MCAT--How much physics?

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I started late in the "game" so to speak to go to medical school and I am attempting to get all the requirements done and take the MCAT soon. My question is how much physics do I need to take to do well on the MCAT? Is 1 class of physics OK to take the MCAT or should I take both semester before I take the test?

Also, how should I work taking Cell Bio/Genetics? Should I take one of those before the MCAT as well?

Thanks all.
 
I saw a lot of physics on mine. But it varies between tests,on some there are lots of GChem and sometimes there are lots of physics.
 
You should really take both semesters of intro physics before the MCAT. You would be putting yourself at a disadvantage if you didn't have a firm understanding of physics. There was a lot of physics on my test.
 
You should really take both semesters of intro physics before the MCAT. You would be putting yourself at a disadvantage if you didn't have a firm understanding of physics. There was a lot of physics on my test.

Even if it would be at the expense of a cell bio/genetics class? Or are those not needed as much for success on the MCAT as the physics?
 
you DEFINITELY need to have physics done before you enroll in med school anyways. BUT at the same time, a lot more schools are requiring Cellular Bio as a req now too!
So, the option is up to you, but my vote goes in for you to consider finishing all your pre-reqs before you tackle the MCAT, simply because I don't know what your current educational background is already...that is to say--which classes you have taken, how comfy you are with the material, and how you are performing in your diagnostic practice MCATs. The diagnostics will even go so far as to point out specific topics that you need to focus on. Give it a try at www.e-mcat.com 👍
 
you DEFINITELY need to have physics done before you enroll in med school anyways. BUT at the same time, a lot more schools are requiring Cellular Bio as a req now too!
So, the option is up to you, but my vote goes in for you to consider finishing all your pre-reqs before you tackle the MCAT, simply because I don't know what your current educational background is already...that is to say--which classes you have taken, how comfy you are with the material, and how you are performing in your diagnostic practice MCATs. The diagnostics will even go so far as to point out specific topics that you need to focus on. Give it a try at www.e-mcat.com 👍

By the time I take the MCAT I should have completed:
Bio
Chem
Orgo
Stats
and Physics

I probably will not have completed any more bio than the intro bio...but since I will be taking the MCAT my junior year I should still be able to take a Cell Bio/Genetics course before I actually go to med school.

Does it put me at a disadvantage for the MCAT and for Med School that I am only fulfilling the requirements of med school instead of majoring in a science?
 
Bio
Chem
Orgo
Stats
and Physics

I probably will not have completed any more bio than the intro bio...but since I will be taking the MCAT my junior year I should still be able to take a Cell Bio/Genetics course before I actually go to med school.

Does it put me at a disadvantage for the MCAT and for Med School that I am only fulfilling the requirements of med school instead of majoring in a science?

Do NOT worry about only taking pre-reqs for med school if you're not majoring in a science! My own major happened to be Psychology--and as such, I completed only as much physics and chemistry that was requested. However, I had a field day with biology classes simply because i really enjoyed them (anat, physio, micro, cell, gen bio, zoo, pharm, nutrition...etc.).
And right now I am getting some love from med schools so it just goes to show the major you choose does not seem to matter to much in the long run. Just make sure you are happy studying something that interests you 😀

on a slightly related note, my step-dad got his MD at Loma Linda. And he applied there at the age of 29 with a BA in music and the bare minimum of pre-reqs! The MCAT is the great equalizer 👍

and as far as your current list of classes...I dont see statistics being too useful for the MCAT. But hey it was a fun class right 😉
I really do recommend trying to squeeze in another round of bio, but if you cant, i would try to do as much independent study as possible.
and again, id like to see more physics completed as well...but just like bio, if that is not a possibility--then you should consider developing a really solid independent study schedule so you are prepared for the MCAT 🙂
 
Do NOT worry about only taking pre-reqs for med school if you're not majoring in a science! My own major happened to be Psychology--and as such, I completed only as much physics and chemistry that was requested. However, I had a field day with biology classes simply because i really enjoyed them (anat, physio, micro, cell, gen bio, zoo, pharm, nutrition...etc.).
And right now I am getting some love from med schools so it just goes to show the major you choose does not seem to matter to much in the long run. Just make sure you are happy studying something that interests you 😀

on a slightly related note, my step-dad got his MD at Loma Linda. And he applied there at the age of 29 with a BA in music and the bare minimum of pre-reqs! The MCAT is the great equalizer 👍

and as far as your current list of classes...I dont see statistics being too useful for the MCAT. But hey it was a fun class right 😉
I really do recommend trying to squeeze in another round of bio, but if you cant, i would try to do as much independent study as possible.
and again, id like to see more physics completed as well...but just like bio, if that is not a possibility--then you should consider developing a really solid independent study schedule so you are prepared for the MCAT 🙂

Thanks again for the help.

By the way the classes listed above I will have had TWO semester of each by the time i take the MCAT. I probably should have made that clear.
 
I had second semester physics topics on my MCAT...

I put off applications for a year so that I would be ready for the MCAT, and I am glad I did. It is possible to get ready with only one semester of physics, but you will have to learn a bunch of stuff on your own.
 
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I think I even had more physics than chemistry on my exams, and there definitely were passages from the second semester. I tries to study on my own before I took the class, because I finished physics II 2 days before my MCAT.😱
Try to take fall or spring class if possible, cuz I took mine in summer, and our professor skipped some topics that I saw on MCAT..
 
I saw a lot of physics on mine. But it varies between tests,on some there are lots of GChem and sometimes there are lots of physics.

The spread is usually 40%/60% either way, and sometimes 30%/70% either way.

In reality, asking "How much X" usually isn't that helpful a question for your MCAT Prep. You've got to know as much as you possibly can. You could have only 4 questions with physics, but if you miss those 4 questions it could be difference between a 14 PS and an 11.
 
For me, one year of non-calculus based physics was sufficient for the mcat. However, check to make sure that you don't also need calculus based physics for some med schools. For example, it looks like UC Davis's med school wants calculus based physics if you are taking your pre-reqs at a CC. Anyways, the point is, it's probably much better to postpone the mcat until after you've taken a full year of physics - by then, the concepts and problems should be almost second nature to you. Just make sure you take the physics courses, not just to get an A, but also to understand the material.
 
a lot more schools are requiring Cellular Bio as a req now too!
MrMattOglesby- just wondering, what are some schools who now have Cell Bio as a req? When you say Cell Bio you mean a higher-level Bio class, not the Intro Level Biology course requirement right?

I guess I should purchase the MSAR book - I heard they list each school and the pre-req that the school requires?
 
I took my MCAT before taking Physics 2 and it was a big mistake- I got a 7 in the PS section... (9 in BS and 11 in VR though)... my score is low and I am just praying to get an acceptance this year but if not I will be retaking
 
MrMattOglesby- just wondering, what are some schools who now have Cell Bio as a req? When you say Cell Bio you mean a higher-level Bio class, not the Intro Level Biology course requirement right?

I guess I should purchase the MSAR book - I heard they list each school and the pre-req that the school requires?

Ooh...Im gonna have to look this up for you later, so remind me!
but off the top of my head, I know that FIU-COM requires a course in Cellular Biology. However, keep in mind that some courses may be listed under different names but actually be very similar. For example, the syllabus for Molecular Biology is very similar to that of Cell Bio...and even similar to that of Biochemistry!
I actually petitioned University of Hawaii with a my Cell Bio class to see if it would pass for Biochemistry and they gave me the thumbs up 👍
If you would prefer, just let me know which schools you are applying to and I'll see if I can find anything in the MSAR for you.
 
Thanks for offering. I am applying next summer and purchasing a copy of the MSAR before then so I should be set! I was just curious about some random schools that might require it, so if later you get a chance to check that'd be great.

Also I was wondering when the next latest issue of MSAR comes out? (I did not want to buy it now if an updated version comes out in January for example)
 
The spread is usually 40%/60% either way, and sometimes 30%/70% either way.

In reality, asking "How much X" usually isn't that helpful a question for your MCAT Prep. You've got to know as much as you possibly can. You could have only 4 questions with physics, but if you miss those 4 questions it could be difference between a 14 PS and an 11.

As always, a great point. The distribution differential from exam to exam is irrelevant given that there is no pattern. There's no way to know in advance how much you'll get, so you have to prepare by being ready for everything in both general chemistry and physics. And all questions count, so why not be prepared for everything?

From this point, I'm going to disagree with the overall opinion here about completing physics. Now let me start by saying it is always better to have completed your pre-reqs before taking the MCAT, but it's not necessarily detrimental beyond belief if you don't finish everyone by the time you sit for the MCAT.

I point to UCI physics as a prime example. Students are advised at UCI to take physics their junior year, so many are faced with your exact dilemma. They are forced to choose between a delayed primary application (resulting from a July or August MCAT) or taking the MCAT without having the last quarter of physics.

Having taught the class in Irvine for several years (until a few years back), I found that most students could pick up the bare essentials of sound, optics, wave phenomenon, and EM with just a little extra teaching and a bunch of mnemonics. I would dare say that it was sometimes easier to teach them about the MCAT, because it didn't require unteaching some impractical things they learn in physics classes. For instance, ray diagrams are great for school, but on the MCAT you don't have time to draw them (especially on a CBT). So, the plan is to do enough in advance of the test that you have a good visual of the different outcomes in your head. Once a student gets this visualization down and applies the variation on the thin lens equation we use, they can answer most any MCAT optics question in fifteen second, even the double lens questions.

So as weird as this sounds, not completing traditional college physics but instead learning MCAT physics for that material can be an advantage. In the end, the average PS scores are the same for the people who completed physics as the people who didn't. I hear from the current Irvine physics teacher that the challenge is teaching people who took a full year of physics in a ten-week course.

The bottom line is that if you can't complete your second semester of physics byt the time you take the MCAT, you can be just fine if you study from a question-answering perspective.
 
Schools that require Additional Prerequisites: (source: MSAR 2009-2010)


  • University of Southern California - molecular biology
  • UC Davis - Calculus
  • UC Irvine - Upper Level Bio, Stats, Biochemistry
  • Florida International University - Cell Bio, Calc/Stats (1 year)
  • University of Florida - Biochemistry
  • Florida State University - Biochemistry
  • Medical College of Georgia - Advanced Chemistry
  • University of Hawaii - Cell and Molecular Bio (no lab reqd)
  • University of Illinois at Chicago - Advanced level Bio, Anthro or Socio
  • Harvard - Calculus
  • Michigan State - Upper Level Bio (1 sem)
  • Univ. of Nebraska - Calc, Genetics, Biochem
  • Dartmouth - Calc
  • Duke - Calc
  • Univ. of Wisconsin - Stats, Advncd Level Bio
 
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Thanks for your post of schools requiring more than typical pre-requisites MrMattOglesby.

Does anyone know when the next latest issue of MSAR comes out? (I did not want to buy it now if an updated version comes out in January for example). Will there be one out before the next application cycle (summer 2009-->)?
 
the next updated MSAR will not be available until schools have more or less finished filling their classes. Otherwise the information they post within would be prone to error as new students may be admitted or accepted students may withdraw. These examples would throw off things like ethnic representation and IS/OOS matriculated values.
So without doing any further research, and knowing that May 15th is the date which all US MD students must select just one school to hold an acceptance, I would assume that the new edition might come out around that date as well. Give or take a month.
And after a quick flip through of my copy of the MSAR...I did not see any specified date for the release of the next edition.

and by the way--as an update to my previous post:
there are:

  • 17 schools that require Calculus
  • 35 schools that require College Mathematics
  • 9 schools that require behavioral science
  • 14 schools that require humanities
  • 13 schools that require biochemistry
at least that is what is reported via MSAR (p 12).
I imagine it is more helpful to go directly to the school in question to investigate prerequisites whenever possible.

PS: the next issue will be titled, "MSAR 2010-2011." Keep an eye on this website for any updates.
 
Thanks again MattOglseby! I think you are right that the new edition cannot come out until after this year's applicants matriculate.

In that case, I might as well get the MSAR now/soon as I will probably submit my AMCAS application early summer 2009. My AMCAS will be submitted before the new MSAR is out, and so I'll use the 2009-2010 as I consider schools and complete the application process.
 
Haha wow cool thanks for posting that link!

Although the current MSAR is not made of "outdated information" is it?
 
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