Med School and NCAA?

[hairlessmexican]

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hey would you be eligibile to compete in ncaa1 while in med school if you werent on any college team in ugrad? or if you did ugrad abroad? and if you are on a ncaa1 team, do u get free tuition?

 

[TheMemoirist]

All other things aside, it seems hard to imagine a student having time for Med School and being on a div. 1 sports team. Considering that both things are extremely time-consuming, I'd think that the two are mutually exclusive.

 

[Taliesinrk]

Not completely sure.. I do know that for Division I, however, you have 5 years from the start of your enrollment (i.e. freshman year) to complete your 4 years of eligibility. Otherwise you must apply for a waiver (i.e. medical redshirt).

 

[hairlessmexican]

Not completely sure.. I do know that for Division I, however, you have 5 years from the start of your enrollment (i.e. freshman year) to complete your 4 years of eligibility. Otherwise you must apply for a waiver (i.e. medical redshirt).

thanks. is it hard to get those waivers? is this rule designed so that people would graduate from ugrad in <6yrs or is it to keep older people from competing? and i have no idea what's a medical redshirt.

 

[hairlessmexican]

All other things aside, it seems hard to imagine a student having time for Med School and being on a div. 1 sports team. Considering that both things are extremely time-consuming, I'd think that the two are mutually exclusive.

not true. not all div1 teams are super competitive. if you're a good runner or swimmer, you can easily maintain certain standards.

 

[hairlessmexican]

http://www.techsideline.com/football/medicalredshirt.html
ok this explains the 5yr rule. but it says that's for athletes coming out of high school. it doesnt say anything about people who want to start competition later in college.

 

[hairlessmexican]

thanks, i did some further research. conclusion->ineligible.

 

[87138]

Nathan Brown of Wisconsin had 5th year NCAA eligibility and competed at a very high level in Track during his first year of med school. It's definitely doable, but not easy.

Sorry I didn't read the entire original post. Detmer was already an athlete in undergrad.

 

[167649]

hey would you be eligibile to compete in ncaa1 while in med school if you werent on any college team in ugrad? or if you did ugrad abroad? and if you are on a ncaa1 team, do u get free tuition?

In division 1A (football is all I know) you can redshirt out of your first year, then have four additional years on the full roster. Many fifth year seniors are graduate students. Additionally, you can have a medical redshirt. When you are injured before the third game (I think it is the third? maybe second, I'm not sure) and do not participate the rest of the season, you do not loose that year in eligibility, and you can do this once a career. So theoretically you can spread it out over six years, with both a redshirt and a medical, and occasionally people do that.

But why you would want to be a student athlete while in medical school is beyond me and probably impossible. I barely got by in college with that schedule.

 

[hairlessmexican]

In division 1A (football is all I know) you can redshirt out of your first year, then have four additional years on the full roster. Many fifth year seniors are graduate students. Additionally, you can have a medical redshirt. When you are injured before the third game (I think it is the third? maybe second, I'm not sure) and do not participate the rest of the season, you do not loose that year in eligibility, and you can do this once a career. So theoretically you can spread it out over six years, with both a redshirt and a medical, and occasionally people do that.

But why you would want to be a student athlete while in medical school is beyond me and probably impossible. I barely got by in college with that schedule.

i run for fun. might as well get credit for it. but ineligible, so never mind.

 

[chr123]

i run for fun. might as well get credit for it. but ineligible, so never mind.

If your med school is the same as your undergrad, then I think there is some wiggle room. This probably isn't the case.

 

[TheMemoirist]

not true. not all div1 teams are super competitive. if you're a good runner or swimmer, you can easily maintain certain standards.

Fair enough! I guess I was really thinking of the more popular sports--I'll admit to not considering swimming or track. (My bad--I'll watch my mouth next time!)

 

[jackets5]

I played D1A football and now a first year med student. Alot of guys do redshirt and take 5 years to graduate a few are graduate students when they are in their 5th year or try to complete another undergraduate degree. You do have 5 years of eligibilty to play 4 years. Your eligability clock starts the second you are enrolled as a full time college student. So you have 5 years from that date. The exception is for a medical redshirt. To receive a medical redshirt you pretty much need to be injured to the point we it took away 2 years of competitive action outside of your redshirt year.

Even if you had elegability to play, it is not possible at the NCAA divsion 1 level. When i played football consumed a good 20-30 hours a week offseason and about 30-40 hours inseason and during spring ball (not including travel time). Put that time and then say 30 hours in class, then studying, then playing its not possible. Both D1 sports and med school require the amount of attention and dedication that makes it absolutely impossible, no chance at all to be able to pull it off.

 

[87138]

Both D1 sports and med school require the amount of attention and dedication that makes it absolutely impossible, no chance at all to be able to pull it off.

. . .

Nathan Brown of Wisconsin had 5th year NCAA eligibility and competed at a very high level in Track during his first year of med school. It's definitely doable, but not easy.

I should also add that Brown was a national class DECATHLETE in track, which translates into even more time spent in practice than any other track athlete.

 

[87138]

http://www.uwalumni.com/?sectionpath=1/130/168/2240&pageid=5354&usermode=_printpreview

"Senior Nathan Brown was named Academic All-American of the Year for men’s track and field and cross country by ESPN The Magazine. This was the third first-team Academic All-American recognition for Brown, who competes in the decathlon, heptathlon and the javelin in track and field. Brown completed his undergraduate biochemistry degree with a 3.98 grade point average and earned a 4.0 in his first year in medical school while finishing his UW track and field career."

 

[hairlessmexican]

http://www.uwalumni.com/?sectionpath=1/130/168/2240&pageid=5354&usermode=_printpreview

"Senior Nathan Brown was named Academic All-American of the Year for men’s track and field and cross country by ESPN The Magazine. This was the third first-team Academic All-American recognition for Brown, who competes in the decathlon, heptathlon and the javelin in track and field. Brown completed his undergraduate biochemistry degree with a 3.98 grade point average and earned a 4.0 in his first year in medical school while finishing his UW track and field career."

no need to rub it in. i am a nobody🙁

 

[87138]

no need to rub it in. i am a nobody🙁

Haha, sorry . . . just wanted to point out that it most certainly is possible. But it's gotta be hard as ****.

 

[jackets5]

Okay its virtually impossible. But i was thinking more in the lines of a team sport. Track is an individual sport so you can arrange your workouts to fit into your schedule. I should have said to play something like football, basketball or baseball it would be absolutely impossible. I guess i could be done for a truly individual sport like track where you do not need anyone else but yourself for practice/workouts, but definately near to impossible and i doubt you could find more than 1 or 2

 

[PlAnEjaNe]

hey would you be eligibile to compete in ncaa1 while in med school if you werent on any college team in ugrad? or if you did ugrad abroad? and if you are on a ncaa1 team, do u get free tuition?

You can compete in NCAA div 1, 2 or 3 in any sport as long as the coach accepts you on the team. Athletes have a total of four years of eligibility in each sport. If you did one sport in ugrad, i.e. track, but were also decent at soccer, you could potentially compete for an additional four years in soccer, but not in track. I know many people that did two sports while in ugrad. The 'free tuition' thing should not be the reason why you want to compete. NCAA div 1 is highly competitive and will be physically and mentally challenging in of itself and to top it off with med school...I can't imagine having to do the training that I did in ugrad in addition to med school. I have taken the following from the NCAA website:


Graduate Student Eligibility

A student-athlete who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of the college or university which he/she previously attended as an undergraduate student may participate in intercollegiate athletics, provided he/she has eligibility remaining and is within five calendar years of initial full-time collegiate enrollment for Division I and within the first ten full-time semesters of collegiate enrollment for Divisions II and III.

A student-athlete who has eligibility remaining and is within the specified five-year or ten-semester period also may participate while enrolled in a graduate or professional school at a Division I or II college or university other than the institution at which he/she completed an undergraduate degree, provided he/she meets the criteria of the one-time transfer exception to the general transfer residence requirement. That exception is as follows:

* The student-athlete must be seeking to participate in a sport other than Division I football, basketball and men's ice hockey, except that a student-athlete who seeks to participate in Division I-AA football may use this exception only if transferring from a Division I-A program.
* The student-athlete may not have transferred previously from another four-year institution unless he/she transferred previously and received an exception to the transfer residence requirement because his/her institution either discontinued the sport or did not sponsor the sport in which the student-athlete is a participant.
* The student must have been in good academic standing and eligible to compete had he/she decided to remain at the previous institution.
* The student-athlete's previous institution must certify in writing that it has no objection to the student-athlete being granted an exception to the transfer residence requirement.

NOTE: This exception does not apply to a student-athlete who attends a Division III institution for graduate school, unless the student-athlete is attending the same institution at which he/she was an undergraduate.

NOTE: If the student-athlete transfers to the certifying institution from a Division III member institution and meets the above-mentioned conditions, he or she may be eligible to compete but may not receive athletically related financial aid during that year.

Please contact the certifying institution or conference for additional information. You also may contact the NCAA membership services staff at 317/917-6222 if you have further questions.



When they say 'years of eligibility remaining' they simply mean as long as you haven't completed the four years.

Also, full rides are hard to come by...you have to be pretty stellar to get that kind of offer and if you are that good you would have already been recruited and signed (letter of Intent) by a school.


PlAnEjaNe

 

[hairlessmexican]

When they say 'years of eligibility remaining' they simply mean as long as you haven't completed the four years.

Also, full rides are hard to come by...you have to be pretty stellar to get that kind of offer and if you are that good you would have already been recruited and signed (letter of Intent) by a school.


PlAnEjaNe

thanks!!
i thought what they meant was 5years from the start of your studies?? and in that case my time would have expired by the time i enrolled in med school. but if that's not the case, then i'd be eligible for 4 years?!

yeah full-ride is just wishful thinking🙂 i think being on a team and competing would still be fun though and would allow you to make friends in a new town... but of the schools ive looked at only 1 is a division1 school (the others dont even have an ugrad).

 

[PlAnEjaNe]

thanks!!
i thought what they meant was 5years from the start of your studies?? and in that case my time would have expired by the time i enrolled in med school. but if that's not the case, then i'd be eligible for 4 years?!

yeah full-ride is just wishful thinking🙂 i think being on a team and competing would still be fun though and would allow you to make friends in a new town... but of the schools ive looked at only 1 is a division1 school (the others dont even have an ugrad).

What they mean is that once you start your eligibility (whenever you decide) you have 5 years to complete your 4 years. This is really to curb people from participating in a sport for several years (red-shirting/gray-shirting for more than one year) and thus maintaining their status on the team, benefits and all.


I would advise to look more into div II or III because that sounds more along the lines of what you want: something organized, competitive, and has regularly scheduled competitions without the stress of absolute performance. Remember, you don't have to have a scholarship to compete on the team, you can always be a 'walk-on' (non-scholarship), you can contact the coach(es) of the schools you are interested in and see what they say....just make sure you register with the national clearinghouse so you or the coach(es) don't break any recruitment rules 😉


PlAnEjaNe

 

[jackets5]

You read the rule wrong. It is 5 years from the moment that you are enrolled as a full-time student at D1. Example, i was injured in the summer before my freshman year of college. I came into school as a "greyshirt" where you enroll in say 9 or 11 credits and you are a part-time student, then enroll full-time in january. that way you get to be on campus in the program but your "clock" dosent start till that january and you keep that year of eligablity. It dosent matter if you play football for 5 years then you want to go play baseball after that. You cant cause you eligabilty is done, finished, no more. For D2 or 3 i think its just 10 full-time semesters whether you play anything or not. Not totally sure about that but for D1 im 100% positive.

 

[Taliesinrk]

You read the rule wrong. It is 5 years from the moment that you are enrolled as a full-time student at D1. Example, i was injured in the summer before my freshman year of college. I came into school as a "greyshirt" where you enroll in say 9 or 11 credits and you are a part-time student, then enroll full-time in january. that way you get to be on campus in the program but your "clock" dosent start till that january and you keep that year of eligablity. It dosent matter if you play football for 5 years then you want to go play baseball after that. You cant cause you eligabilty is done, finished, no more. For D2 or 3 i think its just 10 full-time semesters whether you play anything or not. Not totally sure about that but for D1 im 100% positive.

That's correct. The poster with the grad school info is incorrect. You could not play football for 4 years and then soccer for anther 4 at the D1 level... I'm not sure you could do it at any level, but I know you can't at the D1 level.