med school to software engineering

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I find it ironic that many professional investors, myself included, do value each stock equally and simply purchase low cost index mutual funds. I'd never thought of the analogy to my (future) patients before. Sure some of them are probably duds and in retrospect weren't worth my investment, but who am I to judge? You never really know when one might take off anyway. And I carry a fundamental belief in the system as a whole, while not worrying about the individual. They are all important to me. This is really pretty profound.

(The double-irony is that I made my first fortune as a software engineer writing incredibly popular computer programs with a user base in the millions.)

That's very interesting. Personally I prefer to take a risk on the ones I think are winners. I certainly wouldn't buy one I know with a lot of certainty is a dud. I think the same applies to patients. I'd probably dump patients if they were non-compliant for too long. I only want winners on my portfolio.
 
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Of course it's internally derived. I derive satisfaction from things I derive satisfaction from. Why I do is up to me. I don't think there is any wrong or right way to derive satisfaction. It's an individual preference. Sure the investment banker may piss on my shoes, I don't care. It doesn't matter to me that he doesn't value me. I don't have some sort of ego where everyone must respect and value me. I know everyone doesn't and I don't value everyone else either. That's normal and I'm ok with it. The people that think everyone should value them just because they are human and exist are delusional!

Edit: By the way, I know doctors who have gotten a number of favors from very rich patients, so the concept of the investment banker owing me isn't ridiculous. I never said anything about the ethics of the matter.

lol wut

Get out of medical school now. Seriously. I have no idea why you even got in in the first place...actually I do know, you lied out your ass the whole way through.

"ooo sorry mr taco bell worker there's an investment banker in the next bed so I think I'm gonna take all the time I'd spend on you and put it towards him instead becuase of my internal sense of worth in society. Good luck treating yourself!"
 
You can't just assume the Taco Bell employee will be a Taco Bell employee for the rest of his/her life...:eyebrow:


Thanks for the advice.

Upon getting in, I got pumped up by the fact that so many people around me were struggling to get in

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Thanks for the advice.

To clarify though, I didn't do any shadowing. I didn't research what was necessary to get into med school or anything, I simply took a bio major in college because I had always been good at biology, and wasn't really sure what else I wanted to do. By the end of college, I started to look at job options and realized med school was a viable option for a solid career. It was just one of many options. I took the MCAT and applied to med schools- honestly I didn't put very much effort it into it and didn't expect to actually get in. I actually didn't study for the MCAT much at all, but did decently well because I had been an excellent student in bio, chem and physics. I ended up getting into only one school, where I have a good deal of family influence.

Upon getting in, I got pumped up by the fact that so many people around me were struggling to get in, including my ex-girlfriend who still hasn't made it into med school 2 years later. Also, many people, family included, were impressed by me going to med school. That definitely increased the value of med school in my head. Yes, my thinking was foolish, but I was younger and less experienced in life at that time.

Once I got in, I just kept going. I didn't want to be a med school dropout. Now I've gotten to the point where my motivation has completely run dry. I don't even care to stay for that reason anymore.

Oh wait didn't read this gem. Now I know how you got in.

What a d-bag.
 
Oh wait didn't read this gem. Now I know how you got in.

What a d-bag.

Hey, I didn't call you any names. You've already called me a d-bag and a liar in the span of 2 posts. Says more about you than it does about me.

I did barely anything and got into med school. You busted your ass. Jealous?
 
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You can't just assume the Taco Bell employee will be a Taco Bell employee for the rest of his/her life...:eyebrow:




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I don't make any assumptions about anybody's future. What you are now is what you are, and that's all that matters right now.
 
Hey, I didn't call you any names. You've already called me a d-bag and a liar in the span of 2 posts. Says more about you than it does about me.

I did barely anything and got into med school. You busted your ass. Jealous?

Jealous would probably be the wrong word.

Sorry that its possible someone like you might ever be in charge of people's lives is more like it.

I have the feeling you might be a troll at this point though.
 
Jealous would probably be the wrong word.

Sorry that its possible someone like you might ever be in charge of people's lives is more like it.

I have the feeling you might be a troll at this point though.

I think the fact that a guy obsessed with a children's cartoon who uses the word 'd-bag' could end up being in charge of people's lives is about as scary as it gets.
 
Hey, I didn't call you any names. You've already called me a d-bag and a liar in the span of 2 posts. Says more about you than it does about me.

I did barely anything and got into med school. You busted your ass. Jealous?

Word of advice... lose the attitude before you start third year. You will get your ass kicked by the residents and attendings. People have very good BS detectors and can smell arrogance a mile away.

Saying that you were pleased to see other people fail while you got in easily and saying that you'd rather save the CEO's life instead of the taco bell employee's is not going to endear you in the mind of anyone, so why exactly are you surprised by people calling you out on it?
 
I think the fact that a guy obsessed with a children's cartoon who uses the word 'd-bag' could end up being in charge of people's lives is about as scary as it gets.

Didn't notice the fact you made an account just for this thread.

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Word of advice... lose the attitude before you start third year. You will get your ass kicked by the residents and attendings. People have very good BS detectors and can smell arrogance a mile away.

Saying that you were pleased to see other people fail while you got in easily and saying that you'd rather save the CEO's life instead of the taco bell employee's is not going to endear you in the mind of anyone, so why exactly are you surprised by people calling you out on it?

I have a pretty good BS detector too. I know most of these people calling me out are only doing so because of their self-righteous attitude. I have known enough med students in depth to know how arrogant they really are inside. They are just really good at hiding it and then faking outrage when someone's honest about it to maintain their facade.

Doctors are some of the most arrogant people around- just ask any of the general public. They didn't just develop it when they hit the last year of residency. The profession selects for arrogance. At least I am honest about mine.
 
I have a pretty good BS detector too. I know most of these people calling me out are only doing so because of their self-righteous attitude. I have known enough med students in depth to know how arrogant they really are inside. They are just really good at hiding it and then faking outrage when someone's honest about it to maintain their facade.

Or, more likely, if this many people are actually irritated with you, there's probably a good reason. I highly doubt if this many people are calling you out on it it's because they're the self-righteous ones and you're the one who knows better. It's like the 3rd year med student who gets graded down for lacking professionalism or whatever and blames it on his residents being mean to him.

Many medical schools (mine certainly is) and teaching hospitals provide care to an underserved population with lots of drug addicts, minimum wage workers, people of low socioeconomic status, etc. You showed contempt for them as a group because of their supposed lack of contribution to society. You should not be surprised that people are showing genuine contempt at you for expressing that view.

Other possibility as indicated above is that you are actually a troll, in which case, w/e.
 
Or, more likely, if this many people are actually irritated with you, there's probably a good reason. I highly doubt if this many people are calling you out on it it's because they're the self-righteous ones and you're the one who knows better. It's like the 3rd year med student who gets graded down for lacking professionalism or whatever and blames it on his residents being mean to him.

Many medical schools (mine certainly is) and teaching hospitals provide care to an underserved population with lots of drug addicts, minimum wage workers, people of low socioeconomic status, etc. You showed contempt for them as a group because of their supposed lack of contribution to society. You should not be surprised that people are showing genuine contempt at you for expressing that view.

Other possibility as indicated above is that you are actually a troll, in which case, w/e.

I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people on SDN have no intention of coming anywhere near an underserved population unless they have absolutely no other choice.

Self-righteousness is an epidemic in medical school. Demonstrating your love of every patient and your dedication to the underserved is one of those unwritten requirements of being a medical student, which everyone follows regardless of whether they actually feel that way or not. Has anyone ever told you they went into med school to make money? No they all want to "help people". Well then how come no one wants to go into primary care? Why does no one want to work in the ghetto? Why is everyone gunning for the highest possible step score so they can get into derm at harvard?

You can pick apart my argument as much as you want, but you know that I'm right!
 
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Didn't notice the fact you made an account just for this thread.

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I didn't make an account "just for this thread". This was my first thread on the site. Everyone has a first thread. I also have posted in other threads since then.

Why don't you just go back to reading cartoons since it seems that is the most you can actually understand.
 
I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people on SDN have no intention of coming anywhere near an underserved population unless they have absolutely no other choice.

You missed the point completely. People may not be willing to work with an underserved population for their entire lives (and you'll ALWAYS have patients in your practice who may not be able to pay fully for your services, just FYI) but they typically appreciate that there is a need to provide them with healthcare.

You are showing contempt for the very population that actually NEEDS healthcare the most by saying their lives are not worth as much as rich people or people of "merit". I don't care whether you plan to work with them or not, that's a despicable outlook.

Also I'm fairly certain the hundreds to thousands of attendings who work in underserved populations at teaching hospitals aren't doing it because they have "no other choice". Last I checked, those are actually pretty difficult positions to obtain - and that too for less money than they would be making in private practice or at an affluent hospital. So no, not everyone is shooting for Harvard derm. And plenty of people go into primary care outside the world seen through SDN goggles.
 
I didn't make an account "just for this thread". This was my first thread on the site. Everyone has a first thread. I also have posted in other threads since then.

Why don't you just go back to reading cartoons since it seems that is the most you can actually understand.

About 5 other posts outside this thread...alright you convinced me, you're definitely not trollin.
 
I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people on SDN have no intention of coming anywhere near an underserved population unless they have absolutely no other choice.

Self-righteousness is an epidemic in medical school. Demonstrating your love of every patient and your dedication to the underserved is one of those unwritten requirements of being a medical student, which everyone follows regardless of whether they actually feel that way or not. Has anyone ever told you they went into med school to make money? No they all want to "help people". Well then how come no one wants to go into primary care? Why does no one want to work in the ghetto? Why is everyone gunning for the highest possible step score so they can get into derm at harvard?

You can pick apart my argument as much as you want, but you know that I'm right!

I don't think there's only one motivation to enter medicine, especially in America. But at least acknowledge that people who disagree with you have their legitimate and respectable reasons. The condescending way you describe what I can only presume is people like me is inaccurate and offending. It's not some half-baked emotionally derived position.
 
You lied your way through your interviews to convince the panel that you were ready and able to complete medical school and then you cheated someone else out of a spot in medical school that had a very high probability of finishing that had a true passion to do so and continue on through residency.

If this BS is true, you should be ashamed of yourself and I don't want you as a peer of mine.

I'm getting the idea that this story is completely fake and, in that case, we should stop feeding the troll and ban him from the site.

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Guys, many people including myself have pointed out he's just trolling. Are you actually reading what this first time poster is actually saying? Come on man
 
vjayk, I'm an undergrad currently deciding between CS and premed. Much like you, I have little prior exposure to programming, but I'm enamored with the idea of it: the prospect of living in a big city, of putting my heart into an up-and-coming startup along with a small group of coworkers who are just as passionate as I am about our project. On the other hand, I'm equally in love with the prospect of EM and having the privilege to have a truly hands-on job and to ease people's suffering in their most vulnerable state. It's a decision I've been wrestling with for the better part of a year now, but it doesn't seem like I'm getting any closer to reaching an answer. I've ruled out the possibility of doing both concurrently, as my school has severe grade deflation.

As for the issue of not receiving equal satisfaction from saving the physicist vs. the Taco Bell worker -- I can't say I get that feeling myself. I believe I'd go home each day feeling more or less equally satisfied with whatever lives I'd managed to save that day. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I will agree that no one can sincerely argue that a physicist and a Taco Bell worker are equivalent in terms of added value to society. In fact, I'm pretty pissed at the amount of real estate wasted on this thread spent calling you a troll (wtf is up with the bastardization of this term on SDN, anyways) when I too am here trying to get useful perspectives on CS vs. medicine. A troll is a poster intentionally putting on a facade (of ignorance, etc.) to provoke shock/outrage/disruption among other posters. I can't tell whether people here (1) are using "troll" as an all-purpose universal name for someone they disagree with, or (2) have a severely ******ed capacity for critical reading.
 
As for the issue of not receiving equal satisfaction from saving the physicist vs. the Taco Bell worker -- I can't say I get that feeling myself. I believe I'd go home each day feeling more or less equally satisfied with whatever lives I'd managed to save that day. But I do understand where you're coming from, and I will agree that no one can sincerely argue that a physicist and a Taco Bell worker are equivalent in terms of added value to society. In fact, I'm pretty pissed at the amount of real estate wasted on this thread spent calling you a troll (wtf is up with the bastardization of this term on SDN, anyways) when I too am here trying to get useful perspectives on CS vs. medicine. A troll is a poster intentionally putting on a facade (of ignorance, etc.) to provoke shock/outrage/disruption among other posters. I can't tell whether people here (1) are using "troll" as an all-purpose universal name for someone they disagree with, or (2) have a severely ******ed capacity for critical reading.

Okay....so how is this definition incompatible with him making up this whole story and saying that he values certain lives over others just to get a reaction out of people?

I guess it all depends on whether you believe him or not.

At least you wasted no time getting "pissed" in your first post.
 
Okay....so how is this definition incompatible with him making up this whole story and saying that he values certain lives over others just to get a reaction out of people?

I guess it all depends on whether you believe him or not.

At least you wasted no time getting "pissed" in your first post.

Have you considered that OP simply subscribes to a different worldview than you do?

You imply in your post that the idea of valuing certain lives over others is a ridiculous idea that no rational non-troll person would ever hold. Why isn't it possible that OP sincerely believes certain lives are worth more than others on an economic, technological, and humanitarian level? Can you honestly say that your run-of-the-mil fast food worker adds more value to society than does a world-renowned physicist or director of an international NGO promoting global health?

He's not saying he would refuse to treat one of those fast food workers should they end up in his hospital -- he's just saying he would feel greater satisfaction saving the life of someone who has much greater potential to impact society in a positive way because in a way, he would have directly enabled that positive impact to continue.
 
I went from Software Engineering --> Medicine. It's a good career.

But it can also be monotonous - the exciting coding opportunities that many people think about - working at Google on the latest technologies are not the norm. Those are extremely hard to get, and you better be excellent at math and have a degree from a top notch place. Most of the rest of the coding jobs are doing relatively simple things over and over. It's still a good career and I did enjoy it, but it's something to keep in mind. Just like when people say that medicine is not like what you experience in MS1/MS2 - neither is being a programmer. In real life, you don't lose track of time thinking of cool new algorithms.

You can PM me if you have any questions about actually working in the field.
 
I went from Software Engineering --> Medicine. It's a good career.

But it can also be monotonous - the exciting coding opportunities that many people think about - working at Google on the latest technologies are not the norm. Those are extremely hard to get, and you better be excellent at math and have a degree from a top notch place. Most of the rest of the coding jobs are doing relatively simple things over and over. It's still a good career and I did enjoy it, but it's something to keep in mind. Just like when people say that medicine is not like what you experience in MS1/MS2 - neither is being a programmer. In real life, you don't lose track of time thinking of cool new algorithms.

You can PM me if you have any questions about actually working in the field.

Why did you decide to switch to medicine?
 
Just in case the OP isn't actually a troll. I grew up in the valley. My mom and my brother were both software engineers. Were. They both got out for various reasons. All my close friends are in the software business and went to under grad in electrical engineering and computer science at one or the other of the two name brand schools in the bay area. I too went to one of those schools for undergrad in bioengineering. Medicine was not on my radar till well after undergrad. I had to do a lot of matlab, signal processing, mathematical modeling, EE. Not dissimilar to my EECS friends. I interned at a tech companies during the dotcom era and paid for undergrad that way because the work was easy and pay astronomical ($25/hr back then) writing scripts and db stuff. Those were the days when every engilsh major thought they could turn vbscript into a career. I also did research at a big university after undergrad which involved coding/signal processing, but also had patient studies (without real patient contact), because I was seriously considering a phd.

My friends in tech after 10 years make very good money now (150-200k). But they also are at the creme de la crop. I met up with them for dinner last week to celebrate my matching. The subject of work hours came up. Most of them work 6 10s. Not hours you want to work unless you have to. They all loved to code in undergrad, when it was all conceptual. Now, most of them do not really enjoy mundane coding at this point and have either tried to move into management (for stability) or do more conceptual architect type work and have junior programers below them. One of them is now @ a 3 person start up working 100 hours. He says he'll give it a year and if he it doesn't do well, he'll get a McCoding Job (how he phrased it). This is a fiercely competitive business. Experience counts, but at the end of the day, fresh blood is cheaper and probably more current than you. A lot of people find themselves jobless in their 40s because their skillset isn't fresh or they're too experienced hence too costly and the culture here in the valley favors the youth. (Companies pride themselves on their average employee age, the closer to 25, the better) This is the reason my brother went to law school. Even though he was a lead engineer and probably could have sustained himself till 50, the kind of security and salary you have in medicine or IP law is not possible coding.

Out of the 50 or so start ups my friends have been through,only 2 people who hit it big. One of them in the hundred million range. So it happens, but he was a prodigy, skipping grades, perfect SAT scores, MIT phd etc. But the vast majority end up taking unsatisfying jobs working long hours. App coders don't make money. That's why there are 700,000 apps you never heard of. Your likelihood of writing the next app that nets money is slim to none. Oh, and none of my friends who have their own teams would hire you without a CS degree from a school with name rec, without some serious experience and references.

You are an MS2, you probably haven't been "pimped" yet. Do you like math? I hope you really really love it. At least conceptually. Every interview you will go on trying to get a job in tech is a kind of an extended math pimp session. They will propose a real world coding scenario and expect you to white board it with no hesitation. +/- syntax depending on how you've padded your resume (if you put perl/ruby/python/etc and the person interviewing you is an expert, they'll go "do it in python." syntax errors not allowed.) And then they will attack you with conceptual algorithms which are a lot of math. You can study for these, there are strategies (make one frame work, adapt to all scenarios, etc). But then they will hit you with something out of left field and prove you have to think on your feet. The famous river crossing question if you will (out of rotation now - too easy). You might have heard of the match algorithm. My friends were explaining the intricate details of a married match to me on a cocktail napkin. Just cuz they could. Bored yet?

I got out of having to code for a reason -- the clinical aspect of the research I was doing was MUCH MUCH more interesting. You don't have to touch patients in medicine once your intern year is done. I'm doing a research elective right now, looking at some imaging data and it's torture having to do even simple things like right scripts with regex for batch image processing. I'd much rather be looking at what the images are telling me than having to prepare them for someone else to. You can stick with medicine and still find ways to incorporate coding into it. You might really enjoy something like rads where you have no ideal if someone works at Taco Bell, Steve Jobs, or your own Mom, all you know is that they have a big bad CA on their CT. And you might be able to stick a needle in there to find out. If you can't find satisfaction in making that kind of call, you're probably too heartless for medicine and probably nothing in life is going to satisfy you. And you can do all the coding you want if you get a spot at a research heavy institution in something like rads.

My advice to you: Stick with the MD especially if it's a freebie on your parent's dime. If at the end of 4 years you decide you are desperate to code, you WILL be able to land a spot at a name brand CS program with an MD. It's 2 years. How knows, you might actually mature enough to enjoy medicine. By 26 you might hate coding and love medicine. I know I did.
 
Dear OP,

Sorry most people are personally attacking you--don't know why.

Drop out if need be. No point in paying tens of thousands of dollars to finish it up. Nothing wrong with dropping out to pursue something else you are interested in--just make sure it's an informed decision.

In other news, I am surprised so many Medical Students are encouraging a guy who has no interested in Medicine and no motivation to treat patients to become a doctor. Lets go encourage individuals who hate children and teaching to become teachers. 🙄
 
Why did you decide to switch to medicine?

More of really falling in love with this career rather than not enjoying my previous one. A long story, but suffice it to say it was a fun and good career. I am very early in my training, but so far, I'm enjoying it.

And to the original poster:

Also, as many people have pointed out, you can't hold up a fantasy ideal and expect that to be your reality. Saying you'll be the next startup millionaire after finding a group of geniuses burning the midnight oil for a few years is like telling someone to go into medicine so they can get that integrated plastics spot at Harvard and then they'll become the Surgeon General after a few years.

It doesn't work that way. You have to look at what the majority of people do with a coding background. Someone suggested this before in this thread, which I thought is an amazing idea. Go pick an open source app, like Firefox or maybe a linux app or a distribution - look at all the open bugs there are, and go fix a bunch of them for the next six months. See how you enjoy that. I did enjoy things like that, hence I was happy in my previous career. But it's a far cry from the abstract math algorithms that you learn in school, or the fantasy of the exciting collaborative environmental of a garage-startup.

This is anecdotal, so please take it with a grain of salt, but most of my friends from college who went out into the more exciting fields like game development are either miserable, or doing something else after a few years of burning out. Working insane to meet a deadline and constantly watching your job because if you fall behind or want better hours, there's always a freshly minted CS grad with fantasies of working on his favorite video game waiting to take your spot....

I was lucky I never had the fantasy and so chose a stable (and hence not very 'exciting') career. My process of developing a cool new algorithm when the need arose was the google search bar. Just check and see if anyone has done and made it available for people to use (hint: they have, and, hint #2: no, you're not smart enough to make it substantially better)....the rest of the time it was aligning text and making sure data integrity was maintained, and going through all the bugs, and testing to make sure criteria were met, merging various versions of code, etc, etc

I am not telling you what to do - I think software engineering is an awesome career. You have to make that decision. But I would just caution that based on reading your post, I don't think you have an accurate depiction of what the day to day life is like for most people in the field. I would first make sure of that - by the various criteria I and others suggested (esp. the go fix some bugs part), or if those are beyond your technical capabilities, go and add little features to those applications (usually those are easier than debugging since you don't have to understand previous code that may be written at a higher level), and keep working until some of those features are accepted (hint: first time they'll just laugh at your amateurish attempt and reject it outright...but be humble, keep learning, and keep trying).

I hope these help. As I said, I'd be happy to talk more about it. I worked for a while in the industry so I know a little bit about it (though as I've mentioned, not at a place like Google, designing their search algorithm....to do that, don't do software engineering...go get a PhD in math....).
 
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TL;DR.... just skimmed.


the OP sounds like a sociopath where mom and dad never said "no".
 
Every time I go on SDN, I'm shocked that this conversation is still going.

OP: it is literally never, ever too late to become a software engineer. My father ran a school that trained them, and most were in their forties. Moreover, nothing is stopping you from enjoying programming and learning it at your own pace, so just do that. I minored in CS undergrad, and I assure you that none of the higher classes really taught me anything practically worthwhile. If you want to be a programmer, be a programmer, but if you have the option to earn an MD degree at the same time, your value in the free-market economy is greatly boosted, and you may be able to apply your programming in much better, targeted ways. And, who knows? Maybe you'll wake up one day and want to train towards clinical medicine; you could still do that...

If you walk away from medical school, you will have (a) squandered great opportunity (albeit requiring hard work), (b) taken some other applicant's seat for your year, (c) lost your financial investment (not a sunk cost as it figures into total cost/profit calculations differently on either side of the decision), and MOST IMPORTANTLY (d) left to pursue a career which did not require your leaving.
 
You lied your way through your interviews to convince the panel that you were ready and able to complete medical school and then you cheated someone else out of a spot in medical school that had a very high probability of finishing that had a true passion to do so and continue on through residency.

If this BS is true, you should be ashamed of yourself and I don't want you as a peer of mine.

I'm getting the idea that this story is completely fake and, in that case, we should stop feeding the troll and ban him from the site.

:troll:

+1 👍

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I am willing to bet that the vast majority of people on SDN have no intention of coming anywhere near an underserved population unless they have absolutely no other choice.

Self-righteousness is an epidemic in medical school. Demonstrating your love of every patient and your dedication to the underserved is one of those unwritten requirements of being a medical student, which everyone follows regardless of whether they actually feel that way or not. Has anyone ever told you they went into med school to make money? No they all want to "help people". Well then how come no one wants to go into primary care? Why does no one want to work in the ghetto? Why is everyone gunning for the highest possible step score so they can get into derm at harvard?

You can pick apart my argument as much as you want, but you know that I'm right!
Maybe people want to help under-served populations because they used to be/are members of those communities.
 
Just in case the OP isn't actually a troll. I grew up in the valley. My mom and my brother were both software engineers. Were. They both got out for various reasons. All my close friends are in the software business and went to under grad in electrical engineering and computer science at one or the other of the two name brand schools in the bay area. I too went to one of those schools for undergrad in bioengineering. Medicine was not on my radar till well after undergrad. I had to do a lot of matlab, signal processing, mathematical modeling, EE. Not dissimilar to my EECS friends. I interned at a tech companies during the dotcom era and paid for undergrad that way because the work was easy and pay astronomical ($25/hr back then) writing scripts and db stuff. Those were the days when every engilsh major thought they could turn vbscript into a career. I also did research at a big university after undergrad which involved coding/signal processing, but also had patient studies (without real patient contact), because I was seriously considering a phd.

My friends in tech after 10 years make very good money now (150-200k). But they also are at the creme de la crop. I met up with them for dinner last week to celebrate my matching. The subject of work hours came up. Most of them work 6 10s. Not hours you want to work unless you have to. They all loved to code in undergrad, when it was all conceptual. Now, most of them do not really enjoy mundane coding at this point and have either tried to move into management (for stability) or do more conceptual architect type work and have junior programers below them. One of them is now @ a 3 person start up working 100 hours. He says he'll give it a year and if he it doesn't do well, he'll get a McCoding Job (how he phrased it). This is a fiercely competitive business. Experience counts, but at the end of the day, fresh blood is cheaper and probably more current than you. A lot of people find themselves jobless in their 40s because their skillset isn't fresh or they're too experienced hence too costly and the culture here in the valley favors the youth. (Companies pride themselves on their average employee age, the closer to 25, the better) This is the reason my brother went to law school. Even though he was a lead engineer and probably could have sustained himself till 50, the kind of security and salary you have in medicine or IP law is not possible coding.

Out of the 50 or so start ups my friends have been through,only 2 people who hit it big. One of them in the hundred million range. So it happens, but he was a prodigy, skipping grades, perfect SAT scores, MIT phd etc. But the vast majority end up taking unsatisfying jobs working long hours. App coders don't make money. That's why there are 700,000 apps you never heard of. Your likelihood of writing the next app that nets money is slim to none. Oh, and none of my friends who have their own teams would hire you without a CS degree from a school with name rec, without some serious experience and references.

You are an MS2, you probably haven't been "pimped" yet. Do you like math? I hope you really really love it. At least conceptually. Every interview you will go on trying to get a job in tech is a kind of an extended math pimp session. They will propose a real world coding scenario and expect you to white board it with no hesitation. +/- syntax depending on how you've padded your resume (if you put perl/ruby/python/etc and the person interviewing you is an expert, they'll go "do it in python." syntax errors not allowed.) And then they will attack you with conceptual algorithms which are a lot of math. You can study for these, there are strategies (make one frame work, adapt to all scenarios, etc). But then they will hit you with something out of left field and prove you have to think on your feet. The famous river crossing question if you will (out of rotation now - too easy). You might have heard of the match algorithm. My friends were explaining the intricate details of a married match to me on a cocktail napkin. Just cuz they could. Bored yet?

I got out of having to code for a reason -- the clinical aspect of the research I was doing was MUCH MUCH more interesting. You don't have to touch patients in medicine once your intern year is done. I'm doing a research elective right now, looking at some imaging data and it's torture having to do even simple things like right scripts with regex for batch image processing. I'd much rather be looking at what the images are telling me than having to prepare them for someone else to. You can stick with medicine and still find ways to incorporate coding into it. You might really enjoy something like rads where you have no ideal if someone works at Taco Bell, Steve Jobs, or your own Mom, all you know is that they have a big bad CA on their CT. And you might be able to stick a needle in there to find out. If you can't find satisfaction in making that kind of call, you're probably too heartless for medicine and probably nothing in life is going to satisfy you. And you can do all the coding you want if you get a spot at a research heavy institution in something like rads.

My advice to you: Stick with the MD especially if it's a freebie on your parent's dime. If at the end of 4 years you decide you are desperate to code, you WILL be able to land a spot at a name brand CS program with an MD. It's 2 years. How knows, you might actually mature enough to enjoy medicine. By 26 you might hate coding and love medicine. I know I did.

Your description is based on your own experience, so I can't really argue with that. However, my husband's experience in IT has been very different. He loves it, the work is often easy. Yes there are some very stressful positions and you can generally be replaced easily. Maybe it's part of working in the valley but here on the East Coast you make $50k starting with no experience and, as I said, the work is usually not hard.

You also sit all day which some people would hate. You could also think of it positively because you will have energy left once you go home. Anyway, if you are looking to make $200k in IT then, yeah, that's extremely difficult and going to involve a lot of luck and insane hours. If you're fine with a salary between 60-80 k and a nice job with benefits, IT is burgeoning and there is no stopping to it. Some say medicine has seen her best days.

One thing though, be prepared to never stop learning. I'd say IT is changing faster than medicine and if you don't want to lose your job to a 19 year old college grad, keep evolving. ;-)
 
I say go for it and don't look back. Commit to studying code solidly for four years and then you're good. No worries about sleep loss, harming a patient, malpractice insurance, living to work. Programmers usually start later, work normal hours, and are around better personalities. But I'm not a coder so take this with a grain of salt. They get paid okay too. I really wanted to go to medical school once, but realized what the profession actually entailed. To me, sleep loss is huge. PM me if you'd like to chat on the phone.
 
I say go for it and don't look back. Commit to studying code solidly for four years and then you're good. No worries about sleep loss, harming a patient, malpractice insurance, living to work. Programmers usually start later, work normal hours, and are around better personalities. But I'm not a coder so take this with a grain of salt. They get paid okay too. I really wanted to go to medical school once, but realized what the profession actually entailed. To me, sleep loss is huge. PM me if you'd like to chat on the phone.

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