Originally posted by IRON_DUKE
ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY :
You guys jumped on her , in refernce to lola , is not accurate . I disagree with her logic . I would counter her logic or posts , but I would not attack her personally . When I do attack someone and believe me later on I feel it was pointless , is becasue the other person choose that route .
Now again I am not a ROSS med student or for that matter a Carib med student . Therefore me agreeing with SKIP INTRO , has nothing to do with us being a team .
I started the post cause I am sick of reading that AMGs feel they have cornered the PHYSICIAN MARKET . That only AMGs practice real medicine and the rest of the world graduates VOO DOO men and Wizards HARRY POTTER style .
If I am wrong about this , then why are even D.O.s who are also part of the AMG club , also looked down upon ?
ANYWHERE YOU TRAVEL IN THE WORLD , there are real physicians . And not all of them are AMGs . THAT IS A FACT .
And many FMGs go to the USA and do their speciality training , funny thing considering they are inferior , or not real physicians at all .
Will the whole issue be solved because I did this post and SKIP INTRO provided data and others submitted real world experience ?
NO . That is also a FACT .
The guy who is working at John Hopkins , well the naysayers dont know what to make of that . And since they cant find a way to explain that FACT away then they resort to attacking my sanity for even starting this post . Or skips for posting data .
That is also a FACT .
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Before I unsubscribe, I just want to wish all of you good luck. Debates and arguments aside, I really wish that everyone who has the heart and the desire to practice medicine will end up fulfilling their dreams.
In response to the above message, this is what i have to say:
The FACT is, real doctors practice everywhere in the world, and not of them are AMG's. True that. But just like America, every country in the world have their own jurisdictions, and train their own doctors through their own accredited medical schools, sanctioned by their government. Therefore in France, the French govt sanctioned their own list of medical schools and train the doctors that serves France, same with England, China, Canada, etc etc. Isn't it safe to say that the French medical school graduates have cornered the French market, etc etc? Isn't it justifiable for the AMG's to feel the same way about America? The truth is, the reason why there are a number of FMG's in this country (and I am not disputing this fact) is that it's relatively easier for foreign graduates to practice in the US, compared to other 1st world nations like Europe and Japan and Canada, in terms of bureaucracy - some countries like Canada wont even allow Canadian citizens who dont train in the LCME accredited med schools to obtain residency positions in Canada, period.
Many FMG's currently in practice now were FMG's from other, 1st world nations who came into the country during the late 60's and 70's when the country needs more doctors than the american medical schools can effectively provide. My classmate's dad, for example, is an Italian medical school graduate with license to practice in Italy, Switzerland and the US. A professor of surgery in my medical school is from Oxford medical school. These doctors are considered FMG's, and some didn't even do their residency in America, but does it mean they are inferior? Of course not. They meet the competition of that country to gain admissions to the med school (and believe me, in all other 1st world nations, it's just as competitive if not more so, than in US), and satisfied the requirements of a first world nation to become a physician in that nation. By the way, there is no discrimination shown to this group of doctors whatsoever.
Now, the second group of FMG's, the ones thats the subject of our discussion, are Americans who graduated from American college, and they can not meet the competition to gain admission to the US medical schools that are accredited by LCME. They typically have lower test scores, lower college grades , or have other things on their personal profiles that are less appealing for admissions to the US schools. They typically choose to attend the for-profit medical schools operated by Americans off shore in the Carribeans, the Phillippines or other non-1st world countries. These schools have questionable admissions standards (in terms of acceptance rate, MCAT's, GPA's, etc), questionable quality of education (ie. faculty to student ratio, students per cadaver, educational facilities, quality of library, etc etc etc), and questionable commitment to the success of students (ie. graduation rate, drop out rate, USMLE fail rate?) and inferior hospital training site compared to the US (ie. most carribean med schools are affliated with non-academic hospitals, most are not accredited by the residency matching process.) I can list a hundred more reasons, and these are facts that are backed up by documented sources. I am not saying the students who graduated from these schools are inferior, but I am saying that the training that this group of FMGs receive is inferior to those received by the AMG in an LCME accredited medical school. Note these are two different statements. And yes, discrimination is shown to this group of FMG's when they apply to residency positions, and beyond. And why wouldn't there be? Just look at the reasons above. I am not saying either it's right or wrong to discriminate, but why such discrimination exist.
Above all, I must say that there must be a few stand-outs who attended carribeans, but managed to perform well and is successful at residency and their medical career. Kudos to them! Everything in life has exceptions, but they are EXCEPTIONS rather than the norm.
