Med School Stats

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
wow use your head...just because i know people doesnt guarantee me admission...my parents are the chief physicians at ucla. i believe i have more connections than u think. either way, it still doesnt guarantee me..so sorry ure not as priveledged as me, u just seem like a negative person with no optimistic views what so ever. keep your opinions to yourself.

"umm no im not ****i know way too many people that are in charge of med school admissions and im not concerned"

You need to learn to get ur stories straight, u think that ur getting in just because ur parents work at ucla. I ve known many people in the same position as u with parents in higher positions than urs and a lot of them still didn't get in.

If your parents can get u in, why did u attend ucsc (the least difficult and least pretigous of the UC's). If your getting such low grades at ucsc how can u expect to cut it at med school?

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[Rendar5]

I have a lot of respect for what DO's learn. I saw one (I work in an ER) pop a kid's shoulder back in painlessly. Saved him from being medicated and spending an extra couple of hours in the ER waiting for medicine.

I just can't understand why someone would care if you're a DO or an MD as long as you're capable of helping them and a doctor. It's idiotic if anything.

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by Rendar5
I just can't understand why someone would care if you're a DO or an MD as long as you're capable of helping them and a doctor. It's idiotic if anything.

It's because people like sogand (who hasn't even been admitted to a medical school yet) have such an arrogant attitude that they look down on DOs just because of the letters of the degree.

 

[sogand]

i have connections and ONCE AGAIN as i reinterate...it does not guarantedd admission it just helps...wow please listen...second of all i got into all the UC's except berkeley and as a matter of fact i knew people in admissions then as well as now which also helped but did not guarantee. its really none of your business why i went to santa cruz, but just so u know i did get into 7 of the 8 UC's i applied to included the one my parents work at, so get your facts staright..not very bright are u?

 

[Rendar5]

Quit acting all smug.

 

[exmike]

For someone questioning other people's intelligence, your grammar and spelling is horrendous.

On another note, while the UC's are stellar schools, getting in some of them (or all of them) is nothing to bust a nut about. I dont' see how it has any bearing on whether or not you'll get in med school. You need to stop clinging on to the glory of days past and focus on the issue at hand: getting in med school. No amount of connections is going to overcome a crappy app.

Originally posted by sogand
i have connections and ONCE AGAIN as i reinterate...it does not guarantedd admission it just helps...wow please listen...second of all i got into all the UC's except berkeley and as a matter of fact i knew people in admissions then as well as now which also helped but did not guarantee. its really none of your business why i went to santa cruz, but just so u know i did get into 7 of the 8 UC's i applied to included the one my parents work at, so get your facts staright..not very bright are u?

 

[ionltd]

wow

now I wish I'd read the other threads before they were deleted!

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
i have connections and ONCE AGAIN as i reinterate...it does not guarantedd admission it just helps...wow please listen...second of all i got into all the UC's except berkeley and as a matter of fact i knew people in admissions then as well as now which also helped but did not guarantee. its really none of your business why i went to santa cruz, but just so u know i did get into 7 of the 8 UC's i applied to included the one my parents work at, so get your facts staright..not very bright are u?

Wow, ur hilarious. If i m not very bright ur straight dumb, I am not the one with a 3.1 gpa and a 21 on the mcat. Thanks for the laugh.

 

[sogand]

hmm...placing judgement without knowing anything...pretty sad is what u r. For everyone else, i was talking about the past cuz this person seems to talk out of his/her arce..so im setting him/her straight. You dont know ANYTHING about me or my intelligence. U have to know yourself before u can place judgement on others and i personally dont judge..so whatever..

 

[moops]

i got into all the UC's as a highschool student in missouri.

sorry gonad. but i have two testicles

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
hmm...placing judgement without knowing anything...pretty sad is what u r. For everyone else, i was talking about the past cuz this person seems to talk out of his/her arce..so im setting him/her straight. You dont know ANYTHING about me or my intelligence. U have to know yourself before u can place judgement on others and i personally dont judge..so whatever..

Now I understand why you got the 21 on the mcat, you can't even refer back to your past posts

so get your facts staright..not very bright are u?

Heres a little mcat question for u.

Sogand:

a) doesn't know what the hell she is talking about.
b) is going to tell mommy and daddy if we don't stop picking on her.
c) Flunked the mcat bc she can't refer back to her own posts and has no chance of ever being able to refer back to a passage on the mcat.
d) all of the above

 

[NRAI2001]

D

 

[rgporter]

Ouch, that is harsh.

 

[sogand]

wow..get a life, cuz u obviously dont have one....

 

[sogand]

oh and speaking to experts, a 21 on my first practice mcat without any preparation or courses related taken is actually pretty good...sorry u feel the need to get defensive and bad motuh me. i really dont care what u have to say so say what u want..ure a loser that just seems to crack me up with your petty resonses.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
oh and speaking to experts, a 21 on my first practice mcat without any preparation or courses related taken is actually pretty good...sorry u feel the need to get defensive and bad motuh me. i really dont care what u have to say so say what u want..ure a loser that just seems to crack me up with your petty resonses.

Awww, please don't call me a loser, it especially hurts when a loser calls u a loser.

 

[exmike]

This isn't addressed to anyone else taking their mcats.

Kaplan usually says you'll get a 5-6 point improvement on your MCAT after the course, which will give you a 26-27. Thats not gonna get you in an allo school with at 3.1, Sorry bud.

Originally posted by sogand
oh and speaking to experts, a 21 on my first practice mcat without any preparation or courses related taken is actually pretty good...sorry u feel the need to get defensive and bad motuh me. i really dont care what u have to say so say what u want..ure a loser that just seems to crack me up with your petty resonses.

 

[Pinkertinkle]

ooo, this thread is getting good.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by exmike
This isn't addressed to anyone else taking their mcats.

Kaplan usually says you'll get a 5-6 point improvement on your MCAT after the course, which will give you a 26-27. Thats not gonna get you in an allo school with at 3.1, Sorry bud.

Thats ok, her parents work at ucla, she doesn't even need to take the mcats.

 

[sogand]

yeah, i guess ure right, i will get in cuz of my parents..enough said. Good to know i dont have to worry anymore...BYEEEE!!! oh and u have to be a loser to know a loser, so if i am a loser so are u...

 

[ornis4]

zing!

This thread has surpassed absurdity...but I can't...stop...reading...it...

 

[exmike]

this reminds me of the playground in grade school when the kids would start playing who hits who last.

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
yeah, i guess ure right, i will get in cuz of my parents..enough said. Good to know i dont have to worry anymore...BYEEEE!!! oh and u have to be a loser to know a loser, so if i am a loser so are u...

I am glad that u admit ur a loser, loser.

 

[sogand]

well im only a loser cuz u said i am....so whatever u say goes ms "know it all"

 

[NRAI2001]

Originally posted by sogand
well im only a loser cuz u said i am....so whatever u say goes ms "know it all"

I don't know everything, just more than u do.

 

[sogand]

wow u know me so well yet uve never met me...psychic now arent we...thats great, please take up a new profession. seems to be the only thing ure good at...

 

[beanbean]

Sorry, but this post has an uncanny similiarity to the threads SilverEyes used to post....

Ok, wasn't the original question something about what the stats are at the US med schools that are easiest to get into...

Basically, the stats boil down to the fact that someone with a 3.1 GPA applying directly from undergrad has slim to nothing odds of getting into an allopathic medical school. The people that do accomplish this have not only a high MCAT, but something really incredible that makes there application stand out from the crowd.

The biggest challenge you face with a 3.1 GPA is convincing that person reading your application that you can handle the academic load in medical school. A high MCAT can attest to your general intelligence in the areas tested, but a low GPA can be a red flag for a poor work ethic. Be prepared to explain why you have a 3.1 and be honest about it. Do you have an upward trend or one or two semesters that you did poorly on or is your entire record pretty consistant? It is much easier to explain some isolated bad marks rather than an entire transcipt of so-so grades.

I recommend an intense, formal post-bacc program with a solid reputation. Graduate level classes are not calculated with your undergrad gpa on AMCAS but post-bacc grades are reflected in your total AMCAS undergrad gpa. Focus on proving that you can handle a rigorous academic schedule for at least a year and maintain a nearly perfect gpa.

If you don't want DO or offshore - fine. Just realize that the initials after your name and where your diploma is from has very little to do with how good of a doctor you are and don't make negative general assumptions about DO's or FMG's. I am in an MD program but I realize there is alot I can learn from the DO's and FMGs out there.

What test did you get a 21 on? Was it an AAMC practice test, Kaplan/TPR diagnostic or real MCAT? That makes a huge difference in how 'good' a 21 is. Don't assume you will do fine on the MCAT - that is probably the best way to screw it up. It is very difficult to raise your score significantly sometimes and prep classes are no magic bullet. It takes plain hard work.

The tone from your posts is very immature and arrogant at times. Don't tell people to keep their opinions to themselves when you are the one posting a questions on an internet board. People here are offering good advice - finding out more about DO programs can expand your options if you really don't want to waste any more time. However, it seems to me you should be more concerned with figuring out how you would handle med school if you have only been able to maintain a 3.1. I had a very low gpa due to a chronic illness many years ago (lower than yours). I am now 35, had years of experience in medical field and took 2 years to do post-bacc (GPA 4.0) and take my MCAT (33S). There was no guarentee that I would get in; there is no guarentee you will get in eventually. It just doesn't work that way.

Med School is harder than any academics you have done before. If you are struggling in undergrad you are not ready for med school yet. It doesn't really matter why you are struggling ( health reasons, family issues, financial problems, poor study habits, too much partying, etc), you need to fix it before you consider med school.

Good luck.

 

[donnyfire]

Originally posted by exmike
this reminds me of the playground in grade school when the kids would start playing who hits who last.

yeah, they're going to start calling each other dirty poop faces next

 

[sogand]

Thanks, u pretty much were the only one that could answer my question without insults. I can handle the academic work load but until this year there were circumstances as to why it was slightyl more difficult. Im definitely going to consider the post bacc program. Im sure my GPA will go up. classes are pretty easy, but my worry was that im applying in jun and i dont know how far up i can bring it by then....thanks again.

 

[cmudan]

Ahhh...now that this thread is finally settled I can sleep at night.

 

[Rendar5]

It takes a loser to know a loser so if I'm a loser so are you?!

oh my god. If we're going to insult each other can't we at least move this beyond elementary school level insults?

 

[Adapt]

I know you are, but what am I.

 

[Rendar5]

now for the serious answer. Take some time off. Do something interesting. Do some volunteering or community service that you enjoy, and do it several hours a week. going straight into more school after a 3.1GPA isn't going to do you any good. Develop the other aspects of your application before going back to school. Then do post-bacc or get a masters or something.

 

[kwanny]

oh my God...

i just spent 20 minutes reading all the posts and just laughin... man, u guys just made my day.

by the way... wut was this thread about again?

 

[kwanny]

sogand,

here's some info that may help you... it should at least give you a better idea... i got em from the 2003 us news rankings. It might be hard to read cuz of all the numbers, but i think you should be able to figure out which ones are the schools' ave gpa's and mcats. Good luck.

1. Harvard University (MA) 100 4.9 4.7 9 3.78 11.1 4.6% $957.8 8.1 $32,708 735

2. Johns Hopkins University (MD) 97 4.9 4.7 6 3.83 11.0 5.6% $372.6 4.1 $32,083 478
_ Washington University in St. Louis 97 4.6 4.5 1 3.83 12.2 10.8% $320.4 2.4 $35,780 566

4. Duke University (NC) 93 4.6 4.5 3 3.80 11.6 3.8% $225.0 3.2 $32,906 454
_ University of Pennsylvania 93 4.6 4.3 4 3.77 11.5 6.4% $431.4 3.3 $35,234 597

6. University of California?San Francisco 92 4.6 4.4 9 3.75 11.2 5.8% $368.7 2.3 $21,577 623

7. Columbia U. College of Physicians and Surgeons (NY) 90 4.3 4.2 2 3.79 11.8 12.1% $260.5 3.6 $35,954 624

8. Stanford University (CA) 89 4.6 4.4 13 3.74 11.0 3.7% $198.4* 1.8 $33,919 465
_ University of Michigan?Ann Arbor 89 4.4 4.4 9 3.70 11.4 8.1% $255.7 2.5 $30,595 670

10. Yale University (CT) 87 4.4 4.1 6 3.72 11.4 6.6% $245.4 2.8 $32,675 507

11. University of Washington 86 4.4 4.2 32 3.67 10.2 8.2% $431.5 2.3 $27,947 773

12. Baylor College of Medicine (TX) 85 4.0 3.8 5 3.80 11.2 7.8% $382.8 2.7 $21,143 669
_ Cornell University (Weill) (NY) 85 4.2 4.1 13 3.68 11.2 4.3% $227.0 4.3 $30,045 410

14. University of California?Los Angeles (Geffen) 83 4.2 3.9 22 3.68 10.6 4.6% $340.5 3.1 $21,305 693
_ Vanderbilt University (TN) 83 4.0 4.0 6 3.78 11.2 8.3% $180.2 3.2 $30,466 408

16. University of California?San Diego 81 4.0 3.8 13 3.78 10.9 7.1% $195.7 1.4 $21,774 513
_ U. of Texas Southwestern Medical Center?Dallas 81 4.2 3.9 19 3.76 10.7 18.0% $148.8* 1.5 $21,292 843

18. University of Pittsburgh 79 3.8 3.8 23 3.66 10.7 9.7% $247.8 3.0 $34,728 569

19. Emory University (GA) 78 3.8 3.9 16 3.75 10.7 8.6% $134.5 3.3 $31,497 450
_ Mayo Medical School (MN) 78 3.6 4.0 12 3.80 10.9 3.7% $126.4 11.3 $21,500 176

21. Northwestern University (Feinberg) (IL) 77 3.7 3.9 16 3.67 11.0 8.1% $141.1 2.1 $35,616 701
_ University of Chicago 77 4.1 4.0 35 3.62 10.3 4.4% $126.4 2.1 $31,238 403
_ University of North Carolina?Chapel Hill 77 3.9 4.0 37 3.61 10.3 7.8% $162.1 1.7 $33,536 653

24. Case Western Reserve University (OH) 75 3.8 3.7 32 3.58 10.6 9.5% $177.5 2.8 $36,379 566
_ University of Alabama?Birmingham 75 3.9 3.8 46 3.67 10.0 16.5% $195.7 1.6 $27,339 694
_ University of Iowa (Roy J. & Lucille A. Carver) 75 3.7 3.8 23 3.75 10.3 11.7% $136.5 1.3 $36,976 589

27. University of Virginia 74 3.7 3.9 26 3.66 10.6 9.6% $108.6* 1.6 $30,567 547

28. New York University 73 3.4 3.5 16 3.70 11.0 16.2% $128.0 2.3 $31,250 703

29. Mount Sinai School of Medicine (NY) 72 3.6 3.5 27 3.63 10.6 7.0% $132.3 4.3 $30,700 450
_ University of Wisconsin?Madison 72 3.6 3.6 28 3.68 10.4 10.8% $133.3 1.6 $32,849 592

31. University of Rochester (NY) 71 3.6 3.5 30 3.67 10.3 8.6% $118.4 2.8 $33,057 411

32. Oregon Health & Science University 70 3.4 3.3 28 3.73 10.1 6.7% $146.3 3.2 $33,517 396
_ University of Colorado Health Sciences Center 70 3.6 3.4 37 3.69 10.0 10.0% $143.0* 2.1 $66,073 534
_ Yeshiva University (Albert Einstein) (NY) 70 3.5 3.3 37 3.61 10.3 9.2% $157.7 3.2 $34,675 722

35. Dartmouth Medical School (NH) 69 3.4 3.5 20 3.70 10.6 5.2% $80.2* 3.4 $32,050 289
_ University of Southern California 69 3.2 3.3 23 3.61 10.8 6.7% $148.9 1.8 $36,184 655

37. Ohio State University 67 3.2 3.3 35 3.65 10.3 13.6% $133.3 1.7 $23,231 831
_ University of Minnesota?Twin Cities 67 3.2 3.3 32 3.67 10.3 18.1% $124.9 2.0 $32,651 806

39. Indiana University?Indianapolis 66 3.3 3.5 51 3.72 9.7 21.9% $90.6* 1.0 $35,741 1,116

40. Boston University 65 3.3 3.4 73 3.50 9.6 3.7% $155.9 1.7 $36,980 621
_ University of Maryland 65 3.2 3.3 43 3.67 10.0 11.1% $108.5* 1.7 $28,764 582
_ Wake Forest University (NC) 65 3.2 3.4 51 3.60 10.0 5.0% $95.9* 1.8 $30,529 431

43. Brown University (RI) 64 3.1 3.4 51 3.60 10.0 8.2% $86.4 1.9 $32,524 323
_ Tufts University (MA) 64 3.3 3.5 68 3.48 9.9 9.3% $83.3 1.8 $40,104 706
_ University of Florida 64 3.1 3.2 30 3.68 10.3 8.8% $71.8* 2.2 $36,524 450
_ University of Utah 64 3.2 3.5 48 3.66 9.9 12.6% $72.1 2.1 $23,158 416

47. Georgetown University (DC) 63 3.0 3.4 37 3.63 10.2 5.4% $64.2 1.0 $31,817 709
_ University of Cincinnati 63 3.0 3.1 54 3.61 10.0 18.5% $145.8 1.8 $30,792 623

49. Jefferson Medical College (PA) 61 2.9 3.1 48 3.51 10.4 6.6% $76.3 2.4 $31,958 908
_ Medical College of Wisconsin 61 2.9 3.1 43 3.70 9.9 12.0% $69.4 1.2 $30,288 805
_ University of Massachusetts?Worcester 61 2.8 3.0 37 3.60 10.6 28.2% $88.1* 1.7 N/A 416

52. University of California?Irvine 60 2.8 3.0 20 3.69 10.7 7.2% $35.9 1.4 $22,232 378

53. University of California?Davis 59 3.0 3.2 48 3.52 10.4 6.0% $47.3 1.4 $21,641 401

54. Stony Brook University 58 2.8 2.9 43 3.60 10.3 10.5% $59.4 1.1 $27,525 434
_ Tulane University (LA) 58 3.0 3.1 37 3.54 10.5 5.4% $37.4 0.9 $35,319 620

56. University of Miami (FL) 57 2.9 2.9 70 3.66 9.3 25.4% $90.1 1.8 $36,870 600
_ Univ. of Texas Health Science Center?Houston 57 3.1 3.2 88 3.62 8.9 10.0% $59.5 0.8 $22,342 810

58. UMDNJ-Robert Wood Johnson Medical School 56 2.9 3.0 64 3.59 9.6 16.7% $49.4 1.1 $30,593 657

59. University of Connecticut 55 2.7 2.9 57 3.60 9.9 9.4% N/A* 1.3 $28,180 311
_ Va. Commonwealth U.?Medical Col. of Va. 55 2.8 3.2 78 3.49 9.6 11.4% $55.5* 1.0 $31,356 698

61. Medical University of South Carolina 54 2.7 2.9 70 3.61 9.4 18.8% $59.0 1.5 $38,435 582
_ University of Vermont 54 2.8 3.0 78 3.50 9.5 4.2% $49.4* 1.0 $37,801 396

63. University at Buffalo (NY) 53 2.6 2.7 78 3.54 9.5 17.5% $91.2 1.1 $28,080 601

64. George Washington University (DC) 52 2.7 3.0 70 3.52 9.6 5.5% $32.9 0.9 $37,784 676
_ St. Louis University 52 2.6 2.9 54 3.60 10.0 15.5% $29.9* 0.9 $36,430 606
_ Wayne State University (MI) 52 2.6 2.8 86 3.55 9.4 18.0% $50.4* 0.9 $32,760 1,041

67. UMDNJ-New Jersey Medical School 51 2.6 2.8 73 3.47 9.9 18.5% $40.3 1.0 $30,543 700
_ University of Nebraska College of Medicine 51 2.7 2.9 57 3.70 9.6 19.6% $22.0 1.0 $35,602 483
_ University of Oklahoma 51 2.6 2.8 61 3.67 9.4 20.2% $31.6* 1.1 $31,285 590

 

[sogand]

I have already done 4 years of intensive lab work and im invovled in every possibe activity and organization in school. i really just dont feel the need for a break...i dont have a 3.1 cuz i couldnt do any better i was just being lazy by choice but im straightening up my act now cuz i realized i have serious choices to make in regards to what Im gonna do with myself...

 

[Rendar5]

ok, 4 years of intensive lab work? and you've been involved in every club at school?

Have you worked a real-world job for a yearly salary? done some sort of community service you actually enjoy? spent a year travelling? Put in a lot of time volunteering because you enjoyed it? Formed or led a club? Those are all things to consider.

 

[sogand]

Those all sound like great options, I just kind of dont want to do them..plus my parents are very strong on education. even if i dont get into med school this round, they wouldnt want me to take a break and get a job or volunteer. not only would they not want me to but they wouldnt let me...i think i'm probably better off for post-bacc or a masters and moving forth from there. oh, and i have done volunteering at the hospital over my summers so i've done a little bit of that. I mean as far as my application goes, i have all the EC activities and too many letters of recs from labs and professors, but obviously the only thing holding me back is the GPA cuz as far as the mcats concerned, i still dont know what im gonna get on the actual exam...
ps i have no idea what those stats mean for med schools..

 

[Rendar5]

What do you mean your parents won't let you. You are over 18, right (and not one of those geniuses who went to college when they were 13 or 14?). Are they controlling your entire financial situation or something like that?

 

[Gleevec]

Originally posted by sogand
Those all sound like great options, I just kind of dont want to do them..plus my parents are very strong on education. even if i dont get into med school this round, they wouldnt want me to take a break and get a job or volunteer. not only would they not want me to but they wouldnt let me...i think i'm probably better off for post-bacc or a masters and moving forth from there. oh, and i have done volunteering at the hospital over my summers so i've done a little bit of that. I mean as far as my application goes, i have all the EC activities and too many letters of recs from labs and professors, but obviously the only thing holding me back is the GPA cuz as far as the mcats concerned, i still dont know what im gonna get on the actual exam...
ps i have no idea what those stats mean for med schools..

So what do they want you to do if you dont get in this round?

I think you are giving your parents way too much power in this, and it makes me wonder if you're going through the whole process just to please your parents as opposed to doing it for yourself.

 

[exmike]

whats going on here, its becoming a real thread.

 

[NDESTRUKT]

are you asian by any chance? that sounds like something an asian type family would do - not let you do something even when ur over 18 lol

and no i'm not racist, i'm chinese =)

 

[exmike]

Originally posted by NDESTRUKT
are you asian by any chance? that sounds like something an asian type family would do - not let you do something even when ur over 18 lol

and no i'm not racist, i'm chinese =)

She's persian, according to her profile.

 

[sogand]

Well my parents are financially supporting me, however they gave me the option to chose whatever i wanted as a profession and are willing to support me through it. They wont let me take a break and YES they do have control over what i do...all they ask of me is that i continue in school but in whatever field i choose.. but i'm not fighting with them, i totally agree with what they say. I dont think i need a break..i just wanted to know school alternatives to take into consideration if and when rejected from med school.

 

[Rendar5]

Well, first of all your parents should not have control over what you do. If you've graduated from college then you shouldn't be beholden to their will. Med school is expensive as hell, but if you know how to manage your money and live happily and comfortable within your means, it can be paid back in no time.

As for taking a year off, it isn't to give you a break from academics (since you say you don't really need a break, that's good). Taking a year off to pursue a couple of other things should strengthen any application and give you better chances of getting into a school.

If you don't get into any medical schools, call the schools to find out why they didn't accept you. Make sure that it isn't simply your GPA. If it's not just your GPA, then you really should consider taking a year off from academia to fill in the missing aspects of your application.

If it really is your GPA, you really do have to consider going to a foreign medical school or to a DO school (and DOs learn wonderful things that MDs never do unless they take special classes). If you're worried that DO's are looked down on in California, go someplace else. I assure you that where I volunteer (emergency room in NYC) no one really gives a crap if a doctor is an MD or a DO.

And if you really really can't handle the fact that some really silly people think you're not as good of a doctor because of the DO instead of the MD, then reconsider becoming a doctor because you would probably be happier in a different field. Not trying to be mean with that last one, just facing you with some reality.

 

[Rendar5]

oh, unless you're going for an MSTP or MD/PhD program. In that case, you would have a very good reason for not wanting to become a DO. But if you want to be a practicing doctor, than my advice stands.

 

[black orchid]

my parents pay for everything too and i too used to defend my
parents for controlling everything.....yes, i am asian.

i guess you don't need a break b/c you had your lazy years; i didn't, so i would like to have time off. but keep in mind, i'm assuming that during your year off you did alot of productive things that would sharpen your life experiences and people skills. if not, then i suggest you do take some time off to get a feel for REALLY helping people out in need.

i still live iwth my parents and they still try to control alot in my life. yeah, i DID feel obligated to do certain things b/c they ARE paying for my tuition and gas and etc, but i've come time to where i want to spend a year to possibly earn my own money and live on my own. think about that. i personally don't like thinking that i'd be living off my parents half my life, and then living off loans on another large part of my life.

your parents do sound like a HUGE influence in your life decisions. yeah, you should care what they think to some degree, but also consider that they lived in different times than we did. b/c after all, when they're dead, god bless, you're still living out YOUR life. good luck

~L

PS. it seems that most schools have a 3.5 gpa and 30 mcat as their average stats of those who got in. national average mcat this past august 2003 was 24.

 

[sogand]

i totally agree....im gonna have to take some time to really think about my options. ive decided im going apply to DO schools along with MD's just as my back up. umm what MSTP? sorry im out of the loop and what FMG?

 

[Adapt]

Originally posted by sogand
ive decided im going apply to DO schools along with MD's just as my back up.

OH MY GOSH. You're actually following good advice. Good for you. However, I have a feeling if you only get into a DO school you won't go.

MSTP is medical scientist training program or MD/PhD. FMG is a foreign medical graduate usually refering to graduates of carribean medical schools.

 

[sogand]

i ment allopathic med schools not MD's sorry