MCW Class of 2010, Part 3

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and what did the letter about the dog lab say?

I have it in my backpack and i'll keep it there. If you wanna read it come up to me. I'll let you read it, and you are not required to say anything to me personally, as I will not to you.
 
How to take a sexual history. Apparently we have to role play different patients. One of my friends told me she had to pretend to be a very curious 17 year old wanting to know about sex and asking the person taking the history about it. Then people have to be gay and stuff.
it would be waaay too hard for me to do this without at least slipping in some innuendo
 
it would be waaay too hard for me to do this without at least slipping in some innuendo

my group's video is going to have a soundtrack. not sure if it will be from Last of the Mohicans or Conan the Barbarian.
 
my group's video is going to have a soundtrack. not sure if it will be from Last of the Mohicans or Conan the Barbarian.

Let me know if you need an added bassline. I can play some mighty suggestive slap-bass.
 
I got the dog lab letter too... irritating.

And have you guys done the sex survey yet? It's awesome... I did mine sitting between two mormons that were days away from getting married. The things they said... my poor little virgin ears could hardly believe themselves.
 
I got the dog lab letter too... irritating.

And have you guys done the sex survey yet? It's awesome... I did mine sitting between two mormons that were days away from getting married. The things they said... my poor little virgin ears could hardly believe themselves.

There's gotta be a reason all of them have 5 kids by age 24, right? Yet they still look more relaxed than I do on my best day...interesting.

*One point to Funk for the potentially offensive gross stereotype of a religious sect! :clap:
 
There's gotta be a reason all of them have 5 kids by age 24, right? Yet they still look more relaxed than I do on my best day...interesting.

*One point to Funk for the potentially offensive gross stereotype of a religious sect! :clap:

My friends in question were 27 and 28 at the time... and were saying "just let me fill this out in three weeks, then we'll have something interesting to say"... they tried to peek at mine too. None of that was to be had though...
 
my group's video is going to have a soundtrack. not sure if it will be from Last of the Mohicans or Conan the Barbarian.
The Last of the Mohicans, HANDS DOWN. That was the first CD I ever got, and I've still got it in my car. Tracks 2, 5 and 8 are the best.
 
I got the dog lab letter too... irritating.

And have you guys done the sex survey yet? It's awesome... I did mine sitting between two mormons that were days away from getting married. The things they said... my poor little virgin ears could hardly believe themselves.
mine woulda been pretty boring before I got married too....but I sure wasn't 28....

- Not Mormon though
 
The Last of the Mohicans, HANDS DOWN. That was the first CD I ever got, and I've still got it in my car. Tracks 2, 5 and 8 are the best.

personally the main title is my favorite, but #2 is rock solid too.
 
Nevermind...I've scanned the whole letter for you guys to read. Any errors/typos are the fault of my scanner's text recognition.

Dear MCW Medical Student,
As an M.D./Ph.D. student at the University of Virginia (UVA) I was disappointed to leam recently that the
Medical College of Wisconsin continues to use 60 live dogs per year in an Ml physiology lab, at the end of which
the dogs are killed. As recently as 3 years ago, medical students at UVA were offered a lab as part of the surgery
clerkship which required the euthanasia of nearly 100 beagles each year. In our case, the lab was designed to
demonstrate, ironically enough, life-saving techniques.
Undoubtedly, many of you are uncomfortable with the idea of sacrificing animals in such a manner. Many
of my own classmates were reluctant to express their obrjections for fear of being singled out or possibly having
their actions adversely affect their grade. Some of these students decided to just grin and bear it, believing the lab
to be a "rite of passage" of sorts. Other students ran out of the lab in tears, unable to bear the sight of anesthetized
beagles prepared for vivisection. Given that this was the first experience most students have with surgery, I
couldn't help but think that it would be better to show students how doctors can save lives rather than take
lives. After this series of events, I decided that something had to be done to change the lab. I began by learning as
much as I could about these types of labs around the country. What I discovered shocked me.
A report in the journal Academic Medicine (reference) indicated that the number of U.S. medical schools
that continue to use live animals in education has decreased steadily (1). In 1985, 73 of schools used live
animals, in 1994 that number dropped to 62, and in 2001 only 32 of schools continued to do so. Apparently
UVA had been continuing a teaching method which had long since been eliminated at most other schools. The
most recent data (according to the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine) now indicates that only 16 of
the 126 allopathic medical schools in the U.S. continue to use live animals as part of their M1-M4 curricula. Even
larger is the number of U.S. medical schools—more than 90 percent—that no longer use live animals for
physiology instruction. This makes MCW part of a small (and shrinking) minority.
There exist many alternatives to using live animals for teaching purposes. It might seem obvious, but the
most important of these are real patients themselves. At my school, surgeons are very willing to bring first and
second year students into the O.R. to demonstrate physiological principles and surgical techniques first-hand.
Using animals for these purposes is a step backwards since their anatomy, physiology, and pharmacologic
responses to drugs are vastly different from those of humans.
The Human Patient Simulator (HPS) from Medical Education Technologies, Inc (METI) is another very
popular alternative used at Harvard, Baylor, UCLA, and other top ranked schools. MCW currently owns four
HPS units, more than enough to replace the use of live dogs. HPS is a programmable and interactive simulator
that accurately mirrors human responses to a variety of physiological situations, including intravenous
administration of over 55 drugs. HPS facilitates repetition and progressive learning in safe but true-to-life
scenarios, which is important for optimal physiology education and not possible using live animals. Other options
include class and small-group case discussions, interactive computer-based methods such as virtual reality
programs, and hands-on mentorship opportunities.
A search of the medical literature revealed many studies over the past several years which
demonstrate that students taught using human-based teaching methods perform as well or better than
those students taught with animal-based models.
I presented all of this information at a Curriculum Committee meeting. Many of the students and faculty


were as surprised as I was at what I had found. Discussions followed over the next few weeks and I later
presented my arguments to the lab instructor and the dean of the medical school. An ad hoc committee was
formed to investigate the issue further. In February 2004 the committee corroborated many of my findings and
decided that it was no longer justified to use dogs for such a lab. They also recommended that the lab should be
revamped to instead use more modem and accurate teaching tools. Since November 2004, students at UVA
have been learning life-saving techniques using the HPS. Overall, the course has received very favorable
reviews from students. In fact, over the past two years no one seems to remember that an animal lab ever existed
at our school.
It has been exciting to see such progress made so quickly at my school, and I'm certain that the same can
happen at MCW. I would encourage each of you to discuss this issue with your professors and
administrators. I think you will find support for the elimination of live animal use, not only by many of your
classmates, but also by residents, attendings, staff members, as well as the community in general. The alternatives
are already available at MCW, will save the medical school thousands of dollars in the long-run, and will prevent
the needless suffering and death of 60 dogs each year. Most importantly, these changes will help you become
outstanding physicians who will have been trained using the most effective, accurate, and ethically acceptable
methods available to medical schools today.
Should you have any questions or concerns about anything I've mentioned, please do not hesitate to
contact me. I'm happy to share with you the wealth of information I've accumulated on this issue over the past
four years. I also encourage you to contact the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine to ask how
they might help with this effort.
Sincerely,
Rooshin Dalal
 
Rooshin should receive 206 emails asking how he was given the addresses of MCW's M2s.
 
As far as ol' Rooshin goes, I'm a lot less concerned about his letter and its contents than I am about whatever breach in privacy occurred to allow him to gain access to all of our mailing addresses. I'm not paying $40,000 in tuition simply to allow my mailing address to get into the hands of random spammers. I get enough of that from the AMA as it is.

I'm not a great proponent of the dog lab at MCW. If you're interested, you can read my thoughts at my blog. I am aware, however, that some people found the lab useful (thanks Ashers) and that the makeup of the physiology faculty is not really amenable to change in the lab at this point. I think it's obvious with the yearly protests surrounding the dog lab where non-medical members of the community stand in this matter, and am confident that eventually MCW will join the other schools in finding alternative educational solutions.
 
As far as ol' Rooshin goes, I'm a lot less concerned about his letter and its contents than I am about whatever breach in privacy occurred to allow him to gain access to all of our mailing addresses. I'm not paying $40,000 in tuition simply to allow my mailing address to get into the hands of random spammers. I get enough of that from the AMA as it is...

I didn't even read the entire letter initially. I opened it, read the first sentence, and was like "How on earth did someone at UVA get my address?" This is making people just as mad as they were last year when all this crap started last year around the dog lab.

My big complaint about the lab was that I was an idiot and forgot I'm allergic to dogs, and I forgot to take allergy medicine before going in, so I couldn't breathe for like a week after it.

If anyone on here doesn't want to participate in the dog lab, Dr. Liard has a CD program thing to use to learn the stuff. One of my friends used it last year, but he didn't advertise it.
 
so, uh, what exactly do we do in the dog lab? and when is it?

It's about a third of the way through 2nd semester. When you get to the lab, the dogs are already anesthetized and on ventilators. You make a midline incision and use Stryker saws to open their chests, exposing the heart and lungs. You cannulate a couple of their arteries to monitor blood pressure in a couple points of the body, and then proceed to demonstrate the physiological principles you've been learning in class by giving them various drugs, occluding certain blood vessels, etc. Near the end of the experiment, you induce ventricular fibrillation and then shock their hearts back into a sinus rhythm. If they haven't died by the end of the experiment, you euthanize them with a lethal dose of potassium chloride, which causes their heart to stop beating.
 
thanks for the chinese.
 
thanks for the chinese.

That was great.

I must admit my reaction to the speechifyin' told me I need a lot more sleep. When the president of the SA was talking, I developed a very bad case of "Those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do."
 
That was great.

I must admit my reaction to the speechifyin' told me I need a lot more sleep. When the president of the SA was talking, I developed a very bad case of "Those of you who think you know everything are annoying those of us who do."

what was the SA stuff all about?
 
what was the SA stuff all about?

Well, I kind of tuned out after the first few minutes, but it was mostly about how they got the idea, what a great idea it was, telling each class what we were probably thinking about right now, telling us how to move to a table with people in a different class and how many people should be seated there (but fortunately we were told it was okay if there were more than eight people, because I'm a sheep and would never have figured that out on my own), and what to talk about. We were told it was especially important to find out all about professionalism. I will say that one of my M1 colleagues was very tolerant and professional about the whole long speech thing.

Not me; I was whispering like a bad kid in a long class.
 
Wait wait wait. Was that med school "mixer" tonight? I decided to bow out of that one under the assumption that a group of med students put together in a random situation would do nothing more than whine about how boring/horrible/idiotic school was.

I may stand corrected though. A forced conversation on professionalism would have been even more tedious.
 
Wait wait wait. Was that med school "mixer" tonight? I decided to bow out of that one under the assumption that a group of med students put together in a random situation would do nothing more than whine about how boring/horrible/idiotic school was.

I may stand corrected though. A forced conversation on professionalism would have been even more tedious.

I am sorry to report that the table I moved to (I was sitting with just M1s because I was unprofessional at first) was very disobedient and talked about residency applications and clinicals and studying for the boards with the M3 who was there.
 
I am sorry to report that the table I moved to (I was sitting with just M1s because I was unprofessional at first) was very disobedient and talked about residency applications and clinicals and studying for the boards with the M3 who was there.

10 demerits.
 
Naughty, naughty M-3s!! And the president of SA... he's on my track. I heart him. 😛
 
Yeah... how much of the reading do we have to do? I heard they take cases from there. And is it from Lo? On Doctoring?

We turn to you and your sage advice, oh wise Xandie.

and her love. don't forget her love!!!!!!!!

HARGARTEN LECTURE TOMORROW WOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Oh, the ethics final.... I didn't study for it at all and got high 80s on the test, if memory serves. It was mostly situtational stuff, and every question has at least two possible and pretty good, but not perfect, answers. Sorry about that. 🙁

And I love you too, Marc... is that a pity induced love having to do with the little thing I told you a few weeks ago? Because if it is, thanks even more. 🙂
 
what was the SA stuff all about?

Nobody knows. The president guy just likes to hear his own voice. Just tack this **** on to your CV and leave us to our chinese food.
 
Oh, the ethics final.... I didn't study for it at all and got high 80s on the test, if memory serves. It was mostly situtational stuff, and every question has at least two possible and pretty good, but not perfect, answers. Sorry about that. 🙁

And I love you too, Marc... is that a pity induced love having to do with the little thing I told you a few weeks ago? Because if it is, thanks even more. 🙂

Girl, you know it's both pity love and just love with a love that's more than love.
(2 life points to whomever catches the literary reference)
 
I have this habit of messing with telemarketers, and you can always tell when they're calling...it's a weird number on caller ID, and when you pick up there's that momentary silence while the computer that dialed your number notifies an operator to start talking. So, it's pretty obvious when somebody is about to try to get your money.

Last semester I got such a call, and quickly thinking on my feet, I answered the phone, in a deep throaty voice, "Section 17, what's your clearance code"

"Um...uh...hi....this is Jonathan, calling from the New York Times?"
"I need your security clearance."
"Um....we're just trying to sell some newspapers?"
"This is not an authorized number." *click*

It's cheesy and lame, but it's fun. And I like to think it puts a little interest into the operator's life...maybe it freaks them out, or more than likely it just makes them wonder what the hell number they actually dialed. And I sure get a lame, geeky sort of immature giggle out of it.


So last night, the phone rings, and it's a weird number on the ID. I almost didn't answer it. But I did.

There's the telltale pause and click...I act fast, but not fast enough to have any "new material." So I say, once again using a deep and authoritative military style voice, "Security Unit 5, give me your access code."

A long pause.

"Umm....Hi, this is Brad calling from the American Medical Association, um, I'm looking for Marc?"

(oops...crap)

Now here's a dilemma...a professional organization calls you and you just screwed with them. They have your phone number. They have your address. They even have your money. What do you do? Do you suddenly go into a normal voice, and go "oh, yeah, Hi, this is Marc, what's up?"

Or do you stick to your guns and demand the person provide his security clearance authorization?

Well, you do neither. You suddenly remember getting a piece of mail from them asking for annual dues. And you don't want to pay these dues.

"You have the wrong number." *click*
 
Smooth, Marc. Real smooth.


BTW, why would you have to pay annual dues? I thought it was just the 4-year thingy.
 
I keep getting letters from the AMA that look like bills asking me to pay a membership fee to their Political Action Committee (or whatever PAC stands for). I can't believe they actually think med students, or residents for that matter, have enough spare change to contribute to their impotent lobbying group.
 
I keep getting letters from the AMA that look like bills asking me to pay a membership fee to their Political Action Committee (or whatever PAC stands for). I can't believe they actually think med students, or residents for that matter, have enough spare change to contribute to their impotent lobbying group.

yeah, i got that one. it went in the recycling pretty quickly.

and someone explain to me why i have a stack of JAMAs in my bookcase, going back to the very first one received last year. it's a big stack. i think it's time to take out the trash.
 
yeah, i got that one. it went in the recycling pretty quickly.

and someone explain to me why i have a stack of JAMAs in my bookcase, going back to the very first one received last year. it's a big stack. i think it's time to take out the trash.

Yikes. I have a tendency to hoard things like that, which is why I made a pact with my wife last year that I could buy a magazine rack that can hold probably 10 issues at any one time and I can only keep enough JAMAs around to fill that up. I tend to pick and choose issues to keep around long enough to read abstracts based on my future specialty interests, tossing all others pretty quickly.
 
I have this habit of messing with telemarketers, and you can always tell when they're calling...it's a weird number on caller ID, and when you pick up there's that momentary silence while the computer that dialed your number notifies an operator to start talking. So, it's pretty obvious when somebody is about to try to get your money.

My favorite trick is to answer the phone normally. They usually ask for my wife by her maiden name ("Mrs. B..."), and I tell them that no one lives here by that name. Then they ask for Jennifer, and I tell them she's not there. When the finally give up trying to find her and start talking to me, I just say "No hablo ingles." Usually they pause for a second 'cause I've just been talking in English, and then they say "momento por favor." I hang up while they're gone getting a Spanish-speaking telemarketer.

Marc, you have GOTTA listen to this...

http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com/
 
Yikes. I have a tendency to hoard things like that, which is why I made a pact with my wife last year that I could buy a magazine rack that can hold probably 10 issues at any one time and I can only keep enough JAMAs around to fill that up. I tend to pick and choose issues to keep around long enough to read abstracts based on my future specialty interests, tossing all others pretty quickly.

I read as much JAMA as I can on the way from the mailbox to the garage while my dog is taking a dump, and then it gets tossed in the recycling bin on the way into the house.

I think it's pretty shady of the AMA to try to dupe their paying members into donating to their PAC by sending them fake bills for membership. They should just have the balls to ask us for donations instead of pulling this sleight of hand. I'm already a member because of the free Stedman's for med students, but when I'm an attending I don't plan on giving them any money. You said it pretty well in the thread in Allo that they don't do crap for the profession. I plan on joining my specialty's professional organization when I'm an attending, and I'll donate any money I would have spent on the AMA to that organization's PAC.
 
Speaking of specialty organizations, is there gonna be an AIG meeting soon? I just joined on ANGEL this year, and I need to know if I'm interested in the interest.

No biggie, just curious.
 
Speaking of specialty organizations, is there gonna be an AIG meeting soon? I just joined on ANGEL this year, and I need to know if I'm interested in the interest.

No biggie, just curious.

:laugh: You're about the 6th person who's asked about that. We're trying to get a lunch meeting going on the 28th if the speaker gets back to me soon. Sorry, this is what happens when a major procrastinator gets elected into a position of authority. 😳 I promise we'll do more next semester.
 
:laugh: You're about the 6th person who's asked about that. We're trying to get a lunch meeting going on the 28th if the speaker gets back to me soon. Sorry, this is what happens when a major procrastinator gets elected into a position of authority. 😳 I promise we'll do more next semester.

Awesome. Don't worry about it. I'm a major procrastinator too. I'm supposed to be working on getting a tax exemption ID for AMSA and there are a couple questions that I don't know how to answer on the form. So I've been ignoring it. It's been since the beginning of October. Oops.
 
Finally, 1000th post. I guess I can go study now. 😕
 
Naughty, naughty M-3s!! And the president of SA... he's on my track. I heart him. 😛

I'm sure he has many redeeming qualities and I was just too crabby to see them.
 
I have this habit of messing with telemarketers, and you can always tell when they're calling...it's a weird number on caller ID, and when you pick up there's that momentary silence while the computer that dialed your number notifies an operator to start talking. So, it's pretty obvious when somebody is about to try to get your money.

Last semester I got such a call, and quickly thinking on my feet, I answered the phone, in a deep throaty voice, "Section 17, what's your clearance code"

"Um...uh...hi....this is Jonathan, calling from the New York Times?"
"I need your security clearance."
"Um....we're just trying to sell some newspapers?"
"This is not an authorized number." *click*

It's cheesy and lame, but it's fun. And I like to think it puts a little interest into the operator's life...maybe it freaks them out, or more than likely it just makes them wonder what the hell number they actually dialed. And I sure get a lame, geeky sort of immature giggle out of it.
Should you ever feel the need to drag that out much, much further, this is your template - I just about had tears in my eyes when I heard this the first time - http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com/
 
My favorite trick is to answer the phone normally. They usually ask for my wife by her maiden name ("Mrs. B..."), and I tell them that no one lives here by that name. Then they ask for Jennifer, and I tell them she's not there. When the finally give up trying to find her and start talking to me, I just say "No hablo ingles." Usually they pause for a second 'cause I've just been talking in English, and then they say "momento por favor." I hang up while they're gone getting a Spanish-speaking telemarketer.

Marc, you have GOTTA listen to this...

http://howtoprankatelemarketer.ytmnd.com/
sonafabitch......


but YOU'RE THE MAN NOW, DOG!
 
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