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I'm saying this to try to be helpful, not snarky. Your original question was whether or not this was a "terrible mistake." Everyone here is saying it is (you could say that it's a biased viewpoint since we're all on a medical website; perhaps you should ask over on a CS forum a similar question) and you've tried to argue us out of what we're saying. Therefore, it seems to me that you were waiting for a piece of advice to change your mind that you haven't gotten. For that reason, it seems like you have pretty conclusively decided that you do not want to do medicine. Am I wrong? Because if you really feel that way and don't see how you could ever like it, then perhaps you should stop before you go even more in the hole financially (even from your parents).

Again, I'm not trying to sound mean here. I'm saying it sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind already.

 

[EMquest3]

Ultimately I am a problem solver. Which is why I liked coding. There were always new things to figure out.

M1/M2 year wasn't stimulating to me. It was memorizing with next to ZERO problem solving. Frankly it was boring and mindless work (for the most part).

M3 year and clinical medicine brings lots of problem solving. No patient is the same. It can be interesting to (1) figure out what is wrong with them (2) figure out the evidence supporting your diagnostic/treatment plans and then ultimately implement those things.


It's more reward for me to improve one's life than write some code for a fortune 500 company to improve their bottom line. This is why I decided I want to stick with medicine as a career and do coding as a hobby.

I agree with above, and then when you add in procedures it gets even better.

 

[vjayk]

It's more reward for me to improve one's life than write some code for a fortune 500 company to improve their bottom line. This is why I decided I want to stick with medicine as a career and do coding as a hobby.

The funny thing is it's kind of the reverse for me. I'd be much more comfortable knowing that if i screwed up, the worst that would happen is a company makes a little bit less money and I lose my job, versus someone's health being affected, or dying, in the worst case scenario.

 

[vjayk]

I'm saying this to try to be helpful, not snarky. Your original question was whether or not this was a "terrible mistake." Everyone here is saying it is (you could say that it's a biased viewpoint since we're all on a medical website; perhaps you should ask over on a CS forum a similar question) and you've tried to argue us out of what we're saying. Therefore, it seems to me that you were waiting for a piece of advice to change your mind that you haven't gotten. For that reason, it seems like you have pretty conclusively decided that you do not want to do medicine. Am I wrong? Because if you really feel that way and don't see how you could ever like it, then perhaps you should stop before you go even more in the hole financially (even from your parents).

Again, I'm not trying to sound mean here. I'm saying it sounds like you've pretty much made up your mind already.

You're very right. I've actually been yo-yoing between the two sides in my head for a while now. One day I'm convinced that I can't do medicine and the next day I read something or I talk to someone or something happens and I flip and decide that I must continue in medicine. It's really agonizing. Right now I'm feeling negative about medicine. I guess I was just hoping that you guys could comment the arguments I've been having in my head and see if they had any validity -- and you have and I am really appreciative of everyone that has commented in this thread.

I have asked a similar question on a CS forum and the responses were mixed. Some people urged me to stay in med school. Many told me I could learn to code on my own, but I couldn't become an M.D. on my own. Others seemed to really despise the medical profession and told me to run away as fast as I can. Most of them were in the middle. Interestingly many of them were quite convinced that the majority of what doctors do could be replaced by a well-made algorithm. What scared me a bit was that one person said MDs were looked down upon in the startup world because the way we are trained hinders our ability to work and think in the way startups want us to.

 

[link2swim06]

The funny thing is it's kind of the reverse for me. I'd be much more comfortable knowing that if i screwed up, the worst that would happen is a company makes a little bit less money and I lose my job, versus someone's health being affected, or dying, in the worst case scenario.

True but let's turn it around. Would you find it more rewarding to actually 'save' someone life or make a company money.


Also is programming still going to be 'fun' when you have a boss and can't make whatever you want? I can think of a lot of things which were 'fun' until they were required my job or school.

Regardless M1/M2 is a far cry from clinical medicine. At least complete M3 before you make any radical decisions.

 

[vjayk]

True but let's turn it around. Would you find it more rewarding to actually 'save' someone life or make a company money.


Also is programming still going to be 'fun' when you have a boss and can't make whatever you want? I can think of a lot of things which were 'fun' until they were required my job or school.

Regardless M1/M2 is a far cry from clinical medicine. At least complete M3 before you make any radical decisions.

That's very true. It would be much more satisfying to save a life than make some company a bit more money (unless that company happens to be mine!). But saving some random stranger's life is definitely not as rewarding, in my opinion, as successfully building a really cool app, or making a feature that gets used by a billion people on facebook.. and gets me noticed in the industry. I feel like I would be much happier if I had the chance to work on a piece of software used all over the world every day, than if I saved the lives of any number of random people I don't even know.

I could say- Hey, I made that feature in Windows! I could do a google search and see people talking about my feature or my app and feel amazing. But I don't know, it's all very confusing. If I saved the life of someone important, then I guess it would be just as rewarding as my app taking off. But spending my days and nights saving the lives of average joes? Not that rewarding, I'm sorry.

I would not like to work under a boss, If I was to go that route, my goal would be to try to start my own company. The same would be true for medicine, I'd want to do private practice. But in order to get there in either profession I would have to put up with bosses (or residents or attendings), so I'm prepared for that.

 

[JP2740]

But saving some random stranger's life is definitely not as rewarding, in my opinion, as successfully building a really cool app,

😕

yea maybe leave medicine

 

[vjayk]

😕

yea maybe leave medicine

i'm sorry my statement is quite puzzling but I often just feel like I couldn't care less about some random person's health concerns. I don't see how saving the life of some random person is really supposed to be rewarding. versus being in the middle of the tech industry and having a chance to play a role, even as small as it is, in shaping technology for the future, and being around the kind of really smart and really motivated peopel that my friends in the industry are, being at the forefront of tech: that is just so amazing. not to mention having the potential at any time to build an amazing app that can take off, like a dropbox or an instagram.. well... i sometimes feel like i would trade everything I have just to have a shot at that life, just to be in the same building as a genius like Larry Page or Sergey Brin, that would be a dream come true.

 

[EMquest3]

i'm sorry my statement is quite puzzling but I often just feel like I couldn't care less about some random person's health concerns. I don't see how saving the life of a janitor at Taco Bell or a bus driver is really supposed to be rewarding. versus being in the middle of the tech industry and having a chance to play a role, even as small as it is, in shaping technology for the future, and being around the kind of really smart and really motivated peopel that my friends in the industry are... that is just so amazing.

Wow, reading this makes me think this whole thread is just an attempt at trolling. If you aren't a troll the fact that you picks those two jobs as example of lives that aren't rewarding to save says a lot. I am now thinking back to where you said your parents are paying for school and wondering how much influence growing up with money may have had on your view of things.

Edit: Suddenly this thread reads a lot like the thoughts of a rich kid who gets bored easily and wants to spend time career jumping. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but i just can't get over your use of a taco bell employee or bus driver as an example of a person you wouldn't even find rewarding to save.

 

[vjayk]

Wow, reading this makes me think this whole thread is just an attempt at trolling. If you aren't a troll the fact that you picks those two jobs as example of lives that aren't rewarding to save says a lot. I am now thinking back to where you said your parents are paying for school and wondering how much influence growing up with money may have had on your view of things.

I'm not a troll, I'm just trying to be honest about how I feel, because the internet is the only place I can do that. I actually edited that post subsequently and took that part out because I knew people would call me a troll, even though I was just being honest. Just because someone doesn't share the same views and see the world the same way as you doesn't make that person a troll, you know. :-/

 

[EMquest3]

I'm not a troll, I'm just trying to be honest about how I feel, because the internet is the only place I can do that. I actually edited that post subsequently and took that part out because I knew people would call me a troll, even though I was just being honest. Just because someone doesn't share the same views and see the world the same way as you doesn't make that person a troll, you know. :-/

You appear to be devaluing someone's life based on their job. That "world view" is absolutely deserving of condemnation.

 

[vjayk]

Edit: Suddenly this thread reads a lot like the thoughts of a rich kid who gets bored easily and wants to spend time career jumping. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but i just can't get over your use of a taco bell employee or bus driver as an example of a person you wouldn't even find rewarding to save.

Sigh, I wish I had edited that out faster so you wouldn't have seen it. Can we just ignore that part, since there is no way you are going to understand where I am coming from with that.

 

[vjayk]

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[EMquest3]

Sigh, I wish I had edited that out faster so you wouldn't have seen it. Can we just ignore that part, since there is no way you are going to understand where I am coming from with that.

I'm sorry, that's just a Pandora's box I can't close. I have close family members who work in these areas. I grew up with a single mom who did not have money. I worked fast food and mall jobs until I was 20. I'll stop posting now because I just can't be unbiased anymore. Good luck, I hope you do some growing up in the next few years.

 

[FIREitUP]

reading this thread made me realize that the OP probably doesn't care about patients because he's kind of an ass. good luck in life, bro.

 

[vjayk]

reading this thread made me realize that the OP probably doesn't care about patients because he's kind of an ass. good luck in life, bro.

How am I an ass? Calling someone you don't know an ass kind of makes you an ass bro.

 

[vjayk]

I'm sorry, that's just a Pandora's box I can't close. I have close family members who work in these areas. I grew up with a single mom who did not have money. I worked fast food and mall jobs until I was 20. I'll stop posting now because I just can't be unbiased anymore. Good luck, I hope you do some growing up in the next few years.

OK, no problem. Sorry I offended you.

 

[EMquest3]

OK, no problem. Sorry I offended you, and I'm sorry you had a bad childhood.

However, I do think it's childish of you to tell me to grow up simply because I don't share your views, though.

Well, I guess I do need to post again after all. I never said my childhood was bad. I actually was a very happy kid. I was just trying to point out that I grew up as one of those people you don't think have as much value in society as some other elite group. It's not childish to tell someone with immature world views to grow up. I agree many world views are open for opinion, but the value of a life based on what you think they will accomplish in life is not one of those things.

Arg, I'm going to convince myself you are a troll so I can go to sleep not wondering how someone like you got past an adcom and might actually have clinical responsibilities in 2ish years.

 

[vjayk]

Well, I guess I do need to post again after all. I never said my childhood was bad. I actually was a very happy kid. I was just trying to point out that I grew up as one of those people you don't think have as much value in society as some other elite group. It's not childish to tell someone with immature world views to grow up. I agree many world views are open for opinion, but the value of a life based on what you think they will accomplish in life is not one of those things.

Arg, I'm going to convince myself you are a troll so I can go to sleep not wondering how someone like you got past an adcom and might actually have clinical responsibilities in 2ish years.

I think you are kidding yourself if you truly believe that every life has equal value in society. I'm sorry, but it's just not true. That's not how our society works or has ever worked or will ever work, because it's just not reality. Just start looking around you. Is everyone treated the same? Does everyone have the same opportunities? If you died today, would you get as much press and worldwide attention as Steve Jobs did? Then tell yourself that society values everyone equally. I think your worldview is the immature one. Mine is realistic and mature. You are living in the fairytale world where every child is special and a princess.

 

[FIREitUP]

How am I an ass? Calling someone you don't know an ass kind of makes you an ass bro.

saying that you have a value system on people's lives based on their occupation would prompt most people to label you an ass. i'm just one of those people who felt like saying it.

 

[vjayk]

saying that you have a value system on people's lives based on their occupation would prompt most people to label you an ass. i'm just one of those people who felt like saying it.

Maybe that's true, but it makes those people holier-than-thou, which wouldn't be much better. I know most of them feel the same way I do inside, I'm just the one that has the balls to say it (kind of, I deleted what I said about 30 seconds from writing it 🙂 )

 

[MetalGearFox]

That's very true. It would be much more satisfying to save a life than make some company a bit more money (unless that company happens to be mine!). But saving some random stranger's life is definitely not as rewarding, in my opinion, as successfully building a really cool app, or making a feature that gets used by a billion people on facebook.. and gets me noticed in the industry. I feel like I would be much happier if I had the chance to work on a piece of software used all over the world every day, than if I saved the lives of any number of random people I don't even know.

I could say- Hey, I made that feature in Windows! I could do a google search and see people talking about my feature or my app and feel amazing. But I don't know, it's all very confusing. If I saved the life of someone important, then I guess it would be just as rewarding as my app taking off. But spending my days and nights saving the lives of average joes? Not that rewarding, I'm sorry.

I would not like to work under a boss, If I was to go that route, my goal would be to try to start my own company. The same would be true for medicine, I'd want to do private practice. But in order to get there in either profession I would have to put up with bosses (or residents or attendings), so I'm prepared for that.

......wow.

Another career you should consider is acting because you must have pulled off an Oscar-worthy performance in your interviews to mask such a deeply ingrained disregard for others you view as "average." Maybe you were right after all and belong somewhere else other than medicine. Good luck with whatever you end up doing.

...although I still suspect a troll

 

[vjayk]

......wow.

Another career you should consider is acting because you must have pulled off an Oscar-worthy performance in your interviews to mask such a deeply ingrained disregard for others you view as "average." Maybe you were right after all and belong somewhere else other than medicine. Good luck with whatever you end up doing.

...although I still suspect a troll

Come on, people, please stop it with the fake outrage already. The program directors aren't reading this. If you don't like my views, that's fine, but there's no need to start a pitchfork mob up against me. I don't even want to talk about it anymore. If you have any other insight on the interface between CS and medicine, I'd like to hear that. That would be a much more valuable discussion.

 

[crock1255]

I'm sorry. I was with you for a lot of it, but his is asinine. Just because someone won't "accomplish" much, or be more than a fast food clerk doesn't make their value any less on any level outside monetary gain. That person is still the father, son, uncle, friend, or mother,daughter, aunt of actual people. To them that life means a whole lot. Cliche, but true. We can see it by the medical costs (sorry, couldn't resist a swipe at the cost of medicine 😉).

Also, to be realistic, your chance of ending up like steve jobs is literally one in billions. That's not to say you shouldn't try. I think everyone should shoot for that, but did you read his book? He was kind of a miserable ass-hat. Brilliant, but an ass-hat. Can't take money to the grave. If programming makes you happy, do it. Don't look back. Medicine is hard enough as it is. It's so much worse if you're not into it.

But a few words from the startup world: startups are built around teams, so you're gonna have to learn some empathy. And most importantly, if a funder can tell that you are in this for the money, it's rare that they'll fund you. The vast, vast majority of startups fail. When a funder invests he/she invests for the people/team, not your idea. You're idea has been tried before. It just hasn't been executed correctly. A funder is already rich, they don't really need you making them wealthier.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but something to think about.

I think you are kidding yourself if you truly believe that every life has equal value in society. I'm sorry, but it's just not true. That's not how our society works or has ever worked or will ever work, because it's just not reality. Just start looking around you. Is everyone treated the same? Does everyone have the same opportunities? If you died today, would you get as much press and worldwide attention as Steve Jobs did? Then tell yourself that society values everyone equally. I think your worldview is the immature one. Mine is realistic and mature. You are living in the fairytale world where every child is special and a princess.

 

[vjayk]

But a few words from the startup world: startups are built around teams, so you're gonna have to learn some empathy. And most importantly, if a funder can tell that you are in this for the money, it's rare that they'll fund you. The vast, vast majority of startups fail. When a funder invests he/she invests for the people/team, not your idea. You're idea has been tried before. It just hasn't been executed correctly. A funder is already rich, they don't really need you making them wealthier.

Perhaps a bit off topic, but something to think about.

That's interesting. I was under the impression that most startups were precisely about making money. What else would you develop a product to sell to consumers for? I don't think most startups are charity organizations or non-profits looking to find ways to help people. I'd think the funder is most interested in seeing how well the team can execute the idea not neccessarily what each member's motivation is. I never pictured businessmen as the type of person to care about empathy more than money. And what would a funder want from a startup but money? Isn't the purpose of investing money to get more money in return?

 

[vjayk]

1) You're e getting medical school and living expenses bankrolled by mommy and daddy.

2) You think because you like an 'online programming course' that you should drop out of medical school after two years and 100 grand.

3) You think your vocation defines your worth.

yeah man, you're SO MATURE.

you sound jealous, bro.

P.S. I'm not responding to any more posts on this tangent.

 

[crock1255]

I don't feel like going into this, but read some books/articles on it - Lean Startup, YCombinator. Most startups...er...startup to solve a problem, not to make money. Even in a successful startup (not talking about IPO), you most likely could have made more money being employed (more $, less control). A funder wants to make sure your company CAN be profitable, but it's not your driver. Again, because more than likely, your product will chnage, or you will not succeed. Also, when you're working 100+ hours because of a product deadline or some bug in the code, or your client is pissed off, the fleeting promise of a check is a poor motivator.
Most startup founders also don't end up running companies. They usually make bad CEOs.

I'm not sure what school/state you're in, but talk to some local startups, or if there's an incubator/accelerator in the area. Ask them why they got started, how they got funding, if they enjoy Ramen 🙂 hah, but seriously on the first 2. If you're gonna make the switch, talk to the people who you'd like to emulate.

That's interesting. I was under the impression that most startups were precisely about making money. What else would you develop a product to sell to consumers for? I don't think most startups are charity organizations or non-profits looking to find ways to help people. I'd think the funder is most interested in seeing how well the team can execute the idea not neccessarily what each member's motivation is.

 

[FIREitUP]

Maybe that's true, but it makes those people holier-than-thou, which wouldn't be much better. I know most of them feel the same way I do inside, I'm just the one that has the balls to say it (kind of, I deleted what I said about 30 seconds from writing it 🙂 )

i'm just calling a spade a spade. you sir, are probably one of the biggest spades out there.

 

[vjayk]

I don't feel like going into this, but read some books/articles on it - Lean Startup, YCombinator. Most startups...er...startup to solve a problem, not to make money. Even in a successful startup (not talking about IPO), you most likely could have made more money being employed (more $, less control). A funder wants to make sure your company CAN be profitable, but it's not your driver. Again, because more than likely, your product will chnage, or you will not succeed. Also, when you're working 100+ hours because of a product deadline or some bug in the code, or your client is pissed off, the fleeting promise of a check is a poor motivator.
Most startup founders also don't end up running companies. They usually make bad CEOs.

Very interesting, I'll definitely read those sources. Thanks for the info.

 

[vjayk]

i'm just calling a spade a spade. you sir, are probably one of the biggest spades out there.

Well I'm happy with who I am, so if that makes me a spade, then I'll be a spade. I learned a long time ago not to care what other people have to say about me.

 

[notbobtrustme]

****, this thread just went from an interesting scenario to full ****** in like 10 posts.

epic level trolling by vjayk

 

[vjayk]

****, this thread just went from an interesting scenario to full ****** in like 10 posts.

epic level trolling by vjayk

I barely even said anything. And what I did say I deleted 30 seconds later. Which was a fact of life that you are all too politically correct to accept, even though you know it's true, so you started at me with your fake outrage. It seems like some people here are just looking for a reason to get riled up.

Funny how quickly people like you label someone who doesn't agree with you as a 'troll', because there's no way that you don't have the right answer to everything. You guys did the majority of the "trolling" by making a big deal out of an insignificant part of my post.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I don't see how saving the life of a janitor at Taco Bell or a bus driver is really supposed to be rewarding

Annnnd I'm out

 

[vjayk]

Annnnd I'm out

I deleted that from my post and specifically asked people to not bring it back up, because posting it was a lapse in my judgment. And here it is again. You went as far to quote it from someone else's quote of my original post.

Seriously, you guys just seem to be looking for trouble. You're calling me the troll?

This is why no one's ever honest with anyone anymore. Because the minute you say something that might be the slightest bit controversial, people descend on you as if you're some sort of evil dictator.

Besides, I don't buy your outrage anyway. I've read the other things on this site, I know how people here think about a lot of things. You're not all Mother Teresas, lol.

 

[JP2740]

i'm sorry my statement is quite puzzling but I often just feel like I couldn't care less about some random person's health concerns. I don't see how saving the life of some random person is really supposed to be rewarding. versus being in the middle of the tech industry and having a chance to play a role, even as small as it is, in shaping technology for the future, and being around the kind of really smart and really motivated peopel that my friends in the industry are, being at the forefront of tech: that is just so amazing. not to mention having the potential at any time to build an amazing app that can take off, like a dropbox or an instagram.. well... i sometimes feel like i would trade everything I have just to have a shot at that life, just to be in the same building as a genius like Larry Page or Sergey Brin, that would be a dream come true.

Troll. Has to be.

If you're not trolling, then just quit medicine. What's stopping you? Stop defending your case to us.

 

[vjayk]

Troll. Has to be.

If you're not trolling, then just quit medicine. What's stopping you? Stop defending your case to us.

I'm not a troll. I was being honest, which apparently isn't allowed here. I guess it's better to flat out lie than to possibly offend. I'm sorry but not everyone shares your desire to save everyone's life at any cost. Some of us just care about other things more. I'm sure the majority of people on this forum wouldn't even be here if they could find better money elsewhere.

 

[Quaxton]

1) You're e getting medical school and living expenses bankrolled by mommy and daddy.

2) You think because you like an 'online programming course' that you should drop out of medical school after two years and 100 grand.

3) You think your vocation defines your worth.

yeah man, you're SO MATURE.

👍

****, this thread just went from an interesting scenario to full ****** in like 10 posts.

epic level trolling by vjayk

I too, subscribed to this thread because it was interesting and informative...at least in the beginning. I am also interested in computer science, mathematics, and medicine. Anyway, hope you regain your posture...want to see more informative responses from other people.

 

[vjayk]

👍





I too, subscribed to this thread because it was interesting and informative...at least in the beginning. I am also interested in computer science, mathematics, and medicine. Anyway, hope you regain your posture...want to see more informative responses from other people.

I'd like to get the discussion back on track. I have no idea why it was thrown off track by people who decided to get all self-righteous on me for being honest about something that I'm sure many of them feel the exact same way about inside.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I'm not a troll. I was being honest, which apparently isn't allowed here. I guess it's better to flat out lie than to possibly offend. I'm sorry but not everyone shares your desire to save everyone's life at any cost. Some of us just care about other things more. I'm sure the majority of people on this forum wouldn't even be here if they could find better money elsewhere.

You only make this extreme statement because you lack the maturity to understand why other people here are reacting the way they are, despite knowing how people "think" about a lot of things.


That being said you invested a whole lot of time and effort at both getting into medical school and lasting so far. Why not just graduate, find a specialty you can tolerate and do reasonably well in and use that as a way to finance your future hobby/career in computer science as well as the debt burden you owe your parents? Having the MD credentials after your name can only be a plus.

 

[vjayk]

You only make this extreme statement because you lack the maturity to understand why other people here are reacting the way they are, despite knowing how people "think" about a lot of things.

I would love to see how many of those people reacting would care so much about the dude scrubbing the toilets at Taco Bell if they weren't going to be paid a six figure salary to care. I can list off so many doctors who do everything in their power to avoid uninsured patients or patients whose insurances don't pay well, while at the same time going out of the way for their richer patients. I guess that's how they express their feelings on the equal value of all human life. Don't give me this fake outrage. I can see right through that.

I have the maturity to be honest about my true feelings and intentions- they don't.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I would love to see how many of those people reacting would care so much about the dude scrubbing the toilets at Taco Bell if they weren't going to be paid a six figure salary to care. I can list off so many doctors who do everything in their power to avoid uninsured patients or patients whose insurances don't pay well, while at the same time going out of the way for their richer patients. I guess that's how they express their feelings on the equal value of all human life. Don't give me this fake outrage. I can see right through that.

I have the maturity to be honest about my true feelings and intentions- they don't.

The edit you just made on this post... I saw it. Really? Just to change those few words?

So much for getting the discussion back on track.

 

[vjayk]

The edit you just made on this post... I saw it. Really? Just to change those few words?

So much for getting the discussion back on track.

Whatever, I've gotten what I needed from this discussion anyway. Thank you to the people who actually gave useful advice. To the rest- look inside yourself and fix your own faults before you start judging others'.

 

[vjayk]

By the way, just for the information of some posters above, a mature reaction to someone with a point of view you disagree with is : "I disagree with you and this is why "

NOT

"You're an ass" or "You're immature" or "You're a troll"

See the difference? One is an intelligent response that explains your point of view and how it differs, the other is a set of meaningless insults, much more like ones given by a child.

 

[FIREitUP]

TIL the internet is serious business

 

[GalenAgas]

Yes, my parents are covering my med school tuition and costs, which I am expected to repay in the future, so I won't have to deal with loans.

What happens to you financially if you quit med school? If you will be well off financially then leave medicine. It is just too much work if you're also uninterested. Even for people who are interested many end up unhappy and regret choosing medicine as a career. There is no sense in punishing yourself or your future patients with your general unhappiness.

 

[Drewmz]

I deleted that from my post and specifically asked people to not bring it back up, because posting it was a lapse in my judgment. And here it is again. You went as far to quote it from someone else's quote of my original post.

Seriously, you guys just seem to be looking for trouble. You're calling me the troll?

This is why no one's ever honest with anyone anymore. Because the minute you say something that might be the slightest bit controversial, people descend on you as if you're some sort of evil dictator.

Besides, I don't buy your outrage anyway. I've read the other things on this site, I know how people here think about a lot of things. You're not all Mother Teresas, lol.

Honestly, you aren't looking for input from anyone on this forum. You want someone to give you a "pass" to do what you really feel you should be doing. The post that you had made, and are now asking everyone subsequently to "forget" is not just one lapse of judgment. This resembles not that this is a one-time thing, it's something that you would say again, but since you realized you were not in the right crowd for it; obviously you took it back.

It seems that if you wouldn't feel that it's rewarding saving ANYONE's life is astonishing to me. Honestly, there are very, very few people that I would not be completely compelled and felt rewarded afterwards for doing something even as trivial as CPR on them! The OP has made leaps and bounds to which I am unable to understand, and am just amazed that someone who was almost half-way through medical school would feel that way. Drop out now and go code. I just wish you would have left a spot for someone else who would have been more deserving.

 

[vjayk]

What happens to you financially if you quit med school? If you will be well off financially then leave medicine. It is just too much work if you're also uninterested. Even for people who are interested many end up unhappy and regret choosing medicine as a career. There is no sense in punishing yourself or your future patients with your general unhappiness.

Financially speaking, I don't think anything will happen, other than my parents being out 100k, which they won't ask me to pay back until I get a good paying job, and even then I doubt they will. I'm pretty sure it's just an idle threat to stop me from goofing around and wasting their money, which i have admittedly done in the past, lol. It just sucks to have done all this work to get nothing out of it, that's the only thing holding me back. But I see your point, and it makes plenty of sense.

 

[vjayk]

Honestly, you aren't looking for input from anyone on this forum. You want someone to give you a "pass" to do what you really feel you should be doing. The post that you had made, and are now asking everyone subsequently to "forget" is not just one lapse of judgment. This resembles not that this is a one-time thing, it's something that you would say again, but since you realized you were not in the right crowd for it; obviously you took it back.

It seems that if you wouldn't feel that it's rewarding saving ANYONE's life is astonishing to me. Honestly, there are very, very few people that I would not be completely compelled and felt rewarded afterwards for doing something even as trivial as CPR on them! The OP has made leaps and bounds to which I am unable to understand, and am just amazed that someone who was almost half-way through medical school would feel that way. Drop out now and go code. I just wish you would have left a spot for someone else who would have been more deserving.

I don't know what to tell you man, I just don't feel as compelled to save people's lives as much as everyone else on here does. You're right, I'm in the wrong crowd. Which is why dropping out now or right after finishing my degree would be a good idea, like you said.

By the way, there are plenty of crowds I've been in where the kind of comment I made is expected, and the opposite would be met with disgust... so...

 

[Drewmz]

I don't know what to tell you man, I just don't feel as compelled to save people's lives as much as everyone else on here does. You're right, I'm in the wrong crowd. Which is why dropping out now or right after finishing my degree would be a good idea, like you said.

By the way, there are plenty of crowds I've been in where the kind of comment I made is expected, and the opposite would be met with disgust... so...

I'm going to say the comment I made may have been a bit too harsh. I understand that is the case with a lot of different places (in reference to your comment about there being crowds that would be disgusted with someone who doesn't talk in such a way), but in my experience it just ends up being that they are "uneducated." With due time they will hopefully learn the error of their ways and treat others, even those they now consider to be lowly with as much respect (hopefully more) as they would treat their parents.

 

[ToldYouSo]

I'm going to say the comment I made may have been a bit too harsh. I understand that is the case with a lot of different places (in reference to your comment about there being crowds that would be disgusted with someone who doesn't talk in such a way), but in my experience it just ends up being that they are "uneducated." With due time they will hopefully learn the error of their ways and treat others, even those they now consider to be lowly with as much respect (hopefully more) as they would treat their parents.

Holy political correctness. At least stick to your guns when you say something (that wasn't offensive) rather than qualify your statement by saying that it was too harsh because of an imaginary perception of the OP not being edumacated.

That's just a long winded way of saying that the OP is an entitled, spoiled, immature and needs to grow up.