MD AND DO RESIDENCY

[prettybaby73]

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Hi!

I was recently accepted into a BS/DO program down in South Florida. I am really interested in dermatology. Now, I know a lot of you are going to tell me that my interests may change. However, let's assume I was to stick with derm. If I attend a DO medical school but attend an MD residency, does that make me an MD in the end? What advantages would this afford me?

Also how competitive are DO vs MD residencies for derm?

lastly, if you attend an MD school, can you attend a DO residency? Thanks

 

[ERDOC555]

Hi!

I was recently accepted into a BS/DO program down in South Florida. I am really interested in dermatology. Now, I know a lot of you are going to tell me that my interests may change. However, let's assume I was to stick with derm. If I attend a DO medical school but attend an MD residency, does that make me an MD in the end? What advantages would this afford me?

Also how competitive are DO vs MD residencies for derm?

lastly, if you attend an MD school, can you attend a DO residency? Thanks

If you have the letters D.O. behind your degree your chances of Derm are practically 0 even with everything perfect, especially post merger.

D.O. Derm used to be a possibility for top D.O. students when they had their own protected residencies. However those will be shut down or converted by 2020, so you are out of luck.

 

[Anti-PD1]

If you got accepted to this program, you'll probably be able to get into MD school in 4 years. Work hard, frequent these forums, etc. Get into med school.

Then we can talk derm.

 

[Scrubs101]

Im assuming you got into NOVA's program right? If you were to graduate prior to 2020 id say it wouldnt be horrible to be gung-ho on derm at NOVA since they have a decent amount of in-house derm spots. But since youll be graduating well past the merger when the flood gates of uber solid MD derm candidates have access to those previously protected residencies, id suggest against it for now. Kill it in undergrad, prepare well for the MCAT, and get into MD. If you dont, then take what you can get. But its too early for you to commit one way or the other for now.


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[Drrrrrr. Celty]

If you have the letters D.O. behind your degree your chances of Derm are practically 0 even with everything perfect, especially post merger.

D.O. Derm used to be a possibility for top D.O. students when they had their own protected residencies. However those will be shut down or converted by 2020, so you are out of luck.

The match rate for DOs in ACGME Derm is low, but not zero. Almost no one applies however because it's safer to just go the AOA route.
Likewise it may be premature to assume that former AOA Derm will not still take predominantly DO students in recognition of the difficulty DOs see in matching into ACGME programs.

 

[flightnurse2MD]

Maybe "top" residencies but as a blanket statement this just isn't true. No one actually knows what post merger matches will look like. Will MD make it easier to do derm? Obviously. But say that the chances are 0 is grossly overstated.
Source: some who has had family members match into ACGME derm at "top" programs as DOs.
OP: If you are dead set with derm, I'd say be thinking only MD. This coming from someone who picked a DO school over an MD.
If you do go DO and end up getting into derm, you'll make the same beach and boat money. But may have a harder time with academic positions.

Yea- just do family practice and specialize in dermatology. Practically the same thing in rural underserved areas....

 

[Lucca]

Moving to PreOsteo

 

[flightnurse2MD]

But far from the same thing in "desirable" areas to live. Depends on what kind of life you want and where you want to work.

True, but a strong alternative for a DO applicant?

 

[Drrrrrr. Celty]

Yea- just do family practice and specialize in dermatology. Practically the same thing in rural underserved areas....

I've said it before, some form of lite-Dermatology should honestly exist as a 1 year fellowship for FM doctors. There's too great a deficiency for dermatological services in this country that FM should be able to do some procedural work on fixing cysts, pimples, and doing basic biopsies for irregularly shaped moles.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

If I attend a DO medical school but attend an MD residency, does that make me an MD in the end?

Lol no

What advantages would this afford me?

None

Also how competitive are DO vs MD residencies for derm?

The most competitive, and require top notch research

lastly, if you attend an MD school, can you attend a DO residency? Thanks

Doesn't matter, every residency will be "MD"

If you have the letters D.O. behind your degree your chances of Derm are practically 0 even with everything perfect, especially post merger.

I could say this same thing to any random MD student and I would be right 99% of the time.

 

[ghiblijiang]

If you want derm go to a good undergrad and apply MD. Your chance of matching derm is an order of magnitude better in an MD school compared to a DO school.

 

[Goro]

12% of Derm PDs (n=35, so very small N) will interview DOs; 9% will rank them. So Dermire is not 100% accurate, but pretty accurate.

Keep in mind that a lot of people will self-select away from Derm, so a superstar of a DO applicant might be able to crack open some doors. Clearly, there are Lotto winners, but ask God if you want to know what will happen after 2020 though.

If you have the letters D.O. behind your degree your chances of Derm are practically 0 even with everything perfect, especially post merger.

D.O. Derm used to be a possibility for top D.O. students when they had their own protected residencies. However those will be shut down or converted by 2020, so you are out of luck.

 

[OnePunchBiopsy]

If you're considering dermatology, I say go to an MD school. If you don't get into an MD school your first round, consider doing research in derm/derm path.

Delayed gratification sucks in the present, but pays off later.

 

[ERDOC555]

12% of Derm PDs (n=35, so very small N) will interview DOs; 9% will rank them. So Dermire is not 100% accurate, but pretty accurate.

Keep in mind that a lot of people will self-select away from Derm, so a superstar of a DO applicant might be able to crack open some doors. Clearly, there are Lotto winners, but ask God if you want to know what will happen after 2020 though.

I agree completely with what Goro said! I didn't mean to imply that DOs can't or don't match derm, I was implying that the odds of any 1 D.O. matching are very low. Thanks Goro for elaborating on specific numbers 🙂

Most MD schools will send a student or two to derm each year. Whereas each year, all the D.O. schools collectively will send a handful to ACGME derm.

My point still stands: Don't choose D.O. if you're set on Derm because it will make an already challenging task exponentially more difficult.

 

[GUH]

Results from the 2016 match: http://www.nrmp.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Main-Match-Results-by-State-and-Specialty-2016.pdf

4 Total DO matches into Derm through the NRMP match last year. 3 of those were for PGY-2 positions, 1 was for a program that takes physicians who have already completed residency.

There was not a single PGY-1 ACGME derm match for any DO anywhere across the country in 2016. At all.
And by the time the OP graduates medical school, AOA residency will no longer be an option.
I'm all for DOs but let's not give false hope.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

There was not a single PGY-1 ACGME derm match for any DO anywhere across the country in 2016

That's because the vast majority of ACGME derm spots are PGY-2... I'm all for realistic chances but let's also not misrepresent statistics. Not matching a PGY-1 derm spot means nothing because most MDs don't match those either. There were only 26 PGY-1 spits offered in 2016, 423 PGY-2 spots.

 

[GUH]

That's because the vast majority of ACGME derm spots are PGY-2... I'm all for realistic chances but let's also not misrepresent statistics. Not matching a PGY-1 derm spot means nothing because most MDs don't match those either. There were only 26 PGY-1 spits offered in 2016, 423 PGY-2 spots.

EDIT: If you think that means that ACGME Derm is realistic for DOs, I 'm not sure what could convince you otherwise. It's wrong but go ahead and see what happens if you apply.

 

[AnatomyGrey12]

EDIT: If you think that means that ACGME Derm is realistic for DOs, I 'm not sure what could convince you otherwise. It's wrong but go ahead and see what happens if you apply.

Did I ever say that? No? Ok then. All I did was correct your use of a worthless statistic. Any DO trying for ACGME derm is basically SOL unless they are a rockstar in all accounts, but using the lack of DO PGY-1 derm matches to prove that is stupid because derm is mostly a PGY-2 specialty.

 

[GUH]

Did I ever say that? No? Ok then. All I did was correct your use of a worthless statistic. Any DO trying for ACGME derm is basically SOL unless they are a rockstar in all accounts, but using the lack of DO PGY-1 derm matches to prove that is stupid because derm is mostly a PGY-2 specialty.

And DOs generally don't match into the PGY-2 spots, either. As I pointed out in my first post.

 

[JB50]

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