MD and DMD are both Clinical Doctors.

[Dr.p53]

The usual clinical doctors that we consult in the hospital for diseases like pneumonia, kidney stones, myocardial infarction (heart attack) etc are called PHYSICIANS(MD), while the Medical professionals that treat dental and oral diseases are called DENTISTS(DMD).
PHYSICIANS AND DENTISTS ARE BOTH CLINICAL DOCTORS. Thank you. ✌✌✌

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[BeaverLover]

So whats a DDS then????????

 

[Soleus715]

So whats a DDS then????????

DDS aren't just any doctors, they're surgeons

 

[ReptileDisfunction]

This is kind of the epitome of a 'Typical Annoying SDN Thread". IMO arguing either side of this is obnoxious. If you are saying MDs are 'the only doctor, DDSs are just posers!' you are a douchey MD with a superiority complex. If you are arguing that "DDS is just as good, we are the physicians of the mouth' you sound like you have a raging inferiority complex. 98% of the time you won't run into these problems in the real world, and if you do you are dealing with a douche, so all bets are off anyways.

Once I have my DDS people will call me Dr. ReptileDisfunction, but if I get referred to as A doctor I will probably specify that I am a dentist. Not because it is something lesser but because I don't want people pulling down their pants to show me their rashes haha.

 

[OhHamburgers]

I think this kind of dilemma is rather prevalent all over the internet, not just limited to SDN. Many, so many people are keep making posts, jokes, videos trying to say that MD is over DDS or DMD. Heck, even social media, a movie tries to convey message that dentist are not doctors. In real life as assistant I have seen a very few patients who don't call my dentist as doctor but the Internet and the media is becoming more powerful than ever, i am a little worried that what kind of perception of a dentist the younger generation will have when I become a dentist. I don't see why can't we all just get along. I will be fine as Mr. Hamburgers, but it is fascinating that some people are so incredibly persistent trying to argue that medical doctor over dentist. I just hope that those making such arguments are not actually doctors themselves but just trolls who claims to be doctors who didn't get into dental school, or angry patient who met a bad dentist.

 

[PocketRocket]

The usual clinical doctors that we consult in the hospital for diseases like pneumonia, kidney stones, myocardial infarction (heart attack) etc are called PHYSICIANS(MD), while the Medical professionals that treat dental and oral diseases are called DENTISTS(DMD).
PHYSICIANS AND DENTISTS ARE BOTH CLINICAL DOCTORS. Thank you. ✌✌✌

Gotta cite your sources before making claims like that

 

[Thanhn]

"Wait... so,

DDS = DO
DMD = MD

Applying only to schools that offer DMD because I'm not second rate."

Pretty much every thread in the Pre-Allopathic forum

 

[predent_mathlete]

Once I have my DDS people will call me Dr. ReptileDisfunction

I think you should go by Dr. Disfunction instead. Way cooler IMO

 

[BluntForceTrauma]

This is kind of the epitome of a 'Typical Annoying SDN Thread". IMO arguing either side of this is obnoxious. If you are saying MDs are 'the only doctor, DDSs are just posers!' you are a douchey MD with a superiority complex. If you are arguing that "DDS is just as good, we are the physicians of the mouth' you sound like you have a raging inferiority complex. 98% of the time you won't run into these problems in the real world, and if you do you are dealing with a douche, so all bets are off anyways.

Once I have my DDS people will call me Dr. ReptileDisfunction, but if I get referred to as A doctor I will probably specify that I am a dentist. Not because it is something lesser but because I don't want people pulling down their pants to show me their rashes haha.

Is it bad that every time I read " epitome" in my head, I read it "epi-tome" first, then have to correct myself?

 

[BetaHelix]

They are probably refering to "dentists" being clinical doctors. They are clinical doctors of dental anatomy but they aren't physicians. Kind of like podiatrists. They are clinical doctors of foot anatomy.

They are probably meaning that dentists have a doctorate degree in a health care field. Wouldn't podiatrists, pharmacists and the other doctorate health care prividers also be clinical doctors?

If you had a doctorate degree in some other discipline it wouldn't be "clinical" but maybe this question is best answered by Dr. Jones

 

[deleted659902]

All the fuss about semantics aside, the central theme behind "dentists aren't docs" notion may be that physicians in general deserve more respect from the public as their job has more direct association with life/death situations?

 

[Screwtape]

All the fuss about semantics aside, the central theme behind "dentists aren't docs" notion may be that physicians in general deserve more respect from the public as their job has more direct association with life/death situations?

So emts deserve the most respect?

 

[Dr.p53]

So whats a DDS then????????

DMD/DDM/DDM are all Clinical Doctors

 

[Dr.p53]

DDS aren't just any doctors, they're surgeons

In my opinion, a Doctor should call himself a "Surgeon" if he had taken a 1.Surgical residency and 2. After taking a Board Exam for surgeons.
again.. in my own opinion .

 

[Dr.p53]

This is kind of the epitome of a 'Typical Annoying SDN Thread". IMO arguing either side of this is obnoxious. If you are saying MDs are 'the only doctor, DDSs are just posers!' you are a douchey MD with a superiority complex. If you are arguing that "DDS is just as good, we are the physicians of the mouth' you sound like you have a raging inferiority complex. 98% of the time you won't run into these problems in the real world, and if you do you are dealing with a douche, so all bets are off anyways.

Once I have my DDS people will call me Dr. ReptileDisfunction, but if I get referred to as A doctor I will probably specify that I am a dentist. Not because it is something lesser but because I don't want people pulling down their pants to show me their rashes haha.

DMD/DDS/DDM are all Clinical Doctors. same with MD's and DO's

 

[Dr.p53]

I think this kind of dilemma is rather prevalent all over the internet, not just limited to SDN. Many, so many people are keep making posts, jokes, videos trying to say that MD is over DDS or DMD. Heck, even social media, a movie tries to convey message that dentist are not doctors. In real life as assistant I have seen a very few patients who don't call my dentist as doctor but the Internet and the media is becoming more powerful than ever, i am a little worried that what kind of perception of a dentist the younger generation will have when I become a dentist. I don't see why can't we all just get along. I will be fine as Mr. Hamburgers, but it is fascinating that some people are so incredibly persistent trying to argue that medical doctor over dentist. I just hope that those making such arguments are not actually doctors themselves but just trolls who claims to be doctors who didn't get into dental school, or angry patient who met a bad dentist.

Start it with your self. In my case , I'm always happy to teach confused people about Dentist being a clinical Doctor . It is an opportunity to educate them. PreDents and Dentists should start using the word PHYSICIAN when referring to MD's . and always be proud to call your self a Doctor . 🙂
1.PHYSICIAN(MD/DO)= Clinical Doctors
2Dentists(DMD/DDM/DDS) =Clinical Doctors

 

[Dr.p53]

"Doctor was in use for many centuries before there were universities, or degrees. It was used to refer to an especially learned person, one who was authorized and qualified to teach a particular subject. Which might be medicine, philosophy, theology, law, logic, history, etc."

http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/57387/which-was-the-first-doctor-m-d-or-ph-d

I address all my professors as doctor. I address my physician and dentist as doctor. Public misconception shouldn't confuse the origin of the term. Anyone who argues "dentists aren't real doctors" or any variant of that argument is simply misunderstood.

We are talking about Clinical Doctors and not the Academic Doctors . There's a huge difference between them .
1.Clinical Doctors =DMD/DDM/DDS/MD
2. Academic Doctors =PhD

 

[Soleus715]

In my opinion, a Doctor should call himself a "Surgeon" if he had taken a 1.Surgical residency and 2. After taking a Board Exam for surgeons.
again.. in my own opinion .

ummm I really hope you didn't take my post seriously. I am 100% joking around, hence the smug grin emoji.

there's zero difference between DMD and DDS. anyone with a hint of intelligence should know that.
I'd understand if patients get confused about it, but no healthcare professional should care about the "ranking"? of DMD vs DDS vs MD vs DO vs etc.
Good professionals are in this for the patients and that's what matters.

 

[Dr.p53]

They are probably refering to "dentists" being clinical doctors. They are clinical doctors of dental anatomy but they aren't physicians. Kind of like podiatrists. They are clinical doctors of foot anatomy.

They are probably meaning that dentists have a doctorate degree in a health care field. Wouldn't podiatrists, pharmacists and the other doctorate health care prividers also be clinical doctors?

If you had a doctorate degree in some other discipline it wouldn't be "clinical" but maybe this question is best answered by Dr. Jones

[/QPodiatrist are Clinical Doctors. but for pharmacist I don't agree.
*Podiatrist,Dentists,Physicians are Clinical Doctors because they allowed to 1)Diagnose diseases and other conditions,2) perform Physical exams(MD/DO/OMFS and some DDM/DMD/DDS who had Hospital residencis and DMD/DDM/DDS performs oral exams and sometimes head and neck exams ) 3)prescribe medicines 4)perform surgeries as a consultant or during residencies etc. 5. Some have hospital privileges such as admitting privileges, treat patient in the OR,ER and wards, request labs etc.
* Pharmacist don't diagnose diseases, perform surgeries and treat patients

 

[Dr.p53]

ummm I really hope you didn't take my post seriously. I am 100% joking around, hence the smug grin emoji.

there's zero difference between DMD and DDS. anyone with a hint of intelligence should know that.
I'd understand if patients get confused about it, but no healthcare professional should care about the "ranking"? of DMD vs DDS vs MD vs DO vs etc.
Good professionals are in this for the patients and that's what matters.

I'm answering your joke for the sake of correcting some confusions and not because I can't diagnose it as a joke 🙂

 

[Dr.p53]

I'm using the term "CLINICAL doctors" to different them from ACADEMIC doctors (PhD).
Clinical doctors such as Dentists,Physician(MD/DO) and Podiatrists 1.HAVE PATIENTS to treat,2. they diagnose clinically3. perform Physical exams(MD/DO/OMFS and some DDM/DMD/DDS who had Hospital residencis and DMD/DDM/DDS performs oral exams and sometimes head and neck exams ) 4.prescribe medicines 5.perform surgeries as a consultant or during residencies etc. 6. SOME have hospital privileges such as admitting privileges, treat patient in the OR,ER and wards, request labs etc.
.We stop public confusion about Dentist as clinical Doctors by educating our self first in order to educate others afterward . Dentist are Clinical Doctors and they should be proud and confident about it.
Cheers ! 🙂

 

[Dr.p53]

ummm I really hope you didn't take my post seriously. I am 100% joking around, hence the smug grin emoji.

there's zero difference between DMD and DDS. anyone with a hint of intelligence should know that.
I'd understand if patients get confused about it, but no healthcare professional should care about the "ranking"? of DMD vs DDS vs MD vs DO vs etc.
Good professionals are in this for the patients and that's what matters.

I Never said that DDS is different front DMD. Never! LoL and that is not the purpose of this post.
The goal of my post is educate the public about clinical doctors and differentiating them from academic doctors. This is not about DDS vs DMD or MD vs DO. No! Lol

 

[LaughingGas]

does it really matter? I am fine being called a dentist and not a doctor.

 

[Dr.p53]

does it really matter? I am fine being called a dentist and not a doctor.

It matters to me and to the other Dentists. Whats fine for you may not be fine for others. You're welcome.

 

[W19]

does it really matter? I am fine being called a dentist and not a doctor.

It's good that you're fine with it, but I don't think you should. You work hard to get the title and people should call you what you are. I am pretty sure you call you PhD professors Dr. [insert]... Once you start letting people play with semantics, they are going to use a clever word to put ALL healthcare professionals in the same 'box'.. This is what is happening in the MD/DO world now... Now some hospitals are using 'attending provider' instead of 'attending physician'. So provider can be NP/PA/MD/DO i.e no distinction for the patient who is not educated in healthcare BS (probably almost all)... Healthcare administrators just want cheap labor. They know if patients have a choice b/t a physician and a non physician, they will choose the former 9 times out of 10...

Let me give you an example: I see U Minnesota has some kind of dental master degree and from what I read, these people will have greater scope than dental hygienists... If this is something that has become widespread like NP/PA, insurance companies will come up with some clever tittle to put dentists in the same category with these professionals... Maybe they will use 'dental provider' so the public won't be able to make a distinction. Therefore, they will have another pool of 'providers' that will accept lower reimbursement...

When these insurance companies send the directory of dentists to consumers or whatever they happen to put online, they might put on top of the page:


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DENTAL PROVIDERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Fontanetta, DDS
2343 Bassota Ave
Miami, FL 76398
Phone: 756-673-8092


Paul Weinberger, MS
5673 Helmurst Street
Miami, FL 76389
Phone: 756-354-2354


Will most people be able to tell who is the dentist here?

/End of rant

 

[ajj70]

It's good that you're fine with it, but I don't think you should. You work hard to get the title and people should call you what you are. I am pretty sure you call you PhD professors Dr. [insert]... Once you start letting people play with semantics, they are going to use a clever word to put ALL healthcare professionals in the same 'box'.. This is what is happening in the MD/DO world now... Now some hospitals are using 'attending provider' instead of 'attending physician'. So provider can be NP/PA/MD/DO i.e no distinction for the patient who is not educated in healthcare BS (probably almost all)... Healthcare administrators just want cheap labor. They know if patients have a choice b/t a physician and a non physician, they will choose the former 9 times out of 10...

Let me give you an example: I see U Minnesota has some kind of dental master degree and from what I read, these people will have greater scope than dental hygienists... If this is something that has become widespread like NP/PA, insurance companies will come up with some clever tittle to put dentists in the same category with these professionals... Maybe they will use 'dental provider' so the public won't be able to make a distinction. Therefore, they will have another pool of 'providers' that will accept lower reimbursement...

When these insurance companies send the directory of dentists to consumers or whatever they happen to put online, they might put on top of the page:


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DENTAL PROVIDERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Fontanetta, DDS
2343 Bassota Ave
Miami, FL 76398
Phone: 756-673-8092


Paul Weinberger, MS
5673 Helmurst Street
Miami, FL 76389
Phone: 756-354-2354


Will most people be able to tell who is the dentist here?

/End of rant

Most people know the difference between a NP and an MD, I don't see that this would be any different. If your insecurities lie in being called a "doctor" vs a "dentist", well, get your MD then. Seriously, most people are going to call you Dr. So and So anyway, but refer to you as their "dentist" to their friends. What do you call your dentist? I call mine "Dr. Robb".

If we want to get into semantics, PhD's are also doctors......what do you call most of your prof's....most of mine go by Bob, Sue, etc. and not Dr. Whatever.

 

[matteral]

I find the hierarchy certain future doctors place themselves on hilarious. This certainly doesn't apply to everyone (or even most) but you get the premed that only considers MDs doctors, the dentist that only considers MDs and DDS/DMD doctors, the optometrist / chiro that only considers MDs, DDS/DMD, OD and CD's doctors (but not the PhDs) then the PhDs that consider anyone with a doctorate a doctor. I personally believe you either consider MDs doctors, or you consider everyone doctors (and this is coming from a predent).

 

[Incis0r]

It's good that you're fine with it, but I don't think you should. You work hard to get the title and people should call you what you are. I am pretty sure you call you PhD professors Dr. [insert]... Once you start letting people play with semantics, they are going to use a clever word to put ALL healthcare professionals in the same 'box'.. This is what is happening in the MD/DO world now... Now some hospitals are using 'attending provider' instead of 'attending physician'. So provider can be NP/PA/MD/DO i.e no distinction for the patient who is not educated in healthcare BS (probably almost all)... Healthcare administrators just want cheap labor. They know if patients have a choice b/t a physician and a non physician, they will choose the former 9 times out of 10...

Let me give you an example: I see U Minnesota has some kind of dental master degree and from what I read, these people will have greater scope than dental hygienists... If this is something that has become widespread like NP/PA, insurance companies will come up with some clever tittle to put dentists in the same category with these professionals... Maybe they will use 'dental provider' so the public won't be able to make a distinction. Therefore, they will have another pool of 'providers' that will accept lower reimbursement...

When these insurance companies send the directory of dentists to consumers or whatever they happen to put online, they might put on top of the page:


----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DENTAL PROVIDERS ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

John Fontanetta, DDS
2343 Bassota Ave
Miami, FL 76398
Phone: 756-673-8092


Paul Weinberger, MS
5673 Helmurst Street
Miami, FL 76389
Phone: 756-354-2354


Will most people be able to tell who is the dentist here?

/End of rant

I can see the point you are trying to make.
Before reading your post, I didn't care about what I would be called after completing dental school. However I never thought of the situation like the way you just presented it...which has changed my opinion.

Thank you for sharing your reasoning/backing up your claim!

 

[dp93]

they can call me a janitor as long as i get to keep my 40hrs/week and 6 figure salary 🙂

 

[W19]

they can call me a janitor as long as i get to keep my 40hrs/week and 6 figure salary 🙂

That is very naive... When they start calling you a janitor, your 40 hours won't worth 200k+/year... I think that's what many in the medical profession are missing!

 

[Dr.p53]

As a previous ICU and Ward Nurse in the Hospital, the reality is we consider Dentists and Physician(MD) as Doctors . They both Diagnose and treat patient in private and hospital setting

 

[Jbrowndds]

That is very naive... When they start calling you a janitor, your 40 hours won't worth 200k+/year... I think that's what many in the medical profession are missing!

That's absolutely right!!