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Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.
 
Great post. Good luck with your residency interviews.
 
Thanks for the honest post. Best of luck for residency and beyond!
 
Good post... yeah SDN definitely does not represent normal premeds, or normal people for that matter.
 
One of the best post I have read on SDN. Thank you for taking the time out to type this. Much appreciated. 🙂
 
Just sublime. Good luck with residency applications.
 
I'm a second year, so I may be a bit naive. But I would add a bit to number 1.

Certainly don't get your hopes up, but positive early contact is possible. We have a required class second semester of first year and first semester of second year where we are paired with a preceptor. It's kind of luck of the draw, but some preceptors let you do more than others. One semester, I didn't do much except watch, though it was a good experience. The other semester, I was able to be the first to go in the room (it was the ER) and take a history, and I was allowed to do the physical exam up to the point I was comfortable with (we learned most of it first year). I would then present to the attending, and we would go back in, ask a few more questions and complete the exam. We also have a free clinic where students can volunteer that works very much like this.

Is this going to even begin to prepare you for third year? No. Is this a reason to pick a school? Probably not. But if you are excited about the prospect of early experiences, ask students specifically about their experiences, and you can get a vibe about how worthwhile they are. We had other "clinical" experiences as well that were very much like the OP described that seemed like a waste of time, still it is always a bit refreshing to put down the books and put on your short, white coat, even if you don't do much. Sometimes it's the small things that keep you motivated.

Again, I agree that it is overemphasized, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't consider it.

Overall, a very good post 👍
 
A very sobering and unfortunately accurate post. When your conclusion is "maybe I threw away my 20s", that's never a good thing.
 
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Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.

GREAT post man. One of the best ones ive read on here recently (sadly not saying much)...but still spot on. Your description of your early clinical contact mirrored mine: standing there being like wtf do I do. You arent a premed anymore so you cant really fall into the shadowing role but you are barely a med student.

#6: To reiterate what you said MED SCHOOL ISNT HORRIBLE. I worked prior to med school for a long time so let me compare it to a normal 8h a day punch the clock job: you cant. Its not nearly as bad. There are long hours and lots of studying but I went out just as much I did as when I was working. I kept in touch with my family, friends, wife etc. I have 3 dogs and had plenty of time during m1/m2. As a current M3 halfway done (and having done the "killer" rotations) I still have had plenty of time this year. I think its such a shock to many people because they came from the cush life of undergrad and the monotony of "punching a clock" day in and day out with no real control over your life is difficult to swallow. But if youve had a job that is more than a summer job M3 will not be bad for you.

Like OP said, med school is what you make of it. If you want to be a high strung grade obsessed maniac you can, and your life will be miserable. Youll easily recognize these types on campus. They always look like they are pacing around waiting for confirmation that the enola gay has dropped the bomb...or something equally as important....when in reality they are stressing over their 10 question histo quiz. Ive found med school to be some of the best years ive had yet. Pretty relaxed experience overall. Ive done well, and am happy with my step 1 scores...cant really complain there. With some good time management you can do well in med school, and have a great life too. GL!

Great post again OP!


OH and the bolded is SPOT fcking on. Gotta love being lectured to by a LPN because you accidentally left the packaging to an IV start kit in a bed...."would you go into your mothers house and leave your trash around?"
 
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Me thinks that this should be a front page article, complete with picture 🙂 Thanks, t'was a GREAT read.
 
I feel like this should be stickied.
 
Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.

Great post, thank you OP.

Me thinks that this should be a front page article, complete with picture 🙂 Thanks, t'was a GREAT read.

+1.
 
I feel like people should stop quoting the whole damn thing.

Great post though.
 
Great post, I really enjoyed reading this.
 
GREAT post man. One of the best ones ive read on here recently (sadly not saying much)...but still spot on. Your description of your early clinical contact mirrored mine: standing there being like wtf do I do. You arent a premed anymore so you cant really fall into the shadowing role but you are barely a med student.

#6: To reiterate what you said MED SCHOOL ISNT HORRIBLE. I worked prior to med school for a long time so let me compare it to a normal 8h a day punch the clock job: you cant. Its not nearly as bad. There are long hours and lots of studying but I went out just as much I did as when I was working. I kept in touch with my family, friends, wife etc. I have 3 dogs and had plenty of time during m1/m2. As a current M3 halfway done (and having done the "killer" rotations) I still have had plenty of time this year. I think its such a shock to many people because they came from the cush life of undergrad and the monotony of "punching a clock" day in and day out with no real control over your life is difficult to swallow. But if youve had a job that is more than a summer job M3 will not be bad for you.

Like OP said, med school is what you make of it. If you want to be a high strung grade obsessed maniac you can, and your life will be miserable. Youll easily recognize these types on campus. They always look like they are pacing around waiting for confirmation that the enola gay has dropped the bomb...or something equally as important....when in reality they are stressing over their 10 question histo quiz. Ive found med school to be some of the best years ive had yet. Pretty relaxed experience overall. Ive done well, and am happy with my step 1 scores...cant really complain there. With some good time management you can do well in med school, and have a great life too. GL!

Great post again OP!


OH and the bolded is SPOT fcking on. Gotta love being lectured to by a LPN because you accidentally left the packaging to an IV start kit in a bed...."would you go into your mothers house and leave your trash around?"

Please keep posting stuff like this to give us pre-meds some hope! I've had so many **** jobs for $7.25 an hour with 12-14 hour shifts at ungodly times just to stay alive during undergrad while volunteering, spending time with the girl, and keeping a 3.9. In my mind, med school will be a thousand times better than that, but sometimes I wonder when I read how miserable people say it is!
 
I think its such a shock to many people because they came from the cush life of undergrad and the monotony of "punching a clock" day in and day out with no real control over your life is difficult to swallow. But if youve had a job that is more than a summer job M3 will not be bad for you.

As a non-trad, I hope this is true. I have suspected that because so many med students have never had a real job they are just shocked by being a part of the working world.
 
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Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.



Great post! Thanks for posting it.

I will add in that I think your first point is probably school specific. Your description of early clinical experience does not sound like our early clinical experience at all. What you describe sounds like an observership/shadowing sort of system. I've always hated that sort of thing. Here, our first semester early clinical experience is primarily vitals, patient interviewing (in workshops with standardized pts, small group settings with other med students, and through lectures), public health (e.g., involvement in screenings), opportunities to learn basic procedures (e.g., IVs, IM injections, EKGs), and working in a clinic paired with an M3 or P3. Perhaps my background as an EMT helps me get more out of this, but I find it to be a good learning experience. Sure, it won't necessarily make me a better doctor but it does help me to maintain my EMS skills while learning to extend them to clinical medicine, which I suspect will make the M3 transition more seamless. I suspect that for my classmates without a clinical background, the early experience working w/ pts is especially helpful b/c it allows them to learn necessary soft skills and to connect the dots b/w their preclinical knowledge base and clinical presentations. It also helps that they have lined up cases in standardized pts with our overall preclinical curriculum so that disease processes we learn about in class are also what we see in standardized pts.
 
As a non-trad, I hope this is true. I have suspected that because so many med students have never had a real job they are just shocked by being a part of the working world.

I definitely agree with this. Having no job, or just a very small part-time job while in undergrad, and then going to a full-time job that is med school is a huge transition.

Thank you for this post, Anon. Very enlightening and hopeful.
 
As a non-trad, I hope this is true. I have suspected that because so many med students have never had a real job they are just shocked by being a part of the working world.

I worked for 5 years prior to med school and trust me....m3 isnt bad when you are used to putting in long hours. Hell, ive only had 3 rotations where I was REQUIRED to be in the hospital all day every day. Every other one I get booted early it seems like or have days off. I am on anesthesia right now.....how does 7-1230 or about 2pm max sound? Yeah...nuff said.
 
Please keep posting stuff like this to give us pre-meds some hope! I've had so many **** jobs for $7.25 an hour with 12-14 hour shifts at ungodly times just to stay alive during undergrad while volunteering, spending time with the girl, and keeping a 3.9. In my mind, med school will be a thousand times better than that, but sometimes I wonder when I read how miserable people say it is!

No problem. Everyones milage may vary when it comes to med school. Depends how important grades are to you. (preclinical grades are basically the LEAST important part of your residency app). Studying efficiency is of utmost importance. I never went to class and webstreamed all my lectures on 1.5x. I never studied with others and would study alone in my house....my wife works so I was alone constantly. I found most days I would watch lecture and study about 4 to 5 hours max. Some days more some days less or not at all. Just gotta figure out what works out for you. But med school is DEF manageable and you can easily keep doing all the old stuff you used to do prior to med school if you do it right.
 
Very scared and nervous to start medical school but also excited, Thank You ! This makes me feel alot better
 
Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.

Great post!
 
Hey guys,

I used to be an extremely faithful member of this site as a premed, and I'm now a fourth year at a great med school. I made up an anonymous name because it's application time and I'd like the fewest number of people possible to associate me with my old SN (since many who know that SN also know me in person).
I'm writing this post because for a long time I have wanted to write an almost blog post-like list of things I used to believe were true about med school that were either completely incorrect or at least incomplete. I hope that some of this hard-fought knowledge will help at least one of you be a little more ready for the journey you're about to embark on (even though it's true what they say- you really don't know until you get here).

1) Early patient contact is important

I remember reviewing med school curricula with a fine-tooth comb and looking through the websites for that magical phrase, like "clinical experience starting your first day of first year" or "patient contact from matriculation!". I get it guys, you want to move ahead with your lives, past the abstract world of physics and orgo and into clinical medicine. A part of you figures you'll be the med student who changes lives the first week, who gets to do CPR on the dying patient, who comforts families and impresses everyone with your innate clinical skills. However, let me tell you what early clinical experiences are. They basically involve you standing there awkwardly behind an attending and wondering what your role is. You try to memorize where the attending puts the stethoscope, where he palpates the abdomen, the phrases he uses to calm the patient down. But you don't really know what's going on, what to listen for, what to palpate for, or why those phrases work. No matter how much shadowing you've done, you just don't know what medicine is. And I'm here to tell you that IT'S OK. No one knows. That's why you're there! To learn! Just because a while ago you decided you were premed, it doesn't mean you were imbued with medical knowledge. I'm not saying hanging out with patients and MD's and getting to look forward to what you're going to do ad nauseam soon enough isn't cool, but it's time-consuming. And what you'll need/want most of all from the beginning is time- to study, to adjust, to party, whatever- and I swear you will soon resent those 3 hours in the afternoon that you have to spend staring awkwardly at the attending, nodding your head and wondering when you can go home and review anatomy.

2) Your performance in college will equal your performance in med school/ Your MCAT performance will equal your performance on Step 1/ Step 2.

Sorry guys. You're smart, or else you wouldn't even be considering this crazy path. You're hardworking, or you wouldn't be in med school. Chances are your classmates are just about as smart as you are and just as hard-working. Don't put enormous amounts of pressure on yourself on day 1 because you've always been the best before and you're terrified of falling behind. It's a marathon, not a sprint. Try to find a work/life balance from the beginning or you'll burn out by October of your first year. On the other hand, don't slack off thinking you'll catch up- you won't. Some of the more successful med students I know simply treated school like a job- basically they worked 8-6pm (our lectures generally finished at noon). Try to be consistent and steady. Figure out what works and stick with it. Don't stress so much in the beginning about scores and numbers and grades- you'll soon realize it's ultimately irrelevant as long as you're somewhere in the middle of the pack in your first 2 years. The people I know who struggled the most were either those who after 4 years of doing nothing but studying figured "ok I'm done, now I can finally relax and enjoy this med school thing" and on day one of biochem said "oh I know all this, I'm good, it's just review, my biochem class in college was really hard" then got their asses kicked, or those who came in guns blazing having always had great grades and expecting the same results, and started to have nervous breakdowns on every exam. Don't be those people, and you'll be ok.

3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

4) You will be learning something useful every day.

False. A nice thought, but false. A lot of what you learn in the first two years is mostly foundational- you need to understand basic biochem and genetics to understand physiology and pathology to then figure out management. Will you ever use it again? No. Will you forget it 2 days after the test? Probably. The concepts are in your head, and the details you can reviw before the boards. Not everything you learn is useful, guys, but you do still have to learn it. This is one of those "suck it up, you're in med school" type things. You're often going to wonder why you're memorizing stuff that you know you can (and will) google as a physician or that you'll never ever see again depending on what you go into. It is what it is.

5) You know you want to be a doctor. You also think you know what kind of doctor you want to be.

Honestly, you don't. Some med schools (i think mine as well) do this exercise apparently where toward the end of your fourth year they send you a copy of your personal statement from when you were applying to med school. Most people come to the conclusion that they really had no idea what they were getting themselves into. AGAIN, THIS IS OK. I don't mean that in a bad way, and I know it probably sounds super patronizing. There literally is NO way to know what kind of doctor you'll be or what that word will mean to you until you're there. I have been interested in my specialty for a long time now, but do I KNOW this is the best one for me? No. Of course not. I'm not a doctor in that specialty yet. I don't know what I'll be like, how happy I'll be, or how happy I would have been doing anything else. Naivete is not a bad thing, and passion for what you think you want to be is what drives most of us, so embrace it. Just know in the back of your mind that you may be surprised by what's coming and how much you'll love/hate it. There are at least 3 people in my class who are now going into something other than clinical medicine- they all wrote a personal statement about how much they couldn't wait to be around patients and healing the sick, etc. They had no idea they'd go into consulting or administration or research. Keep an open mind.

6) You will hate your life and work like never before every single day. Everyone will be out to get you.

This is a popular sentiment on this forum, and let me tell you, when i started med school after a year or so of being on here all the time, I was PETRIFIED. I basically told my family I loved them and prepared for death.
Look, I went out a lot as a first year. Not as much as I would have had I not been in med school, but I had a life. Second year, a little less. Third year, almost not at all (but I liked my life a little better, which helped). Now I have plenty of time. There are bad weeks and not so bad weeks. If you're smart, you get into a good routine that makes the bad weeks a little more manageable and less filled with last-minute cramming. You will likely study more than you ever have sometimes, and other times it won't be as bad as that one godawful class you took in college. You can do book-learnin' at this point, it's not a great mystery. Some things are inherently trickier in med school (anatomy comes to mind), but otherwise for the most part it'll be a lot of sitting around reading as long as you can stomach it, then living your life.
Third year is different in that it is a giant time-suck, but even as a third year you'll have easier rotations and tougher rotations, easier days and worse days. You'll have a day off per week. It'll become your life, and you'll deal with it as long as you semi-like what you're doing (or it'll feel like drudgery).
That being said, I wanted to quit at least 50 times since I got here. I even met with my Dean a few times to discuss my plan B- and when I realized I still wanted to be a physician- or at least try- I'd skulk back to the library. There are days when you feel like you can't look at another book, and you can't stand your classmates and seeing them every single bloody day, and you hate your residents and no one cares or notices how hard you're working. There are times you work your butt off and don't do well anyway, and the guy sitting next to you who you swear is definitely dumber than you are does way better. Some days you get yelled at for no reason, and some days you realize that you really are the bottom of the totem pole even after 7 years of post-high school education while some members of the staff who went through 2 years of community college get to bitch at you for not doing everything perfectly. You miss pimp questions you swear you knew a week ago, you get the crappy rotation assignment while your classmate gets out 5 hours earlier than you every day and does better on the final cause he had more time to study, you realize a resident is wrong in what he teaches you and you look like an idiot when you repeat it to an attending. ALL OF THIS HAS HAPPENED TO ME MULTIPLE TIMES. IT SUCKS SOMETIMES. It's ok to be frustrated, to want to quit, to cry, to complain, to hate your life. It's ok to feel like you threw your 20s away. Just keep chugging. It gets better, then worse, then better again, etc. I've had some really good days here, too. I've had really great conversations with people and I've learned a ton and I've made some cool diagnoses. I've gotten some great evaluations and I got some attendings to be in my camp and I had some personal victories with subjects I found difficult. There are good and bad days, I promise you.

Ok, this is what I can think of right now (I'm sleepy, so I hope it makes sense...). Keep working hard, guys. Don't obsess too much and try to ride out some of the stress. Try to keep a balance. And let me know if you have any questions.

The whole bolded part stressed me out just reading it :laugh: Amazing post, thank you!
 
This is a really great post, but the fact that everyone is quoting it takes forever to find the newest response.
 
GREAT post man. One of the best ones ive read on here recently (sadly not saying much)...but still spot on. Your description of your early clinical contact mirrored mine: standing there being like wtf do I do. You arent a premed anymore so you cant really fall into the shadowing role but you are barely a med student.

#6: To reiterate what you said MED SCHOOL ISNT HORRIBLE. I worked prior to med school for a long time so let me compare it to a normal 8h a day punch the clock job: you cant. Its not nearly as bad. There are long hours and lots of studying but I went out just as much I did as when I was working. I kept in touch with my family, friends, wife etc. I have 3 dogs and had plenty of time during m1/m2. As a current M3 halfway done (and having done the "killer" rotations) I still have had plenty of time this year. I think its such a shock to many people because they came from the cush life of undergrad and the monotony of "punching a clock" day in and day out with no real control over your life is difficult to swallow. But if youve had a job that is more than a summer job M3 will not be bad for you.

Like OP said, med school is what you make of it. If you want to be a high strung grade obsessed maniac you can, and your life will be miserable. Youll easily recognize these types on campus. They always look like they are pacing around waiting for confirmation that the enola gay has dropped the bomb...or something equally as important....when in reality they are stressing over their 10 question histo quiz. Ive found med school to be some of the best years ive had yet. Pretty relaxed experience overall. Ive done well, and am happy with my step 1 scores...cant really complain there. With some good time management you can do well in med school, and have a great life too. GL!

Great post again OP!


OH and the bolded is SPOT fcking on. Gotta love being lectured to by a LPN because you accidentally left the packaging to an IV start kit in a bed...."would you go into your mothers house and leave your trash around?"

1) I agree you can be miserable if you are aiming for the top of the class, otherwise medical school doesn't seem that bad.

2) I think it's really important to not have an ego and realize you can learn from everyone (including stupid people).
 
Playing devil's advocate here:

You just made a post talking about medical school myths that other SDNers may psych us out on. How do we know you are telling the truth?
 
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Playing devil's advocate here:

You just made a post talking about medical school myths that other SDNers may psych us out on. How do we know you are telling the truth?

You don't, and OP has no reason to care if you believe him. You at least have one more data point to add to your pile of 'internet opinions w/o real life verification', however.
 
You don't, and OP has no reason to care if you believe him. You at least have one more data point to add to your pile of 'internet opinions w/o real life verification', however.

Good point. You've made me realize I don't care about anything said on the internet.
 
You know, it makes me think....

What about the people who get into competitive specialties? I mean to get into one of them, don't you have to be the guy who goes hard every single day? The guy who worries about every test? The guy who doesn't go out, but rather spends his time in a lab doing research? I mean it sounds like a recipe for disaster in regards to how you feel day in and day out, however, does obsession lead to, or increase the chance, of success?
 
Good point. You've made me realize I don't care about anything said on the internet.

I am glad I could fundamentally change your views on the online world 🙄

Sorry if I seemed rude; it's just that there's not really an answer to your question...there are multiple contradictory anecdotes on the internet, you have no way of knowing whose story is closest to the truth, or most similar to what your experience will be, etc...eventually you just end up choosing to believe whichever view most closely fits the view you already kinda hold, and then you try it in real life, end up having an experience closer to one or the other end of the spectrum, and post your own internet anecdotes to scare/impress the next generation of premeds. It's the cycle of advice forums! :laugh:
 
You know, it makes me think....

What about the people who get into competitive specialties? I mean to get into one of them, don't you have to be the guy who goes hard every single day? The guy who worries about every test? The guy who doesn't go out, but rather spends his time in a lab doing research? I mean it sounds like a recipe for disaster in regards to how you feel day in and day out, however, does obsession lead to, or increase the chance, of success?

At least at my school, I don't really think so. At some point, you have saturated yourself in knowledge and there just isn't any way you're going to learn more w/o forgetting the stuff you've already learned. In other words, at some point obsession just becomes counterproductive -- it's like the guy who keeps taking the MCAT OVER AND OVER again and can't break a 25 despite studying "properly" and spending 60 hrs/wk studying for 3, 4, 5, 6 months (not that that's a good strategy but at some pt the numbers keep growing to "fix" the problem areas...). The fact is that that person may just not be capable of breaking a 25. Period. No amount of determination, dedication, passion, inspiration, obsession, or tutoring is going to overcome that. Now extend that to medical school where 1 percentage point on an exam may drop you 10-20 percentile points in your class (for that exam). Trying to eliminate that one question would take either a supernatural ability to predict what that one question will be or an incredible amount of time memorizing everything (also a practically impossible thing to do in medical school).
 
Playing devil's advocate here:

You just made a post talking about medical school myths that other SDNers may psych us out on. How do we know you are telling the truth?

You don't. I have no idea what my motivation to lie in such a long, complicated post would be, but I suppose it's possible. It's ultimately irrelevant- you'll get to med school and do what you want and learn along the way. If people want to read my post and get something out of it- great! If not, no problem.

I'd grab a beer with the OP, nice post.

I'm always up for a beer!

You know, it makes me think....

What about the people who get into competitive specialties? I mean to get into one of them, don't you have to be the guy who goes hard every single day? The guy who worries about every test? The guy who doesn't go out, but rather spends his time in a lab doing research? I mean it sounds like a recipe for disaster in regards to how you feel day in and day out, however, does obsession lead to, or increase the chance, of success?

You know, as I apply to residencies, I realize that it's a little more complicated than that. I think your thinking is correct in that if you're interested in, say, ortho or derm or plastics or rad/onc it'd be helpful to start preparing for that somewhat early- or at least earlier than the internal medicine or family medicine or peds folks.
But the VAST majority of people don't know what they're going to do early enough to really make that big a difference in the preclinicals. Also, I'm writing this having gone through a school with P/F the first year, so where being the tippy top of your class at that point really doesn't matter at all besides making you feel better about being prepared for step 1. Even when the H option is added during preclinicals- the truth is, those grades are RARELY looked at by residency programs (my best friend here is doing plastics, this is what she's been told by a couple of program directors). From their perspective, you being the very best anatomist in your class is irrelevant if you didn't do very well in an applied setting (on your surgery rotation, plastics elective- whatever) or on step 1. Clinical grades, board scores, recommendations- those are all far better metrics of how you'll do as a resident than how hard you studied for biochem. So preclinical grades are MAYBE used as tie-breakers between people if there's literally nothing else to go on. I don't know that it's worth killing yourself just for that chance.
The water is muddied a little bit when it comes to AOA. Now induction into AOA (the med school honor society) is very school-dependent I think. However, we have a junior and a senior AOA. Junior AOA IS based on preclinical H and what you did before third year because it's voted on early in your third year. However, senior AOA is based on clinical grades, so even if you don't get one, you can still very much get the other. Many of the people I know here going into derm, ortho etc got senior AOA but not junior- and it really doesn't make much of a difference.
Also, don't forget that like applying to med school, there are some things that can make you stand out as an applicant. Being fluent in other languages can help, being the chair of an important national committee/society can help, research can DEFINITELY help (though some specialties and individual programs care way more than others- I can expound on this a little if someone cares), the strength of your letters of rec paired with the title of the person writing them (stupid, I know, but true- if you can get one of the big bosses to write the letter, residencies are more likely to be impresssed), how well you do on an away rotation at that program can really help, etc. And unfortunately, I know this is a very controversial subject here, but the name of your school CAN give you an edge. Mind you, all I know is what I see and hear myself, I don't know if this is the case everywhere. BUT, on the one hand, many people use the quality of the med schools represented at a program (they're always public on the program's website) to have a vague idea of the quality of the program itself. Therefore, a program with numerous FMG's or DO's (I know, I know, I'm just telling you what's done, not saying that it's fair or whatever) is viewed as less prestigious and strong than one that has mostly well-known programs represented. YES, THERE ARE OUTLIERS. But it can certainly help. A few fourth years from last year told me that they'd say programs were excited to have people from our med school interviewing there, they'd mention our chairman (who's well-known on a national level) etc. I'm not at a top 5 school btw so this doesn't have to mean Harvard or bust- but yeah, in my experience, the med school's name is somewhat helpful, at least as a tie-breaker and especially when you're not the world's strongest candidate.
I'm going to finish this by telling you about a friend of mine who graduated last year. He got ~ 200 on step 1 (not a good score) but really wanted to go into ortho. Everyone he spoke to told him it was impossible, but he insisted. He's a super nice, social, fun guy and people like having him around. He did research in our department- no publications, but worked hard. He did well but not spectacularly during third year, and didn't get AOA. Our Dean told him he must absolutely have a backup plan, so he applied to some general surgery programs. He also did an away rotation at his home state's program and worked his ass off. His step 2 was better but not amazing. He matched at his state school's ortho program. I asked him how the hell he pulled it off, and he told me the residents had insisted to the program director that he'd fit in there and that they wanted him to join the program. The program director had also really liked him, so he agreed.
Morale of the story: no, you don't want to be in that guy's position. His odds were pretty low. However, things aren't always as cut and dried as you may believe.
 
I am glad I could fundamentally change your views on the online world 🙄

Sorry if I seemed rude; it's just that there's not really an answer to your question...there are multiple contradictory anecdotes on the internet, you have no way of knowing whose story is closest to the truth, or most similar to what your experience will be, etc...eventually you just end up choosing to believe whichever view most closely fits the view you already kinda hold, and then you try it in real life, end up having an experience closer to one or the other end of the spectrum, and post your own internet anecdotes to scare/impress the next generation of premeds. It's the cycle of advice forums! :laugh:

You weren't rude at all. I was in fact going to respond much more sarcastically but sometimes humor is lost in translation on the internet.

I just simply made a post questioning why everyone is so willing to believe this one dude and forget about all the "myths" that have been posted about. I for one believe nothing on the internet and will go by what I've heard real life medical students say about their experiences.

It really depends on the type of person/student you are. I've met a few laid back med students who had an easy time in undergrad and say 1st and second year are easy as pie while third year is just a time drain, but not difficult. I've also met a few neurotic med students who had to struggle to get good grades in undergrad, stressed over their 29 MCAT and review their M1 books over their first free summer while shadowing doctors.

In the end, both types of students love being in med school, even though their experiences are vastly different.

But of course, you can't possibly believe any of this!
 
3) You will be an integral member of the healthcare team

This is more about third year, but see 1) for how you feel most of third year as well. So you're a third year- you're super excited, you're on the wards, hanging out with residents in the workrooms, can finally talk the medical talk and understand most of it, and you're seeing patients. Sweet, this is what you've been waiting for. Well, as a second year, you're basically the senior in the med school (3rd and 4th years are always off somewhere) and underclassmen come to you for advice. As a third year, you are the BOTTOM of the totem pole again, because you're in the hospital now. The focus in the hospital is not your education AT. ALL. It's patient care. There are at least 4-6 people taking care of a patient at any one time in the hospital- they can do this pretty well without you. No one really cares that you saw the patient this morning, or that you wrote this super awesome note, or that you know the pathophys of their disease really well. The team is focused on practicalities- you know none of these at this point. Again, IT'S OK! THAT'S WHY YOU'RE THERE! Don't get stressed if you feel completely useless- you ARE useless. Do your work, be helpful when you can (this mostly involves asking a patient questions the resident forgot to ask earlier, or calling consults for recs, or getting outside medical records- hardly glamorous), ask questions when you're curious, and try to stay out of the way otherwise. Don't get offended if no one pays attention to you. You're not priority number 1, and you're not supposed to be.

I'd phrase this one differently.

The reason for the hospital existing is not your education. Ever. However, the reason you are in the hospital as a third year (and fourth year) is to learn. As mentioned, the higher ups can do this a lot faster without you hanging around. Therefore, you should be doing everything you can to get the most out of that experience (without getting in the way of patient care or intentionally making your fellow students look bad). If you're in the hospital and have some down time, just go talk to patients. Half the time, they're lonely in the hospital and just want someone to talk to. You may learn something useful to the team, but you probably won't... instead, you'll be doing something you won't have time to do as a resident or attending: learning about the social aspect of medicine. If you want to see a procedure, let people know, but don't expect to take part in it.

But that's the advice I'd give to rising third years, not pre-meds.
 
MS IV here. Try as hard as you can without going over board. Good grades = good board scores. MCAT performance may correlate with step 1 scores. Not hard and fast, but it's easy for someone with a 30+ to get a 240+ than a guy with a 25 to do the same.

Worry about medical school when you get there. It'll all make sense at that time.
 
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Good post overall.

#6: To reiterate what you said MED SCHOOL ISNT HORRIBLE. I worked prior to med school for a long time so let me compare it to a normal 8h a day punch the clock job: you cant. Its not nearly as bad. There are long hours and lots of studying but I went out just as much I did as when I was working. I kept in touch with my family, friends, wife etc. I have 3 dogs and had plenty of time during m1/m2. As a current M3 halfway done (and having done the "killer" rotations) I still have had plenty of time this year. I think its such a shock to many people because they came from the cush life of undergrad and the monotony of "punching a clock" day in and day out with no real control over your life is difficult to swallow. But if youve had a job that is more than a summer job M3 will not be bad for you.
Yes, it is. Getting to the hospital at 5am or staying til 10pm or working holidays, weekends, nights, going home to study after all of that - these are not typical characteristics of a "normal 8h a day punch the clock job."

Now, med school is not nearly as bad as residency...

I will add in that I think your first point is probably school specific. Your description of early clinical experience does not sound like our early clinical experience at all. What you describe sounds like an observership/shadowing sort of system. I've always hated that sort of thing. Here, our first semester early clinical experience is primarily vitals, patient interviewing (in workshops with standardized pts, small group settings with other med students, and through lectures), public health (e.g., involvement in screenings), opportunities to learn basic procedures (e.g., IVs, IM injections, EKGs), and working in a clinic paired with an M3 or P3. Perhaps my background as an EMT helps me get more out of this, but I find it to be a good learning experience. Sure, it won't necessarily make me a better doctor but it does help me to maintain my EMS skills while learning to extend them to clinical medicine, which I suspect will make the M3 transition more seamless. I suspect that for my classmates without a clinical background, the early experience working w/ pts is especially helpful b/c it allows them to learn necessary soft skills and to connect the dots b/w their preclinical knowledge base and clinical presentations. It also helps that they have lined up cases in standardized pts with our overall preclinical curriculum so that disease processes we learn about in class are also what we see in standardized pts.
I still think it's useless and used only as a selling point to naive premeds.

I just simply made a post questioning why everyone is so willing to believe this one dude and forget about all the "myths" that have been posted about. I for one believe nothing on the internet and will go by what I've heard real life medical students say about their experiences.
I've gotten much, much better information from this forum over the years than from real-life pre-meds/med students/residents. There is absolutely nothing that intrinsically makes "real life" people more accurate than the Internet, and there's a lot of things I found on SDN that no one knew in real life.
 
Getting to the hospital at 5am or staying til 10pm or working holidays, weekends, nights, going home to study after all of that - these are not typical characteristics of a "normal 8h a day punch the clock job."

Now, med school is not nearly as bad as residency...

Are you largely "done with work" when off the clock, though? I haven't had the chance to talk to too many residents, but it does seem like responsibilities beyond your clinical work are largely minimal (...which may be due to a lack of time). Could just be my very limited perspective though.
 
2 of my best friends are residents. One is a senior resident (PGY3 in medicine), the other is a PGY2. The one in PGY3 is a little better off. However, the PGY2 spends most of her evenings off writing discharge summaries. Granted, this is medicine, which is just one giant note-writing nightmare. And it seems to be dependent on their service, how busy it is, how helpful their interns are, etc. It's also the beginning of the year so interns are still kinda dependent on their senior residents. But I keep being surprised by how crappy their schedules are even after they get home because of messages from primary care patients, discharge summaries and various other notes, having to look up new patients who've been admitted to the service, etc.
My good friend who's a surgery resident mostly spends a lot of free time preparing for cases and looking up the board for the next day online to make sure he's familiar with the technique. But he definitely has fewer notes to write.
 
Depends on the job. Most people will work 9 to 5s or 6 am to 9 pm, weekends, holidays and so on with no hope of advancement or, nowadays, even getting a raise and with the possibility of being laid off or fired. I haven't gone through residency yet but at least when I'm working 90 hours a week as a resident I know that I'm working toward something bigger and that it's temporary.
 
A very sobering and unfortunately accurate post. When your conclusion is "maybe I threw away my 20s", that's never a good thing.

Honestly, I would think that this would be the sentiment regardless of where you're working. Would you rather be doing medicine, or would you rather look up case files in a law firm or make spreadsheets in a cubicle?
 
Honestly, I would think that this would be the sentiment regardless of where you're working. Would you rather be doing medicine, or would you rather look up case files in a law firm or make spreadsheets in a cubicle?

I have to agree that we will all turn thirty regardless of what our profession is or what choices we make.

What *would* be an optimal way to spend our 20's?
 
I have to agree that we will all turn thirty regardless of what our profession is or what choices we make.

What *would* be an optimal way to spend our 20's?

Doing white powdery substances and going to neon-heavy raves?
 
I've gotten much, much better information from this forum over the years than from real-life pre-meds/med students/residents. There is absolutely nothing that intrinsically makes "real life" people more accurate than the Internet, and there's a lot of things I found on SDN that no one knew in real life.

What kind of people do you know in real life? I trust my friends opinions and information on subjective issues 100x more than any random internet forum users.

Sure, the internet is a great resource for finding out information, but you have to take subjective opinions and stories with a larger grain of salt than you do with friends and colleagues (unless you just associate with pathological liars).

Friends can lie, but the internet lies more.
 
Are you largely "done with work" when off the clock, though? I haven't had the chance to talk to too many residents, but it does seem like responsibilities beyond your clinical work are largely minimal (...which may be due to a lack of time). Could just be my very limited perspective though.
Studying still occurs. You just trade First Aid for the go to 2000 page book for your specialty and journal articles.
 
Studying still occurs. You just trade First Aid for the go to 2000 page book for your specialty and journal articles.

Not so sure about the 2000 page specialty manual, but I think I'd take journal articles to textbooks/First Aid any day.

(sent from my phone)
 
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