MCW Class of 2012

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TheProwler said:
Obamunism is on its way. Even CRNAs can pull over $200K in some cities.
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That's why I'm getting in on the ground floor. Pediatrics, where no one makes over $6.50 an hour, including the MDs. I figure they're already making the MD equivalent of minimum wage, so regardless of which evil side of the healthcare battle wins, I have less of a chance of a crippling paycut.

RE: realistic conversations with families-- I think ER and the media have ruined our chances of this ever happening. Haven't you heard? Modern medicine is all about miraculous survival stories! Hell, now we can cure rabies and AIDs and even make men have babies! [/nefarious media obfuscation]

Oh, and regardless of their miracle-maker status, doctors are overpaid. O'Reilly told me so.
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TheProwler said:
Obamunism is on its way. Even CRNAs can pull over $200K in some cities.


Of course, we could also save a lot of money if we had just a few realistic discussions with family members on why their loved one could just die in peace with some narcotics rather than a futile full-court press with transplants, ventilators, TPN, G-tubes, two dozen specialist consults, and zero quality of life. We have a few patients on our floor who are in similar situations, bad enough that one of the primary docs of one of these patients said "I wish s/he were dead."
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maybe some people have a different idea on quality of life than you! :idea:
 
BamBoozed said:
maybe some people have a different idea on quality of life than you! :idea:
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That may be, but when it's expressly against their wishes, it's wrong (seen that happen). Of course, some family members insist on more than their mom/dad would have wanted, and some doctors don't have the spine to stick up for what is best for the patient, family be damned.

Furthermore, when every intervention causes pain, we should seriously reconsider our motives for continued action. We have a (very small) patient on our floor receiving a Dilaudid PCA at a rate of 5mg/hr with a dose of an additional 5mg with only a 7 minute lock-out. I'd be dead in under an hour, and I outweigh the patient by probably a factor of 10. If you're in that much pain, your quality of life is LOW.
 
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TheProwler said:
That may be, but when it's expressly against their wishes, it's wrong (seen that happen). Of course, some family members insist on more than their mom/dad would have wanted, and some doctors don't have the spine to stick up for what is best for the patient, family be damned.

Furthermore, when every intervention causes pain, we should seriously reconsider our motives for continued action. We have a (very small) patient on our floor receiving a Dilaudid PCA at a rate of 5mg/hr with a dose of an additional 5mg with only a 7 minute lock-out. I'd be dead in under an hour, and I outweigh the patient by probably a factor of 10. If you're in that much pain, your quality of life is LOW.
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speaking of tolerance...that damn constipation never goes away.
 
indo said:
speaking of tolerance...that damn constipation never goes away.
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Miralax works great. I've only taken a narcotic once, and I didn't like it. gave me vicodin when my wisdom teeth were taken out.
 
TheProwler said:
Miralax works great. I've only taken a narcotic once, and I didn't like it. gave me vicodin when my wisdom teeth were taken out.
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No one likes getting narcotics.










They LOVE it.
 
badasshairday said:
mustvebrrjrdipwhr8rb
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Mustava Burjadeepwur? Were you trying to send a text message or something? You'll have to translate..I don't speak High School Musical.
 
To my dear upperclassmen,

Have you guys worked with Dr. Kulman (not sure on spelling) in OB/Gyn? We just got done with a series of lectures by him in anatomy, and man, that in your face NY accent must be nuts when he gets mad.
 
I've noticed that MCW's tests are a lot easier than other medical schools. (in terms of the means and types of questions that are asked)

I'm studying with my friend who goes to another medical school in Illinois and boy are their questions MUCH harder than ours (especially in anatomy).

Do you upperclassmen feel that you were prepared for the boards through classes or did you mostly have to self-study?

Thanks!
 
LakerWildcat said:
I've noticed that MCW's tests are a lot easier than other medical schools. (in terms of the means and types of questions that are asked)

I'm studying with my friend who goes to another medical school in Illinois and boy are their questions MUCH harder than ours (especially in anatomy).

Do you upperclassmen feel that you were prepared for the boards through classes or did you mostly have to self-study?

Thanks!
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Of course there is lots of studying involved. But for the most part if you focus on the parts they focused on in the course you will do just fine.

And I honestly didn't have all that much anatomy on step 1. I did not feel ill-prepared. Same for biochem and devo, for that matter. Focus on path and phys, don't neglect pharm but honestly I think they over-teach pharm from a step 1 standpoint at least. It is important info to learn anyway, of course (more so than most of the nitty-gritty in path, in my opinion).
 
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it doesn't really matter how hard the anatomy course is as long as the course is curved and all that. Ideally a given student would achieve the same course grade at either school, regardless of difficulty.
 
I'm not really concerned about my performance compared to others.

I just don't want to MCW to trick me into thinking I know the material and then get ambushed on the boards. I'd much rather struggle but learn the material well enough for the boards rather than vice versa.

I had a really hard undergrad, which I am thankful for because it has prepared me really well for med school. I just don't want it to be the opposite when it comes to a test that really matters (aka boards).
 
You would destroy Step I's anatomy questions if you took them after any anatomy course at any medical school. You won't have trouble with anatomy or pharm.
 
LakerWildcat said:
I'm not really concerned about my performance compared to others.

I just don't want to MCW to trick me into thinking I know the material and then get ambushed on the boards. I'd much rather struggle but learn the material well enough for the boards rather than vice versa.

I had a really hard undergrad, which I am thankful for because it has prepared me really well for med school. I just don't want it to be the opposite when it comes to a test that really matters (aka boards).
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There will be things you need to brush up on and a few topics that get very minimal coverage during your classes, but overall the school does as decent a job as any of preparing you for Step 1. This is also evidenced by the average to above average class scores on Step 1 year after year.
 
That's good news for all of us M1-ers.

Seriously, is it necessary to beat the hell out of your med students with averages in the 50's and make them stress about not even passing?
 
LakerWildcat said:
That's good news for all of us M1-ers.

Seriously, is it necessary to beat the hell out of your med students with averages in the 50's and make them stress about not even passing?
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..seems like it would be bad for morale.
 
Step 1 anatomy = not hard.

Your friends will change their tune about MCW's exams when they get ahold of your pharm tests, or a physiology final. Also, I've got a friend who's in the same class as me at Wake Forest, and what we lacked in anatomy, we more than made up for in biochem. His biochem class was cake, but he'd be in the anatomy lab for endless hours.
 
The thing with anatomy is that 99% is useless and will be forgotten. Most schools require you to memorize insertion and origin of each muscle. Thats just dumb IMHO. You will "never" have a patient that you will have to know the exact insertion of a muscle. As Prowler said...anatomy is easy and low yield on step 1.
 
I used the anatomy questions from the university of michigan medical school to study and felt they were equivalent difficulty to ours. And like others have said most anatomy is not necessary such as insertions/origins. I wish they would make other classes more relavent like virology grrr! Don't worry about whether our questions are easy or not just that we have the knowledge we need for boards and 3/4th year.
 
pratik7 said:
The thing with anatomy is that 99% is useless and will be forgotten. Most schools require you to memorize insertion and origin of each muscle. Thats just dumb IMHO. You will "never" have a patient that you will have to know the exact insertion of a muscle. As Prowler said...anatomy is easy and low yield on step 1.
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unless you do sports med or ortho. I had to learn origins and insertions for my athletic training undergrad program, and it was actually important for manual muscle testing - which we learned for each specific muscle, not a muscle group.

Outside of these specific fields though, yeah, it's bogus to learn.
 
akpete said:
unless you do sports med or ortho. I had to learn origins and insertions for my athletic training undergrad program, and it was actually important for manual muscle testing - which we learned for each specific muscle, not a muscle group.

Outside of these specific fields though, yeah, it's bogus to learn.
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of course, the ortho guys don't know anything inside the head, abdomen or thorax, so it's a trade-off ;)
 
Is it going to keep snowing every other day for the rest of winter? :confused:
 
I am thinking about declaring tommorow a snowday.

But if I dont walk to school I cant play ping pong. :confused:
 
number said:
I am thinking about declaring tommorow a snowday.

But if I dont walk to school I cant play ping pong. :confused:
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Are you originally from a place that gets snow? I don't mind the snow, even though this is the first time I've lived in it. I always walk cuz I don't have a car, which is actually a blessing, since my walks too and from school are the only time I get off of my butt. I just got home from the devo review. It wasn't raining, or snowing, or hailing, it was a slurrpy.
 
badasshairday said:
Are you originally from a place that gets snow? I don't mind the snow, even though this is the first time I've lived in it. I always walk cuz I don't have a car, which is actually a blessing, since my walks too and from school are the only time I get off of my butt. I just got home from the devo review. It wasn't raining, or snowing, or hailing, it was a slurrpy.
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It snows occasionally where I am from, but not nearly as often and it usually melts after a few days.

The snow and cold do not bother me all that much. I just like to have something to complain about.
 
number said:
I am thinking about declaring tommorow a snowday.

But if I dont walk to school I cant play ping pong. :confused:
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Do it for the ping pong. It'll be worth it.
 
Anyone know when we get our notes and schedule for next semester?
 
Went to lab today for the first time my this block. Got juiced in the eye. Glad to soon be through with anatomy. One weekend per block has been far too much time with the stink.
 
I just took step 1 this summer with 3.5 weeks prep, and I felt very prepared in most aspects of the test, largely due to the classes offered at MCW. I thought they had just the right amount of depth and difficulty. Any more than what they did would have just been overkill. I did well on step one so my opinion may be a little slanted. My undergrad didn't prepare me at all for med school, and it didn't make a bit of difference. I did spend a lot of time surfing however, which helped me appreciate living life before I had to button down once I started med school.
 
Tori's dad said:
I just took step 1 this summer with 3.5 weeks prep, and I felt very prepared in most aspects of the test, largely due to the classes offered at MCW. I thought they had just the right amount of depth and difficulty. Any more than what they did would have just been overkill. I did well on step one so my opinion may be a little slanted. My undergrad didn't prepare me at all for med school, and it didn't make a bit of difference. I did spend a lot of time surfing however, which helped me appreciate living life before I had to button down once I started med school.
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you on anesthesia now?
 
Damn, one post and the prowler figures out who I am. :scared: Yes, Im on RPM right now.
 
Wow, break is almost over and I'm heading back to Milwaukee tomorrow. Do you upperclassmen have tips for physiology? I hear it is going to be killer. Should I buy the textbook? I'm not much of a textbook reader, but I do like supplemental reading such as Clinical Anatomy Made Ridiculously Simple type of books.
 
badasshairday said:
Wow, break is almost over and I'm heading back to Milwaukee tomorrow. Do you upperclassmen have tips for physiology? I hear it is going to be killer. Should I buy the textbook? I'm not much of a textbook reader, but I do like supplemental reading such as Clinical Anatomy Made Ridiculously Simple type of books.
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I thought the Guyton book they recommend was pretty money...one of the few texts I read on a regular basis. I've also heard good things about Costanzo's Physiology...could be nice to have a different viewpoint from the one taught in class. I think Funk used it and liked it.
 
I used the Guyton textbook as well as the question guide and thought they were both worth buying. If it's like last year, the course closely follows Guyton most of the time and there were definately test questions that came just from the book. I also recommend BRS Phys. It's not that the concepts in phys are hard. It's that they write terrible test questions. You read the question and are thinking... What the heck? So... just get used to that. It is rather frustrating when you know the phys in and out and could teach it to someone perfectly and still only get in the 70s on the exam.
 
I would recommend you use a used and offshore service like campusi.com to buy Guyton. The prices are much better that way. I got a new color copy with CD for about $70 and some of my classmates got one that was advertised as black and white but arrived in color (without CD, which was useless anyway) for more like $35.
 
Highly highly recommend using the old tests they have online on ANGEL. I did pretty well in phys, and I don't think they wrote bad questions, you just had to be used to their style.
 
Gimlet said:
I thought the Guyton book they recommend was pretty money...one of the few texts I read on a regular basis. I've also heard good things about Costanzo's Physiology...could be nice to have a different viewpoint from the one taught in class. I think Funk used it and liked it.
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Yeah, Costanzo was fantastic. My recommendation would be to use Guyton for the cardiovascular unit and maybe the renal unit. Then make sure to ditch it well before respiratory in favor of Costanzo. So yeah, library copy is probably my suggestion.
 
this year's average in micro was an honors. nice.
 
Word to my friends in the classes of 2011 and 2012. Just thought I would post some books that I put up for sale on Craigslist in case anyone here would be interested. PM me with any questions.

I have 6 medical review texts for sale. These titles are especially handy for 3rd year medical students studying for shelf exams in their core clerkship courses. They are used in good condition with highlighting and underlining in several of them. Titles include:

LANGE Case Files Surgery (2nd edition, 2006)
LANGE Case Files Family Medicine (1st edition, 2006)
LANGE Case Files Psychiatry (2nd edition, 2006)
LANGE Case Files Obstetrics-Gynecology (2nd edition, 2006)
Blueprints Pediatrics (4th edition, 2006)
Blueprints Obstetrics-Gynecology (4th edition, 2006)

Asking $15 for each, or reduced price of $80 for the set of 6.
 
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