Med School grading system: P/F vs. Grades

pocwana · May 18, 2002

Hi you guys,
I've searched, but haven't found a thread that covers this.
Can people post the grading systems for med schools? From a few med students I've talked to at UCLA, some have ultimately decided upon the school because they are P/F. (I don't know if it's Honors, too.)
This is a little early to worry about this for me, if I need to worry about it at all, since I'm AMCAS2003, but I think it would be nice to know.
So, to start the list:

UCLA P/F

Thanks! 😀

Aria111 · May 18, 2002

Adding UCI, UCD, and U.Miami

So, to start the list:

UCD P/F
UCLA P/F
UCI H/P/F
U Miami grades...i think :wink:

Laura JC · May 18, 2002

UCD P/F
UCLA P/F
UCI H/P/F
U Miami grades...i think :wink:
Wayne State H/P/F

BlackPuma · May 18, 2002

MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F
UCI H/P/F
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Doctora Foxy · May 18, 2002

Adding UF and CMS--both grades...by the way, all of this info is usually listed in the MSAR under "curriculum" for each school 🙂

Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

pocwana · May 18, 2002

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Doctora Foxy:
•by the way, all of this info is usually listed in the MSAR under "curriculum" for each school 🙂
•••••I have seen it for some of the schools. I'm just lazy sometimes 😀 and like things easily accessible.

Thank you guys for all of your help!

GeoffDevil · May 18, 2002

Adding Emory's old-school system.

Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (asked tour guide(Scott), secret ranking, top 10% get awards second year)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Jalby · May 18, 2002

Hate to say this, but UCLA is not a real P/NP, as the people will find out who go there soon enough (a month into classes). Some of there classes have optional grades, and they are never really optional. I'll put a * next to them.

And for USC, it's not a secret ranking. The top ten % gets an award based only on two tests at the end of the year. Whatcha got his info from a second year who are under a different system then 1st years and future classes.
Adding a few schools:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

djipopo · May 18, 2002

Adding Howard with Honors, Pass, Fail

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]

atsai3 · May 18, 2002

Jalbrekt,

CWRU is P/F for the first two "non-clinical" years, but the 3rd and 4th year clerkships are graded (honors commendable pass fail).

For anybody who has posted the other schools' grading systems posted, are you aware of any grading distinctions between the first two years and last two years?

Cheers
-a.

chak_de_phatee · May 18, 2002

Added Stanford from what I have heard.

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Stanford p/f
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]

randomlogik · May 18, 2002

Adding Hopkins, grades

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Stanford p/f
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]

Schubie · May 18, 2002

Chicago-Pritzker is P/F.

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Stanford p/f
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

rajneel1 · May 19, 2002

hopkins just changed their grading to honors/high pass/pass/low pass/no pass or something to that extent (basically grades). it is in their constitution that their students will be graded. stanford is P/F for all 4 years without ranking. some of the UCs are H/P/F for the clinical years. harvard is P/F and then H/P/F for the clinical years.

BlackPuma · May 19, 2002

•••quote:•••Originally posted by bonecutter:
•Someone posted that Columbia is p/f. Only half true. The first year is p/f and maybe the second will be soon but the 3rd and 4th years are h/p/f (thank our lucky stars!)

Bonecutter•••••ok surprise surprise....why is that what Jalbrekt and bonecutter said arent a surprise

it seems like we will be RANKED no matter what!!!

ok pple

then u all know from now...even if u go pass/no pass, U ARE STILL RANKED!!!

so that basically means grades for another 4 years....yuk!!!

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pocwana · May 19, 2002

i always thought it was odd to not be on an A-F scale, but instead to be high honors/honors/pass/fail...
there are so many classifications, is there really any difference?

STi555 · May 19, 2002

•••quote:•••Originally posted by pocwana:
•i always thought it was odd to not be on an A-F scale, but instead to be high honors/honors/pass/fail...
there are so many classifications, is there really any difference?•••••My theroy would be because many students will be happy with pass or honors whereas medical students are not used to getting C's. For an A-F system to meaningful many students would have to get C's and they wouldn't like that whereas people can deal with a pass (P=MD).

Nuclearrabbit · May 19, 2002

The pass/fail grading system has the advantages of fostering a less competitive academic environment while trying to foster collaborative learning. However, all schools that i know of have a class rank still, and track your progress throughout the years. AOA still exists at schools with P/F, and they are able to do so because of this internalized class ranking. In addition, the letter from the dean sent to your residency programs will undoubtably reveal to the committee how well you performed. Also, residency directors will put more reliance on the USMLE step I in evaluating you.

Yet i believe that P/F DOES make the environment less competitive, and puts less stress on medical students. Rather than trying to beat your peers, you simply need to learn as much as you can, and try to stomp the boards.

Personally, i found the p/f vs letter grade, a very important factor in deciding which medical school to attend. i don't want to be stressed out every couple weeks trying to honor a class because i want to do a competitive match. rather, i can focus on learning as much as i can, working with my classmates and channel my competitive spirit into killing the boards, and not my classmates.

LONG LIVE P/F!!!
:clap:

deleted4401 · May 19, 2002

Tulane is H/HP/P/C/F ... for many, many years. And 70% is the pass line. So, someone correct that.

Later

Katie · May 19, 2002

Adding Tufts, SLU, Maryland, and PSU:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]

bonecutter · May 19, 2002

You will be evaluated. Take away honors and you still must somehow be differentiated from the rest of the pack. If there were no way to differentiate you from other students from your school and from other schools it will severely limit your appeal to residency directors. They are looking for proven performers. Take away honors and you take away one opportunity to prove your capabilities. Also, in support of p/f, someone said:
•••quote:••• i can focus on learning as much as i can, working with my classmates and channel my competitive spirit into killing the boards, and not my classmates.
••••While this may be true for this individual, in general when there is no incentive to excel, the group will drop to the lowest common denominator and do just enough to pass, which has frightening implications for performance on boards etc.

One final thing, I just recently sat down for my dean's interview preparatory to entering next years match, and while I did not honor every course, I was very glad to see the ones I had coloring my transcript.

Bonecutter

pocwana · May 19, 2002

thanks to all for the truth behind the p/f
i still hope to get into a school with this system.

praying mantis · May 19, 2002

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia Now P/F
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE][/QB][/QUOTE]

atsai3 · May 19, 2002

Revising CWRU:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Wednesday · May 19, 2002

Adding Jefferson

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Jalby · Jun 9, 2002

This is very usefull in picking what schools to apply to.

Whisker Barrel Cortex · Jun 9, 2002

Correcting MCW

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Femtochemistry · Jun 9, 2002

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Whisker Barrel Cortex:
•Correcting MCW

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F•••••

Bonds756 · Jun 10, 2002

Adding U Penn

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Femtochemistry:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB]••••

KDocGirl · Jun 12, 2002

Adding GWU

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Wendy926 · Jun 12, 2002

Adding Mercer:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Papi · Jun 12, 2002

Adding Yale University

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F
Yale University P/F

ellerose · Jun 14, 2002

Not sure if I am doing this right. Add Mayo with P/F for first year (this year is the first year). I believe they are still toying with the idea of extending P/F to second year. If I am right, I believe 3-4th years are graded.

•••quote:•••Originally posted by Wendy926:
•Adding Mercer:

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F•••••

Jim Picotte · Jun 15, 2002

Adding Michigan State-CHM

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years)
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

MSTP boy · Jun 15, 2002

nice thread - but no need to stress. ultimately it's your usmle scores which are most important in determining nrmp ranking. so don't sweat classes too badly.

Katie · Jun 15, 2002

revising some info on Tufts.

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE]

nap · Jun 15, 2002

editing Pitt

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F[/QB][/QUOTE][/QB][/QUOTE]

ComplexPuzzle · Jul 20, 2002

this list is real helpful but i didnt see one of my schools maybe just missed it. oh well.

Bikini Princess · Jul 20, 2002

What about which schools grade on curves? 😕

I've heard that this is more important than the grading system, because the average score for med school tests tends to be somewhat low. Schools which don't curve tend to have a higher % of dropouts (ie Jefferson).

mikegoal · Jul 20, 2002

adding SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami grades...i think
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

CANES2006 · Jul 20, 2002

Reaffirming UMiami's grading policy

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/P/F
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Papa Smurf · Jul 20, 2002

Originally posted by CANES2006

U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)

&$#&**(#$&**(#$&**(#$&*(!!!!!!!!!

tristate · Jul 21, 2002

Adding Texas Tech Grades (year 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
* this policy will change for the class of 2007

Baylor High Honors/Honors/High Pass/Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/P/F
Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

Trek · Jul 21, 2002

I dunno who put in the baylor, but it's wrong: should be Honors, High Pass, Pass, Marginal Pass, Fail. I know- blows. --Trek

Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, grades
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/P/F
Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

nylee · Jul 21, 2002

I think that Hopkins just changed from grades to H/HP/P/F this year...and University of Washington is H/P/F

Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, H/HP/P/F
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/P/F
Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
U Wash H/P/F
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F [/B][/QUOTE]

CANES2006 · Jul 21, 2002

Originally posted by Papa Smurf
&$#&**(#$&**(#$&**(#$&*(!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, I know. But, IMO, it's a small price to pay in exchange for the sun, experience, and location. 😎

Lara · Jul 21, 2002

Correcting Temple - there's a high pass too. 🙂

Baylor Honors/High Pass/Pass/Marginal Pass/Fail
Case Western 1-2yr P/F, 3-4yr H/C/P/F
Chicago-Pritzker P/F
Columbia H/P/F except for first year
Emory A,B,C,F
Finch/Chicago Med A,B,C,F
George Washington H/P/C/F
Hopkins, H/HP/P/F
Howard H/P/F
Jefferson H/P/F
Mayo P/F 1st year (maybe 2nd year); graded 3rd and 4th years
MCW Honors/High Pass/Pass/Low Pass/Fail
Mercer Satisfactory/UnSat. (Clinical-H/HP/P/F)
Michigan 1st yr p/f, rest grades
Michigan State-CHM 1-2yr P/F, 3-4 yr H/P/F rankings based on clinical years for Dean's letter
Penn State H/HP/P/F
Pitt H/P/F-1st 2 yrs, then Honors, High P, Pass, Low Pass, Fail
Saint Louis U H/P/F-60% pass, some rankings
Stanford p/f
SUNY upstate H/HP/P/F
Temple H/HP/P/F
Texas Tech Grades (years 1-3), H/P/F (year 4)
Tufts H/P/F (NO ranking whatsoever during 1st 2 years), H/HP/P/F during clinical years
Tulane A/B/C/D/F
UConn P/F (no rankings)
UCSF P/F (asked tour guide, secret ranking, top 10% get ranked)
USC P/F (graded on 2 year end tests)
UCD P/F
UCLA P/F (there are rankings)
UCI H/P/F
U Florida Grades
U Maryland Grades
U Miami Grades (in terms of percentages)
U Penn H/P/F (just P/F half of 1st year)
U Wash H/P/F
Vanderbild grades
Wayne State H/P/F

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