is such bs. What doesn't make sense about the fact that med schools only have limited number of interviews spots, and therefore its in there best interest to interview the people that they feel would realistically matriculate to their medical schools if they got multiple offers. Look, I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you. I was just trying to make chris feel a little better. If I offended anyone applying to or currently attending Mayo, then I apologize.

Answer me this. Assuming chris isn't lying and he really has a 4.0 and 41. Assuming he really has all this incredible research and clinical volunteering experience, then how in world did he not get a phone interview. You just said schools will go after the best candidates. How can you possibly be any better of candidate than 4.0,41, and solid ECs. You can argue that it was because he didn't shadow a physician (which seems meaningless since he did volunteer in hospitals) or that maybe his PS wasn't that good, but do you honestly believe either of those two things are true? We're not evening talking about an actual, live interview. At the very least, you'd think he'd pass the phone screen on numbers alone.
 
One more thing. I have a feeling that you read what I just wrote and think that I didn't pay attention to what you said about "other factors". Trust me, I did. What you say would normally have a lot of merit EXCEPT for the fact that Mayo didn't make us fill out any secondary with extra essays. So what other factors are they basing their decision on? The major thing they look at is GPA, MCAT, PS, ECs, and LORs. Yeah, I know there's things like race, socioeconmic status, and probably some that I can't even think of. However, I believe that the five I just mentioned are the most important. His grades and MCAT are phenomenal. His ECs (and we don't know really all the things he's done other than volunteer and research) seem to be pretty solid if not spectacular. I already said that it is possible that his PS was bad, but I think it's unlikely. Someone that intelligent can probably express himself well to write at worst an average PS. At the very least, considering how dedicated a student this guy seems ot be, he probably put a ton of time in his PS to make sure it was good. You're not going to bust your ass to get a 4.0 and then just blow off your PS. Finally, his LORs might not be great, but I find that unlikely aswell. If you're a top student and have done award winning research, chances you can find two or three people to say some pretty nice things about you. At the very least his research LOR must have been amazing considering he won awards. Residency could be an issue as well, but I have no idea where this kid is from so I can't comment on that. I just don't see how someone like that can be denied at least a phone interview, other than for the reason I initially wrote about. Not to cheapen or take anything from those of you who have received invites for phone interviews. Congrats to those who have, and it is a great accomplishment.

Finally, I want to once again retract what I said in regrads to Mayo specifically. I can see how what I said casts Mayo in a negative light and could be offensive. It wasn't my intent to offend anybody. However, I still think that my argument makes some sense. All I'm saying that's in a med school's best interest to interview people who they feel will matriculate to their school given that they have multiple offers.
 
One more thing. I have a feeling that you read what I just wrote and think that I didn't pay attention to what you said about "other factors". Trust me, I did. What you say would normally have a lot of merit EXCEPT for the fact that Mayo didn't make us fill out any secondary with extra essays. So what other factors are they basing their decision on? The major thing they look at is GPA, MCAT, PS, ECs, and LORs. Yeah, I know there's things like race, socioeconmic status, and probably some that I can't even think of. However, I believe that the five I just mentioned are the most important. His grades and MCAT are phenomenal. His ECs (and we don't know really all the things he's done other than volunteer and research) seem to be pretty solid if not spectacular. I already said that it is possible that his PS was bad, but I think it's unlikely. Someone that intelligent can probably express himself well to write at worst an average PS. At the very least, considering how dedicated a student this guy seems ot be, he probably put a ton of time in his PS to make sure it was good. You're not going to bust your ass to get a 4.0 and then just blow off your PS. Finally, his LORs might not be great, but I find that unlikely aswell. If you're a top student and have done award winning research, chances you can find two or three people to say some pretty nice things about you. At the very least his research LOR must have been amazing considering he won awards. Residency could be an issue as well, but I have no idea where this kid is from so I can't comment on that. I just don't see how someone like that can be denied at least a phone interview, other than for the reason I initially wrote about. Not to cheapen or take anything from those of you who have received invites for phone interviews. Congrats to those who have, and it is a great accomplishment.

Finally, I want to once again retract what I said in regrads to Mayo specifically. I can see how what I said casts Mayo in a negative light and could be offensive. It wasn't my intent to offend anybody. However, I still think that my argument makes some sense. All I'm saying that's in a med school's best interest to interview people who they feel will matriculate to their school given that they have multiple offers.


assume this guy isn't lying either: http://mdapplicants.com/viewprofile.php?id=3973

He gets into Mayo and Duke but doesn't even get a secondary from UCSF.

The real point is that this is a crapshoot, and I truly think that there's decisions based off of crazy reasons behind a smokescreen. Speculating about why these decisions are made really doesn't lead to any realistic conclusions.
 
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